Test Update #20a - Testing Feedback - Page 2

Vorzevha · 02-09-2006, 08:41 PM

With stupid changes like this, and the way server merges are going I only have one question...When is Vanguard coming out?

Seregfe · 02-09-2006, 08:47 PM

Vorzevha wrote:With stupid changes like this, and the way server merges are going I only have one question...When is Vanguard coming out?

Sadly to say: Not in the next 2 month. :smileysad:

SniperKitty · 02-09-2006, 08:53 PM

Hah, sometimes it's great not having the coin the throw around on rares like most of you seem to.

Kenazeer · 02-09-2006, 09:03 PM

SniperKitty wrote:Hah, sometimes it's great not having the coin the throw around on rares like most of you seem to.

Hehe. Take your blessings where you can. :smileyhappy:

Notorious_G · 02-09-2006, 09:34 PM

I'm another customer who spent 2 rares, 2 extracts & 20G on 2 imbued strength rings all becasue I believe the buffs stacked. SOE, I understand if you made a mistake & need to rectify it. All I ask is that you give me a way to get my plat back. 4 plat is nothing to sneeze at. Un-attuning is not the answer either. Who wants to buy useless rings?

Oktup · 02-09-2006, 09:34 PM

Ring imbue changes are absolute madness

About as big a nerf as you could get. A 1% to 3% chance of a 45 second proc?!?!!

As a jeweler on live I was realy looking forward to levelling to 69 in order to produce T7 imbued rings but now I really can't see the point. And EVERYONE who has bought a ring is gonna be annoyed

If they are over-powerful then don't let them stack OR make them temporary casts OR both BUT please dont let this go live. I cant think that any of your customers are gonna welcome their currently jewelery being made pointless

Please take note of your customers while you still have some!!

Perfectio · 02-09-2006, 09:45 PM

- Sigil of Heroism will not affect an ally that has a spell from the Amends line on them.Does this also mean that sigil will no longer bug amends?

Message Edited by Perfection^ on 02-09-200608:47 AM

MountainFl · 02-09-2006, 10:03 PM

For those thinking about going to WoW, just wait SOE is turning EQ2 into a WoW clone.

Do not change the way rings currently work. The changes that were made on TEST (20a) have made player made rings useless. I see the proposed change to the rings being a PvP issue to ballance out the classes. I do not intend on playing on a PvP server and in a PvP envrionment.

Triple Black · 02-09-2006, 10:07 PM

How about this.....for imbued rings only.

In Eve Online if you add a module that does the same as a previous module you receive a negative to the bonus. So, let's take the rings for exmaple. Let's say you get two rings that could add a total of 32 str to your character. +16 for each ring. I am just throwing this out.

Since they are the same effect, + to str, then instead of the + 16 from the second ring you get + 8, so instead of 32 you get 24 added to your total str. Again it is just a thought.

jay · 02-09-2006, 10:13 PM

Any word on enchanter changes? We've been pretty patient lately and not starting new threads but you promised you were taking a look at us months ago and still nothing, not even an update.

pera · 02-09-2006, 10:23 PM

MountainFlyr wrote:
For those thinking about going to WoW, just wait SOE is turning EQ2 into a WoW clone.

Do not change the way rings currently work. The changes that were made on TEST (20a) have made player made rings useless. I see the proposed change to the rings being a PvP issue to ballance out the classes. I do not intend on playing on a PvP server and in a PvP envrionment.

I really hope this is not the case. Items and equipement that is/could be used for PvE should never be changed just for PvP to balance out classes.

Message Edited by perano on 02-09-200609:24 AM

Kain · 02-09-2006, 10:25 PM

The change to imbued rings is poor.

Given that you ~just~ changed rings last test -- and are now once again changing them, this time to something completely differant -- it makes it look like you guys do not know what the hell you are doing.

Not trying to flame, bash, or make anyone's mother cry.

Just pointing out the fact that it ~looks~ like you guys do not know what the hell you are doing.

Mgunner · 02-09-2006, 10:51 PM

LOL,

Why are people whinning about the rings and the precious plat they spent on them. While I'm sure that some people never harvest and have no money to buy the rares, but come on, most of these same people who want their money back would have spent another 4pp on a T7 version of the rings anyhow. At least now there will be a market for fabled rings again. I've seen the Shimmering ring of the Djinn drop a few times in PPR and no one felt enough of a need for it to spend points on it. Now that's wrong.

The ring change is good, and much needed.

Finora · 02-10-2006, 12:12 AM

Ring change is NOT good. The rings below t6 aren't even good enough that I have them on my alts.

