who has the highest self buffed physical mitigation

Splintered · 03-20-2007, 04:11 PM

Under the best situation, which class can achieve the highest physical mitigation?

Kaleyen · 03-20-2007, 04:13 PM

With self short terms...Guardian.

Bozidar · 03-20-2007, 04:17 PM

Splintered wrote:

Under the best situation, which class can achieve the highest physical mitigation?

What tier?

Splintered · 03-20-2007, 04:19 PM

Bozidar wrote:

Splintered wrote:
Under the best situation, which class can achieve the highest physical mitigation?
What tier?

lvl 70

Wytie · 03-20-2007, 04:31 PM

Splintered wrote:

Bozidar wrote:
Splintered wrote:
Under the best situation, which class can achieve the highest physical mitigation?
What tier?
lvl 70

The only Tier that matters...........

Splintered · 03-20-2007, 04:33 PM

humm.. anyone else think anything besides guardian?

t0iletduck · 03-20-2007, 05:40 PM

I'd also agree with guardian using their 30 second mit buffs. An SK can achieve high mitigation using Despoil on a large linked encounter, but that doesnt really count as self buffed.

Mildavyn · 03-20-2007, 08:13 PM

Why not? You cast it didnt you?

Splintered · 03-20-2007, 10:47 PM

heheh, well, intresting experience, but so far no one got it correct. I guess I'll go ahead and give the answer. A bruiser can actually achieve the highest self buffed mitigation in the game SMILEY

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Mildavyn · 03-20-2007, 11:42 PM

Interesting, care to explain how?

Splintered · 03-21-2007, 12:19 AM

sure

.. these figures are using the armor sets of drytan (leather armor) and weakling (heavy armor) (venekor), both of which have top of the line fabled gear. Now I will say a Guardian would have a much easier time reaching his max mit then a bruiser would, but the point was who can achieve the max mitigation SMILEY

. Leather armor: 1818 Defensive Stance: 455 Vigorous Spirit: 762 Hardened Skin: 2176 AA line to increase hardened skin: 544 Eagle Expert: 1400 Adornments: 268 Total: physical mit 7423 Guardian: Heavy Armor: 3694 Defensive Stance: 775 Command: 762 (take all three it adds to and divide by 3) Wall of Force: 1104 Under wisdom line 8pts in phy mit: Estimating 350 Adornments: 268 Total: 6953

t0iletduck · 03-21-2007, 01:46 AM

ahhh crap, good trick question. I'd still take the guard tanking anyday though SMILEY

Paikis@Venekor wrote:

Why not? You cast it didnt you?

I didn't count the mitigation siphon as its dependent on a large linked encounter and not having any of them resist. I haven't went looking for a low level linked encounter to try to siphon from, as a group of 8 that con would be a swifth death solo. Trying to do this experiment against mobs mobs that conned would be a swift death as I need 8 linked mobs. However, I have broke 8k mit in Lyceum against the 8 linked mobs as you go down the stairs toward Vilucidae. Unfortunately as each mob dies, you lose a portion of that siphoned mit.

Darlion · 03-21-2007, 02:07 AM

That guard needs to upgrade his gear! Ick!

Norrsken · 03-21-2007, 05:10 AM

t0iletduck wrote:

ahhh crap, good trick question. I'd still take the guard tanking anyday though Paikis@Venekor wrote:
Why not? You cast it didnt you?
I didn't count the mitigation siphon as its dependent on a large linked encounter and not having any of them resist. I haven't went looking for a low level linked encounter to try to siphon from, as a group of 8 that con would be a swifth death solo. Trying to do this experiment against mobs mobs that conned would be a swift death as I need 8 linked mobs. However, I have broke 8k mit in Lyceum against the 8 linked mobs as you go down the stairs toward Vilucidae. Unfortunately as each mob dies, you lose a portion of that siphoned mit.

