PLS make it so i can change my race with the betrayal quest

[KBern]

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wayward wrote:

I plan on going from paly to sk and  i want to be a troll.  Im now a barbarian.  Please add this to the game.  Seens  like it wouldnt be a big deal for you devs to do this.  Has anyone heard of this being done soon?  Thankyou 

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There is no reason to ever allow anyone to change race.  If you dont like your race, make a new character.  Changing class is enough, being able to adjust your looks is a bit far in my opinion, but they allow that, but changing race should never be allowed.

[Terabethia]

This is a game, a virtual and unrealistic game. A fantasy one at that. So I won't bother to argue that it can't be done, as we all know that it can.

 

However, with that said, I will argue that it shouldn't be done. First, the Dev's hate the idea. In fact, if memory serves me correctly, this was brought up at the Fan Faire and was shot down by every dev on the panel. They don't want it, and it will never happen. Also, I am willing to bet that the vast majority of the player base either doesn't want this allowed, or just don't care. So I doubt that SoE will waste their time with something that the majority of people will ignore, seeing as how race means very little to your characters abilities other than from the lore standpoint.

 

As for the argument of "Well, they added betrayal, why not this?" That's easy to answer. They had to add betrayal. With all the combat revamps and things of that nature, a lot of people have found that the character they started almost 2 years ago is not the one that they are playing today. And many people have requested this ability, and even then, it is very restricted. You can only go from the good to evil/evil to good counterparts. There is no "opposite" when it comes to race. And for a realistic standpoint, in RL you can change your profession, you can become a doctor when you were a lawyer for 15 years. But you can't suddenly become a Mexican after being an Italian for your whole life.

 

As it is now, you have several options to "change" your race. You can get the eyes, and from there become ANY of the races that exist. You can do the HQ and get the dark elf mask. You can even do a quest from the Bloodline AP and become a vampire. While none are permanent, you have many options which do not require a reroll of your character. If you are truely unhappy however, rerolling (yes, you don't want to hear it, I get it!) is your ONLY true option, and always will be. Sorry.  

[illaria]

which HQ lets you turn into a dark elf?

[Gaj]

missing mask in Nektropos Castle.

[illaria]

sweet I will have to go back and do that quest

[Wrytched]

When EQ2 came out... players were given a choice to be any race/class combination we wanted. 

 

Sony took away the restrictions.  There were advantages and disadvantages depending on what you created.   There were extremely limited racial traits (water/night/infrared vision) to make this even more ballanced.

 

There is no way they can allow a race change.  I'm sorry that people are lazy, and that they want everything handed to them.

 

 

[illaria]

Edited: I was being snotty

Message Edited by illaria on 06-12-2006 02:05 PM

[Wrytched]

You're most welcome, but please, be fair, and quote the entire post.

If you look, I explained the whole balancing and removal of racial traits that took place to allow players to select any race/class combination.

I'm sorry if that wasn't insightful enough for you.

Racial traits such as regen, immune to stun, faster swimming ect were dropped to allow players more freedom in selecting the combination they wanted.

Now, 10, 20, 30... 60, 70 levels later some players decide they're bored and they want to basically trade their character in for another.

I'm sorry, but the point of a game is to build your character from the ground up.  Select the gear, skills, enhancements as well as all the culture that goes along with it.  Hopefully if they do introduce religion/gods into the game, they will be as open as they were with character development.

[Sir Blig]

/respect

If such a thing was ever allowed you would lose the benefits from your previous race and gain/have to choose the ones for the new race,
 
IE old race's eye's allow seeing in the dark new ones don’t so toon cant as new race,
 
How was /respec ever justified based on lore, how was any of the things that alow people to change past events justified (character look etc)....
 
How is it that a small character can put on a piece of armor take it off pass it to a Barbarian and the barbarian is able to put it on without having to take it to an armor smith to have it re-sized. oooo magic

What if a mage decided he wanted to research the spell to do it, would the gods come running back to stop him of would a dimensional being (dev) pop in a rewrite his mind so he no longer wanted to do it.

Yup the answer is no but who knows what the future holds other things have been no and will never happen to start.

[Raveller]

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illaria wrote:
Where did the devs say this as we have a very long thead down in the EoF board asking the same thing. It would be cool if there was a change race quest. It could tie in to the new lore you ask your god for a boon and in order to change races you have to do a VERY long quest.

