New Carpet/Steed price - sellback question - Page 2

aznctguy00 · 11-02-2005, 09:05 AM

Wait... so... FP people can sell their carpet/steed for 58pp? and Qeynos people can sell their carpet/steed for 50pp? That makes sense... :smileysad:

Kilaelya · 11-02-2005, 03:08 PM

Sell your mounts now and wait until the new guild reward mounts =p

I remember when the first two people got their carpets and spirit steeds. It was definatly something that should have been special. As it is I think it's lame you can get a carpet from the quest in Sinking Sands SMILEY Even if the speeds arent the same, how would you tell the difference?

/rude SOE

Minion · 11-02-2005, 04:28 PM

I remeber that day... Guild got lv30 after months of hard work

Then we got to see a screenshot of 2 of their members next to each other in guild lv30 cloths riding spirit steed / carpet

That screen shot made me work my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] off to get guild lv30.... you know back when it ment something...

z3oslo · 11-02-2005, 06:05 PM

Maybe they want more people to move to exchange servers, so we can unload som pp?

Cause as of now, there is not much you can spend alot of money on ..

Have they touched the price on any of the other horses? Seems really strange that the fastest horse/carpet is cheaper than the DOF horses ..

Anyway, its pretty clear that SOE is in some kind of panic, trying to get new players into the game. More solo content, easier heritage quest, cheaper horses, more exp gained for doing quests, now they are about to increase the vitality to last longer at higher levels, which will make it faster to reach lvl 60, tradskill experience is 4 times what it used to be, and the new hot thing, shard-merchants!! buy back your shard for a few copper (or whatever) Debt for dying is pretty much non-existant... and the list goes on and on and on ..

Obviously, the designers and artists behind this game dont have much influence anymore, its the guys that control the moneybag that set the the stage now. Not a good thing imo.

Maybe this will bring new players to the game, but also some will leave.

I understand that you cant please everybodt in a game, that is just not possible, but why does everything in the game need to be accessible to everyone? Why cant we have [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] long quests that will take MONTHS to complete, even for HC players. Why cant some items in game be so expensive that you would have to work your [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] off to afford it? Why is that so bad? Isnt that the core of this kind of games? Always have a goal to reach?

Unholy_Ang · 11-02-2005, 06:29 PM

IT IS STUPID! They should make the mounts have a much greater speed increase. It does not make any sense that SOE is lowering the price of those 60pp mounts which makes the ones who worked hard for that 60p envious of the people who can now buy them really cheaply (this is on test server atm). I think instead they should make the current 60pp mounts retain their price but have an substantial increase in speed.

Unholy_Ang · 11-02-2005, 06:31 PM

On test they are reducing the guild lvl 30 status mount cost from 60pp to something less expensive. I think they should keep the price so people will have something to earn. But, SOE should make the mount speed a lot faster to compensate for the fact that you can get a similar speed mount with stats for only 14pp in majdul.. and at no status cost or guild level requirement.

SalBlu · 11-02-2005, 06:55 PM

Unholy_Anger wrote:

IT IS STUPID! They should make the mounts have a much greater speed increase. It does not make any sense that SOE is lowering the price of those 60pp mounts which makes the ones who worked hard for that 60p envious of the people who can now buy them really cheaply (this is on test server atm). I think instead they should make the current 60pp mounts retain their price but have an substantial increase in speed.

Oh please. Get over yourself.

This is called a realistic change that better falls in accordance with the other mounts. There's no reason for the mount to be 60 platinum when all the rest are priced much lower. The top end, lower price horse is 40% speed and has stat modifiers attached to it. The carpet/spirit steed is 8% more speed gain. IMO the prices should both be 14 platinum. One you give up speed for stats, while the other you give up stats for speed. The difference is not great enough to warrant the current price tag.

As for being a status symbol. Yeah... it is, but who cares. I had 68 platinum way back before my guild hit 30. I knew carpet/spirit steed was the lvl 30 mount, but decided to save my money which I spent on my alts, or gave away to my friends to get them going. Its just overpriced rediculousness to pay for such a mount, and I think SOE finally realizes this.

AngelVyxen · 11-02-2005, 07:18 PM

Oh well, Updated 16 is scheduled for Nov. 9th according to the EQII birthday information post. Which means on Nov. 8th I get to sell back for 50p and have another 40p I don't know what to do with. I guess I'll finally buy my Elaborate Loom with the extra status I get back.