They WOULD?! I love those encounters on my sk!

t0iletduck · 03-22-2007, 02:02 AM

Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote:

t0iletduck wrote:
ahhh crap, good trick question. I'd still take the guard tanking anyday though Paikis@Venekor wrote:
Why not? You cast it didnt you?
I didn't count the mitigation siphon as its dependent on a large linked encounter and not having any of them resist. I haven't went looking for a low level linked encounter to try to siphon from, as a group of 8 that con would be a swifth death solo. Trying to do this experiment against mobs mobs that conned would be a swift death as I need 8 linked mobs. However, I have broke 8k mit in Lyceum against the 8 linked mobs as you go down the stairs toward Vilucidae. Unfortunately as each mob dies, you lose a portion of that siphoned mit.
They WOULD?! I love those encounters on my sk!

hehe, i meant a guardian tanking over a bruiser. Of course I'd rather tank encounters like that SMILEY

Oshef · 03-22-2007, 03:32 AM

I'm up to 7200ish with both my short terms up. I have block adornments instead of +mit adornments also.. I could easily get 7500 - especially considering i'm not even fully EoF fabled yet. SMILEY

edit: thats after AA's in my short terms.. grasshoppa. my M1 command is somewhere in the neighborhood of 996 mit.. just an fyi

CKash · 03-22-2007, 02:09 PM

Splintered wrote:

Leather armor: 1818 Defensive Stance: 455 Vigorous Spirit: 762 Hardened Skin: 2176 AA line to increase hardened skin: 544 Eagle Expert: 1400 Adornments: 268 Total: physical mit 7423 Guardian: Heavy Armor: 3694 4495 Defensive Stance: 775 538 (this is at m1 so not sure where the 775 comes from) Command: 762 (take all three it adds to and divide by 3) 868 (the guard AA line increases this and ive only 2 in it so would be even higher) Wall of Force: 1104 1104 Under wisdom line 8pts in phy mit: Estimating 350 314 (actual amount) Adornments: 268 268 (I havnt got these cause my server is dead but ill include them to show the potential) Total: 6953 7587...

Hmmm... seems the guard has it SMILEY

this is from Saracen of Nexus on Darathar

How do i post a screenshot?

MikeMatsumo · 03-22-2007, 02:35 PM

Guardian then zerker. Anyway,thats not more important because all class have they good points and are balanced. I have one paladin full flabed lvl 70 and in most time I inspect another flabed guardian he have a little more mitigation then me. But this make sense because guardians dont have wards/heals so they need alittle more mitigation. With right aa line a paladin can ward(1400+/-) each 8.30 seconds and we have at least 1500 more power then another tank class for that. So, its the same at the end. I think SOE is pretty good in that. If you wanna make a plate user, dont worry only about mitigation. Im pretty sure your class will give what you need. And after combats chances, avoid is really important so monks/bruisers are super cool right now. But if miti its only thing that you wanna: 1 guardian 2 zerker. oggro/barbarian races. my opnion.

Ameniel · 03-22-2007, 03:24 PM

Splintered wrote:

sure .. these figures are using the armor sets of drytan (leather armor) and weakling (heavy armor) (venekor), both of which have top of the line fabled gear. Now I will say a Guardian would have a much easier time reaching his max mit then a bruiser would, but the point was who can achieve the max mitigation . Leather armor: 1818 Defensive Stance: 455 Vigorous Spirit: 762 Hardened Skin: 2176 AA line to increase hardened skin: 544 Eagle Expert: 1400 Adornments: 268 Total: physical mit 7423 Guardian: Heavy Armor: 3694 Defensive Stance: 775 Command: 762 (take all three it adds to and divide by 3) Wall of Force: 1104 Under wisdom line 8pts in phy mit: Estimating 350 Adornments: 268 Total: 6953

Wasn't aware monks get vigorous spirit, thought that was a bruiser-only thing.

Splintered · 03-22-2007, 03:38 PM

i would love to know how some of you are claiming heavy armor to give somewhere in the region of 4400-4500. I have looked at probably 5 different gaurdians and zerkers (including you osfeh) and most only add to around 3700-3800. Oshef your was at 3732. I also must have made a mistake on guardian short term buffs through aa's, as I thought it only increase reuse speed. So i'll add 25% to command and recalulate using your fabled armor set.

Heavy armor: 3732

Defensive stance: 560

Wis line: 315

Wall of Force: 1104

Command: 762 (This number was achieved as a medium between the three bonus' the guardian gets)

Command AA: 190 (assuming a 25% increase)

Adornments: 268

total: 6931

The only way I could see those numbers getting higher is if defensive stance effects command and wall of force by 15%, but then if that was the case then the bruisers defensive stance would be much higher with the temp buffs. I'll test this when I get home, but i don't believe that is true.

