Consolidated Dirge issue thread. (11/24/06) - Page 2

ravenscale · 03-12-2006, 01:27 PM

lol ok don't want to be a party pooper or a nay sayer and i know we could nit pick the crap out of each spell line hell I've done it a post called a bards voice. Although at this points its dated but still some valid points....

ok so 2 things 1 our stealth is the only scout stealth with no sub benefit like see stealth, FD when seen or multiple attack with single stealth casting our 2 benefits where speed and a minor int debuff and dot where stolen in DoF. I'd like to see us get something back for it

second and this the part i was talking about not wanting to seem like a party pooper but outside of 1 or 2 bugs and spelling corrections have these posts (although i love them and think it is very constructive) ever actually got the attention of the devs to help us out........ if not i say we go on the whining rampages like rangers just did and the wizards and warlock of old did till they actually got some loving......granted the enchanter line has been doing that for a long time and still no love for them lol so who knows.

Icarii_Raven`Lyon · 03-15-2006, 03:12 AM

Bravos dance and CoB haste do stack. I just happened to look at my persona screen when both were on and I had somethin along the lines of 92% haste (cob + bravo + fbss). I didnt parse to see it that way, but atleast the persona screen seems to think they do.

zboim · 03-26-2006, 09:26 PM

Banshees Scream appears to be breaking stealth for me on termination. Anyone else experienced this?

Edit to add that Oration should interrupt when the target dies, and that Harbringers Sonnet should be castable while running ( as in fact all of the AP stuff probably should be).

Message Edited by zboim on 03-26-200608:30 AM

andersonim · 03-30-2006, 09:12 PM

i took the int line for my aa's, and i currently have 4 points sunk into rythm blade. i spent about 80 gold to get a rapier made to put in primary, so this will work, but havent seen it proc once in my logs yet. anyone else seen this?

playat · 04-01-2006, 11:20 AM

one of the patches broke our fun spells completely they do nothing at all except the dark elf one i get no graphics or sounds from mournful and dirge light one did notice the mournful is ae now though

Lindar Phamoncry · 04-03-2006, 07:01 PM

playatru wrote:
one of the patches broke our fun spells completely they do nothing at all except the dark elf one i get no graphics or sounds from mournful and dirge light one did notice the mournful is ae now though

been working for me... granted the Melancholy Melody only makes it look like a cartoon version of a fart or something but finally remembered my lvl 50 and the orange pulsing is quite noticable... wonder if it takes decent settings to run though

Priestbane · 04-04-2006, 04:23 AM

Playatru: LU 20 or 21 changed the default particle settings in various performance profiles. The fun spells still work (as much as they can be claimed to "work&quot SMILEY

but you need to up your particle settings to see them.

TheSummoned · 04-09-2006, 04:50 AM

Precussion of Stone STILL bumps me out of stealth when it procs.

thelemi · 04-14-2006, 11:34 PM

DW Crushing weapons are available and usable by Dirges, if not all scouts, but we have no Crushing skill in the Adventure window, nor do we receive skillups when using Crushing weapons.

edit: I am only level 16 (so have no AXP) and have been using Baton of the Assistant (see link) for at least 4 levels, but received no skillups

http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/items/BatonoftheAssistant.php

Message Edited by thelemite on 04-14-2006 12:39 PM

Message Edited by thelemite on 04-14-2006 12:41 PM

nadar · 04-26-2006, 07:42 PM

The worst bug I know of what might be a severely delayed/queued scream. We fight and we fight, I sing this that and the other. Mob dies. We might even rest for 20 secs. Then tank goes to pull and targets a mob. Boom, suddently I scream my head off! No I havent touched any button since last fight. This happens for me about once every half hour, usually with few problems as tank luckily rarely targets anything majorly problematic, but it could easily wipe a raid on a bad day. All queued offensive songs should be cleared when combat stops. Maybe it is an entirely random scream(I have never seen it with anything other than a scream like graphic, and no screams seem to be greyed out when it happens) unrelated to queuing.