Btw what's up with the Freeport selling for 58p thing? You guys are really able to sell your carpets for 58p?

edited cuz I got confuzzled.

Message Edited by AngelVyxen on 11-02-2005 09:54 AM

AngelVyxen · 11-02-2005, 07:50 PM

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So the sellback for old carpets is 41p on test??

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Wait, I'm confused.. I thought there were no lvl 30 guilds on test prior to the change. Was that a misconception? The way I was reading it, a guild just hit 30 and saw the new prices. If that was the case, how could they tell the original sell-back amount if no one had carpets prior to the change. So were we just wrong that there was no lvl 30 guild on test yet?

As for not knowing if the person from Test who posted was looking at the correct vendor.. better safe than sorry, if it's 41p straight up or 41p/50p like the live servers, best to sell your carpet on the 8th just incase if you're still in your lvl 30+ guild.

Message Edited by AngelVyxen on 11-02-2005 09:55 AM

Unholy_Ang · 11-02-2005, 08:50 PM

"Oh please. Get over yourself.

This is called a realistic change that better falls in accordance with the other mounts. There's no reason for the mount to be 60 platinum when all the rest are priced much lower. The top end, lower price horse is 40% speed and has stat modifiers attached to it. The carpet/spirit steed is 8% more speed gain. IMO the prices should both be 14 platinum. One you give up speed for stats, while the other you give up stats for speed. The difference is not great enough to warrant the current price tag.

As for being a status symbol. Yeah... it is, but who cares. I had 68 platinum way back before my guild hit 30. I knew carpet/spirit steed was the lvl 30 mount, but decided to save my money which I spent on my alts, or gave away to my friends to get them going. Its just overpriced rediculousness to pay for such a mount, and I think SOE finally realizes this."

- OMG lol why are you going to tell me to get over myself? I realize that having a 48% speed horse for 60pp is totally bogus. I'm not saying they should keep the price AND keep the same barely marginal increase in run speed from a 14pp horse in maj'dul or a 5pp 40% speed horse in the stables. I AM SAYING that soe should INCREASE the speed on these 60pp horses to something that would make it WORTH 60pp. For instance, make these horses have a 60% increase with extra stats or something instead of keeping a 48% speed increase and lowering the price down to 10pp and 250k sp. You must not have understand my idea, because the way i see it, this change would make more sense since people would have a goal, but the reward would actually be worth it.... worth more than spending 60pp on your alts...

TheDepu · 11-02-2005, 09:07 PM

Any confirmation on the 50 plat Qeynos versus 58 plat freeport sell back? I can't see them allowing a sell back greater than 58p 33g. If that is an option I'll probably jump on it even though I'm concerned I won't be able to replace my rug no longer being in a level 40 guild. Any info devs?The Deputy

dadowar · 11-03-2005, 06:06 AM

I sold my carpet to the stablehand that chases the pigs in FP. He gave me 58pp 33g and my 750K status back.

Traldan Omegafyre · 11-03-2005, 07:59 AM

That's some dumb [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] right there. =

xxArcane · 11-03-2005, 08:22 AM

Considering the fact that you have to be in a level 30 guild (Definately no small achievement) and you also have to spend 10p and 250k status I don't think there is anything wrong with it. I only goes 8% faster than the horses that cost 5p and adds no other bonuses, unlike the Armoured horses that add stats.

What are you all worked up over anyway? Everyone and their grandma has carpets now that DOF came out.

If they are going to up anything then up the Status required, not the plat. Heck leave the status at 750k. This would make it so only devoted guild members get to buy the carpet, not just some johny on the spot who happend to be invited to a level 30 guild when it was already level 30+.

Message Edited by xxArcanexx on 11-03-2005 02:38 PM

dr4gonUK · 11-03-2005, 12:23 PM

Ellywen wrote:

The prestige should be from being guild 30, not from doling out 60pp that you probably got from botting in a TS instance.

Says it all really. And the stable hand buys back at 50pp, so i dont see what all the whiners are moaning about.

/dons flameproof trenchcoat.

ps. City of Heroes sucks.

Suta · 11-03-2005, 02:23 PM

Smilinglorax wrote:

The carpets are now 10plat and 250k status. We are guild lvl 30 on test. They sell back for 41 plat. SO for all of those that worked so hard once again you are screwed. I love the way SOE rewards the people that play the most by removing anything that requires effort and time. I saved for a year to get a carpet and like that not everyone has one. But apparently if you play the game all the time and work hard to get things done your opinion is not worth as much as they guy that plays 1 day a week for a few hours but whines a lot.

