Proof there should be a way to disable SOGA to others

[Strade]

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AbsentmindedMage wrote:
The top pallette is not brown.  It is the dark colors including the dark red that I showed in the screen above.  You can make the black hair, brown, red, and dirty blonde hair on that top pallette.

What you are really asking for is not red, you want orange hair.  No, the soga female gnomes do not have the medusa hair style(what you are calling spikey).  We will see your character as you make it in the soga model set and that is all that matters to people who use those models.  Just as you will see their characters in the current model set as best as they can make them.

Neither model set is perfect, people will be able to choose what they think is best and be done with it.  And yes, you CAN make close renditions of your current model in the soga model.  Your attempt to recreate your character was rather sad.   You said you wanted bright fire red hair yet you show an image of a blonde.

Those accessories like glasses and things of that nature really never should have been options for races in my opinion.  I would much rather glasses be available to all races in game as a helm option.  Of course, since those current models have those accessories it reduces the likelihood that the other races will ever get those options as helms in game. 

EDIT:  I just looked at the CURRENT model set for female gnomes, there is NO FIRE RED hair color for the current gnomes.  [Removed for Content], are you complaining about with the hair color?  It is the same colors as the soga hair colors.  Except for the fact that in the soga the highlights actually mix and let you create more colors.  The Gnome CURRENT and SOGA models have the SAME color palette for hair.  Do you not know difference between red and blonde?

Message Edited by AbsentmindedMage on 10-30-2005 01:24 PM

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Exactly what I wanted to post. My main is a gnome female and there was never the option of red hair for gnome. Not to mention that 90% of gnome female in game got this same hair model ...

[Diern]

The models are not too bad, the problem I have with them is the lack of customisation, you are just going to see a bunch of clones running around if you turn them on. Now what I absolutely hate about them is often there is no direct customisation option available compared to the US models. I spent literally hours developing a look for my character when I first started playing because it is very important too me.

 

Case in point, there is no long hair, braided option for human males, So I cannot create anything resembling how my character looks in US models with SOGA. This annoys me no end. people will have the option to see a character which I didnt choose. Yes i know you will be able to customise both models, but the SOGA are far too limited......

[Gaige]

Timeline: (IIRC)

SOE decides to release EQ2 to an Asian market.  They realize that the current player models are probably not going to be a huge hit with the proposed market.

SOE hires another company to design some new character models to be more inline with what their new customer base would be looking for.

SOGA models are created.

Screenshots of SOGA models are released on a few websites and eventually linked to the EQ2 forums.

MG comments on what SOGA is.

Players respond by saying they like/want the option to use the new models.

Eventually this request was granted.

All SOE is really doing is letting players have what they asked for.  They are also doing it in a way that should be of little concern to the people who do not like SOGA, as you can turn them off.

It kind of irritates me that not everyone can see my toon in Very High Quality like I do.  It greatly takes away from his appearance imho.  Then I realize that *I* can see him that way, and that's truly all that matters.

[Diern]

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Gaige wrote:

It kind of irritates me that not everyone can see my toon in Very High Quality like I do.  It greatly takes away from his appearance imho.  Then I realize that *I* can see him that way, and that's truly all that matters.

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I see what you are saying, but I created the character to project how I wanted people to percieve him. High quality or not, there is still some continuity.

There isnt with these soga models, and I think it makes the game inconsistant.

[chadesh]

Just be hopefull that they don't choose to force us to use them and alow us to turn them off. I made this character yesterday and then change to SOGA model. heres the result.

 

Now the SOGA model. major differences

 

 

nuff said.

[Dimgroth]

I like the soga high elf better in those two pics, that hair irritates me (dont like curly) and the fact that they all look like michielle phifer is a big downplay for the us version.  I dont think theres anything to complain about considering you can still make custimizations in soga that look, if not exactly like your character, simular, or just go with a few simularities and make them look cool as hell, even if its not your exact us model (which I cant stand even more since Ive been on test with SOGA) my only worry is not everyone will see me in SOGA but oh well, im over it, why? Because I can make the us model of my soga characters to the best of my ability, and even if that ability isnt that much (considering how our current models look) it will be enough for those people who actually like the US models, and im fine with that.

