Long or short bow

Iwap_Evile · 07-13-2006, 12:59 AM

I currently use a Longbow but was wondering if there is any advantage in groups to using a shortbow

Prandtl · 07-13-2006, 01:09 AM

All stats being equal....

Longbow: Pros: longer range, higher autoattack damage Cons: slow rate of fire

Shortbow Pros: faster rate of fire Cons: shorter range

I go with the longbow since I can be hasted (items and buffs) to increase my rate of fire, no buff or item can increase a weapons max range. Sometimes the extra 10m of range can keep you out of reach of some mobs AOE's, or give you that extra range edge to pull a mob to a safe spot away from potential adds... [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] I miss surveil's extended range

Also, I think they look cooler. And after all, isn't that the most important thing? :smileyvery-happy:

Jayad · 07-13-2006, 01:41 AM

There's no benefits to a short bow really, whereas a long bow has longer range. The higher rate of fire is pretty meaningless now, as the above poster mentioned. In fact, the higher rate of fire will cause you to miss auto-attacks with your longer CAs.

Fennir · 07-13-2006, 01:46 AM

it depends on the bowi like my wurm destroyer short bow in a lot of situations, and it parses very well, especially on draconicswhen i need long range i use bow of searing missles for its 45m range

Crychtonn · 07-13-2006, 03:20 AM

Short bows blow and that includes Wurmdestroyer. The only time Wurm is good to use is in HoF or Lab where nearly every mob is draconic. Grizzlefazzle gives better DPS anywhere else. Next step up bow that's not to hard to get is the Sinew Wraped bow from Lyceaum. The Recurved from the Eyeball Cube mob is nice also but trying to get a Cube mob vs doing Lyceaum you have a much better chance with Lyceaum.

USAFJeeper · 07-13-2006, 03:31 AM

Long bow hands down. See above about delay. Range is your friend. I even turned down chance at a Wurm in labs the other night, letting an assassin get it cause frankly the Grizz is better plus it has range. In addition procs are based onthe delay of the weapon.

Ibixat · 07-13-2006, 08:15 AM

Wurm destroyer is a great bow, you are completely full of it to claim grizzfazzles parses better, sorry, but that is just flat out not true.the Sinew wrapped longbow is almost identical in parses vs the recurved heartstinger from the cube mob due to it's higher proc chance. It is around 95-98% as effective making it a really nice bow considering how much eaisier it is to get.

Fennir · 07-13-2006, 08:53 AM

i do enough parsing to know if a bow sucks or not, thanks tho chrych =)

Teksun · 07-13-2006, 04:14 PM

I have both Wurm and Griz. I use Wurm unless I need to be at extra distance for AoE, and thats rare... I'm still farther away than the healers, LOL

xMiLoSiSx · 07-13-2006, 08:51 PM

Unfortunately I haven't had a chance to use two comparative bows long and short class, due to the differences in my Heartstinger and my Firanvious' damage ratings... although there's a few differences...

As far as actual bow procs, my parser registers about 8 per fight, with flapping a few more..

However it's never equaled more than 2% of my overall DPS..

Given most fights(raid) i'll push over 1.3k DPS, usually in the 1.5k range.. most of the parse is the peirce/slash/crush hit of the bow itself, followed by poison, quickshot, (and an unconstant CA: longblade, veiled fire, rain of arrows).. in that order, respectively.. but the auto shot is far ahead, usually equaling 30-40% of my parse..

So it's all about how hard the bow hits, and finding a shortbow that does enough damage to surpass the delay. With my 64% self haste it's a 1.6 delay between shortbow and longbow.. although, heh. Heartstinger is of a bit higher quality than Firanvious, so I haven't had the opportunity to fairly test the shortbow/longbow relation. Although i'd like to get my hands on ichorstan(sp?) and give it a whirl, I couldn't honestly tell you, although i'm going to speculate, given most longbows high end damage, their better for overall use than the shortbow.

(Additionally)

Most resists can be pushed high enough to withstand non-stat affecting AEs where as range wouldn't matter, with the exception of a few mobs whos AEs hit harder the closer you are. This is why I left it out of my original post...

Message Edited by xMiLoSiSx on 07-13-2006 09:53 AM

Message Edited by xMiLoSiSx on 07-13-2006 09:57 AM

KnightOfTheWo · 07-14-2006, 02:56 AM

Prandtl wrote:
Also, I think they look cooler. And after all, isn't that the most important thing?

Not to totally derail this thread, but I concur! That new bow that HOPEFULLY will make it into EoF...I'll be after that thing faster than you can toss a dwarf. :smileyhappy:Okay, so I don't want to derail the thread. Longbow as well, for the reasons mentioned by previous posters.

110euph · 07-15-2006, 01:53 AM

Longbow.

