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Adrioni · 08-16-2006, 11:43 PM

People who exploit are punished. EL has not been punished. Any other questions?

Pins · 08-16-2006, 11:44 PM

Adrionica wrote:
People who exploit are punished. EL has not been punished. Any other questions?

People who exploit aren't always punished. I give you "The Wall" and Godking as an example.

vinterskugge · 08-16-2006, 11:46 PM

KrayzieKal wrote:

Smooth bought Magank a long time ago and the whole purpose of him being in our guild is an honorary thing. Check his gear ... he has the same stuff now as he did when Magank first sold his toon.

I never realised Magank meant so much to you that you put him in your guild in a place of honour.

Adrioni · 08-16-2006, 11:47 PM

Oh I wonder why the Warden Root was changed to no longer effect epic targets (Even though it shouldn't have in the first place) Probably because Disso used it to exploit DMP. I wonder why Talendor was made so much harder from when Disso killed it? Probably because SOE didn't want a guild to get DT access from a mob equal to a monolith. But you guys did it anyways GG.

3 Princes was changed RIGHT after Disso killed it also. I guess it wasn't SoE's intention for a guild to exploit a contested mob 20 times in less than a week.

KrayzieK · 08-16-2006, 11:49 PM

The toon was left in guild to honor the player who bought it, not Magank himself.

Gaige · 08-16-2006, 11:49 PM

Adrionica wrote:

People who exploit are punished. EL has not been punished. Any other questions?

As far as I can remember CL is the *only* guild to ever be punished for exploiting. So I'm sure that proves your point.

Adrioni · 08-16-2006, 11:50 PM

Well you wouldn't know about them exploits Disso did anyways I don't think you got kicked from your guild yet

Slygr · 08-16-2006, 11:52 PM

Gaige wrote:

GG at derailing the thread, might as well lock it now mods.

Kalidon I know I'm not the voice of SOE, but Blackguard is and he said the death penalty is changing so it can't be exploited in high end raid zones. Now I just wonder why that even came up?

Ya.

Thought so.

Dying and hitting revive isn't an exploit. Also, BG said they were looking at changing the death penalty, not that they were going to for sure, and in no way did he call it a exploit - as you say, you're not the voice of SOE so stop acting like it.

Pins · 08-16-2006, 11:54 PM

Adrionica wrote:Oh I wonder why the Warden Root was changed to no longer effect epic targets (Even though it shouldn't have in the first place) Probably because Disso used it to exploit DMP. I wonder why Talendor was made so much harder from when Disso killed it? Probably because SOE didn't want a guild to get DT access from a mob equal to a monolith. But you guys did it anyways GG.3 Princes was changed RIGHT after Disso killed it also. I guess it wasn't SoE's intention for a guild to exploit a contested mob 20 times in less than a week.

Lets start with the warden root and compare to the stun/stifle/etc. poisons. Were those too an exploit?Then the princes thing. They kill the mob, it spawns on top of them and they get a chest and wipe. What do you do when the contested spawns, you kill it, so they killed it again, and it happened again, so they killed it again. Then the next day it was up, again, so they killed it, again. The GMs specifically said this was not an exploit. The encounter was killed, it dropped a chest, it respawned due to a bad timer, so it died again. Lets compare this to Maj'Dul's Barakah and Siyamak. Those were intended to be killed if you had a scale, yet you could kill them without one and they would drop loot, and people would farm them. Again, same thing there.So, FoH exploited Talendor too?

Adrioni · 08-16-2006, 11:59 PM

Just like the GM's didn't say EL exploited. Get the point?

Message Edited by Adrionica on 08-16-2006 01:00 PM

Ratty31 · 08-17-2006, 12:01 AM

On a lighter note, I bet matron drops [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ty items so honestly I dont care if they make it red and give a 2 second memwipe.

Woz · 08-17-2006, 12:03 AM

Lol see Kalidon admits to doing stupid stuff in order to win. People make fun of him. Random noob in Kalidons guild gets mad and makes stuff up about Disso. Didnt Ishbu post a screenshot of Kalidon saying he was going to make stuff up about disso before during the whole death coordination thing? I dont know about any warden root, but if the mob was meant to be rooted, so be it. I know for a fact they didnt exploit anything on their godking kill. But if it makes you feel better keep thinking that they uh.....had a secret so only the godking ever spawned and he coudlnt attack them as they killed it. Hmm exploited talendor. You mean killed him legitemately? Yeah they tweaked him to impossible status after dissolution had killed him, but then they lowered him back down because nobody could kill that version.Princes, yeah, well they got fixed BECAUSE of Dissolution's feedback and insistance. It was said it was not an exploit because they kept respawning through no fault of Dissolution's so that is more crap your spewing.Do you have any facts here or are you just talking out your [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] because your mad at them?EDIT - I was right. http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=zones&message.id=19192&view=by_date_ascending&page=8 That is Kalidon threatening to make up stuff. Lol, maybe next time you try and make up stuff you wont threaten it first? Seriously, how dumb do you have to be to screw up making up lies?