T6 rings were overpowered. The ones from all the tiers below? Not even a little bit. Sure this is nothing to lvl 60s with cash to toss around, but for the people who aren't who spend what little money they do have on these rings, they have gotten shafted bigtime.

All they have to do to COMPLETELY fix the ring situation is to have imbuing rings change the base stat of the rings a few points to the positive side for whichever stat you are imbuing for. (like maybe 1-6 points for normal items in the tier, slightly more for the rare ones). It could be done. Maybe at the sacrifice of another of the base stats on non-imbued jewelry. But making them proc? And only proc on under conditions that make certain rings completely useless to certain classes is going way too far to the other extreme from the perma buff (which I definately agree was a big mistake).

Heck, they could even have left them as 30 minute buffs, but limit you to having only 1 or 2 up at a time.

pera · 02-10-2006, 12:27 AM

I'll be able to play and test this out more tonight. but with a 1-3%chance to proc is extreamly low for the short duration of the bufffs. Now say if the % chance was closer to 6 - 10 it wouldnt be so bad and the short duration of the buff would make since, and then really i think it would be a great change, but with the % so low and the duration so low the usefull ness of these items (as they stand atm) is very very low.

Wingrider01 · 02-10-2006, 02:19 AM

Vorzevha wrote:With stupid changes like this, and the way server merges are going I only have one question...When is Vanguard coming out?

Vangard is not an option here - go throughly read their FAQs, vangard = 1999 everquest 1 with updated graphics, including contested spawns, 6 hour CR's with no equipment and long runs back to your corpse.

pera · 02-10-2006, 03:20 AM

Wingrider01 wrote:
Vorzevha wrote:With stupid changes like this, and the way server merges are going I only have one question...When is Vanguard coming out?
Vangard is not an option here - go throughly read their FAQs, vangard = 1999 everquest 1 with updated graphics, including contested spawns, 6 hour CR's with no equipment and long runs back to your corpse.

I do have to agree with thi sso far :-/ I've been kind of disapointed with vanguard so far i know its only in early beta but still ....

Wolfgaarr · 02-10-2006, 03:43 AM

Do the math .... first ring change good for regular players to group and kill heroics,bad for people who live to raid so that's 1-0

second ring change is bad for both 0-0 so all around a big 0so don't do it. I have 2 pp left after equipping for lv 55 and making what i have spent in the past worthless makes the game worth less if you get my meaning don't nerf to a point of no return as SOE in this for the return.

jjlo69 · 02-10-2006, 04:42 AM

Ranged Shadowknight spells can now be interrupted as normal

OK ENOUGH IS ENOUGH YOU NOW HAVE NERFED OUR PULLING SPELLS GIVE ME A BREAK ALRDY. I HAVE TESTED THIS AND ONCE AGAIN IT IS A UNNEEDED NERF TO AN ALRDY WEAKENED CLASS TO THE POINT OF I MAY RETIRED MY SHADOWKNIGHT. HOW WOULD YOU DEVS LIKE US TO PULL WITH OUR SRY LVL 59 TAUNT SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY THING WE CAN CAST ON THE RUN NOW. NEED TO FIX ASAP

ZORDIE

60 SK PERMAFROST

sfarugger · 02-10-2006, 04:56 AM

Nerfing the rings is a BAD IDEA....BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD

You have people that spent 4PP+ for these rings, or spent hours and hours harvesting for a full set of cobalt, accessories, and rings....people spent ALOT OF MONEY AND ALOT OF TIME on these items. You are going to [Removed for Content] people off to no end with this SoE....this could REALLY hurt you. You may not take the monetary value into consideration in your decision, but I am telling you, if you do this, you are going to run off even more people. This is not a good idea, and I am a supporter of your product.

You do this and you are going to find your population dropping further...even with a KoS expansion release. I just don't want even LESS population on my server. This is probably the 1st nerf in game that I have seen that has truly worried me. This is not good....

tgrSOLDIER78 · 02-10-2006, 07:40 AM

Balls on Sony's idea with the rings. If they feel they messed them up on the last LU, change it back to the way it was. That was workable, hell I didn't even mind them like that. The stackable thing was nice, but it was overpowered. So go back to how it was. I don't have a toon high enough on test to check this, but it sounds like [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] to me. Hopefully enough people will give them hell and they'll change their bloody minds.

sorinev · 02-10-2006, 07:58 AM

Kainin wrote:
Just pointing out the fact that it ~looks~ like you guys do not know what the hell you are doing.

