Sniper Shot

blackdog1 · 01-17-2007, 12:08 AM

It seems to me that my Master Rain of Arrows does way more damage than my adept 1 Sniper shot.Discounting the fact it's an AOE. Even tho it says sniper should do 2000+ more per shot.So why is sniper shot on a 15 min timer?I mean it dosn't do that much more damage than some of my other arrows.Don't you think it should be on a much shorter timer.Or much more damage.Or both?

Aroumon · 01-17-2007, 12:14 AM

Snipershot has been useless for quite some time now, yes the ae raid does do more damage more often than snipeshot...the casting time on a spell that we could get off a second auto attack (often times more damage than sniper) in that period of time...it either needs to be changed or taken out for a new spell that we can actully use.

blackdog1 · 01-17-2007, 12:38 AM

First time I noticed it was while talking to a Wizzy who said he had a spell that does way more damage than sniper shot yet is on like a 3 min timer.I went whats up with that?Then I noticed how little comaritive damage sniper was doing to my other arrows.

Graven55 · 01-17-2007, 02:23 AM

Yep, no good reason an Assassin should be (Crit) Decapitating for 20 to 30k and our Sniper is lucky to hit 10k...worthless ability. Wish they'd take the knockdown/stun off of it and just give us a big Damage hit. Veiled Fire and Rain of arrows both routinely hit for more damage.

Judist · 01-17-2007, 02:46 AM

Please remember, its sucks only whem compared to some of the other classes ancient teachings. Comparison to our T7 CA's isnt totally fair.

If anything, the ancient teaching CA's/spells should have been replaced at lvl70, where the damage would have been adjusted properly. When T6 was the cap, sniper shot was very nice. Still nothing like a good decap crit, but that was the price for getting to bomb a mob at high range coupled with a knockback.

Now its one of our youngest T6 arts in our book.

muraseme · 01-20-2007, 12:01 PM

The past three times that I have done an Obelisk run, I have used a parser and afterwards reviewed information about the DPS I've done. Except for Vieled Fire and Devitalizing Arrow (which are masters I and II, respectively), all of my actual ranged damage attacks are adept IIIs; the offensive short-term buffs Focus Aim and Killing Instinct are master Is. My ranger is level 70, with 89 AAs in the Agi/Int predator trees, and in the ranger tree I have the multishot line completed save Stream of Arrows, filled the improved caustic damage, and have been working on the focus line to extend the buff timers on Killing Instinct, Honed Reflexes and Focus Aim. Gear-wise, the bow I use is the Wurm Destroyer Bow from Labs, and unbuffed my Str is 501, Agi around 560 and Int about 250.

The zone-wide parse had displayed the following information (and this is not exact, but from memory):

Selection (adept III) did about 13% of the damage.

Rain of Arrows (adept III) did about 12%.

Auto-attack, quickshot or the double arrow ability did about 35%.

Caustic poison did about 15%.

Sniper shot did ~1%.

This really depressed me, as our "most lethal ranged attack" did so little damage, zone-wide.

Gareorn · 01-20-2007, 10:59 PM

Sniper is really more of a "fun" art for me. I like to wait until I can use it with focus and dispatch just to see how high I can crit with it. But for the most part it's only an average DPS skill. Mine usually accounts for 2% of my zone-wide DPS. Almost all of my other ranged skills out DPS Sniper due to it's long recast timer.

It's a level 58 skill, that will go grey when they open up T8. Don't get too attached to that skill, because eventually, it's going to be worthless.

nirav21 · 01-20-2007, 11:01 PM

The thing that is deperessing about snipershot is not the damage it does or the reuse timer.

Its the fact that it is extremely difficult to pull off that lowers our parse.

i mean 3.5 secs to cast with stealth(which mine randomly breaks of recent) which say crits for about 13-15k?

now decapitate takes .5 sec and crits for 18-20k...

20k/.5 = 40,000dps and 15k/3.5 = 4286dps(plus the fact this lowers dps of other spels as well due to high cast time)

And in pvp its even more worthless. Everyones got see stealth totems now.

Message Edited by nirav21 on 01-20-2007 01:02 PM

TerriBlades · 01-21-2007, 04:22 AM

Graven55 wrote:
Yep, no good reason an Assassin should be (Crit) Decapitating for 20 to 30k and our Sniper is lucky to hit 10k...worthless ability. Wish they'd take the knockdown/stun off of it and just give us a big Damage hit. Veiled Fire and Rain of arrows both routinely hit for more damage.