Splintered · 03-22-2007, 03:39 PM

Ameniel wrote:

Splintered wrote:
sure .. these figures are using the armor sets of drytan (leather armor) and weakling (heavy armor) (venekor), both of which have top of the line fabled gear. Now I will say a Guardian would have a much easier time reaching his max mit then a bruiser would, but the point was who can achieve the max mitigation . Leather armor: 1818 Defensive Stance: 455 Vigorous Spirit: 762 Hardened Skin: 2176 AA line to increase hardened skin: 544 Eagle Expert: 1400 Adornments: 268 Total: physical mit 7423 Guardian: Heavy Armor: 3694 Defensive Stance: 775 Command: 762 (take all three it adds to and divide by 3) Wall of Force: 1104 Under wisdom line 8pts in phy mit: Estimating 350 Adornments: 268 Total: 6953
Wasn't aware monks get vigorous spirit, thought that was a bruiser-only thing.

monks get something similiar, but no, i was refering to bruisers. Only I was using a monks armor, which really doesn't matter, its all leather armor.

Oshef · 03-22-2007, 04:45 PM

I'll tell you exactly how I get my number.. I log in.. i take my defensive stance off - I look at my mitigation. I put my defensive stance on.. I put my short terms up.. I look at my mitigation..

Harbringer Doom · 03-22-2007, 04:54 PM

Oshef wrote:

I'll tell you exactly how I get my number.. I log in.. i take my defensive stance off - I look at my mitigation. I put my defensive stance on.. I put my short terms up.. I look at my mitigation..

I don't know where you get these crazy calculating techniques from.

Splintered · 03-23-2007, 12:46 AM

Oshef wrote:

I'll tell you exactly how I get my number.. I log in.. i take my defensive stance off - I look at my mitigation. I put my defensive stance on.. I put my short terms up.. I look at my mitigation..

yes, I believe you, but your forgetting something which i forgot until tonight. Racial traits... every race can select to increase there physical mitigation, and that would account for about the extra 200-250 or so. Bruisers would have the same thing, so it would only carry over the same way it has for yours.

CKash · 03-23-2007, 10:13 AM

Splintered wrote:

i would love to know how some of you are claiming heavy armor to give somewhere in the region of 4400-4500. I have looked at probably 5 different gaurdians and zerkers (including you osfeh) and most only add to around 3700-3800. Oshef your was at 3732. I also must have made a mistake on guardian short term buffs through aa's, as I thought it only increase reuse speed. So i'll add 25% to command and recalulate using your fabled armor set.
Heavy armor: 3732
Defensive stance: 560
Wis line: 315
Wall of Force: 1104
Command: 762 (This number was achieved as a medium between the three bonus' the guardian gets)
Command AA: 190 (assuming a 25% increase)
Adornments: 268
total: 6931
The only way I could see those numbers getting higher is if defensive stance effects command and wall of force by 15%, but then if that was the case then the bruisers defensive stance would be much higher with the temp buffs. I'll test this when I get home, but i don't believe that is true.

I'm not sure how you are gettin these numbers but the figures I gave you were taken whilst i was in game (same way as Oshef got his... SMILEY

)... i was looking at my mitigation realtime as I wrote it... to be fair it was only at 7319 but thats cause I don't have any adornments... and thats with only 2 points in the AA line... with all the extras I could hit maybe 7700... if i could figure out how to post a screeny I could show you... plus once SoE at long feckin last enables movelog I'll get the adornments and the AA I need to get it up to....

Splintered · 03-23-2007, 10:57 AM

CKash wrote:

