Haraghur the Deathless

[Ishbu]

The funny thing is his last post made it sound like he was just sitting here completely lost in the fantasy enviroment of eq2 and the eq2 boards, while Ive been posting from work this whole time

[Tasnus]

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Feltrak wrote:

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USAFJeeper wrote:

You guys are fun!  Oh well time to head back into the cruel world.  Enjoy your EQ toon day!  And make sure that line doesnt get too blurred tween life and fantasy!

 

Madigan "They Call me Troll" the Ranger.

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You drunk?

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Doubtful!  Can you imagine what he'd post if he WAS drunk though?  I'd be sick for a week.... from laughing.Honestly at this point people seem to just want to get the last word in, cause no one is being budged one way or the other.. so maybe it's time for mod intervention, otherwise this thread will continue for all time~

[espmrred]

ibsnark :smileytongue:

[Snarks]

robble robble robble

[ProphecyCT]

Snark, u have violated the ibsnark equation, because I haven't even responded to this thread and u have already done so.

[espmrred]

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ProphecyCT wrote:
Snark, u have violated the ibsnark equation, because I haven't even responded to this thread and u have already done so.

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shhhh right now it's meethos 1 kaz 0 (and we know how much you want to strike back at kaz for his uber panda sig!)

[Ishbu]

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ProphecyCT wrote:
Snark, u have violated the ibsnark equation, because I haven't even responded to this thread and u have already done so.

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A cut and dry case for MINUS FIFTY DKP!

[Caetrel]

The problem people have with this mob shouldn't be that it's epic or contested, but that it's on a 3 day respawn.  That makes the bottleneck.  At best, 24 people can get the update in a week (6 days, whatever). I don't care one way or the other, if you really want it, you'll get it. But a bottleneck exists. And I am sure several servers have [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] guilds that will try and block others from getting it.  Mine does.  It is naive to think this mob will help build community.  Alot of uber kids are just [Removed for Content] that DT won't be their private playground anymore.

[Pins]

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Caetrel wrote:The problem people have with this mob shouldn't be that it's epic or contested, but that it's on a 3 day respawn.  That makes the bottleneck.  At best, 24 people can get the update in a week (6 days, whatever). I don't care one way or the other, if you really want it, you'll get it. But a bottleneck exists. And I am sure several servers have [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] guilds that will try and block others from getting it.  Mine does.  It is naive to think this mob will help build community.  Alot of uber kids are just [Removed for Content] that DT won't be their private playground anymore.

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Maybe they put a bottleneck there on purpose and plan to leave it?

[Ishbu]

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Caetrel wrote:
The problem people have with this mob shouldn't be that it's epic or contested, but that it's on a 3 day respawn.  That makes the bottleneck.  At best, 24 people can get the update in a week (6 days, whatever).

I don't care one way or the other, if you really want it, you'll get it.

But a bottleneck exists.

And I am sure several servers have [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] guilds that will try and block others from getting it.  Mine does.  It is naive to think this mob will help build community.  Alot of uber kids are just [Removed for Content] that DT won't be their private playground anymore.

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Well that last paragraph makes it more than clear that you have an extreme prejudice against any guild that you deem as "uber", for absolutely no reason at all.  Your so obviously bitter for some reason we can only guess at how meaningless. 

BTW, in a week more often than not he will spawn three times giving 36 people a week the chance to get this update.  Come complain when you have 36 new people a week killing tarinax.

[Yunga_511]

Definition of Uber:

Uber, the German word for above or over, has been adopted by English-speakers as a prefix meaning super or ultra; thus, the uber Guild is one whose preoccupation with Raiding goes above and beyond that of the average Non-Raiding Guild

 

Tho This Meaning is Wrong in a way, Uber can be Set in Different Terms, Raiding Guilds and Family Non-Raiding Guilds Should NEVER be compared Together as Noted in the Definition.