In a few more updates they will probably just make all characters start at lvl 60 cuz levelling takes time and effort. Then they will probably make fabled armor available for 1 copper of brokers so no one has to raid anymore that takes time and effort too. Then we can all have the exact same toon with all the same stuff and no one can complain.

Maybe if they took all the developers paychecks and gave them a massive paycut so that minimum wage workers didn't feel left out, they could understand where a few of us are coming from.

One would also think too that there is so much more in the game that needs to be fixed, itemized, balanced without messing with the things that do not.

I agree with everything you said. My guild is level 21 and I have over a million status. That long term goal of saving 60 plat and the original status amount seems... gimped now.

I wish the whiners would go to WoW where thinking isn't required to gain everything you want.

Sean Leclair · 11-03-2005, 07:07 PM

so if i sneak back into west freeport to try and sell it to the stablehand hes gonna probably say he doesnt want my business huh? i had snuck into freeport to buy it in the first place cause i didnt want the parade style. but im sure status merchants are dif.

Tockl · 11-03-2005, 08:06 PM

Our guild is level 29.6 and several of us had been working toward this for a very long time. Few of us could even afford to think of getting a carpet, but now it just all seems pointless. Sure, 60p was awfully high, but to drop it to 10 is just plain rediculous.

Reduce it to 50, or even 40. Increase the speed. Drop the price considerably but increase the status requirement.

Sure I pay the same as everyone else for this game, but the game being almost a year old and me NOT having a carpet is a GOOD thing. When I do get it, it will be an accomplishment that will have staying power.

As it is, TSing is now a joke, adventuring will soon be made much easier, status items will be common.

I really like this game, but unless they come out with a very large expansion soon - expanding levels and content considerably - I don't see myself playing too far into the future. Everything that I could work towards is being stripped down and beaten with a gnome.

dparker7 · 11-03-2005, 10:36 PM

SOE will do whatever SOE wants to do in the end. They dont listen in general.

However, I would like an explanation of why the sell back price isnt 100% when the last time they changed mounts people got hte option to sell back for 100% of what they paid.

Celestian_ · 11-04-2005, 12:34 AM

Smilinglorax wrote:
Aaz wrote : And in the money department both play styles are completely EQUAL.

In the long run it is the high end raiders that play the game the for years and such for the most part. With no high-end MMORPGs die relatively fast. That is what is keeping EQ1 alive still today.

Um, with no CONTENT mmorpgs will die, it has nothing to do with "raiders". The reason all people do in EQ1 is raid is because that's the ONLY way to get the good items. If they had more casual content that was just as challenging as raid content but spread out over time people would be doing that. However since there is this idea that 50+ people and 12 hour gaming in one instance is the only way to get decent items of COURSE that's all thats left. Everyone else got sick of not achieving anything at a certain point and quit. This isn't a "EQ" problem, WoW does it also.

Redlan · 11-04-2005, 02:16 AM

All I can say is no freakin' way! After 1 year of playing I am FInally able to just now buy a spirit steed and they about to change it to 10 plat and 250k status? listen SoE, your loyal base customers need a few perks to make them feel nice and look distinguishable. You are about to hand one of the few things left, aside from top end status housing to the average Joe Blow. Halve the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] price, but for goodness sake dont let it go live at 10 plat! Nothing against the causal player, heck in most senses I am a causal player but letting Johnny Reb who's been playing for 1-2 months, is in a lvl 30 guild, and has no real idea what it's like to want something so bad for so long and then have it practically handed to him it's just not right. 'Nuff said, I will say no more.

Big · 11-04-2005, 03:43 AM

They say the two happiest days for a Porshe owner are 1) the day he buys it, and 2) the day he sells it. I am the first carpet owner on Lavastorm and couldn't be happier about selling it back (I'll rebuy at 10p or get the new horse). It's time to move on to T6 and bigger/better things. It is a status item, for sure, but the price is out of the the realm of most players. Since the DoF expansion, SOE rightfully has seen the imbalance of charging too high a price on housing and carpets/steeds and thus they are lowering it. Good for them. I made my 60p tradeskilling, and spent alot of hours doing it and grinding writs, but good grief, it was pure tedium. I think making guild lvl 30 is hard enough without making players spend a fortune for something that is only 8% faster.