Salmastryon · 04-28-2006, 12:06 PM

Hmm... being sick for a month and I got over 500 posts in the dirge forums to wade through not to mention the update notes. I'll try to get myself up to speed inthe next couple days and update this.Though I certainly wouldn't mind pointers on any pressing issues :smileywink:

Priestbane · 05-02-2006, 05:43 AM

Welcome back!

Salmastryon · 05-04-2006, 07:06 PM

Thanks Godstalk it is good to be back. I missed playing Kurai. Though, I find myself horrible behind everyone. :smileysurprised: This hasn't helped my repair bill at all as my friends are dragging me off into the the high 60's zones anyway. :smileywink:I did first sweep of updates today to the list. I'll do another run through late after I get feedback from people and a chance to test out some of the reported issues. I would like to add a PvP section for any bugs/problems/issue unique to pvp that crop up on the pvp servers, but since I don't have any PvP characters I'm going to have to rely sololy on those of you on PvP to let me know about stuff.Changes:Added Oration of Sacrifice not canceling on death of target and the Crushing Weapons problem.Moved Hymn of Horror to fixed since it has been working properly for me last few days.Removed Cacophony of Blades.Things to watch/check

Bardic Luck-Should this stay on the list or be removed?Bladeturn problem fixed?- I don't have this AA so I can't check to see if this is still a problem.Crushing weapons-If people could give me the actual names of these weaposn I would appreciate it. I unfortunately have already ditched the low level baton on my test character.Haramonic Shot Ammo issue-I'll check this out tonight.zboim - Banshees Scream appears to be breaking stealth for me on termination. Anyone else experienced this?- Anyone else notice this problem? I'll try to test this out tonight.andersonim - i took the int line for my aa's, and i currently have 4 points sunk into rythm blade. i spent about 80 gold to get a rapier made to put in primary, so this will work, but havent seen it proc once in my logs yet. anyone else seen this?-I don't have this line. Anyone else have it and can find out if this is still an issue?nadarae - The worst bug I know of what might be a severely delayed/queued scream. (See nadarae 's post for more details)- Anyone else having this problem. I've not noticed it, but I''ve only like played 3 days since I've been back.

As always anything I have missed or overlooked let me know about and I'll add.

Salmastryon · 05-05-2006, 02:29 PM

Checked out Harmonizing Shot. It only uses one arrow. Basically the reason it looks like it is using 2 arrows is because you do a range auto attack immediately after harmonizing shot. If you look at your combat logs you can see this.

Digi · 05-07-2006, 12:00 AM

I may have missed it somewhere, but I don't see it mentioned here that the T7 spell scrolls that are Dirge/Troub (Bria's and Discante lines I believe) do not exist. Neither the Master or the Adept has been discovered on any server. Now I could really care less about the Discante line, but Bria's is mana regen, and it would be really nice have that at master level.

Priestbane · 05-11-2006, 04:32 AM

I could care a LOT about the discante line, so definitely mention both!

Salmastryon · 05-11-2006, 05:49 PM

Digi-D wrote:
I may have missed it somewhere, but I don't see it mentioned here that the T7 spell scrolls that are Dirge/Troub (Bria's and Discante lines I believe) do not exist. Neither the Master or the Adept has been discovered on any server. Now I could really care less about the Discante line, but Bria's is mana regen, and it would be really nice have that at master level.

Heh I missed that. No wonder I had to have an adept III of Discante's made. I've added this to the list.

nadar · 05-15-2006, 08:54 PM

Our ability skills cannot be activated when moving either.Debuff effect toggle when cast. So if you have already slowed the mob. Slowing again will actually remove the effect. That is pressing the slow again(while its greyed) or doing /useability in macro will remove the effect.If you lag or the debuff doesn't stick you have to reapply it. If you have a macro with more than one debuff, what do you do if only one seems to stick ?Nothing, cause if you use it again the others will be removed.

thelemi · 05-25-2006, 09:59 PM

Ogaming lists these weapons as being usable by scouts

http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/items/AshwoodCudgel.php

http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/items/CaneoftheLionTamer.php

http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/items/AnvilpawsMace.php

http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/items/CudgelofNight.php

I didn't go through every weapon on the list so it's by no means complete and, in addition, I found that neither the Lion Tamer nor the Anvilpaw have Scout listed under Class in their pictures, but only in Ogaming's description so those 2 may not be Scout usable.