Seriously. No matter what people say about "its r teh overpowered!!1111one", that had to be a monumental stroke of "brilliance" to make a change like this, only to 1 week later do a 540 (like 180 but worse). Ok, so your teams don't work together when developing new items for a single tier, zone, aspect of the game, etc. But jesus almighty, what was going on here? Does no one but Blackguard read the final, consolidated version of the patch notes before it hits the servers? Do the other teams at least not have a common place to post and share information? Hell, a white board with yellow post-it notes? Come on guys.

AbsentmindedMage · 02-10-2006, 09:16 AM

Update Notes: Qeynos and Freeport Guards will be attackable.Is it possible to make it so that the guards do not drop any loot and provide no xp? Otherwise, you might be setting up a system where people from opposing sides would farm them.

HereticNovalis · 02-10-2006, 10:08 AM

jjlo69 wrote:
Ranged Shadowknight spells can now be interrupted as normal
OK ENOUGH IS ENOUGH YOU NOW HAVE NERFED OUR PULLING SPELLS GIVE ME A BREAK ALRDY. I HAVE TESTED THIS AND ONCE AGAIN IT IS A UNNEEDED NERF TO AN ALRDY WEAKENED CLASS TO THE POINT OF I MAY RETIRED MY SHADOWKNIGHT. HOW WOULD YOU DEVS LIKE US TO PULL WITH OUR SRY LVL 59 TAUNT SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY THING WE CAN CAST ON THE RUN NOW. NEED TO FIX ASAP
ZORDIE
60 SK PERMAFROST

bah, another tank with PET and EVAC and HEAL whining bout being nerfed ... lol

as for the ring issue: i'd prefer the "EVE"-version as stated on page 2 in this thread. changing the behavior of how imbued rings work so soon after they already have been changed looks ... strange - and make them useless. not everyone is farming and mining 8 hours a day to be able to afford the pp for equipment t5/t6

a proc for rings would make things worse, both for crafters and players on live.

(and imbued rings already have been nerfed - at least for tank classes who used to have agi, sta and str buffs running, which is currently no longer possible, the proc-thing is another big nerf, making crafted rings quite obsolete - tho i agree that they were quite overpowered compared to fabled rings.)

if it is only a PvP-issue, try to make the changes only for PvP-servers

another suggestion: lower the stats on imbued rings. so for instance a str-inbued ring would give you +3 agi +3 sta and perma +14,8 str instead of +7/+7/+14,8

Message Edited by HereticNovalis on 02-10-200606:16 AM

Gungo · 02-10-2006, 10:46 AM

Actually most buffs dont stack in game. So when you coudl get 64+ to any stat it was a bit overpower. Anyway i liek the proc changes but i think they should go more like this.

agi rings buff on any attack 5% and and haste 15% for 45secs.

sta rings buff when they get hit 5% and proc a 200hp rune duration 45secs.

int rings proc 5% on any detrimental spell casts and proc a spell debuff neg 250 to all resists and a small DoT 200hp total in 45secs.

str ring buff on any attack 5% and add 15% DPS for 45secs

wis buff proc 5% on any beneficial spell cast and buff 15 to all spell attributes and a small power regen proc 200power total in 45 secs

This may not be to bad if 2 of the same rings stack so 2x 5% should = 10% chance this will also give scouts extra dps or haste, caster more dd or power and tanks more hp's. W/O overpowering craftable items.

Message Edited by Gungo on 02-09-200609:53 PM

Giral · 02-10-2006, 11:33 AM

Ranged Shadowknight spells can now be interrupted as normal

OK ENOUGH IS ENOUGH YOU NOW HAVE NERFED OUR PULLING SPELLS GIVE ME A BREAK ALRDY. I HAVE TESTED THIS AND ONCE AGAIN IT IS A UNNEEDED NERF TO AN ALRDY WEAKENED CLASS TO THE POINT OF I MAY RETIRED MY SHADOWKNIGHT. HOW WOULD YOU DEVS LIKE US TO PULL WITH OUR SRY LVL 59 TAUNT SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY THING WE CAN CAST ON THE RUN NOW. NEED TO FIX ASAP

ZORDIE

yeah We all know Us Shadowknights are Agro God's LOL we know becuase dev's say we are working as intended even tho 98 % of the Highlevel shadowknights have Proven we are not

and to the Guardian that replied about a Pet, Evac , Heal whiner , stick it were the sun don't shine. don't need to here the Most used Tank ingame for Everything Bashing Shadowknight's, GIVE IT UP,

can't belive there are about 50 Some threads 10 + pages long on Various forum's about SK problems and then Low and Behold ANother SK Tuant nerf : (