Cierkzo

Lavastorm

Message Edited by Big Al on 11-03-2005 02:43 PM

Finora · 11-04-2005, 03:55 AM

Vicious wrote:

The new cost for the Spirit Steed and Carpet don't make sense.

10pp and 250k status for a 48% horse/carpet =/= 14pp 40% Armored Horse

I think the Spirit Steed should at least be around 15pp if that's what SOE wants to do. It might also be wise to say if they're going to add new 56% speed horse and armored variants.

You are forgetting that the armored horses increases stats. Which is MUCH more important than 8% more speed, and as such should cost more.

Anyone who puts in the effort can get a spirit horse or carpet on live now. The new prices just mean it will take a little less effort.

A few weeks back when the armored horses were first added there was a thread where the people with the carpets and spirit horses were complaining about how low the prices were for the armored horses and how the stats were better than the 8% speed. How they felt like they wasted their money and wanted to be able to sell them back and get the new armored one and how it wasn't even really a status symbol anymore because people just thought they were dumb for spending so much money on 8% more speed.

What a turn around a few weeks and the price change actually coming through makes. Make up your minds.

I for one say hurray. Though I think the armored horses should be 20p and the spirit/carpets should at least 15, and more status. Even leave them at the 10p and make it cost more status. Status bought mount should cost a LOT of status IMO. 250k my level 20 alt has that much, though she's certainly lacking the 10p.

Message Edited by Calendri on 11-03-2005 05:55 PM

Minion · 11-04-2005, 04:53 AM

Sean Leclaire

I have snuck into FP to buy status items before... and my friend bought the FP spirit steed (from qeynos)

At some point between then and now... Something has happened

I brought somebody to invis me... and the stablehands will not do business with me... and the same with the status merchants

Sean Leclair · 11-04-2005, 05:18 AM

:smileysad: well damnit, i guess 50 is better then none.

Minion · 11-04-2005, 09:39 AM

Can a FP person on Live... please post a screenshot of this 58p sellback?

Its not that I dont beleive the people saying FP stable hands offer more.... ok well... Yes I dont beleive you lol

I just am confused what to do... I mean we are talking about 8p difference.... I will be so [Removed for Content] If I sell mine for 50 and then find out I coulda got 58

Message Edited by MinionTA on 11-03-2005 11:40 PM

Druzgotek · 11-04-2005, 04:39 PM

My one friend's maj'dul enchanted scroll sold back for 58p, 33g, 33s, 31c in west freeport.

But my another friend only was getting 41p something for the undead mount and 50p something from the other npc in west fp.

So not sure how that works, if only for carpets, or for both, or shrug. All I know the first friend is very happy. He is sure he tried that exact npc before and the sellback price was only 41pp something.

This was on live.

WhiteDiamo · 11-04-2005, 05:08 PM

one of my friends sold back his carpet for 58p, 33g, 33s, 31c in WFP to the stable hand that runs around.

however when i went to check the sell back price on my undead mount at the same npc.

41pp, 66g, 66s, 65c, 750k status

and the other one was

50pp, 750k status

so taht leads me to believe SOE screw up some how -- did they mean to make all sell back 58pp and didn't

or did they screw up and make sell back of carpet 58pp vs 50 pp

o yea -- i would like to add -- i want all of my 60 pp back -- but would settle for 58pp

Message Edited by WhiteDiamond on 11-04-2005 07:11 AM

Naggyba · 11-04-2005, 09:48 PM

You have gotten to use that carpet/horse all this time and one of a very few that did have it so, you should loose some money for a used horse. Maybe not 19pp but not 2pp either.

Message Edited by Naggybait on 11-04-2005 11:49 AM

aznctguy00 · 11-05-2005, 12:26 AM

I still don't get the 50pp qeynos sellback price vs the 58pp FP sellback price. Was it intended to make it sell back for 58pp? Or is that what they are changing it to with the next LU? I still don't know whether to sell (since I'm qeynos) before or after the LU.