[Rijacki]

Each person has an opinion on which looks better/worse.  The current high elf above looks pretty and happy, a delicate flower... the SOGA one looks bedraggled and extremely displeased with something, definately not anything pretty or flower-like.  The player might have a character concept that is blithe and happy about life.  Does the perpetual scowl convey that?  (the slider for "upturn/downturn" for mouth in current does allow for a more scowly disgruntled look, so you could mimic the SOGA one for that) But... those who like the SOGA models can have them but they should realise they might not be seeing the character as the player intends.  Those who like the current models will also have to realise they might not be seeing a character as the player intends.  Some may want the perpetually scowly look (to me, the most "upturned" in SOGA you can get looks more like constipated than content), some may want the different types of hairstyles or the way one "blends" and the other doesn't (and those really can make 2 different and totally valid hair "statements").  Some may want the body colour range of one set or the other.  Some may want the extended ears of SOGA.  Some might like the super skinny waif look of SOGA (some might even wish for a way to let a character put on a few pounds).  Some might want the hooked or bulbous or plain or whatever nose of whichever set.  Some might like the forehead ridges and horns of the ogre.  Some might like.... I will say it again, I would -much- rather the SOGA features added as -features- to the current set allowing for a much wider range of possible customisations which would quite likely statisfy everyone.  The one thing I do find disgusting in these threads are those who deride and flame the personal preferences of others.  Never once have I told someone they had to think what I find better or worse is better or worse, jsut that they -are- different.  The one thing about the majority of the pro-SOGA people who have been posting is that they bash anyone who is saying the models are -different- if someone prefers the current over the SOGA.  I don't care if you like the SOGA.  I don't care that you can enable SOGA and I don't have to.  Those are completely immaterial and moot.  The point of the OP and others is that the SOGA and the current ARE different (and you can't get some looks in one which you can get in the other... in BOTH directions).  There are some people who don't care about the SOGA vs current better or worse, just that their character will end up looking -different- to some people and that difference is not what they want.  If your own view was all that mattered, why do the avatars show up in game differently except your own character to your own client?  Why are there so many different customisation choices and why do people want more?  Why does it matter what the armor and clothing and other gear look like?  It's only the stats that really matter, right?  Are the SOGA and current different? yes.  Is it possible to recreate every current model "look" in SOGA? no.  Is it possible to recreate every SOGA "look" in current? no.  Are there characters, not just on the roleplay servers or with the roleplayers, which the player(s) identify and identify with based on their avatar appearance? yes.  When SOGA is implemented, will some see characters one way but others see them another? yes.  Could that affect how some interact with those characters? possibly, if they look beyond the stats. Oh... and someone once asked who ever notices avatars... I do.  I have said to someone who looks really nice that they do.  I have also been told that myself.  In EQ1, I modified my character's hair colour at one point (made it less orangy-red and more deep auburn red.. wood elf) and the difference in how people acted toward me was remarkable, even wearing the same gear.  She was, to most, more "pretty" even though some didn't come right out and say it. Oh... and on the subject of dramtic differences between SOGA and non-SOGA for avatars... my half-elf boy with his streaky "skunky" hair would be impossible.  Not only would his piercings be gone (and the SOGA scars are so faint you can barely see them anyway), he would lose a the hair "statement" (which, yes, is very intentional).

[Malkant]

Point people are trying to make is ... and this is for either side soga or not: People want to be able to have an option to show their character to others in either soga or original character model view.  It would not be very hard for SoE to put in an option that allows the player to choose if their character was shown only in Soga or not in soga.  Give all players the choice to do this..and also to allow them to see everything else in soga/not in soga (unless certain players have checked the option to allow themselves to be viewed one way or another.)

 

That will solve everyone's complaints... for the most part at least.

[Mon]

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deadlynightshadow104528 wrote:

While I admit that there isn't a great SOGA substute to your character model, TheyLive, I made a quick recreation (no facial/size/eye changes etc) of your character and I think that it's at least reasonable. Here's a link to a picture.

http://img470.imageshack.us/my.php?image=untitled1copy9zy.jpg

Message Edited by deadlynightshadow104528 on 10-29-2005 09:15 AM

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You are wasting your time.  I doubt he ever even tried to find a configuration he could live with.  What he fails to understand is he has no right to determine which models I display on MY screen, only his.  Sure its his character, but by forcing all the old ugly models on me, in addition to the superior SOGA models, he is hindering the performance of the game on MY computer.  Plus, I have no desire to ever see some of the old models again when SOGA goes live (high elf male, both humans) regardless of what the character owner wants.