What is the purpose behind NErfin our Cast'S ? PVP ? PVP isn't suppose to Effect the PVE GAME,

Pokerkid · 02-10-2006, 12:19 PM

This sickens me to no extent. I love eq2 and have constantly back you up SOE with all the changes. Comign from the ffxi world where nothing ever changed it was the same thing over and over it was a very nice change. The thing i loved most about eq2 was teh crafting thouhg,it was so much more real than ffxi. also i could make profit for myself from the get go a feat impossible in ffxi. Now after putting a lot of time into my jeweler i almost want to cry reading these posts. I understand fabled rings should be better than crafted rings, but crafting take a lot of time, patience and hard work. You have to obtain the rare(lots of $$ or time harvesting), level to the recipe teir you want, buy the advanced recipe book (again either lots of time or $$) and then invest in making the item. In my mind that should also reward players with excellent gear! what is the point in crafting at all if you are just gonna make all the desirable gear random drops? I love how you change things and keep the game progressing but I think you might have pushed things a little to far in these last couple moves. There are always gonna be ranters for every change, i dont want change stopped, just thought out. This move will make nobody happy. not the jewelers, not the people with the rings, not nebody. I am all for making fabled rings better than crafted ones, just not like this! just put the rings the way they were and drop the stat increase a very little bit!

MrMartin · 02-10-2006, 12:33 PM

Nainitsuj wrote:
MrMartin wrote:
This is totally crap!After LU 19 I spent 20g on extracts and payed a jeweler 30g to makeme 2 STA imbued beryllium rings JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE PERMANENT!
What a waste...
I could have sticked with the regular beryllium rings I had instead...
Who do you turn to to get your money back!?
When LU 19 came atleast you only made the "swappers" unhappy, now you are making EVERYONE unhappy.
Message Edited by MrMartin on 02-09-200608:34 AM
You people honestly didn't see a nerf coming?

No, why would I? They had just "fixed" it. How the heck would I see a nerf coming a couple of days after the fix!?Money down the drain...

Suraklin · 02-10-2006, 05:16 PM

kyricus wrote:
Keep it up SOE and you will continue to lose players to WoW and D&D Online.
this cracks me up. No one is leaving here for D&D Online. The game isn't even live until later this month, I've been testing that game since Alpha 0. Noone that likes EQ or WoW will like that game. Especially over something as silly as this. If you didn't see it coming, and didn't realize it was a mistake when the stacking was put into place, well then...what can I say.

Agree I beta tested DDO also. That game really sucks. I however will never forgive SOE for what they did to SWG with their stupid NGE. A lot of people who play EQ2 also played SWG and see a lot of stupid ideas coming into this game like SWG had.

Message Edited by Suraklin on 02-10-200604:21 AM

peasant007 · 02-10-2006, 06:10 PM

OMG! Guards can now be killed?!

Say goodbye Deputy Splitshin. I'm getting you and your little dog too.

And it has nothing to do with farming him, or getting XP. He's 20th, and I'm 51st. I just hate him. And Lance.

As for the rings...*shrug* Come on. Spending even 2 platt for a T6 +23 STR ring (with the buff now added) was too good to be true. I bought those rings way before the last patch, and thought they were pretty nice. +7 STR and +7 DEX rings is what I got. I'm an effing halfing SK, I need all the STR boosts I can get. I'm not overly concerned about a boo boo they made, and now have to backtrack.

Message Edited by peasant007 on 02-10-200607:17 AM

02-09-2006, 08:53 PM	#33
SniperKitty Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 297	Hah, sometimes it's great not having the coin the throw around on rares like most of you seem to. __________________ ... in bed.

02-09-2006, 09:03 PM	#34
Kenazeer Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,178	SniperKitty wrote:Hah, sometimes it's great not having the coin the throw around on rares like most of you seem to. Hehe. Take your blessings where you can. :smileyhappy: __________________ Come play EQ2...we have SOEmote, Dungeon Finder, and Dungeon Maker.

