Mounts?

[MasterMerl]

Why are you lowering the speed buffs on the mounts??

[Vampiro]

Yeah whats the deal with the mount nerfs? I have read numerous threads where the Paladin mount was not going to be touched.

 

Now a complete 180* ?!?!?!?!

[Jackkal]

Guess they didnt like what I had to say.My reply was deleted

[Linolil]

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Jackkal wrote:Guess they didnt like what I had to say.My reply was deleted

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I suspect a forum clitch... They tend to be vocal about deletions.

[Jackkal]

maybe.Anyways, I mentioned the huge "success" of another MMPOG after a huge change was made.

[Linolil]

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Jackkal wrote:maybe.Anyways, I mentioned the huge "success" of another MMPOG after a huge change was made.

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Actually, if it was about Horizon, I saw that post. I was actually surprised to find it was still in operation.

[MaximumCarna]

I guess they realized the impact speed can have, so changed mounts to be more in line with challenge level of the game.

[Dimidri]

Mounts are fluff skills that weren't supposed to have a speed buff to being with. They're being nice by leaving 10% on.

[ElvenChaos]

The horses for Paladins and SK's are given at lvl 20...just like how everyone else gets a "fun" spell at lvl 20.  I can turn myself into a frog, and a lvl 35 i got bat-form.  Everyone else's, including my, fun spells give no bonus to anything, they are purely cosmetic, as should be the same with the SK/Pally Horses.  I for one think this is how it should have been in the first place.  Just doesnt seem fair that a SK can get a horse at lvl 20 while everyone else has to save 2pp+ for one of their own. 

[Miral]

They never said that horses won't be touched, get your foot out of your mouth and the cotton out of your ears (uhh eyes?). Basically they said they had more pressing issues and were to busy/lazy to deal with it at the time.

[Feaw]

I dont like this nerf ether.   It will cause a lot of unhappyness accross the board in the game.   A few people will like it but then they will get board again and start crying to get something else nerfed.   If it wasnt such a noticable percentage I think it might be ok but this I think is a bit too much.  

[Jackkal]

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Feawin wrote:

I dont like this nerf ether. It will cause a lot of unhappyness accross the board in the game. A few people will like it but then they will get board again and start crying to get something else nerfed. If it wasnt such a noticable percentage I think it might be ok but this I think is a bit too much.

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and it wasnt like the horse was that fast anyways.

[Accal]

It's not the class fluff mounts nerf that's bothering me.  Those weren't intended to be as fast as they are.  It's the purchased mount nerf that has me in a tissy.  If I'm going to shell out multiple plat for a mount, I expect it to carry me somewhere.   A possible solution I see, is if the mounts are too fast for the cost then raise the costs don't nerf the speed.  They're really not overly powerful right now.

 

Nerf fluff mounts for all I care... keep purchased mounts the same or give me my money back.

[Miral]

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Vampiro wrote:

Yeah whats the deal with the mount nerfs? I have read numerous threads where the Paladin mount was not going to be touched.

 

Now a complete 180* ?!?!?!?!

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thats what my previous post was in reply to. unfortunately the qote disappeared

[Darken_St]

I am going to lay down the math for the people here.

 

 

Horses Post Nerf-

 

2.5 Plat  +24%

4 Plat  +32%

9 Plat  +40%

Crusader  +10%

 

 

 

Pathfinding 10%

SoW 15% or +8% stacked with Pathfinding

Burst Run +5%

Max a Character on foot Sow'd and Pathfinding'd can achieve whilst burst running +23%, 18% otherwise

 

 

As you can see a 2.5 plat horse is faster than a sow'd and pathfinding'd character while burst running by a margin of 1%

 

Also note that a horse's speed is not encumbant on having 2 other people for buffs, and that Burst run is 30 second intervals

 

 

This means after 30 seconds the low plat horse is then 9% faster than the on foot character

 

 

 

 

 