11-02-2005, 09:05 AM	#31
aznctguy00 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 20	Wait... so... FP people can sell their carpet/steed for 58pp? and Qeynos people can sell their carpet/steed for 50pp? That makes sense... :smileysad: __________________

11-02-2005, 03:08 PM	#32
Kilaelya Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 126	Sell your mounts now and wait until the new guild reward mounts =p I remember when the first two people got their carpets and spirit steeds. It was definatly something that should have been special. As it is I think it's lame you can get a carpet from the quest in Sinking Sands Even if the speeds arent the same, how would you tell the difference? /rude SOE __________________

11-02-2005, 06:55 PM	#37
SalBlu Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 439	Unholy_Anger wrote: IT IS STUPID! They should make the mounts have a much greater speed increase. It does not make any sense that SOE is lowering the price of those 60pp mounts which makes the ones who worked hard for that 60p envious of the people who can now buy them really cheaply (this is on test server atm). I think instead they should make the current 60pp mounts retain their price but have an substantial increase in speed. Oh please. Get over yourself. This is called a realistic change that better falls in accordance with the other mounts. There's no reason for the mount to be 60 platinum when all the rest are priced much lower. The top end, lower price horse is 40% speed and has stat modifiers attached to it. The carpet/spirit steed is 8% more speed gain. IMO the prices should both be 14 platinum. One you give up speed for stats, while the other you give up stats for speed. The difference is not great enough to warrant the current price tag. As for being a status symbol. Yeah... it is, but who cares. I had 68 platinum way back before my guild hit 30. I knew carpet/spirit steed was the lvl 30 mount, but decided to save my money which I spent on my alts, or gave away to my friends to get them going. Its just overpriced rediculousness to pay for such a mount, and I think SOE finally realizes this.

11-02-2005, 07:18 PM	#38
AngelVyxen Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: .. Delaware. Posts: 187	Oh well, Updated 16 is scheduled for Nov. 9th according to the EQII birthday information post. Which means on Nov. 8th I get to sell back for 50p and have another 40p I don't know what to do with. I guess I'll finally buy my Elaborate Loom with the extra status I get back. Btw what's up with the Freeport selling for 58p thing? You guys are really able to sell your carpets for 58p? edited cuz I got confuzzled. Message Edited by AngelVyxen on 11-02-2005 09:54 AM __________________

11-02-2005, 07:50 PM	#39
AngelVyxen Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: .. Delaware. Posts: 187	___ So the sellback for old carpets is 41p on test?? ___ Wait, I'm confused.. I thought there were no lvl 30 guilds on test prior to the change. Was that a misconception? The way I was reading it, a guild just hit 30 and saw the new prices. If that was the case, how could they tell the original sell-back amount if no one had carpets prior to the change. So were we just wrong that there was no lvl 30 guild on test yet? As for not knowing if the person from Test who posted was looking at the correct vendor.. better safe than sorry, if it's 41p straight up or 41p/50p like the live servers, best to sell your carpet on the 8th just incase if you're still in your lvl 30+ guild. Message Edited by AngelVyxen on 11-02-2005 09:55 AM __________________

11-02-2005, 04:28 PM	#33
Minion Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 38	I remeber that day... Guild got lv30 after months of hard work Then we got to see a screenshot of 2 of their members next to each other in guild lv30 cloths riding spirit steed / carpet That screen shot made me work my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] off to get guild lv30.... you know back when it ment something...

11-02-2005, 06:05 PM	#34
z3oslo Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 86	Maybe they want more people to move to exchange servers, so we can unload som pp? Cause as of now, there is not much you can spend alot of money on .. Have they touched the price on any of the other horses? Seems really strange that the fastest horse/carpet is cheaper than the DOF horses .. Anyway, its pretty clear that SOE is in some kind of panic, trying to get new players into the game. More solo content, easier heritage quest, cheaper horses, more exp gained for doing quests, now they are about to increase the vitality to last longer at higher levels, which will make it faster to reach lvl 60, tradskill experience is 4 times what it used to be, and the new hot thing, shard-merchants!! buy back your shard for a few copper (or whatever) Debt for dying is pretty much non-existant... and the list goes on and on and on .. Obviously, the designers and artists behind this game dont have much influence anymore, its the guys that control the moneybag that set the the stage now. Not a good thing imo. Maybe this will bring new players to the game, but also some will leave. I understand that you cant please everybodt in a game, that is just not possible, but why does everything in the game need to be accessible to everyone? Why cant we have [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] long quests that will take MONTHS to complete, even for HC players. Why cant some items in game be so expensive that you would have to work your [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] off to afford it? Why is that so bad? Isnt that the core of this kind of games? Always have a goal to reach?

