New mount info

[Naglfar]

50% speed mount as reward for an easy quest ?

Please keep speedy mounts specials, we're already running extremely fast without running boost, and the horses are going as fast as a car... There's no need to increase speed again, you should put a permabuff on wargs, like Nightmare's are doing. Or a king of extra attack, a +10 dps, something more original than speed buff...

Keep in mind Wargs are heroic quest reward, so everybody will have one if the speed > all other mounts. It should be a viable choice, not the ONLY choice...

I'd like to see something like wargs = battle mounts, and horses = travel mounts.

[Amphibia]

Grimwell wrote:

Keeping it short and simple. I did raise the run speed questions with the Dev team and was informed that on Tuesday the Test server will be patched and Wargs will  be doing 50%. Keep in mind that it's going to the Test Server that way on Tuesday, and the final speed that makes it to the live servers could be higher or lower... but they do listen. You must now say something nice about them.

Yay! 50%.... if that goes through I'm definatly getting one And thanks for replying to us... much appreciated

[SpritRaja]

My suggestion. Leave it as 40% mount speed but add a 15% incombat speed as well. Also remove the slow backup speed. That way we will have a mount that is usable in combat.

[Bre]

Grim said..You must now say something nice about them.

 Ok, here goes.  They are snappy dressers and in no way smell bad. And thank you kindly for upping the runspeed. It is appreciated. Now, can we talk about the whistle names and their inaccurate color descriptions?

Thanks, Brega - 70 Ranger, Test Server

[Gungo]

Grimwell wrote:

Keeping it short and simple. I did raise the run speed questions with the Dev team and was informed that on Tuesday the Test server will be patched and Wargs will  be doing 50%. Keep in mind that it's going to the Test Server that way on Tuesday, and the final speed that makes it to the live servers could be higher or lower... but they do listen. You must now say something nice about them.

I can not express how severly disappointed in the developers for not having an idea of what is in thier own game. I know you are new grimwell but i am going to list why this is VERY dumb idea.

Purchasable mounts in eq2- Steppes Pony, Parade Steppes Pony, Halasian Draft Horse, and Parade Halasian Draft Horse- 24% run speed Regular Price: 2 platinum, 45 gold, 76 silver Guild Discount: 52,500 status, 1 platinum, 38 gold, 42 silver (Guild Level: 15)

Karana Planes Rider, Parade Karana Plainsrider, Misty Mustang, Parade Misty Mustang- 32% run speed Regular Price: 3 platinum, 68 gold, 64 silver Guild Discount: 80,000 status, 2 platinum, 7 gold, 36 silver (Guild Level: 20)

Elder Charger, Parade Elder Charger, Rujarkian Hillsrunner, Parade Rujarkian Hillsrunner-40% Regular Price: 9 platinum, 83 gold, 4 silver Guild Discount: 112,500 status, 5 platinum, 52 gold, 96 silver (Guild Level: 25)

Spirit Steed,Majdul Enchanted scroll- 48% Runspeed Price: 337500 status, 10 platinum, 80 gold (Guild Level 30)   Court Faction Horses: The following horses now require faction and quests completed to even PURCHASE. The following horses require ally (40,000+ faction) with ONE of the courts in Maj'Dul. Horses with custom saddle colors are only available from the court you have ally faction with. Rujarkiak Destrier, Dervish Destrier- 40% runspeed and 4.7 to slash, crush, peirce, and focus Regular Price: 14platinum Guild Discount: 337500 status, 10 platinum, 80g (Guild Level: 35) Nightmare, Mistrunner- 48% Runspeed and 300 to all magic resists Price: 400,000 status, 19 platinum, 20 gold, 1 copper (Guild Level 40)

War Barded Calvary Horse- 50% runspeed and 7 to crush, slash, peirce ranged skill Price: 448,875 status, 14 platinum, 36 gold, 40 silver  (Guild level 60)

In THIS ONE CHANGE you made EVERY SINGLE GUILD REWARD HORSE absolutley useless. Not only does the new quest mount look different. It is now as fast if not faster, cheaper and takes less time and effort required. You have absolutley made all guild mounts COMPELTELY OBSOLETE with this change. REEVALUTE HORSE SPEEDS IN GENERAL or reduce this mount to 42% at the MOST.

P.s. The above prices does not even reflect the time necessary to level a guild to the appropriate level OR the time required to build enough personal faction.

[ZUES]

Beggars cant be choosers and majority rules. That was an awsome thing the SOE team did for us in creating this new mount. Even better when they decide to go with 50%. If you have a problem with this new mount then please refer to this post for your other FOURTY FIVE options! But please, leave well enough alone and thank them for their efforts. Save your "want list" for another thread and another time.

Thanks to the SOE team! Apple fritters all around!

