wyrmsteel changes why?

Vas · 06-16-2005, 08:04 AM

I am a Member of Forged Souls a guild that worked very very hard to get to guild level 30. Even now after all this time there are only a few guild at that level. Now you are giving away one of the 2 items in the game that distiguishes a guild level 30 guild from level 25 guild. The truth of the matter is that it takes almost as much time and effort to get from 25-30 as it does to get from 1-25. If your basicly handing out rewards to guild level 25 guild then there had better be some really nice tangable benifits for being guild level 30. Because after this patch there is none short of a 60 plat horse/carpet that no one can afford. This is a flat out slap in the face to all the level 30 guilds. It seems that since some guild dont have the drive or desire to get to guild level 30 your giving them rewards for setteling. No guild will bother ever leveling beyond 25 now because there will be no point.

I have to say that most people feel that Wyrmsteel is a useless guild level 30 reward due to the very mediocre stats. I was happy letting the general public believe this. The truth is that wyrmsteel weapons are huge DPS to the targets they affect.

I have to express my concern that this element of the game is sorely lacking. I feel that there should be more concideration for guild who have done the hard work for this level.

Message Edited by Vasel on 06-15-2005 11:59 PM

mymTwRa · 06-16-2005, 10:21 AM

i have to agree totally!

I can't even express myself... i'm speechless....

Vathral · 06-16-2005, 10:26 AM

wait wait....you mean to tell me they going to change some of the guild lvl 30 goodies to 25? That really sucks. The way it is now is the way it should. So many guilds can hit 25 soooo much easier than 30 and its gonna [Removed for Content] off those that worked so hard on getting 30. edit: wow, just saw LU11 notes and I agree, the wyrmsteel thing sucks.

Message Edited by Vathral on 06-16-2005 02:31 AM

Fairuza · 06-16-2005, 10:49 AM

This already hit the live servers.

Vathral · 06-16-2005, 11:20 AM

Fairuza wrote:
This already hit the live servers.

Dont see it anywhere. 8(

Draq · 06-16-2005, 01:49 PM

This change hit TC yesterday (thats why this thread is in testing feedback SMILEY ) and I agree, I don't see the point why they should take this reward away from the lvl 30 guilds and leave them with a horse and a carpet that most people will never be able to afford.

I want to see 1!! good point why this will be changed and if they push this to live, I really hope we get something new for guild lvl 30.

Lodor · 06-16-2005, 04:54 PM

Like noted above this change is currently on live servers or atleast was a few days ago.

Guilds that were GL 25+ could buy the book off the tradeskill merchant on Befallen server.

Urglu · 06-16-2005, 05:14 PM

Yup this is (or was) live already, a lvl 26 guild on Najena has the book and has made WS.

I'm so glad I did writs for 2 months straight for a horse/carpet a can't afford.

Draq · 06-16-2005, 05:16 PM

Wait... so they anounce a change on wednesday 15th for a patch on the 28th but push that stuff live a few days before they anounce it? SMILEY :smileyindifferent: :smileymad:

Are they trying to make EQ2 into SWG? is this the SWG forum? lol

WAPCE · 06-16-2005, 05:19 PM

Urglunt wrote:
Yup this is (or was) live already, a lvl 26 guild on Najena has the book and has made WS.

I'm so glad I did writs for 2 months straight for a horse/carpet a can't afford.

Same on Crushbone. Grats goes to Legends.

Saeldar · 06-16-2005, 05:27 PM

Why are people surprised about this? They've been doing this since day 1, they want to get WoW's number of subscribers so they will constantly be making change so that everything is attainable with little to effort. They see that very few guilds are level 30...so rather then introduce more incentive for players to work and get there...they remove it by giving the reward to lower level guilds. I'm a casual player but I like to have a challenge, my guild is level 21...with about only 8 active players...we work very hard to level it. I'm disapointed to see a move like this.

Urglu · 06-16-2005, 05:36 PM

LoL Val, that is almost word for word (except the WoW part) the prviate response given to one of my guild members for this change.

