Raiding assassin discussion

[MystaSkrat]

You're just jealous Tig!  But what else is new? :smileytongue:

[Dragonsviperz]

*sigh*

[pczry]

Hes also mad that hes not a Dark Elf!:smileyvery-happy:

[Dragonsviperz]

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pczryan wrote:
Hes also mad that hes not a Dark Elf!:smileyvery-happy:

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I hate DE's. Kerrans ftw.

[MystaSkrat]

You hate DE cuz you're not one.  You're simply content with being a kerran :smileyhappy:

[Dragonsviperz]

I will cough a hairball on you, now what!?

[blurryfast]

what's this gl50 avoid ae item? guess I gotta go to city merchant eh?keep the good info coming, thanks guys

[Dragonsviperz]

EFP at the top where the inn is. Signet of Ethereal Form. Its not that expensive.

[Hadanelith]

Dragons - I'd love to know where your Longsword came from *hint hint*

 

Skratch - Nice. I'm probably a bit behind you equipment wise, but I average about 1100 overall and get up to about 1500 on nameds.

 

I usually don't have the best bufferage I could have - TRB haste to put me at 44% and INQ DPS to put me at 92% there - but I also have a hard time getting poisons on my server, so those numbers are more or less poisonless =/ There's NEVER any on the Market, and some people are living incarnations of a Negative Walmart: "Always High Prices. Always."

 

A brief summary of equipment:

Grizzfazzle's Dirk + Turadramin's Fang (we've only had TWO Scout DW drop in over a dozen runs into LoLV =/)

Nightfall Tunic (yes, the effect is a very very minor boost... but every bit helps)

All important Masters obtained except Mask of Night and Cloaked Assault, and our lvl 57 DoT move.

 

Unbuffed stats and all equipment here: http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=210798106

 

(EDIT: +3 each STR and AGI from that setup to my normal one. Foreman's Shank for soloing gives 5 more to stats than Turadramin's Fang, but my alternate shoulders give +8 to those... -5 each, +8 each, net +3. INT goes up w/ other shoulders too.)

 

Even on AE-Heavy encounters I parse 850 MINIMUM unless someone distracts me w/ tells. That's without Poisons. Besides, I like knowing my DPS w/o Poisons, makes me all the better with them &gt

 

-Hadanelith Raswrolski, 70 Assassin of Kithicor

Message Edited by Hadanelith on 05-23-2006 05:01 AM

[Graton]

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Hadanelith wrote:

Dragons - I'd love to know where your Longsword came from *hint hint*

 

Skratch - Nice. I'm probably a bit behind you equipment wise, but I average about 1100 overall and get up to about 1500 on nameds.

 

I usually don't have the best bufferage I could have - TRB haste to put me at 44% and INQ DPS to put me at 92% there - but I also have a hard time getting poisons on my server, so those numbers are more or less poisonless =/ There's NEVER any on the Market, and some people are living incarnations of a Negative Walmart: "Always High Prices. Always."

 

A brief summary of equipment:

Grizzfazzle's Dirk + Turadramin's Fang (we've only had TWO Scout DW drop in over a dozen runs into LoLV =/)

Nightfall Tunic (yes, the effect is a very very minor boost... but every bit helps)

All important Masters obtained except Mask of Night and Cloaked Assault, and our lvl 57 DoT move.

 

Unbuffed stats and all equipment here: http://eq2players.station.sony.com/en/pplayer.vm?characterId=210798106

 

(EDIT: +3 each STR and AGI from that setup to my normal one. Foreman's Shank for soloing gives 5 more to stats than Turadramin's Fang, but my alternate shoulders give +8 to those... -5 each, +8 each, net +3. INT goes up w/ other shoulders too.)

 

Even on AE-Heavy encounters I parse 850 MINIMUM unless someone distracts me w/ tells. That's without Poisons. Besides, I like knowing my DPS w/o Poisons, makes me all the better with them &gt

 

-Hadanelith Raswrolski, 70 Assassin of Kithicor

Message Edited by Hadanelith on 05-23-2006 05:01 AM

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you'd help yourself out alot if you did wurmslayer. undoubtedly you'll get another dual wield soon but be nice to only have to bid on one. the longsword of perfection comes from the three princes.