Splintered wrote:
i would love to know how some of you are claiming heavy armor to give somewhere in the region of 4400-4500. I have looked at probably 5 different gaurdians and zerkers (including you osfeh) and most only add to around 3700-3800. Oshef your was at 3732. I also must have made a mistake on guardian short term buffs through aa's, as I thought it only increase reuse speed. So i'll add 25% to command and recalulate using your fabled armor set.
Heavy armor: 3732
Defensive stance: 560
Wis line: 315
Wall of Force: 1104
Command: 762 (This number was achieved as a medium between the three bonus' the guardian gets)
Command AA: 190 (assuming a 25% increase)
Adornments: 268
total: 6931
The only way I could see those numbers getting higher is if defensive stance effects command and wall of force by 15%, but then if that was the case then the bruisers defensive stance would be much higher with the temp buffs. I'll test this when I get home, but i don't believe that is true.
I'm not sure how you are gettin these numbers but the figures I gave you were taken whilst i was in game (same way as Oshef got his... )... i was looking at my mitigation realtime as I wrote it... to be fair it was only at 7319 but thats cause I don't have any adornments... and thats with only 2 points in the AA line... with all the extras I could hit maybe 7700... if i could figure out how to post a screeny I could show you... plus once SoE at long feckin last enables movelog I'll get the adornments and the AA I need to get it up to....

I'm getting the numbers simply by adding SMILEY

. I am also using the master 1 versions of these spells. Only thing in question is if you could confirm what the guardian aa's do exactly to effect command and wall of force.

Cocytus · 03-24-2007, 02:28 PM

Um no, assuming a bruiser and a guardian are in the same quality gear and spells, a bruiser can self but his mit higher than a guardian.

LostSerpant · 08-12-2007, 07:01 PM

you want higher mitigation on guardian but it all depends on if you have masters me personally i dont i have adept 1 and i sit at juat over 5k mit with using 30 sec mit buff and can still take a beatin

Reaperscurse lvl 70 Guardian venekor

Spider · 08-12-2007, 07:51 PM

Splintered wrote:

humm.. anyone else think anything besides guardian?

inquisitor

battle cleric +10% mit ftw

theres inquis wearable plate with nearly 600 mit on each peice plus good jewlery and adrons u can get some sickly high mit

03-20-2007, 04:11 PM	#1
Splintered Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 344	Under the best situation, which class can achieve the highest physical mitigation? __________________

03-20-2007, 04:13 PM	#2
Kaleyen Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: kk thx la~ Posts: 1,341	With self short terms...Guardian. __________________ Blaye \| 80 Guardian \| Leader of Anomaly

03-20-2007, 04:17 PM	#3
Bozidar Loremaster Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 3,292	Splintered wrote: Under the best situation, which class can achieve the highest physical mitigation? What tier?

03-20-2007, 04:19 PM	#4
Splintered Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 344	Bozidar wrote: Splintered wrote: Under the best situation, which class can achieve the highest physical mitigation? What tier? lvl 70 __________________

03-20-2007, 04:31 PM	#5
Wytie Mouse Betrayer! Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 2,579	Splintered wrote: Bozidar wrote: Splintered wrote: Under the best situation, which class can achieve the highest physical mitigation? What tier? lvl 70 The only Tier that matters........... __________________

03-20-2007, 04:33 PM	#6
Splintered Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 344	humm.. anyone else think anything besides guardian? __________________

03-20-2007, 05:40 PM	#7
t0iletduck Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 212	I'd also agree with guardian using their 30 second mit buffs. An SK can achieve high mitigation using Despoil on a large linked encounter, but that doesnt really count as self buffed.

03-20-2007, 08:13 PM	#8
Mildavyn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,301	Why not? You cast it didnt you? __________________ Paikis, Troubador Ashk, Guardian Sslyth, Necromancer Mirbolt, Shadowknight Mildayvin, Assasin Verminius, Defiler

03-20-2007, 10:47 PM	#9
Splintered Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 344	heheh, well, intresting experience, but so far no one got it correct. I guess I'll go ahead and give the answer. A bruiser can actually achieve the highest self buffed mitigation in the game . __________________

03-20-2007, 11:42 PM	#10
Mildavyn Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,301	Interesting, care to explain how? __________________ Paikis, Troubador Ashk, Guardian Sslyth, Necromancer Mirbolt, Shadowknight Mildayvin, Assasin Verminius, Defiler

03-21-2007, 12:19 AM	#11
Splintered Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 344	sure .. these figures are using the armor sets of drytan (leather armor) and weakling (heavy armor) (venekor), both of which have top of the line fabled gear. Now I will say a Guardian would have a much easier time reaching his max mit then a bruiser would, but the point was who can achieve the max mitigation . Leather armor: 1818 Defensive Stance: 455 Vigorous Spirit: 762 Hardened Skin: 2176 AA line to increase hardened skin: 544 Eagle Expert: 1400 Adornments: 268 Total: physical mit 7423 Guardian: Heavy Armor: 3694 Defensive Stance: 775 Command: 762 (take all three it adds to and divide by 3) Wall of Force: 1104 Under wisdom line 8pts in phy mit: Estimating 350 Adornments: 268 Total: 6953 __________________