Salmastryon · 06-05-2006, 08:26 PM

Added the Zander's bug. I'll update the info for the crush weapons later. For now, I'm going to leave the stuff on stealth breaking as is. I'm going to try to steal my assassin friend this week and hide from everyone else to do some tests to see if i can pin this down a bit more before I reformat how to write up the bug. Right know things people have reported break stealth are, CoB, Tomb's, Wail of the Banshee and Scream of Death. If anyone finds anything else let me know. I might take my experiments further and test this out with other proc based buffs in other classes for when I submit my bug report. All depends on how lazy I get :p

Iinyena · 06-07-2006, 02:42 AM

Just a thought, or two ....

I have noticed on the T7 raids that alot of my debuff spells take a good 5-6 tries to land. Especially Zander's which is understandable being that it's a T3 spell. After talking to other classes with debuffs they are also having the same issues, so I guess it's just the fact of the matter that the T7 raid mobs just have higher resists than what we can debuff, but why do these debuffs land after trying a zillion times?

Bria's has always been a focus of all bard types, but maybe I'm just old fashioned in thinking that it should not only be a power regen song but also a HP regen song. Am I still living in the old EQ1 days? Could be...

Anyways, that's my two copper.

insen · 06-07-2006, 11:37 PM

Try Casting Trick of the hunter(Splitpaw Adventure Pack) first. It seems to help me to stiuck the debuffs on those resistent mobs.

Salmastryon · 06-08-2006, 12:46 AM

Since our debuffs are pitted against mental resists it can be hard to be em to land on mobs with high mental resists. There are four things I know of that can help this.1) Garsin's - Using garsin's lowers the mobs wis which loweres all the resists2) Zander's - if you are under 50 zander's reduces mental resists which will make it easier to land the debuff3) Other's in your group - I kno necros ahve a nice wis debuff there other other classes tht debuff mental and wis ask around among the people you play with and ask them if they can drop those debuffs on the mob early in their line up4) Quality - The quality of the spell makes a difference in resistability. (Level does not appear to my level 44 Master II daro's rarely gets resisted. I do find that my discante gets resisted much more often than my daro's and clara's because it is only adept III while the others are of Master I or higher quality. AppIV -2%harder Adept I - 10% harder Adept III - 20% harder Master I - 30% harder Master II - 31% harderAs to Trick of the hunter, it just reduces Magic resists not all spell resists.

Lindar Phamoncry · 06-09-2006, 10:41 PM

Aye.. Garsins seems to be the trick I use... invested in bump when a guildy got me the master for it... its MORE than paying off

Have a few top T6 caster buddies been PLing lately... they can even do SoS with ease when I cast it.. makes a world of difference

Salmastryon · 06-13-2006, 09:19 PM

FYI, I've not forgotten about this, just holding off until tomorrow night. Since things will be changing anyway.

Whysprr_Wyrd · 06-13-2006, 10:45 PM

Lindar said:

Are there Masters of Bump? It's an AA ability.