Message Edited by Graton on 05-23-2006 08:49 AM

[judged_one]

you'd help yourself out alot if you did wurmslayer. undoubtedly you'll get another dual wield soon but be nice to only have to bid on one. the longsword of perfection comes from the three princes.Wish I have the time to ts to 70. I really hate and always wonder why they force adventurer to craft. I wounldnt mind, if I have to pay someone some plats to do it for me.Either way with LU 24 I am goign to try to lvl up my 30 alchy.

[Dragonsviperz]

My sword comes from the Princes yea. Wurmslayer is also a great weapon that I want to get sometime but too lazy to craft.

There is also a pretty nice weapon that we got from DT the other day, its called Talonsreach. Decent stats but best of all it has a proc.

[Recca[BK]]

alchys can lvl sooo amazingly fast, dont wait till 24 to get him youll miss out on tons of discovery xp. 30 40 and 50 there are like 40 solvents and solutions to make, just doing those will get you 4 lvls before you even start on spells. minimum of 6 discoveries per lvl, not to mention potions and poisons, you can grind and alch from 1 to 65 in a week. do it before the take all the subs away i promise itll go much faster.

[Eynki]

We got a DW sword in DT the other night Called "WindRazor". its damage was like 63 or so and had a proc that summoned a limited pet. I thought it was kinda neet. it also looks like a frekin light saber

[judged_one]

Yeah, really should get off my lazy butt and lvl to 65 alchy. But still need to catch up on claymore - Yeah I am really lazyAnd I have to lvl my fury to 70 - to betray to warden since our warden is MIAlol I am even too lazy to walk down to naggy to get my bracelet of urberness- waiting for some conjuror to offer the 50g ride express.I only play afterwork, and every night is another 4 hours raid. so it is hard to do a lot of stuff,especially long quest that requires group like claymore. And soloing in PoA is like almost impossible.Still stuck at sixoflock, and GEM 3 refuse to drop in 3 farm session. [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] bad luck.Hopeful these DW will drop for me this Saturday at DT. Still haven't seen any good dw worth bidding on yet, since you can get Wurmslayer and claymore.And our guild haven't seen a chain BP Relic yet, it is always cloth or leather junk.

[Al]

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MystaSkratch wrote:

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ClioMuse wrote:

I'm glad to see this discussion going, I'm always looking to improve my raiding techniques.  One thing I'm interested in is specific group make-up when you're hitting those 1400-1600 dps?  I'm always trying to figure out which are the best classes I should be bugging the raid leader to give me. 

 

As far as AAs go, I went down both the STR and the INT lines, getting Perfectionist and Intoxication.  I'm liking them both, but wondering how much I'm hurting my DPS by not maxing out the crit chances.  I just don't know which one I would drop. 

 

Azaren

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The most important thing for your group to have imo is a troubador, they're deagro song is invaluable.  They also buff STR/STA, important stats for an assassin.  I also usually have a wizard (STR/INT, proc) and conjurer (mit, resists, proc), and most times a druid or Inq.  I maxed both crit AAs and took Perfectionist... I wouldn't give it up for anything now :smileyhappy:

Alza!  I was in the MT group today cuz our dirges are slackers on fridays.. completely served Harla dar.. bard AE avoid, guild level 50 avoid, wards and max resists =  0 damage FTW

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We are very much alike Mr Skratch.

 

Message Edited by Alza on 06-02-2006 07:44 PM

[MystaSkrat]

I win :smileytongue: !!  Although, this isn't Harla Dar here, it might be trash mobs... it's from another thread and I can't remember now  :smileyhappy:

 

Message Edited by MystaSkratch on 06-02-2006 06:48 PM

[Al]

LOL stupid picture editor, got it fixed.

[Dragonsviperz]

Hmm, I think I did 2K a few times in DT. Let me see....

[Al]

trash mobs dont count [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] tig! I've done 2k+ numerous times as well =p Heres a new game we can play, you post the named fight parse, and we all post ours next time we do that named to compete, will be fun =p

Message Edited by Alza on 06-02-2006 08:34 PM

[Dragonsviperz]

Hmm, Fine we'll make a new thread for it. Anyone can join in. See if we can get it stick'ed, just for the fun of it.