Personally I'm going with the explanation suggested by an old guildie: SOE is run by NASA space monkeys. :smileysurprised:

Vuron · 06-16-2005, 05:40 PM

I will start by saying that I understand your point about trying to reach 30 and then getting the rewards nerfed. Yes, wyrmsteel was one of the only rewards left at 30 besides the carpet and spirit steed that was worthwhile.

Having said that, I think the change makes perfect sense from a gameplay perspective, and the reward may even be better suited as a level 20 reward. The entire point of wyrmsteel is to help with fire & ice and deception. Guilds should strive to get their levels up so that they could get a good weapon to use against these raids. Unfortunately, by the time most guilds got to lvl 30, they had already been farming the drakotas and Darathar for weeks or months using their prismatics which made wyrmsteel much less valuable.

What sense does it make to get prismatics before wyrmsteel?

kaoriknigh · 06-16-2005, 05:57 PM

Well I am a little [Removed for Content] about this change as well... My guild is finally 30% from 30... we've flew through the past 3 levels lately and were actually looking forward to being Lv 30. Then last night someone starts linking Wyrmsteel in the trader channel-- I send some tells and find out its from a guild thats only Lv 26. After being given the run around and some lies I did some investigating to find that they stealth changed the Wyrmsteel recipe to Lv 25.

This is simply rediculous-- for one there is literally NO reason to get to Lv 30 now except for the mounts and clothes, sorry thats just not good enough. The stealth change to Lv 25 also screwed anyone close to 30 who would have been the first on their server et c. All that work and sense of accomplishment down the drain.

I seriously hope they add something to Guild Lv 30 because its seriously lacking now.

Saeldar · 06-16-2005, 06:48 PM

I think SoE probably realized that people are not leveling guilds all that much. Most of it is probably done as a side effect of doing "heritage" quest rather then a true effort to level the guild. Sadly, I think they are not looking at the real issues as to why this is happening. That move is a perfect example of this...there are very few reasons to actually level guilds. The rewards for doing so are for the most part...extremely poor. So rather then go about providing more incentive for people to level their guilds...they give the reward at lower level so more people can acheive them... Look at your guild system seriously. I was exciting when I heard about it before beta, like many other things it ended up being but a shadow of what it could have been. I think Splitpaw provides an interesting technology that should defintly be used for guilds...scalable instances... Right now...we get a "guild raid" every 5 levels...I'm not sure how it went for other guilds...but till now, all of them have been grey to us when we got them. One of the big reward of leveling the guild has proven to be useless. Use splitpaw technology, and scale the guild raids from 20 to 50...so that a level 50 guild has 10 guidl raids to do at level 50. You have different factions which mean nothing...have guilds make formal allegiance to 1 faction...provide different bonuses to that guild based on the faction they ally with. Make those bonuses scale up as the guild levels. Provide more special "recipes" for crafters at each 5 levels of guild progression. There's probably tons more you could do...but please do something...provide incentive to level a guild...rather then give away the rewards more easily because people are not leveling their guilds.

Handleba · 06-16-2005, 07:09 PM

THis change is on live servers now, my guildie bought the book and has crafted some weapons already.

CoebyWu · 06-16-2005, 07:28 PM

Wow...... what a slap in the face of guilds that worked hard to achieve level 30. Not only the fact that they changed it, but they went ahead and dropped it to live without telling anyone, effectively undermining any guild that was working hard to achieve wyrmsteel weapons, whether they were close to GL30 or already GL30. Why again did my friends and I push hard to GL30? Oh, that's right, so we could drop 240p on special mounts that will probably get outdated in this Fall's expansion when everyone gets carpets. But now I'm wondering, because of this change, it probably means that we'll NEED wyrmsteel weapons now because they plan on making those epic encounters much harder. I'm just completely miffed.....

Kenazeer · 06-16-2005, 07:37 PM

Vuron00 wrote:

I will start by saying that I understand your point about trying to reach 30 and then getting the rewards nerfed. Yes, wyrmsteel was one of the only rewards left at 30 besides the carpet and spirit steed that was worthwhile.