02-09-2006, 09:45 PM	#37
Perfectio General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 33	- Sigil of Heroism will not affect an ally that has a spell from the Amends line on them.Does this also mean that sigil will no longer bug amends? Message Edited by Perfection^ on 02-09-200608:47 AM __________________ Heaylius - 70 Paladin on Splitpaw www.fable-guild.org

02-09-2006, 10:23 PM	#41
pera Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 433	MountainFlyr wrote: For those thinking about going to WoW, just wait SOE is turning EQ2 into a WoW clone. Do not change the way rings currently work. The changes that were made on TEST (20a) have made player made rings useless. I see the proposed change to the rings being a PvP issue to ballance out the classes. I do not intend on playing on a PvP server and in a PvP envrionment. I really hope this is not the case. Items and equipement that is/could be used for PvE should never be changed just for PvP to balance out classes. Message Edited by perano on 02-09-200609:24 AM __________________ - Igus 70 Dirge, Second Dawn Best Quote Ever: "BREAKING: New York subways smell funny"

02-09-2006, 10:51 PM	#43
Mgunner Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 225	LOL, Why are people whinning about the rings and the precious plat they spent on them. While I'm sure that some people never harvest and have no money to buy the rares, but come on, most of these same people who want their money back would have spent another 4pp on a T7 version of the rings anyhow. At least now there will be a market for fabled rings again. I've seen the Shimmering ring of the Djinn drop a few times in PPR and no one felt enough of a need for it to spend points on it. Now that's wrong. The ring change is good, and much needed. __________________

02-09-2006, 08:41 PM	#31
Vorzevha Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5	With stupid changes like this, and the way server merges are going I only have one question...When is Vanguard coming out?

02-09-2006, 08:47 PM	#32
Seregfe Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 31	Vorzevha wrote:With stupid changes like this, and the way server merges are going I only have one question...When is Vanguard coming out? Sadly to say: Not in the next 2 month. :smileysad:

02-09-2006, 09:34 PM	#35
Notorious_G Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 49	I'm another customer who spent 2 rares, 2 extracts & 20G on 2 imbued strength rings all becasue I believe the buffs stacked. SOE, I understand if you made a mistake & need to rectify it. All I ask is that you give me a way to get my plat back. 4 plat is nothing to sneeze at. Un-attuning is not the answer either. Who wants to buy useless rings?

02-09-2006, 09:34 PM	#36
Oktup Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 5	Ring imbue changes are absolute madness About as big a nerf as you could get. A 1% to 3% chance of a 45 second proc?!?!! As a jeweler on live I was realy looking forward to levelling to 69 in order to produce T7 imbued rings but now I really can't see the point. And EVERYONE who has bought a ring is gonna be annoyed If they are over-powerful then don't let them stack OR make them temporary casts OR both BUT please dont let this go live. I cant think that any of your customers are gonna welcome their currently jewelery being made pointless Please take note of your customers while you still have some!!

02-09-2006, 10:03 PM	#38
MountainFl Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 14	For those thinking about going to WoW, just wait SOE is turning EQ2 into a WoW clone. Do not change the way rings currently work. The changes that were made on TEST (20a) have made player made rings useless. I see the proposed change to the rings being a PvP issue to ballance out the classes. I do not intend on playing on a PvP server and in a PvP envrionment.

02-09-2006, 10:07 PM	#39
Triple Black Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 53	How about this.....for imbued rings only. In Eve Online if you add a module that does the same as a previous module you receive a negative to the bonus. So, let's take the rings for exmaple. Let's say you get two rings that could add a total of 32 str to your character. +16 for each ring. I am just throwing this out. Since they are the same effect, + to str, then instead of the + 16 from the second ring you get + 8, so instead of 32 you get 24 added to your total str. Again it is just a thought.

02-09-2006, 10:13 PM	#40
jay Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 9	Any word on enchanter changes? We've been pretty patient lately and not starting new threads but you promised you were taking a look at us months ago and still nothing, not even an update.

02-09-2006, 10:25 PM	#42
Kain General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 12	The change to imbued rings is poor. Given that you ~just~ changed rings last test -- and are now once again changing them, this time to something completely differant -- it makes it look like you guys do not know what the hell you are doing. Not trying to flame, bash, or make anyone's mother cry. Just pointing out the fact that it ~looks~ like you guys do not know what the hell you are doing.