11-02-2005, 06:29 PM	#35
Unholy_Ang Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 24	IT IS STUPID! They should make the mounts have a much greater speed increase. It does not make any sense that SOE is lowering the price of those 60pp mounts which makes the ones who worked hard for that 60p envious of the people who can now buy them really cheaply (this is on test server atm). I think instead they should make the current 60pp mounts retain their price but have an substantial increase in speed.

11-02-2005, 06:31 PM	#36
Unholy_Ang Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 24	On test they are reducing the guild lvl 30 status mount cost from 60pp to something less expensive. I think they should keep the price so people will have something to earn. But, SOE should make the mount speed a lot faster to compensate for the fact that you can get a similar speed mount with stats for only 14pp in majdul.. and at no status cost or guild level requirement.

11-02-2005, 08:50 PM	#40
Unholy_Ang Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 24	"Oh please. Get over yourself. This is called a realistic change that better falls in accordance with the other mounts. There's no reason for the mount to be 60 platinum when all the rest are priced much lower. The top end, lower price horse is 40% speed and has stat modifiers attached to it. The carpet/spirit steed is 8% more speed gain. IMO the prices should both be 14 platinum. One you give up speed for stats, while the other you give up stats for speed. The difference is not great enough to warrant the current price tag. As for being a status symbol. Yeah... it is, but who cares. I had 68 platinum way back before my guild hit 30. I knew carpet/spirit steed was the lvl 30 mount, but decided to save my money which I spent on my alts, or gave away to my friends to get them going. Its just overpriced rediculousness to pay for such a mount, and I think SOE finally realizes this." - OMG lol why are you going to tell me to get over myself? I realize that having a 48% speed horse for 60pp is totally bogus. I'm not saying they should keep the price AND keep the same barely marginal increase in run speed from a 14pp horse in maj'dul or a 5pp 40% speed horse in the stables. I AM SAYING that soe should INCREASE the speed on these 60pp horses to something that would make it WORTH 60pp. For instance, make these horses have a 60% increase with extra stats or something instead of keeping a 48% speed increase and lowering the price down to 10pp and 250k sp. You must not have understand my idea, because the way i see it, this change would make more sense since people would have a goal, but the reward would actually be worth it.... worth more than spending 60pp on your alts...

11-02-2005, 09:07 PM	#41
TheDepu Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 21	Any confirmation on the 50 plat Qeynos versus 58 plat freeport sell back? I can't see them allowing a sell back greater than 58p 33g. If that is an option I'll probably jump on it even though I'm concerned I won't be able to replace my rug no longer being in a level 40 guild. Any info devs?The Deputy

11-03-2005, 06:06 AM	#42
dadowar Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 9	I sold my carpet to the stablehand that chases the pigs in FP. He gave me 58pp 33g and my 750K status back.

11-03-2005, 07:59 AM	#43
Traldan Omegafyre Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 185	That's some dumb [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] right there. = __________________ Traldan Tralnak - 80 Necro/80 Tailor - Mistmoore - Divinus

11-03-2005, 08:22 AM	#44
xxArcane Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 84	Considering the fact that you have to be in a level 30 guild (Definately no small achievement) and you also have to spend 10p and 250k status I don't think there is anything wrong with it. I only goes 8% faster than the horses that cost 5p and adds no other bonuses, unlike the Armoured horses that add stats. What are you all worked up over anyway? Everyone and their grandma has carpets now that DOF came out. If they are going to up anything then up the Status required, not the plat. Heck leave the status at 750k. This would make it so only devoted guild members get to buy the carpet, not just some johny on the spot who happend to be invited to a level 30 guild when it was already level 30+. Message Edited by xxArcanexx on 11-03-2005 02:38 PM

11-03-2005, 12:23 PM	#45
dr4gonUK Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: England Posts: 211	Ellywen wrote: The prestige should be from being guild 30, not from doling out 60pp that you probably got from botting in a TS instance. Says it all really. And the stable hand buys back at 50pp, so i dont see what all the whiners are moaning about. /dons flameproof trenchcoat. ps. City of Heroes sucks.