[AbsentmindedMage]

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Malkantar wrote:

Point people are trying to make is ... and this is for either side soga or not: People want to be able to have an option to show their character to others in either soga or original character model view.  It would not be very hard for SoE to put in an option that allows the player to choose if their character was shown only in Soga or not in soga.  Give all players the choice to do this..and also to allow them to see everything else in soga/not in soga (unless certain players have checked the option to allow themselves to be viewed one way or another.)

 

That will solve everyone's complaints... for the most part at least.

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Ignoring the issue with performance which would be degraded from having to render so many more models(Soga+Current), forcing the two into the same environment isnt going to work and is undesirable.   Just like people do not want to see the soga models, there are people that do not want to see the current models anymore.   Personally, i do not want to see anymore Michael Jackson looking Wood Elves or Dark Elves (the two share the same model just recolored). Saying that the model sets are different is like saying the sky is blue.  Yes, of course not every option that is in the current is present in the soga.  Just as a lot of the stuff in the soga is not on the current models.  For example, the current models do not have the hair color variation that the soga models have. What I find upsetting is people coming here and spouting off things like they are facts?  I have heard people make comments like the majority of the player base does not want the soga models.  There is no basis for that statement.  No poll was ever conducted.  THere was immense support for them at Fan Faire and there has been a lot of support for them on the forums.  People have said that the Soga models were created for the japanese customers.  Again, that is another false statement.   They were created by a company trying to bring the game to China, Korea, and Taiwain. People complain about the soga models not adhering to the lore.  Well, many of the soga models are closer fits to the lore and closer representations from the eq1 ones.   In the current model set, Halflings and Gnomes do not have pointed ears as they did in the EQ1 models.  But both have pointed ears in the soga models.  People have complained about the lack of hair on the halfling feet in soga.  But to be frank, how often do we see halfling feet in game.  They are covered up with boots and armor.  Look how the current model differs from the EQ1 models for the Erudite.  People are not complaining about that, they got over that change.  People are complaining about the nose of the gnomes in soga, well, the gnome is suppose to have a huge hooked nose.  It had such a nose in the EQ1 models.  The current gnome model doesnt look like a gnome, it is a tiny human.  People have complained things about the soga models that are identical for the current models like hair color.   All the hair color for the current models is in the soga models.  Soga just has more due to the highlights blending. Finally, the most amusing statement that I have seen is talking about how there is little customization or variation in soga models.  Well, that is the same situation with the current models.  The only differences we have for most races is hair color/style and skin tone even on the highest detail.   Ultimately, I am tired of people stating their opinions as facts. 

[Rystall]

Some people love the SOGA version models, others like the US versions better, as evidenced by the animated discussion taking place.  The SOGA models are being supplied as an option to US players.  Like /cutemode it is a client based choice.  You will have the option to adjust your SOGA appearance if how others see you is a sensitive issue.  Because of the performance issues of having both sets present simultaneously on screen AND the clear style differences in the characters (many people would consider it far more intrusive to see a mix of the 2 styles of a characters race on their screen), there are no plans to have both versions of a race appearing at the same time.  Choice resides with the individual user as to what version (or combination of race versions) he/or she finds most appealing. 

 

Message Edited by Rystall on 10-31-2005 11:28 AM

[Warpax]

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Rystall wrote:

Some people love the SOGA version models, others like the US versions better, as evidenced by the animated discussion taking place.  The SOGA models are being supplied as an option to US players.  Like /cutemode it is a client based choice.  You will have the option to adjust your SOGA appearance if how others see you is a sensitive issue.  Because of the performance issues of having both sets present simultaneously on screen AND the clear style differences in the characters (many people would consider it far more intrusive to see a mix of the 2 styles of a characters race on their screen), there are no plans to have both versions of a race appearing at the same time.  Choice resides with the individual user as to what version (or combination of race versions) he/or she finds most appealing. 

 

Message Edited by Rystall on 10-31-2005 11:28 AM

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Thanks Rystall. I like most of the new SOGA models and the SOGA hair styles and the way the hair color tint dependingon the base and highlight color. I think its silly that people are having such issues with this. Its optional and as far as Im concerned YOU(other players) have no right to decide which models I see. Thanks devs for giving us the option to tweak both models sets to our own specifications. Thats way more than you had to do.