[Uhbi]

Reading this, and reviewing my parsing from my last raid, I can only say that I am very frustrated with this class. I know that I am a new raider, that my gear is not optimal to be kind, but I am not even coming close to 1K let alone the 1.8k and 2k parses I see posted in this thread.I have only 2 M1, one of which is my agi/dps buff, and one M2 from leveling skill selections. The remainder of my key damage skills are all AD1, as the cost of spongy loam is just out of control. I could afford maybe one at the moment. Viewing the parsing, I see many classes out perform my own. While I do not mind seeing a wizard pull down 1k dps, I can not fathom why I can not even average close to this. My highest parse was only in the high 600's, with ALL my skills available and only occured once, my average being in the range of 380. As you're well aware, decapitate and deathly blade are of massive destruction and long timer re-casts, I can not see how you can CONSISTENTLY get that much DPS.  I thought I was reasonably equiped and I am working on the Claymore line for some items, but only about 1/2 way through the line. I just started MoA, but in the mean time, I believe that I could do better if I understood this class more.At this point I have about 27 AA and went down the path that leads to more ranged crits and passive timer reducing. I was thinking that 35% reduction would boost my dps by a 1/3, but I see from this discussion that STR and INT are favored instead. Can anyone explain this class to me so I can be more effective? Is there a particular order of skills to be applied to be best at this class? etc.?POISN of Mistmoor

[spankosaurus]

Agi line really does very little since we don't need to range much, also that 35% is casting timer reduction, not recast. That means it readuces the time it takes to cast a CA and since most of ours are 1 sec or less, its completely useless. Respec and go down str and at the very least max out melee crits, perfectionist is nice if your looking for recast timers to be lower, only really effects KB and decap.

[Golled]

Alright...With your dps at around 380 thats almost laughable (no offense). But with just auto attack your dps should almost be at 600. The order your casting your skills makes a big differece, opening with mark is a huge boost (usually use it 2x in a raid fight maybe more depending on your raid make-up). Respec your AP's AGI line does not help us near as much as max Melee and Spell Crits. Stacking your DOTs early and using concealment to line up your backstabs is also a big help. Using your range CA's and backing out to pop off 1 range auto attack (depending on your bow) can be a nice big hit. Also there is almost no reason to use Mental Breach on trash mobs unless your raids dps is sub-par.

Chox

70 Assassin Eidolon

AB

[Uhbi]

Ok, I am respeced with MM II and my AA line down to perfectionist. (points spent as 44468 Will add 2 to Crits lvl when I get them) In group I saw an improvement, most noticable in the one longer battle... but only one to judge by. (The AoE that is done by a raiding berserker class puts my damage to shame in the short battle with multiple mobs. I am presuming that is somewhat normal, but getting my dots off early may help to combat that.)I missed the existance of the "Concealment" skill and have an AD3 coming on that for today. Raiding tonight and will let you know of my results.Thanks to you that have replied. ( I found 380 laughable too... ready to quit, but that is why I have asked for help.) I am sure that my lack of gear from raid encounters is part of the issue as well, but I am willing to deal with that if I can get the overall damage per mob up to a healthy level. From the initial results, I am hopeful. Will try to arrange my CA backstabs to work with Concealment as suggested.Poisn I'vee70 AssassinMistmoor

[Graton]

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Uhbirn wrote:

Ok, I am respeced with MM II and my AA line down to perfectionist. (points spent as 44468 Will add 2 to Crits lvl when I get them) In group I saw an improvement, most noticable in the one longer battle... but only one to judge by. (The AoE that is done by a raiding berserker class puts my damage to shame in the short battle with multiple mobs. I am presuming that is somewhat normal, but getting my dots off early may help to combat that.)I missed the existance of the "Concealment" skill and have an AD3 coming on that for today. Raiding tonight and will let you know of my results.Thanks to you that have replied. ( I found 380 laughable too... ready to quit, but that is why I have asked for help.) I am sure that my lack of gear from raid encounters is part of the issue as well, but I am willing to deal with that if I can get the overall damage per mob up to a healthy level. From the initial results, I am hopeful. Will try to arrange my CA backstabs to work with Concealment as suggested.Poisn I'vee70 AssassinMistmoor

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berserkers excel in short fights with lots of mobs as do warlocks. don't worry about it, those fights are trivial anyway. in a fight of any length you'll destroy a berserker. you mentioned respeccing all the way down to perfectionist which is fine but i wanted to make sure your other line is the int line which you should have maxed with the exception of intoxication. if this isn't the case, respec again.as for what gear you need to increase your dmg the answer is ca upgrades. not even great weapons will help you near as much as adept 3'ing your skills or better yet paying dkp or plat for masters. i would agree that mental breech on trash mobs in most cases isn't needed but if you're moving as fast as possible through a raid zone then sometimes it makes sense. if mana regen is an issue be sure to have t7 drink and buy some spirit totems of the monkey or carnivorous plant ( i think ). these stack with drink and give you great out of combat mana regen.

