Mage Pet & Elemental Vestment

Faeydien · 04-16-2007, 07:10 PM

I have a question regarding using the Mage pet and Elemental Vestment.

Now that the Mage pet no longer goes into melee will Elemental Vestment proc?

As well, Blazing Avatar will not proc because that only procs with melee hits?

I'm not sure if I'm reading these spell descriptions correctly in regards to the Mage pet not going into melee range.

Thanks SMILEY

TuHideous · 04-16-2007, 10:35 PM

Yes it works on my mage pet. I generally cast EV when the tank gives his pull warning. Then he pulls, by the time I finish csting, he has generally put down a couple taunts so I can let the mage start casting. I see noticable DPS increases even with my mage /ranged.

Draco the Grey · 04-17-2007, 03:34 AM

Both Blazing Avatar and Elemental Vestment do work with the mage pet. There are 2 potential sources of confusion on this. Blazing Avatar has two different triggers to proc. The first is "When target is damaged with a melee weapon" which some mistakenly interpret as the pet damaging their target in melee. In this case the target of Blazing Avatar is the pet, and it procs when the pet is hit in melee. The second trigger is "On a successful attack" which reads exactly the same as the triggers for Elemental Vestment and Ember Seed (and its predecessors.) This can be confusing because in practice, the Seed spells don't proc on spells while Elemental Vestment and Blazing Avatar do.

Luhai · 04-17-2007, 04:52 AM

Some dev admitted a while ago that the description on Blazing Avatar should indeed read like "On any successful attack" which includes melee as well as spell. And yes, BA and EV both work great with the mage pet, especially when you have chosen "Arcane Minion" from the INT line in the KoS tree which makes the pet cast faster. You should use both spells as often as you can, as long as the tank can hold the mobs. SMILEY

The_Itch · 04-17-2007, 08:17 AM

Hmm, sorry to nit pick here, but while both EV and BA work perfectly well with the mage pet, as the are both triggered "on any succesful attack", ember seed definatly does not, as it is triggered "on A successful attack" which means melee only iirc.

Eniwyn · 04-17-2007, 10:40 AM

The_Itch wrote:

Hmm, sorry to nit pick here, but while both EV and BA work perfectly well with the mage pet, as the are both triggered "on any succesful attack", ember seed definatly does not, as it is triggered "on A successful attack" which means melee only iirc.

..That's why I always put the Ember Seed on either the MT, other Tanks, maybe also scouts that uses melee primary. No need to put it on the Magepet at all.

Faeydien · 04-17-2007, 07:52 PM

Luhai wrote:

Some dev admitted a while ago that the description on Blazing Avatar should indeed read like "On any successful attack" which includes melee as well as spell. And yes, BA and EV both work great with the mage pet, especially when you have chosen "Arcane Minion" from the INT line in the KoS tree which makes the pet cast faster. You should use both spells as often as you can, as long as the tank can hold the mobs.

That's exactly what was confusing me. I interpret the BA spell description as "melee" attack. But, if it truely is Any successful attack then that would include the Mage pet's spell casting.

Cassend · 04-18-2007, 12:50 AM

Eniwyn wrote:

The_Itch wrote:
Hmm, sorry to nit pick here, but while both EV and BA work perfectly well with the mage pet, as the are both triggered "on any succesful attack", ember seed definatly does not, as it is triggered "on A successful attack" which means melee only iirc.
..That's why I always put the Ember Seed on either the MT, other Tanks, maybe also scouts that uses melee primary. No need to put it on the Magepet at all.

You can't put ember seed on the MT, unless you're in the MT group which is silly anyways. You shouldn't be putting ember seed on any tanks unless you're in one of those silly all mage groups. Ember seed belongs on rangers and rogues, then after that it doesn't matter so much. Don't put it on a Paladin if there's a scout, and what the hell does "scout that uses melee primary" mean? What scout uses primarily spells and less melee?

Eniwyn · 04-18-2007, 08:43 AM

Cassend wrote:

Eniwyn wrote:
The_Itch wrote:
Hmm, sorry to nit pick here, but while both EV and BA work perfectly well with the mage pet, as the are both triggered "on any succesful attack", ember seed definatly does not, as it is triggered "on A successful attack" which means melee only iirc.
..That's why I always put the Ember Seed on either the MT, other Tanks, maybe also scouts that uses melee primary. No need to put it on the Magepet at all.
You can't put ember seed on the MT, unless you're in the MT group which is silly anyways. You shouldn't be putting ember seed on any tanks unless you're in one of those silly all mage groups. Ember seed belongs on rangers and rogues, then after that it doesn't matter so much. Don't put it on a Paladin if there's a scout, and what the hell does "scout that uses melee primary" mean? What scout uses primarily spells and less melee?

Ok, thanks for correcting. I of course use it on the tank in my group.

Scouts that uses primarily spells, and less Melee is usually Rangers, as they can use bows for Dps.

Wes · 04-18-2007, 11:26 AM

Cassend wrote:

and what the hell does "scout that uses melee primary" mean? What scout uses primarily spells and less melee?