When you pull with a ranged CA (like tripple shot or hidden shot) it automatically turns on ranged auto attack, so you get an immediate extra arrow with a 33% chance of procing an additional arrow (from your offensive stance). That's two extra arrows, roughly about 600 points of instant damage, you would miss out on due to the short range of the short bow.

but that's just for soloing tactics. if I had a short bow that was as secksy to me as my Grizzlefang's, I might use it in groups where range is not an issue because I'm always shooting from 10 meters away anyway.

Q

Teksun · 07-17-2006, 04:55 PM

Wurm is the best looking bow I'v seen yet. Nice recurve and it glows...

Serventof Wrath · 07-17-2006, 10:12 PM

Very happy with my Wurm Destroyer. If I know the mob has a huge AE I'll go slumming with Grizz but thats only till i get a nicer fabled long bow SMILEY

and yes as far as looks the glow off the Wurm is very nice. SMILEY

Crychtonn · 07-18-2006, 02:15 AM

Milo the Ichorstrand bow is for free ammo and that's it. While I don't see Wurm as a great bow even it is better then Ichorstrand. Wurm has a limited proc that only effects draconic mobs but it's still a damage proc. Ichorstrand has the most useless proc in the world unless your on a PvP server. And on top of that it also has a lower DR then the Wurm bow.

The Dev's also decided to nerf the cool ammo you got from it. The Globs used to do poison damage and made all your CA's do poison damage as well. Now they just do regular pierce damage SMILEY But the bow does save me tons of cash on not having to buy arrows so it's still very much good to get.

Bledso · 07-20-2006, 08:52 PM

I tried to use long bow soloing and short bow for grouping - especially in small instances where distance did not matter and the short bow {62.5) DR vs the {39.5} DR on the long surprisingly did not make that big of a difference.

The recast times on the range attack sort of negated any long term advantages the short would have gotten. As I wind up up close meeling no matter which bow I use.

Teksun · 07-21-2006, 04:34 PM

For soloing a Longbow would be much better. An extra 10m means an extra CA.And not to beat a dead horse but, don't forget that snare (first or second shot if sniping) can get you an extra CA in (at the very least the snare itself)

07-13-2006, 01:09 AM	#2
Prandtl Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 474	All stats being equal.... Longbow: Pros: longer range, higher autoattack damage Cons: slow rate of fire Shortbow Pros: faster rate of fire Cons: shorter range I go with the longbow since I can be hasted (items and buffs) to increase my rate of fire, no buff or item can increase a weapons max range. Sometimes the extra 10m of range can keep you out of reach of some mobs AOE's, or give you that extra range edge to pull a mob to a safe spot away from potential adds... [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] I miss surveil's extended range Also, I think they look cooler. And after all, isn't that the most important thing? :smileyvery-happy: __________________

07-13-2006, 01:46 AM	#4
Fennir Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 760	it depends on the bowi like my wurm destroyer short bow in a lot of situations, and it parses very well, especially on draconicswhen i need long range i use bow of searing missles for its 45m range __________________ " I constanly read these forums and seeing your stupid sig starting too get to me" - finedork

07-13-2006, 03:31 AM	#6
USAFJeeper Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Georgia Posts: 276	Long bow hands down. See above about delay. Range is your friend. I even turned down chance at a Wurm in labs the other night, letting an assassin get it cause frankly the Grizz is better plus it has range. In addition procs are based onthe delay of the weapon. __________________

07-13-2006, 08:53 AM	#8
Fennir Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 760	i do enough parsing to know if a bow sucks or not, thanks tho chrych =) __________________ " I constanly read these forums and seeing your stupid sig starting too get to me" - finedork

07-13-2006, 04:14 PM	#9
Teksun Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,048	I have both Wurm and Griz. I use Wurm unless I need to be at extra distance for AoE, and thats rare... I'm still farther away than the healers, LOL __________________ Nerf the Hobbits

07-13-2006, 12:59 AM	#1
Iwap_Evile Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 8	I currently use a Longbow but was wondering if there is any advantage in groups to using a shortbow

07-13-2006, 01:41 AM	#3
Jayad Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Raelyn @ Permafrost Posts: 1,306	There's no benefits to a short bow really, whereas a long bow has longer range. The higher rate of fire is pretty meaningless now, as the above poster mentioned. In fact, the higher rate of fire will cause you to miss auto-attacks with your longer CAs.

07-13-2006, 03:20 AM	#5
Crychtonn Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 684	Short bows blow and that includes Wurmdestroyer. The only time Wurm is good to use is in HoF or Lab where nearly every mob is draconic. Grizzlefazzle gives better DPS anywhere else. Next step up bow that's not to hard to get is the Sinew Wraped bow from Lyceaum. The Recurved from the Eyeball Cube mob is nice also but trying to get a Cube mob vs doing Lyceaum you have a much better chance with Lyceaum.