I have a lvl 52 char and I would love if i could switch her to a half-elf

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This is very easily done. There already is a very long and complex quest that will let you do this very thing. In fact, you can do this quest no matter what race/class/gender your character currently is, and no matter what race/class/gender you want your character to become. But, I must warn you, this quest is very long, very complex, and will cost your character dearly in terms of virtual items possessed. In fact, it will cost your character everything he or she currently possesses in the game.

WARNING: QUEST SPOILER FOLLOWS!!!! DO NOT READ ANY FURTHER IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO KNOW ALL THE SECRETS OF THE CHARACTER RACE/CLASS/GENDER CHANGE QUEST!!! 

Step 1: This quest begins by logging your character into the game. You are your own quest giver. Simply log in as your character, and say a brief good-bye to the world around you. You may want to speak with the friends you have made in-game and let them know that you will be undergoing some 'unusual' changes and you will never be your old self again, but they should accept and welcome you since although you will be very different on the outside, you will still be the same you on the inside. (You may want to leave some of your most valued (unattuned) items with trusted friends. Also put some stuff you want to keep in your shared bank slots, but don't leave anything in your house or your regular bank slots, since those items must be sacrificed to begin the quest.)

Step 2: Enter a mysterious realm called 'Character Select'. You've been there many times, so I'm sure you know the way.

Step 3: Activate the magic device marked 'Delete', and invoke your character's name to accept the quest. Warning: Once you begin the quest, you may not delete this quest from your quest journal.

Step 4: Cast 'Create Character'. Select the race of your new character, starting city and class. Work with the gawds to determine what your character will look like, give your character the same name you had before and choose the same 'server' to play on (otherwise you won't really be on your quest, you'd just be re-rolling on a different server) and enter either the Queen's Colony or the Overlord's Outpost.

Congratulations. You have started your very long, very hard quest to change the race/class/gender of your level 52 character.

Enjoy, and happy adventuring!!!!

[illaria]

OH WOW, that is possible? I didnt know that, you have given me an option I didnt know existed.If you dont like the idea feel free to say so but please dont give us useless information, we all know we can re-roll a character.Raveller wrote:This is very easily done. There already is a very long and complex quest that will let you do this very thing. In fact, you can do this quest no matter what race/class/gender your character currently is, and no matter what race/class/gender you want your character to become. But, I must warn you, this quest is very long, very complex, and will cost your character dearly in terms of virtual items possessed. In fact, it will cost your character everything he or she currently possesses in the game.

WARNING: QUEST SPOILER FOLLOWS!!!! DO NOT READ ANY FURTHER IF YOU DO NOT WANT TO KNOW ALL THE SECRETS OF THE CHARACTER RACE/CLASS/GENDER CHANGE QUEST!!! 

Step 1: This quest begins by logging your character into the game. You are your own quest giver. Simply log in as your character, and say a brief good-bye to the world around you. You may want to speak with the friends you have made in-game and let them know that you will be undergoing some 'unusual' changes and you will never be your old self again, but they should accept and welcome you since although you will be very different on the outside, you will still be the same you on the inside. (You may want to leave some of your most valued (unattuned) items with trusted friends. Also put some stuff you want to keep in your shared bank slots, but don't leave anything in your house or your regular bank slots, since those items must be sacrificed to begin the quest.)

Step 2: Enter a mysterious realm called 'Character Select'. You've been there many times, so I'm sure you know the way.

Step 3: Activate the magic device marked 'Delete', and invoke your character's name to accept the quest. Warning: Once you begin the quest, you may not delete this quest from your quest journal.

Step 4: Cast 'Create Character'. Select the race of your new character, starting city and class. Work with the gawds to determine what your character will look like, give your character the same name you had before and choose the same 'server' to play on (otherwise you won't really be on your quest, you'd just be re-rolling on a different server) and enter either the Queen's Colony or the Overlord's Outpost.

Congratulations. You have started your very long, very hard quest to change the race/class/gender of your level 52 character.

Enjoy, and happy adventuring!!!!

[DobyMT]

You people with your [Removed for Content] remarks don't get it. You obviously haven't put 18-24 months into this game and one toon. I don't personally want to change my race, but if there is a class betrayal, respec, AA respec, and basically oopsies for every single choice we can make in the game, then racial transition shouldn't matter. All of you just nchime in with some [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] remark about re-roll....ec. [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] that. You don't understand the work into one character obviously, and realistically, if you aren't going to provide anything else than ... delete and re-roll, just keep your own moronic ideas to yourselves, and let someone ask the devs for something that they want to ask for.