Message Edited by Warpax on 10-31-2005 02:44 PM

[Ironmeow]

baha love that eq1 picture, lol nothing beats the eq1 models

[Calthine]

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Rystall wrote:

Some people love the SOGA version models, others like the US versions better, as evidenced by the animated discussion taking place.  The SOGA models are being supplied as an option to US players.  Like /cutemode it is a client based choice.  You will have the option to adjust your SOGA appearance if how others see you is a sensitive issue.  Message Edited by Rystall on 10-31-2005 11:28 AM

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The problem is that is you don't like the SOGA model, you DON'T have an option how people see you.

[Calthine]

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Naggybait wrote:
The MAJORITY of the playerbase wanted/wants SOGA models. That's why they are offering the OPTION to see one OR the other. SOE had nothing to do with trying to offer a cheap addition to make a change. It was the PLAYERS who asked for these. SOE just decided to give us the option after a LOT of players ASKED for them. Get your facts right.

There are only a FEW and VERY FEW people that don't like them. The rest of the userbase likes them or doesn't care one way or the other. Just FEW people whinning about them.

If you don't like them, don't turn them on. It's really that simple. No one cares if you are too vain that you don't want others seeing you differently than what you chose. Just get over yourself and move on. It's going live and that's it.

The MAJORITY of us like them and want them.

Message Edited by Naggybait on 10-30-2005 12:23 PM

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First - prove your 'majority' and 'minority' figures.  posters on this forum are not a statisticly significant sample. 

Second, you're wrong.  Players never asked for these models, SoE was having them deveoped for the Asian market before we, the players ever heard of them.

Message Edited by Calthine on 10-31-2005 11:04 AM

[Warpax]

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Calthine wrote:

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Naggybait wrote:The MAJORITY of the playerbase wanted/wants SOGA models. That's why they are offering the OPTION to see one OR the other. SOE had nothing to do with trying to offer a cheap addition to make a change. It was the PLAYERS who asked for these. SOE just decided to give us the option after a LOT of players ASKED for them. Get your facts right.There are only a FEW and VERY FEW people that don't like them. The rest of the userbase likes them or doesn't care one way or the other. Just FEW people whinning about them.If you don't like them, don't turn them on. It's really that simple. No one cares if you are too vain that you don't want others seeing you differently than what you chose. Just get over yourself and move on. It's going live and that's it.The MAJORITY of us like them and want them.

Message Edited by Naggybait on 10-30-2005 12:23 PM

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First - prove your 'majority' and 'minority' figures.  posters on this forum are not a statisticly significant sample. 

Second, you're wrong.  Players never asked for these models, SoE was having them deveoped for the Asian market before we, the players ever heard of them.

Message Edited by Calthine on 10-31-2005 11:04 AM

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Players did ask for them. We were not the reason they were made, but once we saw them  ALOT of us wanted them. as for the whine about " no control over which model  other see you as"  just get over it. YOU have no right to impose your view/choice on me or my computer when there is an option such as this.

Message Edited by Warpax on 10-31-2005 03:09 PM

[Feaw]

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Diernes wrote:

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Gaige wrote:

It kind of irritates me that not everyone can see my toon in Very High Quality like I do.  It greatly takes away from his appearance imho.  Then I realize that *I* can see him that way, and that's truly all that matters.

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I see what you are saying, but I created the character to project how I wanted people to percieve him. High quality or not, there is still some continuity.

There isnt with these soga models, and I think it makes the game inconsistant.

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I simpathise with you as I dont like most of the soga models ether and  my character's looks are very very important to me but in all reality you can not dictate to others how to see things.   Nor should anyone IMO.

[Naggyba]

First - the majority of the players on this forum DID ask for them. I don't have to prove anything. It's right here in these forums in black and white. Go look for yourself.Second - I'm not wrong at all. SOE had them made for the asian market and the players on this VERY forum got links and saw actual pictures posted. The players liked them and DID ask for the option of SOGA models. Do your research before you claim to be right. SOE did nothing more than grant what the majority of hte people on this forum asked for.You're still so stuck on yourself and insecure and vain that you think you have the right to take away my option ot see the models as I see fit on my own computer.

Message Edited by Naggybait on 10-31-2005 03:15 PM

[Doggi]

I can't hear it anymore. It's just an OPTION!!

If you like your character in the US Version, its fine for you!

Some people like the SOGA Charakters, some not.... thats why SOE gives us the OPTION.

Whine whine whine oh how evil is SOE for giving us an OPTION.......

OPTION, nothing more, just an option, you don't need to turn it on.

I do not really understand why some people don't get it in their head..... sry.....