03-21-2007, 01:46 AM	#12
t0iletduck Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 212	ahhh crap, good trick question. I'd still take the guard tanking anyday though Paikis@Venekor wrote: Why not? You cast it didnt you? I didn't count the mitigation siphon as its dependent on a large linked encounter and not having any of them resist. I haven't went looking for a low level linked encounter to try to siphon from, as a group of 8 that con would be a swifth death solo. Trying to do this experiment against mobs mobs that conned would be a swift death as I need 8 linked mobs. However, I have broke 8k mit in Lyceum against the 8 linked mobs as you go down the stairs toward Vilucidae. Unfortunately as each mob dies, you lose a portion of that siphoned mit.

03-21-2007, 02:07 AM	#13
Darlion Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 139	That guard needs to upgrade his gear! Ick!

03-21-2007, 05:10 AM	#14
Norrsken Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,450	t0iletduck wrote: ahhh crap, good trick question. I'd still take the guard tanking anyday though Paikis@Venekor wrote: Why not? You cast it didnt you? I didn't count the mitigation siphon as its dependent on a large linked encounter and not having any of them resist. I haven't went looking for a low level linked encounter to try to siphon from, as a group of 8 that con would be a swifth death solo. Trying to do this experiment against mobs mobs that conned would be a swift death as I need 8 linked mobs. However, I have broke 8k mit in Lyceum against the 8 linked mobs as you go down the stairs toward Vilucidae. Unfortunately as each mob dies, you lose a portion of that siphoned mit. They WOULD?! I love those encounters on my sk! __________________

03-22-2007, 02:02 AM	#15
t0iletduck Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 212	Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote: t0iletduck wrote: ahhh crap, good trick question. I'd still take the guard tanking anyday though Paikis@Venekor wrote: Why not? You cast it didnt you? I didn't count the mitigation siphon as its dependent on a large linked encounter and not having any of them resist. I haven't went looking for a low level linked encounter to try to siphon from, as a group of 8 that con would be a swifth death solo. Trying to do this experiment against mobs mobs that conned would be a swift death as I need 8 linked mobs. However, I have broke 8k mit in Lyceum against the 8 linked mobs as you go down the stairs toward Vilucidae. Unfortunately as each mob dies, you lose a portion of that siphoned mit. They WOULD?! I love those encounters on my sk! hehe, i meant a guardian tanking over a bruiser. Of course I'd rather tank encounters like that

03-22-2007, 03:32 AM	#16
Oshef Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 51	I'm up to 7200ish with both my short terms up. I have block adornments instead of +mit adornments also.. I could easily get 7500 - especially considering i'm not even fully EoF fabled yet. edit: thats after AA's in my short terms.. grasshoppa. my M1 command is somewhere in the neighborhood of 996 mit.. just an fyi

03-22-2007, 02:09 PM	#17
CKash Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 4	Splintered wrote: Leather armor: 1818 Defensive Stance: 455 Vigorous Spirit: 762 Hardened Skin: 2176 AA line to increase hardened skin: 544 Eagle Expert: 1400 Adornments: 268 Total: physical mit 7423 Guardian: Heavy Armor: 3694 4495 Defensive Stance: 775 538 (this is at m1 so not sure where the 775 comes from) Command: 762 (take all three it adds to and divide by 3) 868 (the guard AA line increases this and ive only 2 in it so would be even higher) Wall of Force: 1104 1104 Under wisdom line 8pts in phy mit: Estimating 350 314 (actual amount) Adornments: 268 268 (I havnt got these cause my server is dead but ill include them to show the potential) Total: 6953 7587... Hmmm... seems the guard has it this is from Saracen of Nexus on Darathar How do i post a screenshot?