Message Edited by Wozza on 08-16-2006 01:06 PM

KrayzieK · 08-17-2006, 12:07 AM

So you admit that you used questionable tactics then, you just weren't punished or accused by a GM of exploiting? You exploited princes whether you admit it or not. You saying you killed them over and over again simply because you could is like saying okay well I hit the revive button because I could. The only difference is reviving is not an exploit. Using a broken root on a mob when root is a critical part of the encounter IS an exploit. That's why the warden root has always said "does not affect epic targets" yet you guys used it over and over again. It didn't click through to your brain that maybe what you were doing was unintended? How about when you killed the [Removed for Content] Talendor and then bragged about getting your WW first DT access and Tarinax kill? How about how you guys killed Jura'Nata, can you explain to the public exactly how you did that? I will. You had a conjuror pet pull her and kite her far away in zone and killed one mob in the encounter. You then proceeded to revive and run back to the encounter, and then rinse and repeat. You revived over and over again to kill Jura'Nata ... which is a true zerge. You couldn't kill the whole encounter so you did it piece by piece with the help of a revive button.

Pins · 08-17-2006, 12:12 AM

KrayzieKal wrote:How about how you guys killed Jura'Nata, can you explain to the public exactly how you did that? I will. You had a conjuror pet pull her and kite her far away in zone and killed one mob in the encounter. You then proceeded to revive and run back to the encounter, and then rinse and repeat. You revived over and over again to kill Jura'Nata ... which is a true zerge. You couldn't kill the whole encounter so you did it piece by piece with the help of a revive button.

Odd, considering if you kill 1 mob, and have everybody wipe in the Jura'Nata encounter, you have about 2 minutes to get back and re-engage. Then if you die again after killing another mob, you have completely shot the bucket, since the encounter has now bugged, and there is nothing you can do to fix it. Btw, how do you kite a mob to another floor in PP:R? Oh wait, you can't.Btw, there are other guilds out there that have beaten PP:R without a ring at Level 60, so why don't you ask them as well?

Scarrlette · 08-17-2006, 12:14 AM

Cripes..what is with all the guild bashing lately?

As promised.. /lock

08-16-2006, 11:44 PM	#92
Pins General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,040	Adrionica wrote: People who exploit are punished. EL has not been punished. Any other questions? People who exploit aren't always punished. I give you "The Wall" and Godking as an example. __________________ Calaglin, Former Illusionist/Guild Leader of Dissolution on Nektulos Calaglin, Former Illusionist/Guild Leader of Confirmed on Unrest

08-16-2006, 11:46 PM	#93
vinterskugge Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 696	KrayzieKal wrote: Smooth bought Magank a long time ago and the whole purpose of him being in our guild is an honorary thing. Check his gear ... he has the same stuff now as he did when Magank first sold his toon. I never realised Magank meant so much to you that you put him in your guild in a place of honour.

08-16-2006, 11:49 PM	#96
Gaige Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,500	Adrionica wrote: People who exploit are punished. EL has not been punished. Any other questions? As far as I can remember CL is the only guild to ever be punished for exploiting. So I'm sure that proves your point. __________________

08-16-2006, 11:52 PM	#98
Slygr Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 7	Gaige wrote: GG at derailing the thread, might as well lock it now mods. Kalidon I know I'm not the voice of SOE, but Blackguard is and he said the death penalty is changing so it can't be exploited in high end raid zones. Now I just wonder why that even came up? Ya. Thought so. Dying and hitting revive isn't an exploit. Also, BG said they were looking at changing the death penalty, not that they were going to for sure, and in no way did he call it a exploit - as you say, you're not the voice of SOE so stop acting like it.

08-16-2006, 11:54 PM	#99
Pins General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,040	Adrionica wrote:Oh I wonder why the Warden Root was changed to no longer effect epic targets (Even though it shouldn't have in the first place) Probably because Disso used it to exploit DMP. I wonder why Talendor was made so much harder from when Disso killed it? Probably because SOE didn't want a guild to get DT access from a mob equal to a monolith. But you guys did it anyways GG.3 Princes was changed RIGHT after Disso killed it also. I guess it wasn't SoE's intention for a guild to exploit a contested mob 20 times in less than a week. Lets start with the warden root and compare to the stun/stifle/etc. poisons. Were those too an exploit?Then the princes thing. They kill the mob, it spawns on top of them and they get a chest and wipe. What do you do when the contested spawns, you kill it, so they killed it again, and it happened again, so they killed it again. Then the next day it was up, again, so they killed it, again. The GMs specifically said this was not an exploit. The encounter was killed, it dropped a chest, it respawned due to a bad timer, so it died again. Lets compare this to Maj'Dul's Barakah and Siyamak. Those were intended to be killed if you had a scale, yet you could kill them without one and they would drop loot, and people would farm them. Again, same thing there.So, FoH exploited Talendor too? __________________ Calaglin, Former Illusionist/Guild Leader of Dissolution on Nektulos Calaglin, Former Illusionist/Guild Leader of Confirmed on Unrest

08-16-2006, 11:43 PM	#91
Adrioni Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Buffalo NY Posts: 16	People who exploit are punished. EL has not been punished. Any other questions?