[Gungo]

ZUES wrote:

Beggars cant be choosers and majority rules. That was an awsome thing the SOE team did for us in creating this new mount. Even better when they decide to go with 50%. If you have a problem with this new mount then please refer to this post for your other FOURTY FIVE options! But please, leave well enough alone and thank them for their efforts. Save your "want list" for another thread and another time.

Thanks to the SOE team! Apple fritters all around!

I know you want everythign given to you but LOOK at the numbers THEY DONT LIE. This mount is now cheaper, easier, and/or faster then every  other guild mount, tinker mount, raid mount, God ability mount in game. This is the worse BALANCE change EVER done in a LONG LONG time. Instead of seeing everyone and thie rmom on a carpet we will see everyone on this new mount. WHY? Because there is NO OPTION ANYMORE.

LOOK AT THE NUMBERS. Seriously. It doesn't add up. There is NO need for SOE to unbalance thier own game.

[Hagran]

In my many long years playing SOE games, i have learned something, SOE do everything for a reason. I have a feeling this is only the begining and the guilds mounts etc will get a loving treatment soon enough.. just wait.. play the game and have fun

[ZUES]

LOL I'm sorry but I just dont see your argument as to any kind of "unbalance". Level 60 guilds atm allow any level players to purchase a guild level 60 mount. This is a little bit cheaper but it has to be quested for. We higher level player finally got a mount that a twink cant get. I love it. And thank God for a new "non-horse" mount!

Think about solo players that dont like to be bothered by guildies begging them to attend raids or help on a quest. Thats their play style. I respect it and give props to the devs for including content for them as well.

[Gungo]

ZUES wrote:

LOL I'm sorry but I just dont see your argument as to any kind of "unbalance". Level 60 guilds atm allow any level players to purchase a guild level 60 mount. This is a little bit cheaper but it has to be quested for. We higher level player finally got a mount that a twink cant get. I love it. And thank God for a new "non-horse" mount!

Think about solo players that dont like to be bothered by guildies begging them to attend raids or help on a quest. Thats their play style. I respect it and give props to the devs for including content for them as well.

War Barded Calvary Horse- 50% runspeed and 7 to crush, slash, peirce ranged skill Price: 448,875 status, 14 platinum, 36 gold, 40 silver  (Guild level 60)

Do you see that number? Its called status. Do you know how status is gained? Either by killing raid mobs in a guild (in effect adding to the guild level), By doing LOTS of quests called writs, by killing ALOT of mobs and obtaining thousands and thousands of status items or a mix of the above. DO you know how long it took test people to finish the quest series and get the new mount ON TEST? 10 minutes.

There is no BALANCE. The new quest mounts are cheaper, easier to obtain and/or faster then ANYOTHER MOUNT IN GAME.

[Kinuun]

I was a little disappointed to hear that the worgs were originally 40% and the 10pp and quested, but I'm elated to hear its bumped up to 50%. Makes it acually worth the time... And another thing, IT'S A [Removed for Content] MOUNT!!! You really don't need it to play at all. Only reason I have a mount it because it was free. Sure, the quest was hard but it was something to do. P.S. You forgot HQ's, Gungo. That's how I get all my status.

[Gungo]

Kinuun wrote:

I was a little disappointed to hear that the worgs were originally 40% and the 10pp and quested, but I'm elated to hear its bumped up to 50%. Makes it acually worth the time...

The quest took all of 10 minutes on to complete. This mount should not be faster then 45%.

[Gungo]

Kinuun wrote:

I was a little disappointed to hear that the worgs were originally 40% and the 10pp and quested, but I'm elated to hear its bumped up to 50%. Makes it acually worth the time... P.S. You forgot HQ's, Gungo. That's how I get all my status.

Ok so whats takes longer the 10 minute quest for the new mount. OR doing all 30 HQ's to obtain aproximately 500,000 status.

[ZUES]

Well Gongo when you sell your mount back and get this one, congrats you have your 448,000 status points back! Still no good argument sorry.

Change is going to happen in this game. Someone is always gonna find a way to say it is or isnt fair and pick it apart. Considering this is a high level requirment to obtain the mount then I have no issue with it. I agree that it would be better suited as a HARD and long quest like an HQ but adapted to accomodate solo players. I'm a sami-hardcore raid mongril but frankly I'm glad solo players are gettin some love on this one.

[Gungo]

Haha you really are biased and dumb. I show you facts and you say its suppsoe to be the best mount in the game without anything to back up your statements.

Put it this way now there are 3 level 60 guild rewards.

Mount Title- count/countess Cloak Borders

Basically you just removed one of 3 reards for being guild level 60 and the only actual in game benefit reward.

See i can keep coming up with FACTS. Thats show you how stupid this is.