Having said that, I think the change makes perfect sense from a gameplay perspective, and the reward may even be better suited as a level 20 reward. The entire point of wyrmsteel is to help with fire & ice and deception. Guilds should strive to get their levels up so that they could get a good weapon to use against these raids. Unfortunately, by the time most guilds got to lvl 30, they had already been farming the drakotas and Darathar for weeks or months using their prismatics which made wyrmsteel much less valuable.

What sense does it make to get prismatics before wyrmsteel?

Dunno...perhaps the evilly cunning SoE alrady had plans for the twin dragons in the expansion?......nah.....that would probably be giving them too much credit.

I hate that they "trivialize" stuff that some people have worked so hard to get. Our guild is still just a smidgen shy of 24, so we had a long way to go, but it was something to works towards. Now, we look forward to.....?

BdybldKris · 06-16-2005, 10:14 PM

I'm sorry, I've parsed dps multiple times and Wyrmsteel sucks.....I have crap dps with it compared to my other weapons including my Prismatic.....I wish they'd make them more effective rather than dropping the guild level needed to make them.

Eet · 06-16-2005, 11:42 PM

Instead of making wyrmsteel weapons worth the work, SOE undercuts the 2+ extra months of work it takes to level a guild from 25 to 30? And implements it unannounced?

MiscreantPy · 06-16-2005, 11:46 PM

This hit Antonia Bayle quite a while ago.

KimSukM · 06-17-2005, 12:55 AM

"I think SoE probably realized that people are not leveling guilds all that much. Most of it is probably done as a side effect of doing "heritage" quest rather then a true effort to level the guild."Quoted from above and is absolutely true.Lots of folks do heritages cause they're cool and oyu get nice items / title etc... but I'm in a lvl 30 guild, let me tell you it takes about 70% of getting to 30 by doing writs writs writs. Heritages get you to... 25! actually about 23-24 heh, so basically you can get to the "golden level" by just doing quests you'd do anyways and not putting in the real grind to hit 30. This absolutely sucks to a guild who has hit lvl 30, such as myself. Interestingly enough I've had discussion with others in lower level guilds sayin "Oh, it's only fair because unless you're in a high lvl guild you can't get these items, so individual effort won't help" well... that's just terribly convienient then. SMILEY

Please spoon feed us more and make the game even more trivial. Any real work is rewarded with making it worthless.Next thing you know, you'll be level 50 and they'll 2x the xp you get and make heroic mobs into solo mobs. That way you can hit lvl 50 by solo farming in 10 days.

Met · 06-17-2005, 12:57 AM

Where are people buying this book on the qeynos side???

Jaffa Tamarin · 06-17-2005, 03:54 AM

I think everyone complaining about this because it trivializes the efforts of those who have already achieved GL30 ought to be more concerned about the current stupid-easy 45+ writs where adventurers can get writs from two different factions for the same target mob.

Walnu · 06-17-2005, 03:59 AM

More dumbing down....I just don't understand it.

Meela · 06-17-2005, 04:34 AM

Guild level 30 was already unrewarding. This change really makes a mockery of it.

Merith · 06-17-2005, 05:33 AM

BS flag has been thrown in!!!!!

[expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] it.. My guild and I worked [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] hard to get there first... This is totatly lame...

Chryo · 06-17-2005, 06:21 AM

Vasel wrote:
I have to say that most people feel that Wyrmsteel is a useless guild level 30 reward due to the very mediocre stats. I was happy letting the general public believe this. The truth is that wyrmsteel weapons are huge DPS to the targets they affect.

Hm... better DPS than Prismatics and the better ones of the Fabled Weapons out there? Do you have logs to prove that? But even if that's the case - what is the point? There is no difficult dragon out there, since Darathar 2.0 was changed in difficulty. Even if Wyrmsteel weapons are better against dragons than all other weapons available, all they can possibly achieve is turning an easy encounter into a very easy encounter - killing a mob in 12 minutes instaed of 15 maybe? That's not really useful in my opinion, compared to the effort or time required to level a guild to 30 or even 25. Of course they could try and come up with an encounter in the expansion that requires Wyrmsteel. But I doubt that Wyrmsteel weapons were introduced for the expansion in the first place.