Troubador.....? SMILEY

TuHideous · 04-18-2007, 11:48 AM

Cassend wrote:

Eniwyn wrote:
The_Itch wrote:
Hmm, sorry to nit pick here, but while both EV and BA work perfectly well with the mage pet, as the are both triggered "on any succesful attack", ember seed definatly does not, as it is triggered "on A successful attack" which means melee only iirc.
..That's why I always put the Ember Seed on either the MT, other Tanks, maybe also scouts that uses melee primary. No need to put it on the Magepet at all.
You can't put ember seed on the MT, unless you're in the MT group which is silly anyways. You shouldn't be putting ember seed on any tanks unless you're in one of those silly all mage groups. Ember seed belongs on rangers and rogues, then after that it doesn't matter so much. Don't put it on a Paladin if there's a scout, and what the hell does "scout that uses melee primary" mean? What scout uses primarily spells and less melee?

Wha???? This is news to me. I cast it on the MT from out of group quite often.

Draco the Grey · 04-18-2007, 12:02 PM

Innocence@Kithicor wrote:

Wha???? This is news to me. I cast it on the MT from out of group quite often.

Ember Seed? I doubt it, since it's a group only spell. You're probably thinking of Pyreshield, which can be cast on a raid friend.

Lantis · 04-18-2007, 12:02 PM

Innocence@Kithicor wrote:

Wha???? This is news to me. I cast it on the MT from out of group quite often.

Flameshield works out of group, not Ember Seed.

Cassend · 04-18-2007, 01:48 PM

Wes02 wrote:

Cassend wrote:
and what the hell does "scout that uses melee primary" mean? What scout uses primarily spells and less melee?
Troubador.....?

Troubadors rely heavily still on melee attacks and auto attack.

Wes · 04-18-2007, 01:54 PM

Cassend wrote:

Cassend wrote: Troubadors rely heavily still on melee attacks and auto attack.

Yes, I was telling you what i thought he was talking about....a melee only scout would = Assassin, ranger, brigand, swashy, because they don't use ANY spells. Where as, troub and dirge use alot of spells along with Ca's.

Edit** Yes, Ember Seed is group-wide, and Pyreshield is raid-wide.

04-16-2007, 10:35 PM	#2
TuHideous Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Newport, RI Posts: 76	Yes it works on my mage pet. I generally cast EV when the tank gives his pull warning. Then he pulls, by the time I finish csting, he has generally put down a couple taunts so I can let the mage start casting. I see noticable DPS increases even with my mage /ranged. __________________ .__........__......_....._..__....____... (...)...../._.\...(..\/\/..)(..)..(_....) .).(__../.(_).\...)......(..).(__..././_ (____)(__)(__)(__/\__)(____)(____)

04-17-2007, 04:52 AM	#4
Luhai Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 679	Some dev admitted a while ago that the description on Blazing Avatar should indeed read like "On any successful attack" which includes melee as well as spell. And yes, BA and EV both work great with the mage pet, especially when you have chosen "Arcane Minion" from the INT line in the KoS tree which makes the pet cast faster. You should use both spells as often as you can, as long as the tank can hold the mobs. __________________

04-17-2007, 10:40 AM	#6
Eniwyn Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 71	The_Itch wrote: Hmm, sorry to nit pick here, but while both EV and BA work perfectly well with the mage pet, as the are both triggered "on any succesful attack", ember seed definatly does not, as it is triggered "on A successful attack" which means melee only iirc. ..That's why I always put the Ember Seed on either the MT, other Tanks, maybe also scouts that uses melee primary. No need to put it on the Magepet at all.

04-17-2007, 07:52 PM	#7
Faeydien Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Fort Myers, FL USA Posts: 87	Luhai wrote: Some dev admitted a while ago that the description on Blazing Avatar should indeed read like "On any successful attack" which includes melee as well as spell. And yes, BA and EV both work great with the mage pet, especially when you have chosen "Arcane Minion" from the INT line in the KoS tree which makes the pet cast faster. You should use both spells as often as you can, as long as the tank can hold the mobs. That's exactly what was confusing me. I interpret the BA spell description as "melee" attack. But, if it truely is Any successful attack then that would include the Mage pet's spell casting.

04-18-2007, 12:50 AM	#8
Cassend Lord Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 70	Eniwyn wrote: The_Itch wrote: Hmm, sorry to nit pick here, but while both EV and BA work perfectly well with the mage pet, as the are both triggered "on any succesful attack", ember seed definatly does not, as it is triggered "on A successful attack" which means melee only iirc. ..That's why I always put the Ember Seed on either the MT, other Tanks, maybe also scouts that uses melee primary. No need to put it on the Magepet at all. You can't put ember seed on the MT, unless you're in the MT group which is silly anyways. You shouldn't be putting ember seed on any tanks unless you're in one of those silly all mage groups. Ember seed belongs on rangers and rogues, then after that it doesn't matter so much. Don't put it on a Paladin if there's a scout, and what the hell does "scout that uses melee primary" mean? What scout uses primarily spells and less melee?