[judged_one]

Don't feel too bad Uhbrin, keep working at your spell orders.Also your DPS really depends alot on the group set up. Also your AA helps alot too. Have max Pro Crit means insane DPS just on agonizing pain alone. I think that alons is 20percent; + of my DPS.Another major factor in DPS is Brigand, sadly our regualr brogand stopped playing so it really hurts our DPS.With a Brigand it is not too hard to average 1600 With Decapitate and killing blade up and dispatch you can hit 2000. but on a less then perfect group setup 1200 is pretty good.Another thing to look for is compare yourself to other people to the raid. If you can parse 1-2 in every encounters and 1-3 overall then you are doing great.Also try to harvest for loam(or get a healer buddy and farm some named in SoS they drop loam and rare too), I think the adept 3 is almost a requirement to do raid. Well except your defensive stance.Claymore line yeild some pretty good item some which I still use due to the high Str stats. And beside you will get more AA when you finish more quests on that line.AA: Go for STr melee and CA Crit and Int Poison Crit. Take either the Str end AA or Int end AA.Here is some tips that I use.1.)M Mark, use it as soon as it is up2.)Use finishing blow at the beginning too, extra 1.5k damage CA and 45 sec recast. Make sure it is still up at the end for these 5-8k Crit3.)Use Grandmaster poison always4.)Proc-tage Warlock(Poison damage proc "something grasp"), Conjuror(Amber Seed), Wizzy(Phonix blade?) ask em to put their proc on you, Beg the Fury to put their single target buffs(Agitate or Avatar for Mystic etc) on you, secretly slips him a10g for it. Coerer and illusionist also helps, and Zerkers are your friend. 5.) Finally give your hate to the person that's beating you in DPS and proble solved... ok maybe not this one.Best of luck

Message Edited by judged_one on 06-06-2006 12:49 PM

[Recca[BK]]

i think exacting should be used towards the begining of the fight after the initial barrage, then just pump away masked and puntcure, with your dots then contrived.

[Uhbi]

I am MOST GRATEFUL for all the helpful suggestions. My opinion of the Assassin Class is much improved by making all the suggested changes. I am not the uber Assassin I read about here, but now I am well on my way to becoming so.My first raid with all these changes made me quite happy. (and sad all at once.) First what I am happy about, my DPS has gone up immensely with respec and adding AD3 Concealment. In my first raid, I started regularly out-performing all but wizard, warlock and necro classes. Not only that but I was regularly taking agro from the MT, a feat that I never achieved before. (Not that this is a good thing, but I am happier to die by having my ears flattened against my little Ratonga head, than suffering some stupid AoE that makes a less admirable death.) I agree that I need more AD3/M1 CAs. Only active M2 is MM, I have M1 Fiendish Villian, and AD3 Concealment... remainder at AD1. It is sad state that spongy loam on our server has gone to a cost of 4p - 12p, but I am sure that over time, I will find some and buy some to improve my damage. There is no question that I wil be placing AA into Int up to just before intoxication. You have steered me the right way with everything else.Onto the sad part... I already mentioned I was squished with some regularity [/flex] but my raiding companions put 4 DPS classes, a berserker and a healer all in one group. I was unable to use my hate reducing buff due to group classes. The healer in our group was healing the MT on pulls and really could not take my hate reducing buff, and all my DPS comrades would, at least on first glance, be poor choice to place my hate upon as well. The berserker in our group told me point blank not to put my hate on him. In hind sight, I could have put it on the 68 wizard (the rest of us were lvl 70) as he was not in the top 10 dps, but you don't always know that up front.Sooooooo... is there a type of group I should encourage my RL to place me in as well as some rule of thumb as to how to apply my hate reducing buff to my group members? I know that you encourage grouping with a berserker for procing. I think that hate is the last question that remains unanswered... Other than that, my makeover, to which you all have contributed has made a new mighty mouse out of me and I am so happy and thankful for posting and taking your advice.Poisn I'vee70 Assassin of Mistmoor

[Gyilok]

you can dump your hate on any healer, only situation where it wouldnt be smart might be memwiping mobs