[TheyLi]

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Feawin wrote:

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Diernes wrote:

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Gaige wrote:

It kind of irritates me that not everyone can see my toon in Very High Quality like I do.  It greatly takes away from his appearance imho.  Then I realize that *I* can see him that way, and that's truly all that matters.

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I see what you are saying, but I created the character to project how I wanted people to percieve him. High quality or not, there is still some continuity.

There isnt with these soga models, and I think it makes the game inconsistant.

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I simpathise with you as I dont like most of the soga models ether and  my character's looks are very very important to me but in all reality you can not dictate to others how to see things.   Nor should anyone IMO.

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Oh really? Consider this then: What if SOE made a client-side graphics option that made all female characters in the game completely nude, and that any emote they did became a lewd/obscene animation. Would you have any problem with that, since you wouldn't see it personally, but thats how others could see you if they chose?

[Eepop]

Even now, you don't really control how people see your character.  The appearance of your character can be pretty varied depending on what settings the viewing computer is running at.

[JuJut]

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TheyLive wrote:

Oh really? Consider this then: What if SOE made a client-side graphics option that made all female characters in the game completely nude, and that any emote they did became a lewd/obscene animation. Would you have any problem with that, since you wouldn't see it personally, but thats how others could see you if they chose?

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Lol. Talk about a stretch.....you've gone off the deep end now.

[Cynto]

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TheyLive wrote:

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Feawin wrote:

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Diernes wrote:

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Gaige wrote:

It kind of irritates me that not everyone can see my toon in Very High Quality like I do.  It greatly takes away from his appearance imho.  Then I realize that *I* can see him that way, and that's truly all that matters.

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I see what you are saying, but I created the character to project how I wanted people to percieve him. High quality or not, there is still some continuity.

There isnt with these soga models, and I think it makes the game inconsistant.

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I simpathise with you as I dont like most of the soga models ether and  my character's looks are very very important to me but in all reality you can not dictate to others how to see things.   Nor should anyone IMO.

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Oh really? Consider this then: What if SOE made a client-side graphics option that made all female characters in the game completely nude, and that any emote they did became a lewd/obscene animation. Would you have any problem with that, since you wouldn't see it personally, but thats how others could see you if they chose?

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/sarcasam on

Yeah, cause ya know, THAT comparison is SOOOO similar! Yup! SOGA models will have you humping gnome noses for every emote!

/sarcasam off

Get over yourself! If i wanted i could turn on /cutemode right now and comment about how your hardcore half elf assassin was sooo cute! and ya know what? It wouldn't make a bit of difference, because as lonng as YOU think you look hardcore, you look hardcore. Half the people in game make faces for their charachter I don't understand now, and they probably think they look cool/sexey/whatever. Frequently i wonder how many times their charachters parents family inbred to make them look like they have an extra chromasome or look completely insane.

No one will see you the way you see yourself, and why? Because we all have different tastes. Just because you think you look cool dosn't mean that the other 99.999% of us don't think you look like a [Removed for Content]. Just relax, and deal with it, because reguardless of how much complaining you do, SOGA is coming, and you are powerless to stop it, period.

[Schirf]

Did you consider that some players may always play with Infravision turned on? Ever imagine how that character sees you?  I'd have no problem if some player wrote code to make all female Trolls (including mine) look, to him/her, as Ms. Pacman.   "No, you delusional freak, I don't have a huge yellow head."  I've always assumed that the Cats saw Rats as walking hunks of meat anyway.

[Stavenh]

Ok, to get this straight.People are complainging, that their toons might or will look different on someone elses computer because that person selected to use some or all of the SOGA models.Check.Anyone complaining about this or demanding that Sony make it so it can be blocked have serious mental issues and needs to stop playing these games. The fact you want to make it so people you don't even know, playing miles and miles away see you as you want to be seen is very disturbing in many ways.It's people like this that ruin the game.

[TheyLi]

It's not a stretch, thats an example that disproves the notion that people should have no say in how others see them. Someone could probably program an EQ2 mod that makes all female characters nude, and using your logic, nobody would have the right to complain about it even if 75%+ of the population of eq2 was using it. The fact of the matter is, just because some of you are satisfied with the SOGA version of your race, doesn't mean everyone is. I'm not trying to stop SOGA from coming, i'm saying there should be a choice in whether or not you are displayed as the SOGA model to others, because having a choice is never a bad thing. And as a matter of fact, there is no difference in the comparison I made, having my percieved appearance changed to a effeminate anime/emo reject is as offensive to me as the aforementioned nude mod might be to the 'victims' of it. I won't begin to explain why, because if you can't comprehend the notion of wanting a choice, you couldn't possibly understand the reasoning behind it.