Umm yes there is, Decap being a level 70 CA and Snipers being a level 58 CA might have something to do with it. Same thing applies for Rain and Veiled. They are higher level CAs.

And no, thats not a guess. Why does everyone try and compare Decap with Snipers. They arent the same, they arent even close to the same. Just because those are the hardest SINGLE target shots for each class? Come on now, You have got to know by now that Decap and Rain of Arrows are the two you should be comparing. And yes, when you look at RoA v/s Decap on single targets, Decap wins hands down. However, if you happen to have a multi-mob encounter, its not so lopsided anymore.

This is another one of those posts I'll just never get. And further proof you just cant please the ranger class. Rangers want it all. Highest DPS, Hardest hitting shots, Less Ammo Use, More Drops... ugh.. it gets old after awhile.

jrisley69 · 01-21-2007, 05:11 AM

I only use Sniper's when i'm solo'ing and bout to pull a mob or something.

wvorster · 01-22-2007, 02:23 PM

hmmmmmmmmm,I've pulled off a few ringer snipes with Sniper Shot Adept III ...I've specced str / agi AA lines to reduce my snipe / roa resuse and increase their damage by 15% .... with any troubador in ur raid you can ask for Jester's Cap before u fire snipe - dropping your reuse to around 7min30secs.Also bump as much STR as you possibly could. Use Fortitute pots as well.I've had Veiled Fire (M1) land for 8.5k before on a debufed mob and RoA ( M1) about 8k.So all and all - snipe does anything from 8k - 17k.

Teksun · 01-22-2007, 06:58 PM

TerriBlades wrote:

Graven55 wrote:
Yep, no good reason an Assassin should be (Crit) Decapitating for 20 to 30k and our Sniper is lucky to hit 10k...worthless ability. Wish they'd take the knockdown/stun off of it and just give us a big Damage hit. Veiled Fire and Rain of arrows both routinely hit for more damage.

Umm yes there is, Decap being a level 70 CA and Snipers being a level 58 CA might have something to do with it. Same thing applies for Rain and Veiled. They are higher level CAs.

And no, thats not a guess. Why does everyone try and compare Decap with Snipers. They arent the same, they arent even close to the same. Just because those are the hardest SINGLE target shots for each class? Come on now, You have got to know by now that Decap and Rain of Arrows are the two you should be comparing. And yes, when you look at RoA v/s Decap on single targets, Decap wins hands down. However, if you happen to have a multi-mob encounter, its not so lopsided anymore.

This is another one of those posts I'll just never get. And further proof you just cant please the ranger class. Rangers want it all. Highest DPS, Hardest hitting shots, Less Ammo Use, More Drops... ugh.. it gets old after awhile.

Yes, the TRUE complaint should be: They got Decap, we got Triple...

pseudocide · 01-23-2007, 12:36 AM

Teksun wrote:
TerriBlades wrote:

Graven55 wrote:
Yep, no good reason an Assassin should be (Crit) Decapitating for 20 to 30k and our Sniper is lucky to hit 10k...worthless ability. Wish they'd take the knockdown/stun off of it and just give us a big Damage hit. Veiled Fire and Rain of arrows both routinely hit for more damage.

Umm yes there is, Decap being a level 70 CA and Snipers being a level 58 CA might have something to do with it. Same thing applies for Rain and Veiled. They are higher level CAs.

And no, thats not a guess. Why does everyone try and compare Decap with Snipers. They arent the same, they arent even close to the same. Just because those are the hardest SINGLE target shots for each class? Come on now, You have got to know by now that Decap and Rain of Arrows are the two you should be comparing. And yes, when you look at RoA v/s Decap on single targets, Decap wins hands down. However, if you happen to have a multi-mob encounter, its not so lopsided anymore.

This is another one of those posts I'll just never get. And further proof you just cant please the ranger class. Rangers want it all. Highest DPS, Hardest hitting shots, Less Ammo Use, More Drops... ugh.. it gets old after awhile.
Yes, the TRUE complaint should be: They got Decap, we got ~~Triple~~ Rain...