Armill · 06-17-2005, 07:09 AM

I think, im not super sure but the reason i think they did this is because of the lack of them in the game. I mean im up there in levels but I've yet to see one on Antonia Bayle, I just assume no one could make them. Maybe now they will be seen in the game, its another way for crafters to make money for ya. But Im just positive that they did it so they would actualy become useful. Another thing I mean how many of you have lots of strange black ore because they don't sell and there useless now it gives them a purpose. I just guess thats why they did it.

Ethelwo · 06-17-2005, 07:29 AM

For sake of argument, will wyrmsteel still be good at L60, I doubt it. In just a few months an expansion will be released and folks will be moving up past L50 to L60. Many of these folks play in guilds that may not reach L30 by the time the expansion comes out. This L30 guild reward will become next to worthless after the expansion comes out because newer and better items will be in the game. Why would SOE want to include a guild reward meant for players L50 when the top Level will change to 60 and the reward is meaningless at the level.

Thats why it's being pushed down because the value of wyrmsteel will soon be nerfed do to the level increase included in the expansion that will be released soon.

Many players will ding L60 long before their guilds ding L30.

06-16-2005, 08:04 AM	#1
Vas Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6	I am a Member of Forged Souls a guild that worked very very hard to get to guild level 30. Even now after all this time there are only a few guild at that level. Now you are giving away one of the 2 items in the game that distiguishes a guild level 30 guild from level 25 guild. The truth of the matter is that it takes almost as much time and effort to get from 25-30 as it does to get from 1-25. If your basicly handing out rewards to guild level 25 guild then there had better be some really nice tangable benifits for being guild level 30. Because after this patch there is none short of a 60 plat horse/carpet that no one can afford. This is a flat out slap in the face to all the level 30 guilds. It seems that since some guild dont have the drive or desire to get to guild level 30 your giving them rewards for setteling. No guild will bother ever leveling beyond 25 now because there will be no point. I have to say that most people feel that Wyrmsteel is a useless guild level 30 reward due to the very mediocre stats. I was happy letting the general public believe this. The truth is that wyrmsteel weapons are huge DPS to the targets they affect. I have to express my concern that this element of the game is sorely lacking. I feel that there should be more concideration for guild who have done the hard work for this level. Message Edited by Vasel on 06-15-2005 11:59 PM __________________ Vasel 50 Ranger Fires of Heaven, Permafrost

06-16-2005, 10:21 AM	#2
mymTwRa Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 115	i have to agree totally! I can't even express myself... i'm speechless.... __________________

06-16-2005, 10:26 AM	#3
Vathral Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 66	wait wait....you mean to tell me they going to change some of the guild lvl 30 goodies to 25? That really sucks. The way it is now is the way it should. So many guilds can hit 25 soooo much easier than 30 and its gonna [Removed for Content] off those that worked so hard on getting 30. edit: wow, just saw LU11 notes and I agree, the wyrmsteel thing sucks. Message Edited by Vathral on 06-16-2005 02:31 AM __________________ ~60 Wood Elf Templar

06-16-2005, 10:49 AM	#4
Fairuza Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 29	This already hit the live servers. __________________ Fairuza Orkoiyot Legends Crushbone

06-16-2005, 11:20 AM	#5
Vathral Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 66	Fairuza wrote: This already hit the live servers. Dont see it anywhere. 8( __________________ ~60 Wood Elf Templar

06-16-2005, 01:49 PM	#6
Draq Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 470	This change hit TC yesterday (thats why this thread is in testing feedback ) and I agree, I don't see the point why they should take this reward away from the lvl 30 guilds and leave them with a horse and a carpet that most people will never be able to afford. I want to see 1!! good point why this will be changed and if they push this to live, I really hope we get something new for guild lvl 30.