[Raveller]

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DobyMT wrote:
You people with your [Removed for Content] remarks don't get it. You obviously haven't put 18-24 months into this game and one toon. I don't personally want to change my race, but if there is a class betrayal, respec, AA respec, and basically oopsies for every single choice we can make in the game, then racial transition shouldn't matter.
All of you just nchime in with some [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] remark about re-roll....ec. [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] that. You don't understand the work into one character obviously, and realistically, if you aren't going to provide anything else than ... delete and re-roll, just keep your own moronic ideas to yourselves, and let someone ask the devs for something that they want to ask for.

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Seems to me that you're the [Removed for Content] for spending 18 months playing a character you don't like. Why did you waste so much time being miserable when you could have re-rolled long before you reached 70th level?

[illaria]

Thanks DobyMT, you seem to be the only person who realizes how frustrating and annoying it is when people just give the stupid advice to just re-roll.If the dev's never put this quest in I will just stick with the race I am, but it does not hurt to ask.

[illaria]

Neither Doby or I ever said we "HATED" our characters. I personally just dont care for the furry look anymore, if the devs never put this quest in I am not going to stomp my foot and declare to get back at SOE by quitting the game. If this quest is never put in I will continue to level my kerra up to level 70 while enjoying the game.  The world seems to be very black and white to you, either we must love our characters to the point of obsession or we hate them? Anyone would be a [Removed for Content] for continuing to play a character they hated but you dont seem to realize we can enjoy the game but wish our character was different.Raveller wrote:Seems to me that you're the [Removed for Content] for spending 18 months playing a character you don't like. Why did you waste so much time being miserable when you could have re-rolled long before you reached 70th level?

[Renpatsu]

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Raveller wrote:...

Seems to me that you're the [Removed for Content] for spending 18 months playing a character you don't like. Why did you waste so much time being miserable when you could have re-rolled long before you reached 70th level?

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Read DobyMT's posts again: 'I don't personally want to change my race ...'. And I basically agree with DobyMT, why is stupid to ask for a race change ?If you got a different opinion, state your opinion and post why it is your opinion. The boards are all about discussion.My opinion is, that I don't want to see a race change implemented. That's highly due to roleplaying and because I think the race is one attribute which should be fixed, at least regarding long term changes - illusions are ok. I can hardly imagine my dark elf conjy praying to Innoruuk or Tunare to change her race. Well, I still don't know how I'll cope with the return of the gods.Edited: Used a wrong word

Message Edited by Renpatsu on 06-13-2006 10:24 AM

[illaria]

Or you could take it as a challenge :smileytongue: Imagine trying to come up with a roleplaying story on why you went from dark elf to ogre (alothough why one would want to make that change is beyone me :smileyhappy:)Thanks for your postRenpatsu wrote:My opinion is, that I don't want to see a race change implemented. That's highly due to roleplaying and because I think the race is one attribute which should be fixed, at least regarding long term changes

[Cynto]

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DobyMT wrote:
You people with your [Removed for Content] remarks don't get it. You obviously haven't put 18-24 months into this game and one toon. I don't personally want to change my race, but if there is a class betrayal, respec, AA respec, and basically oopsies for every single choice we can make in the game, then racial transition shouldn't matter.
All of you just nchime in with some [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] remark about re-roll....ec. [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] that. You don't understand the work into one character obviously, and realistically, if you aren't going to provide anything else than ... delete and re-roll, just keep your own moronic ideas to yourselves, and let someone ask the devs for something that they want to ask for.

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Seeing as I was one of the people making "[Removed for Content] remarks" about needing to re-roll (personally I thought I was rather nice about how I gave my opinion, but you're using blanket statements so I will too) I figure I'll give you my opinion on this.

I have played this game since about a week after it released, and I still have the same main charachter that I had when I first started this game, and that charachter is now level 70. That having been said, if I suddenly felt that I hated my class, or my carachter race enough that I did not want to play the charachter anymore, or felt that I didn't enjoy playing him, I would just make a new charachter.