Whysp

Later, after Kurai pointed out the obvious: /doh

Message Edited by Whysprr on 06-13-2006 12:37 PM

Salmastryon · 06-13-2006, 10:56 PM

You misread that. When a guildie gave me a master of garsin's, they invested in getting bump SMILEY

Edited for typo

Message Edited by Salmastryon on 06-13-2006 02:57 PM

Lindar Phamoncry · 06-14-2006, 12:49 AM

aaah yeah.. sorry for fumbling about my words there for a bit SMILEY

Got the Master for Garsins... bump just makes it all too sweet hehehe

Salmastryon · 06-17-2006, 03:33 PM

Updated the list of bugs, etc... Clarified Tomb's and stealth breaking bug. Added breaking on the move bug for allegro and harbringer. Moved Jael's and self buff to fixed. Removed Bladeturn due to lack of confirmation of bug. I've got a feeling I'm missisng one somewhere that was mentioned recently. let me know what it was SMILEY

Things to watch/check

Harmonizing shot-When not used in a situation where the dehat portion would give you negative aggro does the dehate part get rid of less hate than the damage part gives hate. This needs to be tested.Debuffing small amounts of resists of high level targets-there seems to be an issue with this Zander's being one of the examples. Further tests need to be done to pin down exact problem.

Lindar Phamoncry · 06-19-2006, 07:23 PM

thanks for the acknowlegment of the Harmonizing Shot frustration I have had... quite curious on HOW this would be tested?

I'll play with it a bit in the next few days though

03-12-2006, 01:27 PM	#31
ravenscale Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 173	lol ok don't want to be a party pooper or a nay sayer and i know we could nit pick the crap out of each spell line hell I've done it a post called a bards voice. Although at this points its dated but still some valid points.... ok so 2 things 1 our stealth is the only scout stealth with no sub benefit like see stealth, FD when seen or multiple attack with single stealth casting our 2 benefits where speed and a minor int debuff and dot where stolen in DoF. I'd like to see us get something back for it second and this the part i was talking about not wanting to seem like a party pooper but outside of 1 or 2 bugs and spelling corrections have these posts (although i love them and think it is very constructive) ever actually got the attention of the devs to help us out........ if not i say we go on the whining rampages like rangers just did and the wizards and warlock of old did till they actually got some loving......granted the enchanter line has been doing that for a long time and still no love for them lol so who knows. __________________

03-15-2006, 03:12 AM	#32
Icarii_Raven`Lyon Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 265	Bravos dance and CoB haste do stack. I just happened to look at my persona screen when both were on and I had somethin along the lines of 92% haste (cob + bravo + fbss). I didnt parse to see it that way, but atleast the persona screen seems to think they do. __________________ Drusillah Dirge Unrest

03-26-2006, 09:26 PM	#33
zboim Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 55	Banshees Scream appears to be breaking stealth for me on termination. Anyone else experienced this? Edit to add that Oration should interrupt when the target dies, and that Harbringers Sonnet should be castable while running ( as in fact all of the AP stuff probably should be). Message Edited by zboim on 03-26-200608:30 AM __________________ If it moves, stab it.

03-30-2006, 09:12 PM	#34
andersonim Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Anchorage AK Posts: 111	i took the int line for my aa's, and i currently have 4 points sunk into rythm blade. i spent about 80 gold to get a rapier made to put in primary, so this will work, but havent seen it proc once in my logs yet. anyone else seen this? __________________ http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a29...r/xann_sig.png http://signatures.myarmedforces.com/..._signature.png

04-03-2006, 07:01 PM	#36
Lindar Phamoncry Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 323	playatru wrote: one of the patches broke our fun spells completely they do nothing at all except the dark elf one i get no graphics or sounds from mournful and dirge light one did notice the mournful is ae now though been working for me... granted the Melancholy Melody only makes it look like a cartoon version of a fart or something but finally remembered my lvl 50 and the orange pulsing is quite noticable... wonder if it takes decent settings to run though __________________ Lindar Phamoncry, Ayr'Dal Dirty Dirge of 80 Songs Phamon Ne'Mesis, Troll Berserker of the Fourth Tier Faemon Treewasher, Fae Swashy of far to little playtime

04-01-2006, 11:20 AM	#35
playat General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 73	one of the patches broke our fun spells completely they do nothing at all except the dark elf one i get no graphics or sounds from mournful and dirge light one did notice the mournful is ae now though

04-04-2006, 04:23 AM	#37
Priestbane Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,527	Playatru: LU 20 or 21 changed the default particle settings in various performance profiles. The fun spells still work (as much as they can be claimed to "work&quot but you need to up your particle settings to see them. __________________