[Amphibia]

ZUES wrote:

Beggars cant be choosers and majority rules. That was an awsome thing the SOE team did for us in creating this new mount. Even better when they decide to go with 50%. If you have a problem with this new mount then please refer to this post for your other FOURTY FIVE options! But please, leave well enough alone and thank them for their efforts. Save your "want list" for another thread and another time.

Thanks to the SOE team! Apple fritters all around!

QFE To the naysayers: Don't want the warg? There is a pretty nice horse you can get instead, same speed and with a nice stat bonus too. Yes it does require guildlevel 60 and some status, but for some of us (exiles) guildlevel 60 and TONS of status doesn't help one bit for getting such upgrades. If the 50% thing makes it to live, this warg will be an awesome upgrade many of us would never have a chance to get otherwise. People complained like hell when they introdused the DoF carpet too, but my wasn't it nice to have that option for your alt or if you weren't lucky enough to be in a high level guild..... I really hope they decide to keep it at 50%. Edit: Oh, and I forget my manners.... big thanks to the SOE team.

[ZUES]

Gungo@Crushbone wrote:

Haha you really are biased and dumb. I show you facts and you say its suppsoe to be the best mount in the game without anything to back up your statements.

Put it this way now there are 3 level 60 guild rewards.

Mount Title- count/countess Cloak Borders

Basically you just removed one of 3 reards for being guild level 60 and the only actual in game benefit reward.

See i can keep coming up with FACTS. Thats show you how stupid this is.

Butt joo duh smart 1 sew I'll step outt of thiz condverdsatin!

[Bre]

Gun look, I know you're upset about this and I can see why, but please conside the following..

The warg is not all around better than the lvl 60 guild mount. The 60 mount has some very nice stats on it in addition to the runspeed and I for one will drop the warg fast when we hit 60 in favor of the war barded.

SOE has been amping up near everything since EoF. Look at the items in game now for example. EoF treasured better than KoS legendary, EoF Legendary better than KoS Fabled. They seem to be moving towards a larger wow factor (not a Blizzard reference).

And as a previos poster said, They do tend to do stuff for a reason, mostly we just aren't privvy to what the reasons are. I can't tell you how many times I saw something change and went ooohhh that's why they did that a few months/weeks ago.

My worry is that we have kinda pigeon-holed ourselves with future upgrades to this particular mount. I could definately see it going to live with a 45% runspeed and quests or costlier options added in the future to upgrade.

In a perfect world I would like to see the initial quest made harder with the mount staying at 40%. A replacement for the carpet so to speak. Then a harder questline for a 45% mount and anything above that in terms of a runspeed boost or stats/abilities added would come from a greater cost equal to the progression set so far in current mounts. And accurate descriptions of the mounts on the whistles of course.

Brega - 70 Ranger, Test Server

[Computer MAn]

I really hope they raise the price on these mounts because as Gungo has said you have completely trivialized the need to be in a lvl 50-60 guild. Horses are really the ONLY reason to level a guild up these days and now you have eliminated one of those reasons, raise the price to 30p or make the quest signifigantly harder and I would have no issue but muzzling 3 wargs and paying to 10p to get the best mount in the game is completely unbalanced. So now we will see every botter running on around on 50% mounts instead of 40% carpets I can't wait!

[Iseabeil]

When EQ2 was new, guild level rewards were a pure status thing. You could get fancy titles, fancy clothing, fancy furniture, cheaper horses, cheaper homes. The only things of pure value you were unable to get without a high level guild was the 5 room houses and the spirit horse/carpet (could possibly count the elaborate crafting stations too). Whilst surely faster then the ones you could buy without a guild, the main reason to have them wasnt speed but status. It was show off stuff, like the guild reward clothing, and getting a guild to max level back then was a lot harder then getting one to 60 today when you cant de-level and every member contributes with status, and still people today seem to expect to get material rewards for their efforts instead of status symbols. I have a guild level 60 War-barded Cavalry Spiritsteed of my own, that I bought when in a guild that I helped level to that state. Will I still get this new warg? better belive it, I use my horse only for speed cause I personally hate the metal clad horses, and Id prolly get a warg even if it was 45%. The speed doesnt matter tho, if I see a person on a war-barded horse or one on a warg, Ill know that the one on the horse comes from a level capped guild, whilst the one on the woofie wont tell me anything. Same thing with titles, when I see someone with Countess before their name I know this person is at the top of the status rank so to say, whilst someone with the title Fencer, whilst possibly in a level 60 guild too, will not give the same impression.

Leave guild rewards for what they were/are, status symbols, not endgame content.