03-22-2007, 02:35 PM	#18
MikeMatsumo General Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 134	Guardian then zerker. Anyway,thats not more important because all class have they good points and are balanced. I have one paladin full flabed lvl 70 and in most time I inspect another flabed guardian he have a little more mitigation then me. But this make sense because guardians dont have wards/heals so they need alittle more mitigation. With right aa line a paladin can ward(1400+/-) each 8.30 seconds and we have at least 1500 more power then another tank class for that. So, its the same at the end. I think SOE is pretty good in that. If you wanna make a plate user, dont worry only about mitigation. Im pretty sure your class will give what you need. And after combats chances, avoid is really important so monks/bruisers are super cool right now. But if miti its only thing that you wanna: 1 guardian 2 zerker. oggro/barbarian races. my opnion.

03-22-2007, 03:24 PM	#19
Ameniel Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 304	Splintered wrote: sure .. these figures are using the armor sets of drytan (leather armor) and weakling (heavy armor) (venekor), both of which have top of the line fabled gear. Now I will say a Guardian would have a much easier time reaching his max mit then a bruiser would, but the point was who can achieve the max mitigation . Leather armor: 1818 Defensive Stance: 455 Vigorous Spirit: 762 Hardened Skin: 2176 AA line to increase hardened skin: 544 Eagle Expert: 1400 Adornments: 268 Total: physical mit 7423 Guardian: Heavy Armor: 3694 Defensive Stance: 775 Command: 762 (take all three it adds to and divide by 3) Wall of Force: 1104 Under wisdom line 8pts in phy mit: Estimating 350 Adornments: 268 Total: 6953 Wasn't aware monks get vigorous spirit, thought that was a bruiser-only thing. __________________ Ameniel, Bruiser of Venekor(Retired) Sabal, Brigand of Venekor Narade, Ranger of Nagafen Offense, Troubadour of Nagafen It's all about the strategerie

03-22-2007, 03:38 PM	#20
Splintered Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 344	i would love to know how some of you are claiming heavy armor to give somewhere in the region of 4400-4500. I have looked at probably 5 different gaurdians and zerkers (including you osfeh) and most only add to around 3700-3800. Oshef your was at 3732. I also must have made a mistake on guardian short term buffs through aa's, as I thought it only increase reuse speed. So i'll add 25% to command and recalulate using your fabled armor set. Heavy armor: 3732 Defensive stance: 560 Wis line: 315 Wall of Force: 1104 Command: 762 (This number was achieved as a medium between the three bonus' the guardian gets) Command AA: 190 (assuming a 25% increase) Adornments: 268 total: 6931 The only way I could see those numbers getting higher is if defensive stance effects command and wall of force by 15%, but then if that was the case then the bruisers defensive stance would be much higher with the temp buffs. I'll test this when I get home, but i don't believe that is true. __________________

03-22-2007, 03:39 PM	#21
Splintered Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 344	Ameniel wrote: Splintered wrote: sure .. these figures are using the armor sets of drytan (leather armor) and weakling (heavy armor) (venekor), both of which have top of the line fabled gear. Now I will say a Guardian would have a much easier time reaching his max mit then a bruiser would, but the point was who can achieve the max mitigation . Leather armor: 1818 Defensive Stance: 455 Vigorous Spirit: 762 Hardened Skin: 2176 AA line to increase hardened skin: 544 Eagle Expert: 1400 Adornments: 268 Total: physical mit 7423 Guardian: Heavy Armor: 3694 Defensive Stance: 775 Command: 762 (take all three it adds to and divide by 3) Wall of Force: 1104 Under wisdom line 8pts in phy mit: Estimating 350 Adornments: 268 Total: 6953 Wasn't aware monks get vigorous spirit, thought that was a bruiser-only thing. monks get something similiar, but no, i was refering to bruisers. Only I was using a monks armor, which really doesn't matter, its all leather armor. __________________

03-22-2007, 04:45 PM	#22
Oshef Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 51	I'll tell you exactly how I get my number.. I log in.. i take my defensive stance off - I look at my mitigation. I put my defensive stance on.. I put my short terms up.. I look at my mitigation..

03-22-2007, 04:54 PM	#23
Harbringer Doom Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 669	Oshef wrote: I'll tell you exactly how I get my number.. I log in.. i take my defensive stance off - I look at my mitigation. I put my defensive stance on.. I put my short terms up.. I look at my mitigation.. I don't know where you get these crazy calculating techniques from.