*this is in response to the comments on purchased horses only, though I list the crusader horse in the post, it is not a factor in this, I am a firm believer that your FLUFF spell, should not be as game affecting as it is. Do not compare it with pathfinding, 10% bonus or no, horses don't expire in 15 mins and arent a group based proximity buff integral to the Scout line from the et go*

[Feaw]

The developers didnt lable them "fluff" , players did.  Should we nerf bear, wolf and cat form?  Sense horses dont stack with sprint how about we make it so the other run speed buffs dont ether?   Im not realy sure about the 10 % on pathfinding ether .  I went out and tested the new horse this morning and couldnt out run a young bear.  My point is really instead of trying to hurt someone else because your spells arnt as good as they should be why dont we ask  to get yours fixed.  Pathfinding is a low run speed because its a spell that scouts get at level 4.  How about we upgrade their pathfinding at level 20 to be better  and soften the nerf on the crusader horse?

 

 

 

 

[Darken_St]

Auspice and the Wolf form are not Fluff Spells.

 

They are not part of the fun spells line.

 

Learn the lines before posting and research before doing the same.

 

Usrine Elder and the Counterpart in Druid lines are both Actual buffs given as an autonmatic ding at lvl 20.

 

The fluff spells are bird and cat forms, purchased for 12s like the rest of ours from the merchants selling their class bonuse spells, Also note, that neither cat nor the druid fluff form give ANY BONUS whatsoever.

 

Information is the key to an effective argument.

Message Edited by Darken_Star on 02-10-2005 01:19 AM

[Sannayven]

First all, Why are the horses getting nerfed?

hmmm... Let me think, You all complained about this since the game came out, you complained that pallys were to fast.

So, they are nerfing them, but guess what, they are nerfing all the other horses too.

Its just like a genie granting a wish, you ask for it and you get it, but you didnt say dont nerf all the horses.

 

2nd , I dont own a horse, but I can sprint faster than a 2.5plat horse, and I can sprint as hast as a 10pp horse with no speed buffs on, just using my jboots.

You can actually bring up a window in game that says your moving speed, so I recomend you look at that and compare that way.

[Darken_St]

Sannayven, you are plain and simple full of it.

 

You cannot outrun a 2.5 plat horse burst running, I pass normal players on foot all the time consistently.

 

You cannot outrun the 2.5 plat horse buffed uness you use vectoring (using angles in terrain to gain downhill movement speed increase)

 

You cannot ever outrun the 4 plat horse, and the 9 plat would leave you sitting in the dirt.

 

Lies do not an effective base make. And before you go claiming to have tested it, again I'll just in advance call you flat out, a liar.

 

 

And as for asked for it. Nope not once didnt care. Do I find it appropriate now? Yes. Do I mind the nerf to a horses I paid plat for, nope not one bit.

[Sannayven]

First off Im not saying you personaly asked for the nerf, but go read the forums, 1/2 of them are stupid complaints about the pally/SK mounts.

Obviously I didnt mean all the people in this thread, but the mass of people on the board in general.

 

About the speed, I have tested it and I dont care if you think I am a liar.

I dont care much about the nerf either way though, cuz like I said before, I do not own a horse yet.

[Sannayven]

Double post sorry.

Guess Ill add this comment here though.

/show_window MainHUD.Character

Do that for speed testing.

My Heritage Journyman Boots add 10 runspeed.

Sprint adds another 40! Yes 40 more runspeed that stacks with the jboots.

 

Now I have no idea what it says for the horses there as I have not looked at that yet.

Just something to look at.

 

EDIT,: hmmm, I messed up on hitting reply to much or something ><

Message Edited by Sannayven on 02-10-2005 02:40 AM

Edit again,  I may be wrong about the jboots and the SPrint stacking. While sprinting it might be a flat 40 runspeed added

Message Edited by Sannayven on 02-10-2005 02:44 AM

[Profe]

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Darken_Star wrote:

Sannayven, you are plain and simple full of it.

You cannot outrun a 2.5 plat horse burst running, I pass normal players on foot all the time consistently.