 

I'am Actually Scared of the European Guilds Killing it at 5am in the Morning More than the fact they are Being camped 24/7 by same time zone guilds, Maybe if you ask Nicely, Most of the Euro People I've meet are extremely Nice and Helpful, But Thats the Way the Cookie Crumbles (Quote from Bruce Almighty)

 

 

[ElricM]

Elric's EQ's Raidmob Database:

Haraghur the Deathless:

Haraghur fights his enemies with Boring Grandmaster 1. This extremely overboring attack has cost the life of thousands of the bravest adventureres of Norrath.

 

A Haraghur Camping

Adventurerer

[Ishbu]

See ElricM here is being constructive.  He is using his camp time on the mob to get some posts in so his name can change from that horrid white color

Message Edited by Ishboozor on 05-26-2006 07:27 AM

[ElricM]

This post is a symptom of Haraghur's Attack. It's not cureable and I hope i will survive and kill this #*x++#-eye in the next few hours.

[Yunga_511]

Since we're off topic, WHITE IS COOL!! Unlike Onimaro, Tangarth, Screename, and some others I Can't think of at this moment Are all Uncool-NerBs.

Back on topic, Its not instanced/reduced spawn timer cause it isnt preventing anything Important (EG. Access Quest [DEG. Deathtoll])

Its Bottleneck for sure, but it isnt affecting anything but your own Advancement into Claymore, maybe they might do something about it and then again maybe not

See on Kithicor Most Non-Raiding Guilds/Guildless Players are Doing This Quest Line Because:

A: Its [Removed for Content] AA Exp

B: The Items are [Removed for Content]

and

C: The Story Line is umm [Removed for Content]

Its funny, you can half a group that dude without even trying to heal/DPS/Taunt, what to do is Mark down the time he dies then 2-3 days later come back and be the first to pull, Unlike Harla' Dal Before Nerfage he isnt that hard to get to. Park a alt log him in every 4 hours or something

[zjusti]

... Is this really even a thread?  Whats next?  "Plz make tarinax hailable for his update, he is too hard"  "Omg I have to kill a raid mob for my epic quest!!! what a [Removed for Content]"  "Make a quest instance of deathtoll so I can get my update whenever"  "Plz make a quest instance of palace with only the named mobs we need,  all this named camping is a bottleneck"If you can't camp and kill a mob that spawns every 2-3 days you don't diserve the reward,  doesnt get any more basic than that.  If you put half the time into camping the mob as you do posting about it you would of killed it several times by now.JerobEternal Chaos

[Caetrel]

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Well that last paragraph makes it more than clear that you have an extreme prejudice against any guild that you deem as "uber", for absolutely no reason at all.  Your so obviously bitter for some reason we can only guess at how meaningless.

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Wow Dr. Freud tell me more please! Uber kids is a perfect term for successful raiders act like bratty little children is it not?   Top guilds should walk tall and set an example, not act like  prattling little bee itches.  Don't you agree?   Most top guilds do, but not all, some are real jerks.  If I wanna call em kids then paint me bitter lol.  Nobody owns the word uber either,  get over thyself if you feel defensive when it's used.  Ishbu it really sounds to me like you are on a cool server.  If all servers were like yours maybe nobody would have started this thread.  There are some jerks out there though. 

[Caetrel]

Ahhh it was my statement " Alot of uber kids are just [Removed for Content] that DT won't be their private playground anymore." that got people wrangled.   I in no way direct that at any of the people posting on this thread, and in no way am trying to attack anybody here.  I definately am not trying to attack any poster's ideas by attacking them. What I meant by that statement is there are in some cases going to be jerks out there who are so contemptive of guilds that they disdain, look down upon getting in to do Deathtoll, finish claymore, etc that they will do obnoxious things intentionally to other players, guilds just to wreck their playtime/ hurt their progress for no reason. Some people only want to achieve goals  if they can do it at the expense of others.   You will have some lamers camping Harragar, ganking him for no good reasosn, and then saying "bwahahahahaha".    That's my only point.  All this said, if you need the update, just go get it lol. 