02-10-2006, 12:12 AM	#44
Finora Tester Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,423	Ring change is NOT good. The rings below t6 aren't even good enough that I have them on my alts. T6 rings were overpowered. The ones from all the tiers below? Not even a little bit. Sure this is nothing to lvl 60s with cash to toss around, but for the people who aren't who spend what little money they do have on these rings, they have gotten shafted bigtime. All they have to do to COMPLETELY fix the ring situation is to have imbuing rings change the base stat of the rings a few points to the positive side for whichever stat you are imbuing for. (like maybe 1-6 points for normal items in the tier, slightly more for the rare ones). It could be done. Maybe at the sacrifice of another of the base stats on non-imbued jewelry. But making them proc? And only proc on under conditions that make certain rings completely useless to certain classes is going way too far to the other extreme from the perma buff (which I definately agree was a big mistake). Heck, they could even have left them as 30 minute buffs, but limit you to having only 1 or 2 up at a time. __________________ Lady Finora Mystic of Prism Everfrost(Grobb) Finora of Valiant Knights Test Server

02-10-2006, 12:27 AM	#45
pera Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 433	I'll be able to play and test this out more tonight. but with a 1-3%chance to proc is extreamly low for the short duration of the bufffs. Now say if the % chance was closer to 6 - 10 it wouldnt be so bad and the short duration of the buff would make since, and then really i think it would be a great change, but with the % so low and the duration so low the usefull ness of these items (as they stand atm) is very very low. __________________ - Igus 70 Dirge, Second Dawn Best Quote Ever: "BREAKING: New York subways smell funny"

02-10-2006, 02:19 AM	#46
Wingrider01 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,999	Vorzevha wrote:With stupid changes like this, and the way server merges are going I only have one question...When is Vanguard coming out? Vangard is not an option here - go throughly read their FAQs, vangard = 1999 everquest 1 with updated graphics, including contested spawns, 6 hour CR's with no equipment and long runs back to your corpse. __________________ Fixing computer issues, one SOC7 at a time. Yes Jim, the user has experienced the dreaded PICNIC error

02-10-2006, 03:20 AM	#47
pera Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 433	Wingrider01 wrote: Vorzevha wrote:With stupid changes like this, and the way server merges are going I only have one question...When is Vanguard coming out? Vangard is not an option here - go throughly read their FAQs, vangard = 1999 everquest 1 with updated graphics, including contested spawns, 6 hour CR's with no equipment and long runs back to your corpse. I do have to agree with thi sso far :-/ I've been kind of disapointed with vanguard so far i know its only in early beta but still .... __________________ - Igus 70 Dirge, Second Dawn Best Quote Ever: "BREAKING: New York subways smell funny"

02-10-2006, 03:43 AM	#48
Wolfgaarr Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 30	Do the math .... first ring change good for regular players to group and kill heroics,bad for people who live to raid so that's 1-0 second ring change is bad for both 0-0 so all around a big 0so don't do it. I have 2 pp left after equipping for lv 55 and making what i have spent in the past worthless makes the game worth less if you get my meaning don't nerf to a point of no return as SOE in this for the return.

02-10-2006, 04:42 AM	#49
jjlo69 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 364	Ranged Shadowknight spells can now be interrupted as normal OK ENOUGH IS ENOUGH YOU NOW HAVE NERFED OUR PULLING SPELLS GIVE ME A BREAK ALRDY. I HAVE TESTED THIS AND ONCE AGAIN IT IS A UNNEEDED NERF TO AN ALRDY WEAKENED CLASS TO THE POINT OF I MAY RETIRED MY SHADOWKNIGHT. HOW WOULD YOU DEVS LIKE US TO PULL WITH OUR SRY LVL 59 TAUNT SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY THING WE CAN CAST ON THE RUN NOW. NEED TO FIX ASAP ZORDIE 60 SK PERMAFROST

02-10-2006, 04:56 AM	#50
sfarugger Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 185	Nerfing the rings is a BAD IDEA....BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD You have people that spent 4PP+ for these rings, or spent hours and hours harvesting for a full set of cobalt, accessories, and rings....people spent ALOT OF MONEY AND ALOT OF TIME on these items. You are going to [Removed for Content] people off to no end with this SoE....this could REALLY hurt you. You may not take the monetary value into consideration in your decision, but I am telling you, if you do this, you are going to run off even more people. This is not a good idea, and I am a supporter of your product. You do this and you are going to find your population dropping further...even with a KoS expansion release. I just don't want even LESS population on my server. This is probably the 1st nerf in game that I have seen that has truly worried me. This is not good....

02-10-2006, 07:40 AM	#51
tgrSOLDIER78 Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: CA Posts: 13	Balls on Sony's idea with the rings. If they feel they messed them up on the last LU, change it back to the way it was. That was workable, hell I didn't even mind them like that. The stackable thing was nice, but it was overpowered. So go back to how it was. I don't have a toon high enough on test to check this, but it sounds like [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] to me. Hopefully enough people will give them hell and they'll change their bloody minds.