08-16-2006, 11:47 PM	#94
Adrioni Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Buffalo NY Posts: 16	Oh I wonder why the Warden Root was changed to no longer effect epic targets (Even though it shouldn't have in the first place) Probably because Disso used it to exploit DMP. I wonder why Talendor was made so much harder from when Disso killed it? Probably because SOE didn't want a guild to get DT access from a mob equal to a monolith. But you guys did it anyways GG. 3 Princes was changed RIGHT after Disso killed it also. I guess it wasn't SoE's intention for a guild to exploit a contested mob 20 times in less than a week.

08-16-2006, 11:49 PM	#95
KrayzieK General Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 105	The toon was left in guild to honor the player who bought it, not Magank himself.

08-16-2006, 11:50 PM	#97
Adrioni Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Buffalo NY Posts: 16	Well you wouldn't know about them exploits Disso did anyways I don't think you got kicked from your guild yet

08-16-2006, 11:59 PM	#100
Adrioni Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Buffalo NY Posts: 16	Just like the GM's didn't say EL exploited. Get the point? Message Edited by Adrionica on 08-16-2006 01:00 PM

08-17-2006, 12:01 AM	#101
Ratty31 Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 351	On a lighter note, I bet matron drops [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ty items so honestly I dont care if they make it red and give a 2 second memwipe.

08-17-2006, 12:03 AM	#102
Woz Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 74	Lol see Kalidon admits to doing stupid stuff in order to win. People make fun of him. Random noob in Kalidons guild gets mad and makes stuff up about Disso. Didnt Ishbu post a screenshot of Kalidon saying he was going to make stuff up about disso before during the whole death coordination thing? I dont know about any warden root, but if the mob was meant to be rooted, so be it. I know for a fact they didnt exploit anything on their godking kill. But if it makes you feel better keep thinking that they uh.....had a secret so only the godking ever spawned and he coudlnt attack them as they killed it. Hmm exploited talendor. You mean killed him legitemately? Yeah they tweaked him to impossible status after dissolution had killed him, but then they lowered him back down because nobody could kill that version.Princes, yeah, well they got fixed BECAUSE of Dissolution's feedback and insistance. It was said it was not an exploit because they kept respawning through no fault of Dissolution's so that is more crap your spewing.Do you have any facts here or are you just talking out your [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] because your mad at them?EDIT - I was right. http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=zones&message.id=19192&view=by_date_ascending&page=8 That is Kalidon threatening to make up stuff. Lol, maybe next time you try and make up stuff you wont threaten it first? Seriously, how dumb do you have to be to screw up making up lies? Message Edited by Wozza on 08-16-2006 01:06 PM

08-17-2006, 12:07 AM	#103
KrayzieK General Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 105	So you admit that you used questionable tactics then, you just weren't punished or accused by a GM of exploiting? You exploited princes whether you admit it or not. You saying you killed them over and over again simply because you could is like saying okay well I hit the revive button because I could. The only difference is reviving is not an exploit. Using a broken root on a mob when root is a critical part of the encounter IS an exploit. That's why the warden root has always said "does not affect epic targets" yet you guys used it over and over again. It didn't click through to your brain that maybe what you were doing was unintended? How about when you killed the [Removed for Content] Talendor and then bragged about getting your WW first DT access and Tarinax kill? How about how you guys killed Jura'Nata, can you explain to the public exactly how you did that? I will. You had a conjuror pet pull her and kite her far away in zone and killed one mob in the encounter. You then proceeded to revive and run back to the encounter, and then rinse and repeat. You revived over and over again to kill Jura'Nata ... which is a true zerge. You couldn't kill the whole encounter so you did it piece by piece with the help of a revive button.

08-17-2006, 12:12 AM	#104
Pins General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,040	KrayzieKal wrote:How about how you guys killed Jura'Nata, can you explain to the public exactly how you did that? I will. You had a conjuror pet pull her and kite her far away in zone and killed one mob in the encounter. You then proceeded to revive and run back to the encounter, and then rinse and repeat. You revived over and over again to kill Jura'Nata ... which is a true zerge. You couldn't kill the whole encounter so you did it piece by piece with the help of a revive button. Odd, considering if you kill 1 mob, and have everybody wipe in the Jura'Nata encounter, you have about 2 minutes to get back and re-engage. Then if you die again after killing another mob, you have completely shot the bucket, since the encounter has now bugged, and there is nothing you can do to fix it. Btw, how do you kite a mob to another floor in PP:R? Oh wait, you can't.Btw, there are other guilds out there that have beaten PP:R without a ring at Level 60, so why don't you ask them as well? __________________ Calaglin, Former Illusionist/Guild Leader of Dissolution on Nektulos Calaglin, Former Illusionist/Guild Leader of Confirmed on Unrest

08-17-2006, 12:14 AM	#105
Scarrlette Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 135	Cripes..what is with all the guild bashing lately? As promised.. /lock __________________