07-13-2006, 08:15 AM	#7
Ibixat Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 77	Wurm destroyer is a great bow, you are completely full of it to claim grizzfazzles parses better, sorry, but that is just flat out not true.the Sinew wrapped longbow is almost identical in parses vs the recurved heartstinger from the cube mob due to it's higher proc chance. It is around 95-98% as effective making it a really nice bow considering how much eaisier it is to get.

07-13-2006, 08:51 PM	#10
xMiLoSiSx Lord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Honolulu, Hawaii Posts: 89	Unfortunately I haven't had a chance to use two comparative bows long and short class, due to the differences in my Heartstinger and my Firanvious' damage ratings... although there's a few differences... As far as actual bow procs, my parser registers about 8 per fight, with flapping a few more.. However it's never equaled more than 2% of my overall DPS.. Given most fights(raid) i'll push over 1.3k DPS, usually in the 1.5k range.. most of the parse is the peirce/slash/crush hit of the bow itself, followed by poison, quickshot, (and an unconstant CA: longblade, veiled fire, rain of arrows).. in that order, respectively.. but the auto shot is far ahead, usually equaling 30-40% of my parse.. So it's all about how hard the bow hits, and finding a shortbow that does enough damage to surpass the delay. With my 64% self haste it's a 1.6 delay between shortbow and longbow.. although, heh. Heartstinger is of a bit higher quality than Firanvious, so I haven't had the opportunity to fairly test the shortbow/longbow relation. Although i'd like to get my hands on ichorstan(sp?) and give it a whirl, I couldn't honestly tell you, although i'm going to speculate, given most longbows high end damage, their better for overall use than the shortbow. (Additionally) Most resists can be pushed high enough to withstand non-stat affecting AEs where as range wouldn't matter, with the exception of a few mobs whos AEs hit harder the closer you are. This is why I left it out of my original post... Message Edited by xMiLoSiSx on 07-13-2006 09:53 AM Message Edited by xMiLoSiSx on 07-13-2006 09:57 AM __________________ Milosis 70 Pally, Kithicor Skaer 70 Ranger, Kithicor.

07-14-2006, 02:56 AM	#11
KnightOfTheWo General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 304	Prandtl wrote: Also, I think they look cooler. And after all, isn't that the most important thing? Not to totally derail this thread, but I concur! That new bow that HOPEFULLY will make it into EoF...I'll be after that thing faster than you can toss a dwarf. :smileyhappy:Okay, so I don't want to derail the thread. Longbow as well, for the reasons mentioned by previous posters. __________________

07-15-2006, 01:53 AM	#12
110euph Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chillicothe, Ohio Posts: 182	Longbow. When you pull with a ranged CA (like tripple shot or hidden shot) it automatically turns on ranged auto attack, so you get an immediate extra arrow with a 33% chance of procing an additional arrow (from your offensive stance). That's two extra arrows, roughly about 600 points of instant damage, you would miss out on due to the short range of the short bow. but that's just for soloing tactics. if I had a short bow that was as secksy to me as my Grizzlefang's, I might use it in groups where range is not an issue because I'm always shooting from 10 meters away anyway. Q __________________ Iscani Emeraldflame Chancellor of Antonicas Nameless Resident geek

07-17-2006, 04:55 PM	#13
Teksun Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,048	Wurm is the best looking bow I'v seen yet. Nice recurve and it glows... __________________ Nerf the Hobbits

07-17-2006, 10:12 PM	#14
Serventof Wrath Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 170	Very happy with my Wurm Destroyer. If I know the mob has a huge AE I'll go slumming with Grizz but thats only till i get a nicer fabled long bow and yes as far as looks the glow off the Wurm is very nice.

07-18-2006, 02:15 AM	#15
Crychtonn Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 684	Milo the Ichorstrand bow is for free ammo and that's it. While I don't see Wurm as a great bow even it is better then Ichorstrand. Wurm has a limited proc that only effects draconic mobs but it's still a damage proc. Ichorstrand has the most useless proc in the world unless your on a PvP server. And on top of that it also has a lower DR then the Wurm bow. The Dev's also decided to nerf the cool ammo you got from it. The Globs used to do poison damage and made all your CA's do poison damage as well. Now they just do regular pierce damage But the bow does save me tons of cash on not having to buy arrows so it's still very much good to get.

07-20-2006, 08:52 PM	#16
Bledso Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 222	I tried to use long bow soloing and short bow for grouping - especially in small instances where distance did not matter and the short bow {62.5) DR vs the {39.5} DR on the long surprisingly did not make that big of a difference. The recast times on the range attack sort of negated any long term advantages the short would have gotten. As I wind up up close meeling no matter which bow I use.

07-21-2006, 04:34 PM	#17
Teksun Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,048	For soloing a Longbow would be much better. An extra 10m means an extra CA.And not to beat a dead horse but, don't forget that snare (first or second shot if sniping) can get you an extra CA in (at the very least the snare itself) __________________ Nerf the Hobbits