02-10-2006, 07:58 AM	#52
sorinev Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 258	Kainin wrote: Just pointing out the fact that it ~looks~ like you guys do not know what the hell you are doing. Seriously. No matter what people say about "its r teh overpowered!!1111one", that had to be a monumental stroke of "brilliance" to make a change like this, only to 1 week later do a 540 (like 180 but worse). Ok, so your teams don't work together when developing new items for a single tier, zone, aspect of the game, etc. But jesus almighty, what was going on here? Does no one but Blackguard read the final, consolidated version of the patch notes before it hits the servers? Do the other teams at least not have a common place to post and share information? Hell, a white board with yellow post-it notes? Come on guys. __________________ _______________________________________ Lavastorm Server. R.I.P. 70 Fury, 70 Jeweler. old school Fury, rolled 12/10/04 90 Brigand, 90 Armorer LU13 Fury bandwagon FTL.

02-10-2006, 09:16 AM	#53
AbsentmindedMage Loremaster Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 362	Update Notes: Qeynos and Freeport Guards will be attackable.Is it possible to make it so that the guards do not drop any loot and provide no xp? Otherwise, you might be setting up a system where people from opposing sides would farm them.

02-10-2006, 10:08 AM	#54
HereticNovalis Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 44	jjlo69 wrote: Ranged Shadowknight spells can now be interrupted as normal OK ENOUGH IS ENOUGH YOU NOW HAVE NERFED OUR PULLING SPELLS GIVE ME A BREAK ALRDY. I HAVE TESTED THIS AND ONCE AGAIN IT IS A UNNEEDED NERF TO AN ALRDY WEAKENED CLASS TO THE POINT OF I MAY RETIRED MY SHADOWKNIGHT. HOW WOULD YOU DEVS LIKE US TO PULL WITH OUR SRY LVL 59 TAUNT SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY THING WE CAN CAST ON THE RUN NOW. NEED TO FIX ASAP ZORDIE 60 SK PERMAFROST bah, another tank with PET and EVAC and HEAL whining bout being nerfed ... lol as for the ring issue: i'd prefer the "EVE"-version as stated on page 2 in this thread. changing the behavior of how imbued rings work so soon after they already have been changed looks ... strange - and make them useless. not everyone is farming and mining 8 hours a day to be able to afford the pp for equipment t5/t6 a proc for rings would make things worse, both for crafters and players on live. (and imbued rings already have been nerfed - at least for tank classes who used to have agi, sta and str buffs running, which is currently no longer possible, the proc-thing is another big nerf, making crafted rings quite obsolete - tho i agree that they were quite overpowered compared to fabled rings.) if it is only a PvP-issue, try to make the changes only for PvP-servers another suggestion: lower the stats on imbued rings. so for instance a str-inbued ring would give you +3 agi +3 sta and perma +14,8 str instead of +7/+7/+14,8 Message Edited by HereticNovalis on 02-10-200606:16 AM

02-10-2006, 10:46 AM	#55
Gungo Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Crushbone Posts: 5,378	Actually most buffs dont stack in game. So when you coudl get 64+ to any stat it was a bit overpower. Anyway i liek the proc changes but i think they should go more like this. agi rings buff on any attack 5% and and haste 15% for 45secs. sta rings buff when they get hit 5% and proc a 200hp rune duration 45secs. int rings proc 5% on any detrimental spell casts and proc a spell debuff neg 250 to all resists and a small DoT 200hp total in 45secs. str ring buff on any attack 5% and add 15% DPS for 45secs wis buff proc 5% on any beneficial spell cast and buff 15 to all spell attributes and a small power regen proc 200power total in 45 secs This may not be to bad if 2 of the same rings stack so 2x 5% should = 10% chance this will also give scouts extra dps or haste, caster more dd or power and tanks more hp's. W/O overpowering craftable items. Message Edited by Gungo on 02-09-200609:53 PM

02-10-2006, 11:33 AM	#56
Giral General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 894	Ranged Shadowknight spells can now be interrupted as normal OK ENOUGH IS ENOUGH YOU NOW HAVE NERFED OUR PULLING SPELLS GIVE ME A BREAK ALRDY. I HAVE TESTED THIS AND ONCE AGAIN IT IS A UNNEEDED NERF TO AN ALRDY WEAKENED CLASS TO THE POINT OF I MAY RETIRED MY SHADOWKNIGHT. HOW WOULD YOU DEVS LIKE US TO PULL WITH OUR SRY LVL 59 TAUNT SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY THING WE CAN CAST ON THE RUN NOW. NEED TO FIX ASAP ZORDIE yeah We all know Us Shadowknights are Agro God's LOL we know becuase dev's say we are working as intended even tho 98 % of the Highlevel shadowknights have Proven we are not and to the Guardian that replied about a Pet, Evac , Heal whiner , stick it were the sun don't shine. don't need to here the Most used Tank ingame for Everything Bashing Shadowknight's, GIVE IT UP, can't belive there are about 50 Some threads 10 + pages long on Various forum's about SK problems and then Low and Behold ANother SK Tuant nerf : ( What is the purpose behind NErfin our Cast'S ? PVP ? PVP isn't suppose to Effect the PVE GAME, __________________ who's more of a Fool, the fool or the fool who follows the fool. . . Account Terminated as of 12-27-08, RMT=Evil