[Bi]

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zjustin2 wrote:... Is this really even a thread?  Whats next?  "Plz make tarinax hailable for his update, he is too hard"  "Omg I have to kill a raid mob for my epic quest!!! what a [Removed for Content]"  "Make a quest instance of deathtoll so I can get my update whenever"  "Plz make a quest instance of palace with only the named mobs we need,  all this named camping is a bottleneck"If you can't camp and kill a mob that spawns every 2-3 days you don't diserve the reward,  doesnt get any more basic than that.  If you put half the time into camping the mob as you do posting about it you would of killed it several times by now.JerobEternal Chaos

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i think its not so much the camping, but that he drops decent loot that is the problem - making him a farm, a contested and a quest mob all rolled into one.Personally I agree that the loot table should be removed. Now that the non-hardcore are catching up (you can pickup raid AoA easily now cos the floors dont respawn) there will be much more camping of haru, and people actually getting updates will become harder and harder (and guilds will be happy to single group him for 1-2 updates thus inadvertantly [Removed for Content] up to 10other people..Difficulty should be inherent, waiting for something to spawn/camping a ph isnt skill, its patience; something that we shouldnt have to spend our time doing on our 'private' personal relaxation time.

[Ishbu]

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Caetrel wrote:
Ishbu it really sounds to me like you are on a cool server.  If all servers were like yours maybe nobody would have started this thread.  There are some jerks out there though. 

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You know, Nektulos has become a farily civilized place.  We all have our little things here or there, and in the heat of the moment things sometimes happen, but for the most part we get along. 

Heh and we used to be the non stop drama nobody has ever heard of us server too.

EDIT - I should add that me and my guild are a bunch of [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]s.  We just dont go out of our way to cause problems.  Conflict arrises in other ways and thats when we go the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] route.  I am sure there is no shortage of people in game, on the boards, hell even the dev's would be willing to step up and say yes, Dissolution are a bunch of jerks.

Message Edited by Ishboozor on 05-26-2006 01:02 PM

[zjusti]

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bieb wrote:

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zjustin2 wrote:... Is this really even a thread?  Whats next?  "Plz make tarinax hailable for his update, he is too hard"  "Omg I have to kill a raid mob for my epic quest!!! what a [Removed for Content]"  "Make a quest instance of deathtoll so I can get my update whenever"  "Plz make a quest instance of palace with only the named mobs we need,  all this named camping is a bottleneck"If you can't camp and kill a mob that spawns every 2-3 days you don't diserve the reward,  doesnt get any more basic than that.  If you put half the time into camping the mob as you do posting about it you would of killed it several times by now.JerobEternal Chaos

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i think its not so much the camping, but that he drops decent loot that is the problem - making him a farm, a contested and a quest mob all rolled into one.Personally I agree that the loot table should be removed. Now that the non-hardcore are catching up (you can pickup raid AoA easily now cos the floors dont respawn) there will be much more camping of haru, and people actually getting updates will become harder and harder (and guilds will be happy to single group him for 1-2 updates thus inadvertantly [Removed for Content] up to 10other people..Difficulty should be inherent, waiting for something to spawn/camping a ph isnt skill, its patience; something that we shouldnt have to spend our time doing on our 'private' personal relaxation time.

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Then beat the other guild to it... If somoene wants it for the loot then just beat them.  If they want a piece of loot off this mob and you get it removed, you're going to have [Removed for Content] on your hands just out of spite.

[KBern]

Yes w/o Naming Players Unmentioned guild tag on our server...we have heard and seen some killing the mob just to kill it knowing what killing this guy does even when it is not needed anymore.

Some guilds work together and still maintain healthy competition where it matters, while others....don't.

[Gornd]

Supposing you go outside central US for the moment here.   Do you really think that people in Korea (who are on the Unrest server now due to the merge), Japan, Asia, Australia, New Zealand, Hawaii, or Europeans playing with their friends on US servers should really need to advance their quest by getting up at some un-godly hour?  Or, if they happen to kill it on their time do you want to have your entire guild wake up for the next few months to get the update during their time? Let's not forget that internet service is not the same around the world.  In many places you pay by the minute you are online.  How much money is required to have this epic skill of camping this mob for the update? Btw, I live in Japan and this bottleneck is still not a wise decision imo. 