[Warpax]

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TheyLive wrote:

It's not a stretch, thats an example that disproves the notion that people should have no say in how others see them. Someone could probably program an EQ2 mod that makes all female characters nude, and using your logic, nobody would have the right to complain about it even if 75%+ of the population of eq2 was using it. The fact of the matter is, just because some of you are satisfied with the SOGA version of your race, doesn't mean everyone is. I'm not trying to stop SOGA from coming, i'm saying there should be a choice in whether or not you are displayed as the SOGA model to others, because having a choice is never a bad thing. And as a matter of fact, there is no difference in the comparison I made, having my percieved appearance changed to a effeminate anime/emo reject is as offensive to me as the aforementioned nude mod might be to the 'victims' of it. I won't begin to explain why, because if you can't comprehend the notion of wanting a choice, you couldn't possibly understand the reasoning behind it.

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You have a choice. How YOU see YOUR characters is all up to you. Inr egards to how other see your character; why dont you pretend that everything is the way ot was before SOGA was made available. You will never know if a person sees you one way or the other unless you ask or they tell. What you dont know wont hurt you.

[Stavenh]

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TheyLive wrote:

It's not a stretch, thats an example that disproves the notion that people should have no say in how others see them. Someone could probably program an EQ2 mod that makes all female characters nude, and using your logic, nobody would have the right to complain about it even if 75%+ of the population of eq2 was using it. The fact of the matter is, just because some of you are satisfied with the SOGA version of your race, doesn't mean everyone is. I'm not trying to stop SOGA from coming, i'm saying there should be a choice in whether or not you are displayed as the SOGA model to others, because having a choice is never a bad thing. And as a matter of fact, there is no difference in the comparison I made, having my percieved appearance changed to a effeminate anime/emo reject is as offensive to me as the aforementioned nude mod might be to the 'victims' of it. I won't begin to explain why, because if you can't comprehend the notion of wanting a choice, you couldn't possibly understand the reasoning behind it.

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No you are wrong. Why? Because you are trying to force someone to do what you want, when it's not your dime they are playing on. This isn't a case of choice, this is a case of some one pathetically trying to force their own wants onto others. You are wrong, wrong, wrong. You don't have the choice to force someone to your standards. And the fact that it's over a video game is even more distrubing. And while I understand the idea behind choice, what you don't understand is that this isn't a case of choice. Your only putting it that way to try and sound logical. Again pathetic.Stop.

Message Edited by Stavenham on 10-31-2005 02:19 PM

[Belgor]

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TheyLive wrote:

It's not a stretch, thats an example that disproves the notion that people should have no say in how others see them. Someone could probably program an EQ2 mod that makes all female characters nude, and using your logic, nobody would have the right to complain about it even if 75%+ of the population of eq2 was using it. The fact of the matter is, just because some of you are satisfied with the SOGA version of your race, doesn't mean everyone is. I'm not trying to stop SOGA from coming, i'm saying there should be a choice in whether or not you are displayed as the SOGA model to others, because having a choice is never a bad thing. And as a matter of fact, there is no difference in the comparison I made, having my percieved appearance changed to a effeminate anime/emo reject is as offensive to me as the aforementioned nude mod might be to the 'victims' of it. I won't begin to explain why, because if you can't comprehend the notion of wanting a choice, you couldn't possibly understand the reasoning behind it.

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But do you comprehend that it is not feasible from a performance standpoint to run all the models at once?

[Schirf]

There is nothing lewd about the SOGA models.  The "nude model" example is typical irrational poster hyperbole and doesn't apply.  Ok, so the /cute mode isn't a perfect example either, but who cares?  We're talking about some people seeing a race (including your toon) differently from how other people see members of that race.   I'm not sure that this doesn't model real life, if you think about it.

And you WILL have some control over how those people see your toon.   First, you can use the limited SOGA customizations and make your toon appear in some way.  No, it may not be the same, but at least you have choices.  Second, if that's not enough, wear a helm.  Thirdly, you can /exit and play a Kerran or leave EQII.  Then you'll be in total control...

Message Edited by Schirf on 10-31-2005 02:40 PM