The important part of that last statement is that I would have to not like playing him anymore, or be really upset with some part of him, even if it was just his race. The thing is, it seems to me that most of the people asking for this sort of thing don't really dislike their charachter race all that much, they're more bored with it than anything. I could be wrong in this, but honestly, if the person REALLY hated their race that much I doubt it would be a problem for them to reroll and start from scratch. I don't have a problem with the Class change quest because of the fact that SoE themselves have changed the classes drastically in some instances so that it is no longer the class that many picked. In that case then people should be given a chance to change their charachter within reason, without having to start from scratch.

The races however have not changed at all and therefore I don't see the reason to put in a quest for it. If someone honestly played a charachter that they were not happy with all the way up through level 50+ that is not the developers fault, and I personally don't see the reason for them to spend the time on making a quest when there are many other things that need to be fixed first.

Again, if I honestly hated my charachter that i've played since launch I would just create a new one and start from scratch, perhaps i'm wierd in that way, but as it stands this game is almost constantly in flux, as it has had way more changes to it in such a short time period than any other MMO i've ever played, and I don't think it needs yet another part of it to be changeable at whim, even through a hard quest.

[illaria]

As I posted above, where in any of my posts did i say I hated my character.Just because I wish to change my race it doesnt mean I hate my character, if SOE never puts this quest in I will continue to play the race that the toon currently is.Cynot wrote:if I suddenly felt that I hated my class, or my carachter race enough that I did not want to play the charachter anymore, or felt that I didn't enjoy playing him, I would just make a new charachter.

[Terabethia]

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DobyMT wrote:
You people with your [Removed for Content] remarks don't get it. You obviously haven't put 18-24 months into this game and one toon. I don't personally want to change my race, but if there is a class betrayal, respec, AA respec, and basically oopsies for every single choice we can make in the game, then racial transition shouldn't matter.
All of you just nchime in with some [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] remark about re-roll....ec. [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] that. You don't understand the work into one character obviously, and realistically, if you aren't going to provide anything else than ... delete and re-roll, just keep your own moronic ideas to yourselves, and let someone ask the devs for something that they want to ask for.

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While some of the remarks may come off as being [Removed for Content] (though funny IMO!), it is your ONLY option. And from what I can tell, it always will be. This request keeps getting rehashed, so at this point, either stop beating the dead horse or realize that some people has long since stopped taking it seriousally.

As far as your comments, I have played this game from DAY ONE, which has been about 18 months. (Hasn't even been out for 2 years, btw...). I have probably put more time/effort into my character than a lot of people, because I choose to be a hardcore raider. It's something I love, and give up so much time in RL that it seems EQ2 is a second full-time job. But I know how attached you can become to a character, and how much time you can invest into one. But even still, I don't think that you should ever be able to change your race. If you don't like it now, chances are you never really cared for it. With the respects (for abilties and AA's) and the betrayal, these are all done because of changes made to those aspects of the game. So if SoE decides to change the way some AA's work, they also need to allow you to choose other options along with that change. It's only fair. They were not "oopsies" as you so maturely put it, they were noticeable changes made by the Dev's. Those sorts of changes have not been made to races, at least not in any game breaking way. So there is no need to allow this to happen.

[Cynto]

 

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illaria wrote:
As I posted above, where in any of my posts did i say I hated my character.

Just because I wish to change my race it doesnt mean I hate my character, if SOE never puts this quest in I will continue to play the race that the toon currently is.


Cynot wrote:
if I suddenly felt that I hated my class, or my carachter race enough that I did not want to play the charachter anymore, or felt that I didn't enjoy playing him, I would just make a new charachter.

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You totally missed the part where I said this - "The thing is, it seems to me that most of the people asking for this sort of thing don't really dislike their charachter race all that much, they're more bored with it than anything."

Yes, I used the word "hate" in there, but thats because I would actually have to "hate" (Aka - severely dislike) some part of my charachter to actually want to have them impliment a process through which I could change it. In the future I will use the word "dislike" instead, since when I use the word "hate" you overlook the rest of the points in my post.

Message Edited by Cynto on 06-13-2006 01:46 PM

[illaria]

Perhaps the moderators should make a post with a list of items/issues that have been discussed far to much w/ SOEs official stance and say if any threads about the following topics are posted they will be automattically locked.I only just recently started reading the forums and so it might help issues from being rehashed every few months.If anyone can point to a dev thread stating that this quest will never be put in I would be happy to stop discussing it.