04-16-2007, 07:10 PM	#1
Faeydien Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Fort Myers, FL USA Posts: 87	I have a question regarding using the Mage pet and Elemental Vestment. Now that the Mage pet no longer goes into melee will Elemental Vestment proc? As well, Blazing Avatar will not proc because that only procs with melee hits? I'm not sure if I'm reading these spell descriptions correctly in regards to the Mage pet not going into melee range. Thanks

04-17-2007, 03:34 AM	#3
Draco the Grey Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 258	Both Blazing Avatar and Elemental Vestment do work with the mage pet. There are 2 potential sources of confusion on this. Blazing Avatar has two different triggers to proc. The first is "When target is damaged with a melee weapon" which some mistakenly interpret as the pet damaging their target in melee. In this case the target of Blazing Avatar is the pet, and it procs when the pet is hit in melee. The second trigger is "On a successful attack" which reads exactly the same as the triggers for Elemental Vestment and Ember Seed (and its predecessors.) This can be confusing because in practice, the Seed spells don't proc on spells while Elemental Vestment and Blazing Avatar do.

04-17-2007, 08:17 AM	#5
The_Itch Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 17	Hmm, sorry to nit pick here, but while both EV and BA work perfectly well with the mage pet, as the are both triggered "on any succesful attack", ember seed definatly does not, as it is triggered "on A successful attack" which means melee only iirc.

04-18-2007, 08:43 AM	#9
Eniwyn Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 71	Cassend wrote: Eniwyn wrote: The_Itch wrote: Hmm, sorry to nit pick here, but while both EV and BA work perfectly well with the mage pet, as the are both triggered "on any succesful attack", ember seed definatly does not, as it is triggered "on A successful attack" which means melee only iirc. ..That's why I always put the Ember Seed on either the MT, other Tanks, maybe also scouts that uses melee primary. No need to put it on the Magepet at all. You can't put ember seed on the MT, unless you're in the MT group which is silly anyways. You shouldn't be putting ember seed on any tanks unless you're in one of those silly all mage groups. Ember seed belongs on rangers and rogues, then after that it doesn't matter so much. Don't put it on a Paladin if there's a scout, and what the hell does "scout that uses melee primary" mean? What scout uses primarily spells and less melee? Ok, thanks for correcting. I of course use it on the tank in my group. Scouts that uses primarily spells, and less Melee is usually Rangers, as they can use bows for Dps.

04-18-2007, 11:26 AM	#10
Wes General Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 141	Cassend wrote: and what the hell does "scout that uses melee primary" mean? What scout uses primarily spells and less melee? Troubador.....?

04-18-2007, 11:48 AM	#11
TuHideous Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Newport, RI Posts: 76	Cassend wrote: Eniwyn wrote: The_Itch wrote: Hmm, sorry to nit pick here, but while both EV and BA work perfectly well with the mage pet, as the are both triggered "on any succesful attack", ember seed definatly does not, as it is triggered "on A successful attack" which means melee only iirc. ..That's why I always put the Ember Seed on either the MT, other Tanks, maybe also scouts that uses melee primary. No need to put it on the Magepet at all. You can't put ember seed on the MT, unless you're in the MT group which is silly anyways. You shouldn't be putting ember seed on any tanks unless you're in one of those silly all mage groups. Ember seed belongs on rangers and rogues, then after that it doesn't matter so much. Don't put it on a Paladin if there's a scout, and what the hell does "scout that uses melee primary" mean? What scout uses primarily spells and less melee? Wha???? This is news to me. I cast it on the MT from out of group quite often. __________________ .__........__......_....._..__....____... (...)...../._.\...(..\/\/..)(..)..(_....) .).(__../.(_).\...)......(..).(__..././_ (____)(__)(__)(__/\__)(____)(____)

04-18-2007, 12:02 PM	#12
Draco the Grey Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 258	Innocence@Kithicor wrote: Wha???? This is news to me. I cast it on the MT from out of group quite often. Ember Seed? I doubt it, since it's a group only spell. You're probably thinking of Pyreshield, which can be cast on a raid friend.

04-18-2007, 12:02 PM	#13
Lantis Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Location: Montreal, Canada Posts: 943	Innocence@Kithicor wrote: Wha???? This is news to me. I cast it on the MT from out of group quite often. Flameshield works out of group, not Ember Seed. __________________ RosterMaster Stand Alone - EQ2 Guild Roster tool

04-18-2007, 01:48 PM	#14
Cassend Lord Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 70	Wes02 wrote: Cassend wrote: and what the hell does "scout that uses melee primary" mean? What scout uses primarily spells and less melee? Troubador.....? Troubadors rely heavily still on melee attacks and auto attack.

04-18-2007, 01:54 PM	#15
Wes General Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 141	Cassend wrote: Cassend wrote: Troubadors rely heavily still on melee attacks and auto attack. Yes, I was telling you what i thought he was talking about....a melee only scout would = Assassin, ranger, brigand, swashy, because they don't use ANY spells. Where as, troub and dirge use alot of spells along with Ca's. Edit** Yes, Ember Seed is group-wide, and Pyreshield is raid-wide.