Gerdos · 01-23-2007, 02:28 AM

correct

rain > decap

01-20-2007, 10:59 PM	#7
Gareorn Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,144	Sniper is really more of a "fun" art for me. I like to wait until I can use it with focus and dispatch just to see how high I can crit with it. But for the most part it's only an average DPS skill. Mine usually accounts for 2% of my zone-wide DPS. Almost all of my other ranged skills out DPS Sniper due to it's long recast timer. It's a level 58 skill, that will go grey when they open up T8. Don't get too attached to that skill, because eventually, it's going to be worthless. __________________ Leader of the vast right-wing conspiricy... Hiding from the world's smartest woman in a bunker under a Hooter's restaurant.

01-20-2007, 11:01 PM	#8
nirav21 Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 99	The thing that is deperessing about snipershot is not the damage it does or the reuse timer. Its the fact that it is extremely difficult to pull off that lowers our parse. i mean 3.5 secs to cast with stealth(which mine randomly breaks of recent) which say crits for about 13-15k? now decapitate takes .5 sec and crits for 18-20k... 20k/.5 = 40,000dps and 15k/3.5 = 4286dps(plus the fact this lowers dps of other spels as well due to high cast time) And in pvp its even more worthless. Everyones got see stealth totems now. Message Edited by nirav21 on 01-20-2007 01:02 PM __________________ Nisox 70 Ranger on Nagafen

01-21-2007, 04:22 AM	#9
TerriBlades Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 588	Graven55 wrote: Yep, no good reason an Assassin should be (Crit) Decapitating for 20 to 30k and our Sniper is lucky to hit 10k...worthless ability. Wish they'd take the knockdown/stun off of it and just give us a big Damage hit. Veiled Fire and Rain of arrows both routinely hit for more damage. Umm yes there is, Decap being a level 70 CA and Snipers being a level 58 CA might have something to do with it. Same thing applies for Rain and Veiled. They are higher level CAs. And no, thats not a guess. Why does everyone try and compare Decap with Snipers. They arent the same, they arent even close to the same. Just because those are the hardest SINGLE target shots for each class? Come on now, You have got to know by now that Decap and Rain of Arrows are the two you should be comparing. And yes, when you look at RoA v/s Decap on single targets, Decap wins hands down. However, if you happen to have a multi-mob encounter, its not so lopsided anymore. This is another one of those posts I'll just never get. And further proof you just cant please the ranger class. Rangers want it all. Highest DPS, Hardest hitting shots, Less Ammo Use, More Drops... ugh.. it gets old after awhile. __________________

01-22-2007, 02:23 PM	#11
wvorster Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 84	hmmmmmmmmm,I've pulled off a few ringer snipes with Sniper Shot Adept III ...I've specced str / agi AA lines to reduce my snipe / roa resuse and increase their damage by 15% .... with any troubador in ur raid you can ask for Jester's Cap before u fire snipe - dropping your reuse to around 7min30secs.Also bump as much STR as you possibly could. Use Fortitute pots as well.I've had Veiled Fire (M1) land for 8.5k before on a debufed mob and RoA ( M1) about 8k.So all and all - snipe does anything from 8k - 17k. __________________

01-22-2007, 06:58 PM	#12
Teksun Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,048	TerriBlades wrote: Graven55 wrote: Yep, no good reason an Assassin should be (Crit) Decapitating for 20 to 30k and our Sniper is lucky to hit 10k...worthless ability. Wish they'd take the knockdown/stun off of it and just give us a big Damage hit. Veiled Fire and Rain of arrows both routinely hit for more damage. Umm yes there is, Decap being a level 70 CA and Snipers being a level 58 CA might have something to do with it. Same thing applies for Rain and Veiled. They are higher level CAs. And no, thats not a guess. Why does everyone try and compare Decap with Snipers. They arent the same, they arent even close to the same. Just because those are the hardest SINGLE target shots for each class? Come on now, You have got to know by now that Decap and Rain of Arrows are the two you should be comparing. And yes, when you look at RoA v/s Decap on single targets, Decap wins hands down. However, if you happen to have a multi-mob encounter, its not so lopsided anymore. This is another one of those posts I'll just never get. And further proof you just cant please the ranger class. Rangers want it all. Highest DPS, Hardest hitting shots, Less Ammo Use, More Drops... ugh.. it gets old after awhile. Yes, the TRUE complaint should be: They got Decap, we got Triple... __________________ Nerf the Hobbits

01-17-2007, 12:08 AM	#1
blackdog1 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 129	It seems to me that my Master Rain of Arrows does way more damage than my adept 1 Sniper shot.Discounting the fact it's an AOE. Even tho it says sniper should do 2000+ more per shot.So why is sniper shot on a 15 min timer?I mean it dosn't do that much more damage than some of my other arrows.Don't you think it should be on a much shorter timer.Or much more damage.Or both?