[Cynto]

Hate to say it, but if they havn't responded to this one, or the 4+ pager in the EoF forums, odds are they aren't going to, though I could be wrong. I can however say that directly asking for a dev to post on a thread, or post something like that, is the fastest way to make sure they won't. They even have a rule about it, because if they do it once, people will expect them to do it again, and they're not here just to answer posts, they've got other duties as well.

[illaria]

I hate my character as much as I am bored with it, which is not at all.I guess I will never be able to make you understand that I enjoy the game and I enjoy the character, all I wish is that she looked half-elf whose appearance I set (ie not a bald one)ps not to cynto but many have suggested just using the petrified eyes, the problem is that for many of the races I change into I am bald.cynto wrote:"The thing is, it seems to me that most of the people asking for this sort of thing don't really dislike their charachter race all that much, they're more bored with it than anything."

[illaria]

I am not asking the devs to respond to the change race thread my idea was that they create a thread somewhere saying the following topics will not be discussed anymore and give SOEs official stance ie:Topic 1: Trasfers off baazar enabled serversSOES stance: Never going to happenTopic 2: Where is my unique helm I share a helm with XXX classesSOE: be patient the graphics will be put in when they are madeTopic 3: I am a whiny baby and I want to be a different raceSOE: Deal with it, its never going to happencynto wrote:Hate to say it, but if they havn't responded to this one, or the 4+ pager in the EoF forums, odds are they aren't going to, though I could be wrong. I can however say that directly asking for a dev to post on a thread, or post something like that, is the fastest way to make sure they won't. They even have a rule about it, because if they do it once, people will expect them to do it again, and they're not here just to answer posts, they've got other duties as well.

[evilpants]

"ps not to cynto but many have suggested just using the petrified eyes, the problem is that for many of the races I change into I am bald."

 

 

Get a hat or turn your hood graphic back on. Easily solved. On the topic of race change I agree with the "[Removed for Content]" people and say I dont think it should be allowed. The EQ2 website has all the information one would need to determine what races and classes there are. My toon is a Kerra Assassin and I had that worked out 2 weeks before I bought the game. I saw a post above that said, "I just dont like the furry look anymore," and I say too bad. If you dont like your looks then re-roll another race, level up to your current toons level and transfer all your crap to the new toon. I think that it is totally inapropriate to ask the devs to bust their butts in coding, testing, tweaking and implimenting something just because you dont like your looks.  A new race offers nothing but a graphic and that can be attained with the petrified eyes (I addressed the bald thing above) and the other quests that allow illusion forms. Another option is to change to a first person view on your camera angles, then you dont have to look at your furry butt anymore. 'nuff said.

 

 

 

Haephestus/ 61 Assassin/ Guk

[Cynto]

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illaria wrote:
I hate my character as much as I am bored with it, which is not at all.

I guess I will never be able to make you understand that I enjoy the game and I enjoy the character, all I wish is that she looked half-elf whose appearance I set (ie not a bald one)

ps not to cynto but many have suggested just using the petrified eyes, the problem is that for many of the races I change into I am bald.

cynto wrote:

"The thing is, it seems to me that most of the people asking for this sort of thing don't really dislike their charachter race all that much, they're more bored with it than anything."

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Ok, look at the red bolded part of what I quoted. Seen it? Ok. NOW, look at the plain bolded part of the quote where you quote and address something I pointed out that you had missed in my previous post. Seen that now? Ok.

Now... please tell me where in the holy heck I even said "hate" in that part you quoted and addressed by saying. "I hate my character as much as I am bored with it, which is not at all."

Please dear lord stop honing in on the hate thing while ignorning every other point or statement made by people who disagree with you. Either admit that you don't have a response, or just don't address or quote the person and go off on a tangent about how you don't "hate" your charachter without actually saying anything about the bit you quoted. Its worse than the people that keep telling you to re-roll your charachter because it proves that you're not really reading what they're saying, while the people telling you to re-roll repeatedly were just being smartasses.

Message Edited by Cynto on 06-13-2006 02:44 PM

[illaria]

I was simply saying that I am not bored with my characternote: it is spelled character

Message Edited by illaria on 06-13-2006 12:04 PM

Message Edited by illaria on 06-13-2006 12:07 PM

Message Edited by illaria on 06-13-2006 12:13 PM

[Cynto]

Thank you for correcting my one extra letter spelling of one word oh grammar [Removed for Content]. :p

[illaria]

your welcome, always happy to help out