06-16-2005, 04:54 PM	#7
Lodor Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 237	Like noted above this change is currently on live servers or atleast was a few days ago. Guilds that were GL 25+ could buy the book off the tradeskill merchant on Befallen server.

06-16-2005, 05:14 PM	#8
Urglu Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 129	Yup this is (or was) live already, a lvl 26 guild on Najena has the book and has made WS. I'm so glad I did writs for 2 months straight for a horse/carpet a can't afford.

06-16-2005, 05:16 PM	#9
Draq Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 470	Wait... so they anounce a change on wednesday 15th for a patch on the 28th but push that stuff live a few days before they anounce it? :smileyindifferent: :smileymad: Are they trying to make EQ2 into SWG? is this the SWG forum? lol

06-16-2005, 05:19 PM	#10
WAPCE Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 774	Urglunt wrote: Yup this is (or was) live already, a lvl 26 guild on Najena has the book and has made WS. I'm so glad I did writs for 2 months straight for a horse/carpet a can't afford. Same on Crushbone. Grats goes to Legends. __________________ Adblock Plus (with EasyList x3) Flashblock

06-16-2005, 05:27 PM	#11
Saeldar Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 23	Why are people surprised about this? They've been doing this since day 1, they want to get WoW's number of subscribers so they will constantly be making change so that everything is attainable with little to effort. They see that very few guilds are level 30...so rather then introduce more incentive for players to work and get there...they remove it by giving the reward to lower level guilds. I'm a casual player but I like to have a challenge, my guild is level 21...with about only 8 active players...we work very hard to level it. I'm disapointed to see a move like this.

06-16-2005, 05:36 PM	#12
Urglu Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 129	LoL Val, that is almost word for word (except the WoW part) the prviate response given to one of my guild members for this change. Personally I'm going with the explanation suggested by an old guildie: SOE is run by NASA space monkeys. :smileysurprised:

06-16-2005, 05:40 PM	#13
Vuron Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 57	I will start by saying that I understand your point about trying to reach 30 and then getting the rewards nerfed. Yes, wyrmsteel was one of the only rewards left at 30 besides the carpet and spirit steed that was worthwhile. Having said that, I think the change makes perfect sense from a gameplay perspective, and the reward may even be better suited as a level 20 reward. The entire point of wyrmsteel is to help with fire & ice and deception. Guilds should strive to get their levels up so that they could get a good weapon to use against these raids. Unfortunately, by the time most guilds got to lvl 30, they had already been farming the drakotas and Darathar for weeks or months using their prismatics which made wyrmsteel much less valuable. What sense does it make to get prismatics before wyrmsteel?

06-16-2005, 05:57 PM	#14
kaoriknigh Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 175	Well I am a little [Removed for Content] about this change as well... My guild is finally 30% from 30... we've flew through the past 3 levels lately and were actually looking forward to being Lv 30. Then last night someone starts linking Wyrmsteel in the trader channel-- I send some tells and find out its from a guild thats only Lv 26. After being given the run around and some lies I did some investigating to find that they stealth changed the Wyrmsteel recipe to Lv 25. This is simply rediculous-- for one there is literally NO reason to get to Lv 30 now except for the mounts and clothes, sorry thats just not good enough. The stealth change to Lv 25 also screwed anyone close to 30 who would have been the first on their server et c. All that work and sense of accomplishment down the drain. I seriously hope they add something to Guild Lv 30 because its seriously lacking now.