11-03-2005, 02:23 PM	#46
Suta General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 198	Smilinglorax wrote: The carpets are now 10plat and 250k status. We are guild lvl 30 on test. They sell back for 41 plat. SO for all of those that worked so hard once again you are screwed. I love the way SOE rewards the people that play the most by removing anything that requires effort and time. I saved for a year to get a carpet and like that not everyone has one. But apparently if you play the game all the time and work hard to get things done your opinion is not worth as much as they guy that plays 1 day a week for a few hours but whines a lot. In a few more updates they will probably just make all characters start at lvl 60 cuz levelling takes time and effort. Then they will probably make fabled armor available for 1 copper of brokers so no one has to raid anymore that takes time and effort too. Then we can all have the exact same toon with all the same stuff and no one can complain. Maybe if they took all the developers paychecks and gave them a massive paycut so that minimum wage workers didn't feel left out, they could understand where a few of us are coming from. One would also think too that there is so much more in the game that needs to be fixed, itemized, balanced without messing with the things that do not. I agree with everything you said. My guild is level 21 and I have over a million status. That long term goal of saving 60 plat and the original status amount seems... gimped now. I wish the whiners would go to WoW where thinking isn't required to gain everything you want.

11-03-2005, 07:07 PM	#47
Sean Leclair Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 52	so if i sneak back into west freeport to try and sell it to the stablehand hes gonna probably say he doesnt want my business huh? i had snuck into freeport to buy it in the first place cause i didnt want the parade style. but im sure status merchants are dif. __________________

11-03-2005, 08:06 PM	#48
Tockl Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 96	Our guild is level 29.6 and several of us had been working toward this for a very long time. Few of us could even afford to think of getting a carpet, but now it just all seems pointless. Sure, 60p was awfully high, but to drop it to 10 is just plain rediculous. Reduce it to 50, or even 40. Increase the speed. Drop the price considerably but increase the status requirement. Sure I pay the same as everyone else for this game, but the game being almost a year old and me NOT having a carpet is a GOOD thing. When I do get it, it will be an accomplishment that will have staying power. As it is, TSing is now a joke, adventuring will soon be made much easier, status items will be common. I really like this game, but unless they come out with a very large expansion soon - expanding levels and content considerably - I don't see myself playing too far into the future. Everything that I could work towards is being stripped down and beaten with a gnome.

11-03-2005, 10:36 PM	#49
dparker7 General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 204	SOE will do whatever SOE wants to do in the end. They dont listen in general. However, I would like an explanation of why the sell back price isnt 100% when the last time they changed mounts people got hte option to sell back for 100% of what they paid.

11-04-2005, 12:34 AM	#50
Celestian_ General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 326	Smilinglorax wrote: Aaz wrote : And in the money department both play styles are completely EQUAL. In the long run it is the high end raiders that play the game the for years and such for the most part. With no high-end MMORPGs die relatively fast. That is what is keeping EQ1 alive still today. Um, with no CONTENT mmorpgs will die, it has nothing to do with "raiders". The reason all people do in EQ1 is raid is because that's the ONLY way to get the good items. If they had more casual content that was just as challenging as raid content but spread out over time people would be doing that. However since there is this idea that 50+ people and 12 hour gaming in one instance is the only way to get decent items of COURSE that's all thats left. Everyone else got sick of not achieving anything at a certain point and quit. This isn't a "EQ" problem, WoW does it also. __________________

11-04-2005, 02:16 AM	#51
Redlan General Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Wyoming Posts: 34	All I can say is no freakin' way! After 1 year of playing I am FInally able to just now buy a spirit steed and they about to change it to 10 plat and 250k status? listen SoE, your loyal base customers need a few perks to make them feel nice and look distinguishable. You are about to hand one of the few things left, aside from top end status housing to the average Joe Blow. Halve the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] price, but for goodness sake dont let it go live at 10 plat! Nothing against the causal player, heck in most senses I am a causal player but letting Johnny Reb who's been playing for 1-2 months, is in a lvl 30 guild, and has no real idea what it's like to want something so bad for so long and then have it practically handed to him it's just not right. 'Nuff said, I will say no more. __________________

11-04-2005, 03:43 AM	#52
Big Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 9	They say the two happiest days for a Porshe owner are 1) the day he buys it, and 2) the day he sells it. I am the first carpet owner on Lavastorm and couldn't be happier about selling it back (I'll rebuy at 10p or get the new horse). It's time to move on to T6 and bigger/better things. It is a status item, for sure, but the price is out of the the realm of most players. Since the DoF expansion, SOE rightfully has seen the imbalance of charging too high a price on housing and carpets/steeds and thus they are lowering it. Good for them. I made my 60p tradeskilling, and spent alot of hours doing it and grinding writs, but good grief, it was pure tedium. I think making guild lvl 30 is hard enough without making players spend a fortune for something that is only 8% faster. Cierkzo Lavastorm Message Edited by Big Al on 11-03-2005 02:43 PM