01-17-2007, 12:14 AM	#2
Aroumon Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 43	Snipershot has been useless for quite some time now, yes the ae raid does do more damage more often than snipeshot...the casting time on a spell that we could get off a second auto attack (often times more damage than sniper) in that period of time...it either needs to be changed or taken out for a new spell that we can actully use.

01-17-2007, 12:38 AM	#3
blackdog1 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 129	First time I noticed it was while talking to a Wizzy who said he had a spell that does way more damage than sniper shot yet is on like a 3 min timer.I went whats up with that?Then I noticed how little comaritive damage sniper was doing to my other arrows.

01-17-2007, 02:23 AM	#4
Graven55 Lord Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 38	Yep, no good reason an Assassin should be (Crit) Decapitating for 20 to 30k and our Sniper is lucky to hit 10k...worthless ability. Wish they'd take the knockdown/stun off of it and just give us a big Damage hit. Veiled Fire and Rain of arrows both routinely hit for more damage.

01-17-2007, 02:46 AM	#5
Judist Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 432	Please remember, its sucks only whem compared to some of the other classes ancient teachings. Comparison to our T7 CA's isnt totally fair. If anything, the ancient teaching CA's/spells should have been replaced at lvl70, where the damage would have been adjusted properly. When T6 was the cap, sniper shot was very nice. Still nothing like a good decap crit, but that was the price for getting to bomb a mob at high range coupled with a knockback. Now its one of our youngest T6 arts in our book.

01-20-2007, 12:01 PM	#6
muraseme Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Kelethin Posts: 18	The past three times that I have done an Obelisk run, I have used a parser and afterwards reviewed information about the DPS I've done. Except for Vieled Fire and Devitalizing Arrow (which are masters I and II, respectively), all of my actual ranged damage attacks are adept IIIs; the offensive short-term buffs Focus Aim and Killing Instinct are master Is. My ranger is level 70, with 89 AAs in the Agi/Int predator trees, and in the ranger tree I have the multishot line completed save Stream of Arrows, filled the improved caustic damage, and have been working on the focus line to extend the buff timers on Killing Instinct, Honed Reflexes and Focus Aim. Gear-wise, the bow I use is the Wurm Destroyer Bow from Labs, and unbuffed my Str is 501, Agi around 560 and Int about 250. The zone-wide parse had displayed the following information (and this is not exact, but from memory): Selection (adept III) did about 13% of the damage. Rain of Arrows (adept III) did about 12%. Auto-attack, quickshot or the double arrow ability did about 35%. Caustic poison did about 15%. Sniper shot did ~1%. This really depressed me, as our "most lethal ranged attack" did so little damage, zone-wide.

01-21-2007, 05:11 AM	#10
jrisley69 Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Unrest Posts: 60	I only use Sniper's when i'm solo'ing and bout to pull a mob or something.

01-23-2007, 12:36 AM	#13
pseudocide Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 244	Teksun wrote: TerriBlades wrote: Graven55 wrote: Yep, no good reason an Assassin should be (Crit) Decapitating for 20 to 30k and our Sniper is lucky to hit 10k...worthless ability. Wish they'd take the knockdown/stun off of it and just give us a big Damage hit. Veiled Fire and Rain of arrows both routinely hit for more damage. Umm yes there is, Decap being a level 70 CA and Snipers being a level 58 CA might have something to do with it. Same thing applies for Rain and Veiled. They are higher level CAs. And no, thats not a guess. Why does everyone try and compare Decap with Snipers. They arent the same, they arent even close to the same. Just because those are the hardest SINGLE target shots for each class? Come on now, You have got to know by now that Decap and Rain of Arrows are the two you should be comparing. And yes, when you look at RoA v/s Decap on single targets, Decap wins hands down. However, if you happen to have a multi-mob encounter, its not so lopsided anymore. This is another one of those posts I'll just never get. And further proof you just cant please the ranger class. Rangers want it all. Highest DPS, Hardest hitting shots, Less Ammo Use, More Drops... ugh.. it gets old after awhile. Yes, the TRUE complaint should be: They got Decap, we got ~~Triple~~ Rain... __________________

01-23-2007, 02:28 AM	#14
Gerdos Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 236	correct rain > decap