06-16-2005, 06:48 PM	#15
Saeldar Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 23	I think SoE probably realized that people are not leveling guilds all that much. Most of it is probably done as a side effect of doing "heritage" quest rather then a true effort to level the guild. Sadly, I think they are not looking at the real issues as to why this is happening. That move is a perfect example of this...there are very few reasons to actually level guilds. The rewards for doing so are for the most part...extremely poor. So rather then go about providing more incentive for people to level their guilds...they give the reward at lower level so more people can acheive them... Look at your guild system seriously. I was exciting when I heard about it before beta, like many other things it ended up being but a shadow of what it could have been. I think Splitpaw provides an interesting technology that should defintly be used for guilds...scalable instances... Right now...we get a "guild raid" every 5 levels...I'm not sure how it went for other guilds...but till now, all of them have been grey to us when we got them. One of the big reward of leveling the guild has proven to be useless. Use splitpaw technology, and scale the guild raids from 20 to 50...so that a level 50 guild has 10 guidl raids to do at level 50. You have different factions which mean nothing...have guilds make formal allegiance to 1 faction...provide different bonuses to that guild based on the faction they ally with. Make those bonuses scale up as the guild levels. Provide more special "recipes" for crafters at each 5 levels of guild progression. There's probably tons more you could do...but please do something...provide incentive to level a guild...rather then give away the rewards more easily because people are not leveling their guilds.

06-16-2005, 07:09 PM	#16
Handleba Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 451	THis change is on live servers now, my guildie bought the book and has crafted some weapons already. __________________ Shadoweyz of The Rallosian Guard Level 70 Brigand Befallen Server I always edit for content, not grammar!

06-16-2005, 07:28 PM	#17
CoebyWu Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 42	Wow...... what a slap in the face of guilds that worked hard to achieve level 30. Not only the fact that they changed it, but they went ahead and dropped it to live without telling anyone, effectively undermining any guild that was working hard to achieve wyrmsteel weapons, whether they were close to GL30 or already GL30. Why again did my friends and I push hard to GL30? Oh, that's right, so we could drop 240p on special mounts that will probably get outdated in this Fall's expansion when everyone gets carpets. But now I'm wondering, because of this change, it probably means that we'll NEED wyrmsteel weapons now because they plan on making those epic encounters much harder. I'm just completely miffed..... __________________

06-16-2005, 07:37 PM	#18
Kenazeer Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,178	Vuron00 wrote: I will start by saying that I understand your point about trying to reach 30 and then getting the rewards nerfed. Yes, wyrmsteel was one of the only rewards left at 30 besides the carpet and spirit steed that was worthwhile. Having said that, I think the change makes perfect sense from a gameplay perspective, and the reward may even be better suited as a level 20 reward. The entire point of wyrmsteel is to help with fire & ice and deception. Guilds should strive to get their levels up so that they could get a good weapon to use against these raids. Unfortunately, by the time most guilds got to lvl 30, they had already been farming the drakotas and Darathar for weeks or months using their prismatics which made wyrmsteel much less valuable. What sense does it make to get prismatics before wyrmsteel? Dunno...perhaps the evilly cunning SoE alrady had plans for the twin dragons in the expansion?......nah.....that would probably be giving them too much credit. I hate that they "trivialize" stuff that some people have worked so hard to get. Our guild is still just a smidgen shy of 24, so we had a long way to go, but it was something to works towards. Now, we look forward to.....? __________________ Come play EQ2...we have SOEmote, Dungeon Finder, and Dungeon Maker.

06-16-2005, 10:14 PM	#19
BdybldKris Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 37	I'm sorry, I've parsed dps multiple times and Wyrmsteel sucks.....I have crap dps with it compared to my other weapons including my Prismatic.....I wish they'd make them more effective rather than dropping the guild level needed to make them. __________________

06-16-2005, 11:42 PM	#20
Eet General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 43	Instead of making wyrmsteel weapons worth the work, SOE undercuts the 2+ extra months of work it takes to level a guild from 25 to 30? And implements it unannounced? __________________ eetums ~ TLW

06-16-2005, 11:46 PM	#21
MiscreantPy Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 197	This hit Antonia Bayle quite a while ago. __________________ Symphonia -70 Buffbot / 62 Armorer, Halcyon Affinity Stop calling me dps.