02-10-2006, 12:19 PM	#57
Pokerkid Lord Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 7	This sickens me to no extent. I love eq2 and have constantly back you up SOE with all the changes. Comign from the ffxi world where nothing ever changed it was the same thing over and over it was a very nice change. The thing i loved most about eq2 was teh crafting thouhg,it was so much more real than ffxi. also i could make profit for myself from the get go a feat impossible in ffxi. Now after putting a lot of time into my jeweler i almost want to cry reading these posts. I understand fabled rings should be better than crafted rings, but crafting take a lot of time, patience and hard work. You have to obtain the rare(lots of $$ or time harvesting), level to the recipe teir you want, buy the advanced recipe book (again either lots of time or $$) and then invest in making the item. In my mind that should also reward players with excellent gear! what is the point in crafting at all if you are just gonna make all the desirable gear random drops? I love how you change things and keep the game progressing but I think you might have pushed things a little to far in these last couple moves. There are always gonna be ranters for every change, i dont want change stopped, just thought out. This move will make nobody happy. not the jewelers, not the people with the rings, not nebody. I am all for making fabled rings better than crafted ones, just not like this! just put the rings the way they were and drop the stat increase a very little bit!

02-10-2006, 12:33 PM	#58
MrMartin Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 155	Nainitsuj wrote: MrMartin wrote: This is totally crap!After LU 19 I spent 20g on extracts and payed a jeweler 30g to makeme 2 STA imbued beryllium rings JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE PERMANENT! What a waste... I could have sticked with the regular beryllium rings I had instead... Who do you turn to to get your money back!? When LU 19 came atleast you only made the "swappers" unhappy, now you are making EVERYONE unhappy. Message Edited by MrMartin on 02-09-200608:34 AM You people honestly didn't see a nerf coming? No, why would I? They had just "fixed" it. How the heck would I see a nerf coming a couple of days after the fix!?Money down the drain... __________________ Ecum - 80 Necromancer Lekoaf - 75 Guardian Pooc - 73 Bruiser/80 Alchemist Member of Mythic Legion of Runnyeye

02-10-2006, 05:16 PM	#59
Suraklin Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 350	kyricus wrote: Keep it up SOE and you will continue to lose players to WoW and D&D Online. this cracks me up. No one is leaving here for D&D Online. The game isn't even live until later this month, I've been testing that game since Alpha 0. Noone that likes EQ or WoW will like that game. Especially over something as silly as this. If you didn't see it coming, and didn't realize it was a mistake when the stacking was put into place, well then...what can I say. Agree I beta tested DDO also. That game really sucks. I however will never forgive SOE for what they did to SWG with their stupid NGE. A lot of people who play EQ2 also played SWG and see a lot of stupid ideas coming into this game like SWG had. Message Edited by Suraklin on 02-10-200604:21 AM __________________ Relax...it's just an update for the patch to fix the nerf that nerfed the fix for the update of the patch that broke the fix that was fixed on the previous nerf they called an update... Friends don't let friends ask for another classes nerf.

02-10-2006, 06:10 PM	#60
peasant007 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 48	OMG! Guards can now be killed?! Say goodbye Deputy Splitshin. I'm getting you and your little dog too. And it has nothing to do with farming him, or getting XP. He's 20th, and I'm 51st. I just hate him. And Lance. As for the rings...shrug Come on. Spending even 2 platt for a T6 +23 STR ring (with the buff now added) was too good to be true. I bought those rings way before the last patch, and thought they were pretty nice. +7 STR and +7 DEX rings is what I got. I'm an effing halfing SK, I need all the STR boosts I can get. I'm not overly concerned about a boo boo they made, and now have to backtrack. Message Edited by peasant007 on 02-10-200607:17 AM __________________ ~peasant007 57 Halfling Shadowknight-Unrest The most adorable Halfling Shadowknight in all of Norrath! 56 Ratonga Necromancer~Unrest