You cannot outrun the 2.5 plat horse buffed uness you use vectoring (using angles in terrain to gain downhill movement speed increase)

You cannot ever outrun the 4 plat horse, and the 9 plat would leave you sitting in the dirt.

Lies do not an effective base make. And before you go claiming to have tested it, again I'll just in advance call you flat out, a liar.

And as for asked for it. Nope not once didnt care. Do I find it appropriate now? Yes. Do I mind the nerf to a horses I paid plat for, nope not one bit.

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before calling him a liar, why don't you test it out for yourself.. failing to do so makes you appear to be the fool

[Darken_St]

Ok  so you know /show_window mainhud.Character is about the buggiest thing in the game, alot of its read outs cap. So yes it does say you go as fast as the 9pp horse even though you are not the 9pp horse merely exceeds the cap. The most evident of the caps on the read out is the speed and the KtD ratio, everyone caps at 250:25 and if you believe you've only killed 250 mobs and died 25 times and that everyone else has, you're wrong. Hehe Try running it out hun, you are NOT as fast as the 2.5 plat horse on a good day for you. The Hud /show command is just buggy, like so many other things.

 

Oh and to you Prophett been there done that, we tested tonight with a Ranger a Mystic myself on a 4 pp horse, Cheiftain, a 50 templar on a 2.5 pp horse, and Trokin, a guardian on a 9pp horse.

 

All our speeds on mainhud read the same cause it caps. The Scout, sow'd, only capped with us fully buffed.

 

Did that change the staggering of our arrival at end of test run? No.  Trokin, then me, then Cheif, followed not too far back by the on foot.

 

So yes he is wrong but I owe him an apology as it wasnt an intentional lie, but a misconception on his part due to a buggy /show hud.

 

 

Message Edited by Darken_Star on 02-10-2005 02:55 AM

[Shylo]

I cannot believe that they would nerf purchased horses as well.  What is the point of this change?  The gain from such a nerf is negligible compared to the player enjoyment of the game being removed.  It makes absolutely no sense at all.

 

[Sannayven]

actually no, I have not used the /show_window command to test this out.

Im just reading you what the window says now.

 

I doubt that those stats are bugged as every stat seems correct except for the Kill count stat.

 

EDIT: would you mind telling me your mount speed from that window?

And of course if you all had the same buffs the speed would read the same, I dont think you realize there are 3 speed buff sections, and mounts have there own speed buff slot.

Message Edited by Sannayven on 02-10-2005 03:10 AM

Message Edited by Sannayven on 02-10-2005 03:12 AM

[Feaw]

I got really curious about this whole idea of crusaders who would actualy want their horses nerfed so I went on live server and went around asking a bunch of random pally and shadow knights that Ive never met if they would want their horse slowed.    The responce was pretty much the same for all of them..   NO   Followed by a number of remarks that I wont repeat.  I couldnt find one pally or sk after really trying that wanted this.   These ranges from mid 30s to low 20s but thats all I could find at this hour.  

 

 

[stewi]

yeah, i wondered why they are nerfing these as well.. mainly because what does slightly lowerin the speed of mounts affect? were people traveling to fast? or was their some exploit involved? makes no sense to me, but whatever.. i'm saving all my cash for a carpet anyway

 

p.s. i could give a hoot less about pally/sk horses, mainly because i'm not a pally so you guys go ahead and keep arguing about it(isnt there a 900reply thread about this very issue in the spells section?) as its all quite funny

[Alis]

If it was just a travel buff I doubt it would be changed however it has an effect on solo combat, namely the fight till zero power and yet can still run away. Although that being said they have removed speed from all the horses so maybe its that as well.

 

 

[Profe]

I don't see what is wrong with fighting until you have no power left and using your horse to run away, you don't gain anything from running away from a fight you are going to lose anyway. I don't know about you, but my fun factor goes down when I die unintentionally. I'm not sure why SoE would want people to die more often, it's not like repairing your armor is a huge money sink even if you die a lot ..it's just more annoying.

[Alis]

You dont gain but the other classes are dead at this point, so thats a gain!