03-23-2007, 12:46 AM	#24
Splintered Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 344	Oshef wrote: I'll tell you exactly how I get my number.. I log in.. i take my defensive stance off - I look at my mitigation. I put my defensive stance on.. I put my short terms up.. I look at my mitigation.. yes, I believe you, but your forgetting something which i forgot until tonight. Racial traits... every race can select to increase there physical mitigation, and that would account for about the extra 200-250 or so. Bruisers would have the same thing, so it would only carry over the same way it has for yours. __________________

03-23-2007, 10:13 AM	#25
CKash Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 4	Splintered wrote: i would love to know how some of you are claiming heavy armor to give somewhere in the region of 4400-4500. I have looked at probably 5 different gaurdians and zerkers (including you osfeh) and most only add to around 3700-3800. Oshef your was at 3732. I also must have made a mistake on guardian short term buffs through aa's, as I thought it only increase reuse speed. So i'll add 25% to command and recalulate using your fabled armor set. Heavy armor: 3732 Defensive stance: 560 Wis line: 315 Wall of Force: 1104 Command: 762 (This number was achieved as a medium between the three bonus' the guardian gets) Command AA: 190 (assuming a 25% increase) Adornments: 268 total: 6931 The only way I could see those numbers getting higher is if defensive stance effects command and wall of force by 15%, but then if that was the case then the bruisers defensive stance would be much higher with the temp buffs. I'll test this when I get home, but i don't believe that is true. I'm not sure how you are gettin these numbers but the figures I gave you were taken whilst i was in game (same way as Oshef got his... )... i was looking at my mitigation realtime as I wrote it... to be fair it was only at 7319 but thats cause I don't have any adornments... and thats with only 2 points in the AA line... with all the extras I could hit maybe 7700... if i could figure out how to post a screeny I could show you... plus once SoE at long feckin last enables movelog I'll get the adornments and the AA I need to get it up to....

03-23-2007, 10:57 AM	#26
Splintered Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 344	CKash wrote: Splintered wrote: i would love to know how some of you are claiming heavy armor to give somewhere in the region of 4400-4500. I have looked at probably 5 different gaurdians and zerkers (including you osfeh) and most only add to around 3700-3800. Oshef your was at 3732. I also must have made a mistake on guardian short term buffs through aa's, as I thought it only increase reuse speed. So i'll add 25% to command and recalulate using your fabled armor set. Heavy armor: 3732 Defensive stance: 560 Wis line: 315 Wall of Force: 1104 Command: 762 (This number was achieved as a medium between the three bonus' the guardian gets) Command AA: 190 (assuming a 25% increase) Adornments: 268 total: 6931 The only way I could see those numbers getting higher is if defensive stance effects command and wall of force by 15%, but then if that was the case then the bruisers defensive stance would be much higher with the temp buffs. I'll test this when I get home, but i don't believe that is true. I'm not sure how you are gettin these numbers but the figures I gave you were taken whilst i was in game (same way as Oshef got his... )... i was looking at my mitigation realtime as I wrote it... to be fair it was only at 7319 but thats cause I don't have any adornments... and thats with only 2 points in the AA line... with all the extras I could hit maybe 7700... if i could figure out how to post a screeny I could show you... plus once SoE at long feckin last enables movelog I'll get the adornments and the AA I need to get it up to.... I'm getting the numbers simply by adding . I am also using the master 1 versions of these spells. Only thing in question is if you could confirm what the guardian aa's do exactly to effect command and wall of force. __________________

03-24-2007, 02:28 PM	#27
Cocytus Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,908	Um no, assuming a bruiser and a guardian are in the same quality gear and spells, a bruiser can self but his mit higher than a guardian.

08-12-2007, 07:01 PM	#28
LostSerpant Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Reaperscurse Posts: 16	you want higher mitigation on guardian but it all depends on if you have masters me personally i dont i have adept 1 and i sit at juat over 5k mit with using 30 sec mit buff and can still take a beatin Reaperscurse lvl 70 Guardian venekor

08-12-2007, 07:51 PM	#29
Spider Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,112	Splintered wrote: humm.. anyone else think anything besides guardian? inquisitor battle cleric +10% mit ftw theres inquis wearable plate with nearly 600 mit on each peice plus good jewlery and adrons u can get some sickly high mit