[Ishbu]

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Gorndax wrote:
Supposing you go outside central US for the moment here.   Do you really think that people in Korea (who are on the Unrest server now due to the merge), Japan, Asia, Australia, New Zealand, Hawaii, or Europeans playing with their friends on US servers should really need to advance their quest by getting up at some un-godly hour?  Or, if they happen to kill it on their time do you want to have your entire guild wake up for the next few months to get the update during their time?

Let's not forget that internet service is not the same around the world.  In many places you pay by the minute you are online.  How much money is required to have this epic skill of camping this mob for the update?

Btw, I live in Japan and this bottleneck is still not a wise decision imo. 

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Considering he is a random spawn timer, having spawned as early as 36 hours after being killed (I have personally verified this multiple times) it really doesnt seem like that big of an issue.  At the 36 hour mark its exactly 12 hours off his last spawn time so the other side of the world has the better chance at it. 

[Gornd]

So, its between a 36-72 hour window as people say in the thread.  Therefore, if anyone goes there and finds him not up, they have to:

1) Camp the mob with log for 0-72 hours to get the timer

2) Camp the mob from 0-36 hours after you find out when he spawns/was killed.

Average = 72/2 + 36/2 = 54 hours.

 

A fifty-four hour average wait.... thats an awful lot of wasting time for this.  This game is supposed to be fun, I fail to see how this is fun for anyone.  Ragefire all over again.

[Maym]

Najena has 5 guilds doing death toll... maybe six ... 

Today 5 guilds where camping Haraghur .....  All with 14 odd players needing the update ....

This situation is getting mad...  3 weeks personally camping it when time allows..

 

[Beragon]

The question isnt, is an Contested mob ok to put in such a line. Its more when people will notice that such quests been made to different people from others..

 

I.e. This Quest was made same as P2, only the best will optain it not the rest, which is perfect. I dont want to see alot people running around with claymore rewards because its easy. Right now alot Guilds want it, block and such, but in 1-2 month the world looks different, it will be allways the same and wont change. This Quest was made to sort people out, you need only alot patience nothing else..

 

Have DT access, dont means you able to kill Tarinax on first pull, he still need tactic, i.e 2-10 move into the Zone, then again, getting into TD is junk, compared to some Nameds in there. So some of you wont really finish this Quest anyway soon, if you wait 1month more or 2 wont change anything..

 

P.S.: /Sark on, i wait till people post thats its not fair, to put such an evil mob as Tarinax into this Questline, or why anyway need an Access Quest for TD, which need you kill 4 evil Dragons, OMG .. /sark off, sry but its right now this, i mean EQ1 player cryd lesser then you people do and EQ1 was far more harder... some things are hard to optain some dont, thats the point of this game, if you cusual player char that dont raid much, wont get the mob because some guilds camp it, because they need it and can kill tarinax, so be it..

 

 

[Gornd]

The funny thing is that people are posting that people are worried that teh quest rewards will be to common.  Even if we look at hte quest as a whole (which I dont think we should as this is quest with a beginning and an end), then the bottleneck is really Taranix.  No reason for 2 bottlenecks.  If you guild is good enough to kill Taranix then you should be able to get your reward without having to wait for respawns which are retarding ones progresson, not skill.

[Kraks_Aforty]

Sitting on hour 3 of just camping this stupid Gentle Breeze crap, not to count the 20 hours I've already spent camping other crap for this quest.Its completely idiotic how much time this thing requires and how little skill.

[Unmask]

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Maymon wrote:

Najena has 5 guilds doing death toll... maybe six ... 

Today 5 guilds where camping Haraghur .....  All with 14 odd players needing the update ....

This situation is getting mad...  3 weeks personally camping it when time allows..

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What does deathtoll have to do with this?  I've had DT access for a while now but for me questing in POA is just painful so am only on 3rd floor atm and not quite at this point in the claymore series yet.  I don't think Harry has caused much of a problem on my server yet but don't look forward to when I get to it (but good thing I'm a healer ).