[sah]

actually there is a 4th guild lvl 60 reward...an extra row in the guild bank which is nice for plopping in all those fancy adornments.....

and btw...rule of 3...if someone says a quest took them 10 minutes to complete it really took them 30 minutes...hahaha but seriously, where the hell did you get that number?  I haven't seen anyone from test posting any information about the quests...

and technically, the lvl 60 guild mount is still the best mount in the game...

[Computer MAn]

sahet wrote:

actually there is a 4th guild lvl 60 reward...an extra row in the guild bank which is nice for plopping in all those fancy adornments.....

and btw...rule of 3...if someone says a quest took them 10 minutes to complete it really took them 30 minutes...hahaha but seriously, where the hell did you get that number?  I haven't seen anyone from test posting any information about the quests...

and technically, the lvl 60 guild mount is still the best mount in the game...

We have a guildie with a character on the PVP test server and there is no killing involved in the quest.

[Cocytus]

Iseabeil wrote:

When EQ2 was new, guild level rewards were a pure status thing. You could get fancy titles, fancy clothing, fancy furniture, cheaper horses, cheaper homes. The only things of pure value you were unable to get without a high level guild was the 5 room houses and the spirit horse/carpet (could possibly count the elaborate crafting stations too). Whilst surely faster then the ones you could buy without a guild, the main reason to have them wasnt speed but status. It was show off stuff, like the guild reward clothing, and getting a guild to max level back then was a lot harder then getting one to 60 today when you cant de-level and every member contributes with status, and still people today seem to expect to get material rewards for their efforts instead of status symbols. I have a guild level 60 War-barded Cavalry Spiritsteed of my own, that I bought when in a guild that I helped level to that state. Will I still get this new warg? better belive it, I use my horse only for speed cause I personally hate the metal clad horses, and Id prolly get a warg even if it was 45%. The speed doesnt matter tho, if I see a person on a war-barded horse or one on a warg, Ill know that the one on the horse comes from a level capped guild, whilst the one on the woofie wont tell me anything. Same thing with titles, when I see someone with Countess before their name I know this person is at the top of the status rank so to say, whilst someone with the title Fencer, whilst possibly in a level 60 guild too, will not give the same impression.

Leave guild rewards for what they were/are, status symbols, not endgame content.

/clap

Very, very well said.

[SpritRaja]

No killing involved? Awesome I can now go get my lvl 20 boxed alt and train through loping plains for the best mount in the game. Congratulations Devs you have made yourselves look dumb again.

[sah]

Saphira@Crushbone wrote:

No killing involved? Awesome I can now go get my lvl 20 boxed alt and train through loping plains for the best mount in the game. Congratulations Devs you have made yourselves look dumb again.

Actually, someone previously said that you have to be lvl 61 to get the quest...not sure if that info is accurate or not though...

And still, it is the 2nd best mount in the game...not the best..... 

[Tokam]

Grimwell wrote:

Keeping it short and simple. I did raise the run speed questions with the Dev team and was informed that on Tuesday the Test server will be patched and Wargs will  be doing 50%. Keep in mind that it's going to the Test Server that way on Tuesday, and the final speed that makes it to the live servers could be higher or lower... but they do listen. You must now say something nice about them.

Grats devs and grimwell on nerfing the guild mounts and making leveling a guild to the cap even more meaningless.

Good job.

[ZUES]

"Leave guild rewards for what they were/are, status symbols, not endgame content."

I couldn't agree more. If everyone wants the game to stay the same then perhaps their playing the wrong game. I welcome anything new and happy to see this new mount.

[Wingrider01]

Saphira@Crushbone wrote:

No killing involved? Awesome I can now go get my lvl 20 boxed alt and train through loping plains for the best mount in the game. Congratulations Devs you have made yourselves look dumb again.

Just the same as the level 25 that is an alt of a level 60 guild that is running around on this horse

War Barded Calvary Horse- 50% runspeed and 7 to crush, slash, peirce ranged skill Price: 448,875 status, 14 platinum, 36 gold, 40 silver  (Guild level 60)

Status point are very easy to get, if you are willing to spend the time and the plat. What they really need to do is add level restrictions on the horse's

[Emerix]

A mount that costs 10 plat should not be as fast as a free one . So im happy if the warg is faster than the carpet .

[ashen1973]

I for one think the addition of the 50% run speed is a great idea.

My guild is in the 50's, and I will still want my guild to reach 60.

I think its nice to have a choice, i'll still have a cavalry horse for my Pally when I can get it (just think a plate wearer would look much better on a war horse, rather than a wolf or carpet)

My Ratonga wizzy will probably get the wolf moutn, as I think this would probably look pretty good.

If I hade an Erudite or elf type mage, then I'd probably stick with the carpet, this would suit them.

Its all about having choices, the more choice the better for me.

And as for removing the reason to reach guild level 60, whats wrong with doing it just for the sense of accomplishment you gain?