11-04-2005, 03:55 AM	#53
Finora Tester Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,423	Vicious wrote: The new cost for the Spirit Steed and Carpet don't make sense. 10pp and 250k status for a 48% horse/carpet =/= 14pp 40% Armored Horse I think the Spirit Steed should at least be around 15pp if that's what SOE wants to do. It might also be wise to say if they're going to add new 56% speed horse and armored variants. You are forgetting that the armored horses increases stats. Which is MUCH more important than 8% more speed, and as such should cost more. Anyone who puts in the effort can get a spirit horse or carpet on live now. The new prices just mean it will take a little less effort. A few weeks back when the armored horses were first added there was a thread where the people with the carpets and spirit horses were complaining about how low the prices were for the armored horses and how the stats were better than the 8% speed. How they felt like they wasted their money and wanted to be able to sell them back and get the new armored one and how it wasn't even really a status symbol anymore because people just thought they were dumb for spending so much money on 8% more speed. What a turn around a few weeks and the price change actually coming through makes. Make up your minds. I for one say hurray. Though I think the armored horses should be 20p and the spirit/carpets should at least 15, and more status. Even leave them at the 10p and make it cost more status. Status bought mount should cost a LOT of status IMO. 250k my level 20 alt has that much, though she's certainly lacking the 10p. Message Edited by Calendri on 11-03-2005 05:55 PM __________________ Lady Finora Mystic of Prism Everfrost(Grobb) Finora of Valiant Knights Test Server

11-04-2005, 04:53 AM	#54
Minion Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 38	Sean Leclaire I have snuck into FP to buy status items before... and my friend bought the FP spirit steed (from qeynos) At some point between then and now... Something has happened I brought somebody to invis me... and the stablehands will not do business with me... and the same with the status merchants

11-04-2005, 05:18 AM	#55
Sean Leclair Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 52	:smileysad: well damnit, i guess 50 is better then none. __________________

11-04-2005, 09:39 AM	#56
Minion Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 38	Can a FP person on Live... please post a screenshot of this 58p sellback? Its not that I dont beleive the people saying FP stable hands offer more.... ok well... Yes I dont beleive you lol I just am confused what to do... I mean we are talking about 8p difference.... I will be so [Removed for Content] If I sell mine for 50 and then find out I coulda got 58 Message Edited by MinionTA on 11-03-2005 11:40 PM

11-04-2005, 04:39 PM	#57
Druzgotek Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 109	My one friend's maj'dul enchanted scroll sold back for 58p, 33g, 33s, 31c in west freeport. But my another friend only was getting 41p something for the undead mount and 50p something from the other npc in west fp. So not sure how that works, if only for carpets, or for both, or shrug. All I know the first friend is very happy. He is sure he tried that exact npc before and the sellback price was only 41pp something. This was on live. __________________ * L80 Necromancer, Inquisitor, Bruiser, Berzerker, Defiler * * L80 Sage, Alchemist, Armorer, Jeweler, Tailor *

11-04-2005, 05:08 PM	#58
WhiteDiamo Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 5	one of my friends sold back his carpet for 58p, 33g, 33s, 31c in WFP to the stable hand that runs around. however when i went to check the sell back price on my undead mount at the same npc. 41pp, 66g, 66s, 65c, 750k status and the other one was 50pp, 750k status so taht leads me to believe SOE screw up some how -- did they mean to make all sell back 58pp and didn't or did they screw up and make sell back of carpet 58pp vs 50 pp o yea -- i would like to add -- i want all of my 60 pp back -- but would settle for 58pp Message Edited by WhiteDiamond on 11-04-2005 07:11 AM

11-04-2005, 09:48 PM	#59
Naggyba Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 518	You have gotten to use that carpet/horse all this time and one of a very few that did have it so, you should loose some money for a used horse. Maybe not 19pp but not 2pp either. Message Edited by Naggybait on 11-04-2005 11:49 AM

11-05-2005, 12:26 AM	#60
aznctguy00 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 20	I still don't get the 50pp qeynos sellback price vs the 58pp FP sellback price. Was it intended to make it sell back for 58pp? Or is that what they are changing it to with the next LU? I still don't know whether to sell (since I'm qeynos) before or after the LU. __________________