06-17-2005, 12:55 AM	#22
KimSukM Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 2	"I think SoE probably realized that people are not leveling guilds all that much. Most of it is probably done as a side effect of doing "heritage" quest rather then a true effort to level the guild."Quoted from above and is absolutely true.Lots of folks do heritages cause they're cool and oyu get nice items / title etc... but I'm in a lvl 30 guild, let me tell you it takes about 70% of getting to 30 by doing writs writs writs. Heritages get you to... 25! actually about 23-24 heh, so basically you can get to the "golden level" by just doing quests you'd do anyways and not putting in the real grind to hit 30. This absolutely sucks to a guild who has hit lvl 30, such as myself. Interestingly enough I've had discussion with others in lower level guilds sayin "Oh, it's only fair because unless you're in a high lvl guild you can't get these items, so individual effort won't help" well... that's just terribly convienient then. Please spoon feed us more and make the game even more trivial. Any real work is rewarded with making it worthless.Next thing you know, you'll be level 50 and they'll 2x the xp you get and make heroic mobs into solo mobs. That way you can hit lvl 50 by solo farming in 10 days. __________________ lvl 50 Weaponsmith, Najena

06-17-2005, 12:57 AM	#23
Met General Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 20	Where are people buying this book on the qeynos side??? __________________ Rillix Brigand of Ne Plus Ultra First Brigand to 100AA worldwide

06-17-2005, 03:54 AM	#24
Jaffa Tamarin Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 208	I think everyone complaining about this because it trivializes the efforts of those who have already achieved GL30 ought to be more concerned about the current stupid-easy 45+ writs where adventurers can get writs from two different factions for the same target mob. __________________ Fluffy list

06-17-2005, 03:59 AM	#25
Walnu Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 55	More dumbing down....I just don't understand it. __________________

06-17-2005, 04:34 AM	#26
Meela Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1	Guild level 30 was already unrewarding. This change really makes a mockery of it. __________________

06-17-2005, 05:33 AM	#27
Merith Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1	BS flag has been thrown in!!!!! [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] it.. My guild and I worked [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot] hard to get there first... This is totatly lame... __________________ Fizbones Level 43 Weaponsmith Bane, Blackburrow

06-17-2005, 06:21 AM	#28
Chryo Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 86	Vasel wrote: I have to say that most people feel that Wyrmsteel is a useless guild level 30 reward due to the very mediocre stats. I was happy letting the general public believe this. The truth is that wyrmsteel weapons are huge DPS to the targets they affect. Hm... better DPS than Prismatics and the better ones of the Fabled Weapons out there? Do you have logs to prove that? But even if that's the case - what is the point? There is no difficult dragon out there, since Darathar 2.0 was changed in difficulty. Even if Wyrmsteel weapons are better against dragons than all other weapons available, all they can possibly achieve is turning an easy encounter into a very easy encounter - killing a mob in 12 minutes instaed of 15 maybe? That's not really useful in my opinion, compared to the effort or time required to level a guild to 30 or even 25. Of course they could try and come up with an encounter in the expansion that requires Wyrmsteel. But I doubt that Wyrmsteel weapons were introduced for the expansion in the first place. __________________

06-17-2005, 07:09 AM	#29
Armill Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 157	I think, im not super sure but the reason i think they did this is because of the lack of them in the game. I mean im up there in levels but I've yet to see one on Antonia Bayle, I just assume no one could make them. Maybe now they will be seen in the game, its another way for crafters to make money for ya. But Im just positive that they did it so they would actualy become useful. Another thing I mean how many of you have lots of strange black ore because they don't sell and there useless now it gives them a purpose. I just guess thats why they did it.

06-17-2005, 07:29 AM	#30
Ethelwo General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 212	For sake of argument, will wyrmsteel still be good at L60, I doubt it. In just a few months an expansion will be released and folks will be moving up past L50 to L60. Many of these folks play in guilds that may not reach L30 by the time the expansion comes out. This L30 guild reward will become next to worthless after the expansion comes out because newer and better items will be in the game. Why would SOE want to include a guild reward meant for players L50 when the top Level will change to 60 and the reward is meaningless at the level. Thats why it's being pushed down because the value of wyrmsteel will soon be nerfed do to the level increase included in the expansion that will be released soon. Many players will ding L60 long before their guilds ding L30.