04-09-2006, 04:50 AM	#38
TheSummoned Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 713	Precussion of Stone STILL bumps me out of stealth when it procs. __________________ __________________________ Yukia, Darathar's bruiser - Retired Ajeco, 70 Splitpaw bruiser - Retired Ezahia, dirge of Validus, Splitpaw

04-14-2006, 11:34 PM	#39
thelemi Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 5	DW Crushing weapons are available and usable by Dirges, if not all scouts, but we have no Crushing skill in the Adventure window, nor do we receive skillups when using Crushing weapons. edit: I am only level 16 (so have no AXP) and have been using Baton of the Assistant (see link) for at least 4 levels, but received no skillups http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/items/BatonoftheAssistant.php Message Edited by thelemite on 04-14-2006 12:39 PM Message Edited by thelemite on 04-14-2006 12:41 PM

04-26-2006, 07:42 PM	#40
nadar Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 10	The worst bug I know of what might be a severely delayed/queued scream. We fight and we fight, I sing this that and the other. Mob dies. We might even rest for 20 secs. Then tank goes to pull and targets a mob. Boom, suddently I scream my head off! No I havent touched any button since last fight. This happens for me about once every half hour, usually with few problems as tank luckily rarely targets anything majorly problematic, but it could easily wipe a raid on a bad day. All queued offensive songs should be cleared when combat stops. Maybe it is an entirely random scream(I have never seen it with anything other than a scream like graphic, and no screams seem to be greyed out when it happens) unrelated to queuing.

04-28-2006, 12:06 PM	#41
Salmastryon Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 616	Hmm... being sick for a month and I got over 500 posts in the dirge forums to wade through not to mention the update notes. I'll try to get myself up to speed inthe next couple days and update this.Though I certainly wouldn't mind pointers on any pressing issues :smileywink:

05-02-2006, 05:43 AM	#42
Priestbane Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,527	Welcome back! __________________

05-04-2006, 07:06 PM	#43
Salmastryon Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 616	Thanks Godstalk it is good to be back. I missed playing Kurai. Though, I find myself horrible behind everyone. :smileysurprised: This hasn't helped my repair bill at all as my friends are dragging me off into the the high 60's zones anyway. :smileywink:I did first sweep of updates today to the list. I'll do another run through late after I get feedback from people and a chance to test out some of the reported issues. I would like to add a PvP section for any bugs/problems/issue unique to pvp that crop up on the pvp servers, but since I don't have any PvP characters I'm going to have to rely sololy on those of you on PvP to let me know about stuff.Changes:Added Oration of Sacrifice not canceling on death of target and the Crushing Weapons problem.Moved Hymn of Horror to fixed since it has been working properly for me last few days.Removed Cacophony of Blades.Things to watch/check Bardic Luck-Should this stay on the list or be removed?Bladeturn problem fixed?- I don't have this AA so I can't check to see if this is still a problem.Crushing weapons-If people could give me the actual names of these weaposn I would appreciate it. I unfortunately have already ditched the low level baton on my test character.Haramonic Shot Ammo issue-I'll check this out tonight.zboim - Banshees Scream appears to be breaking stealth for me on termination. Anyone else experienced this?- Anyone else notice this problem? I'll try to test this out tonight.andersonim - i took the int line for my aa's, and i currently have 4 points sunk into rythm blade. i spent about 80 gold to get a rapier made to put in primary, so this will work, but havent seen it proc once in my logs yet. anyone else seen this?-I don't have this line. Anyone else have it and can find out if this is still an issue?nadarae - The worst bug I know of what might be a severely delayed/queued scream. (See nadarae 's post for more details)- Anyone else having this problem. I've not noticed it, but I''ve only like played 3 days since I've been back. As always anything I have missed or overlooked let me know about and I'll add.

05-05-2006, 02:29 PM	#44
Salmastryon Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 616	Checked out Harmonizing Shot. It only uses one arrow. Basically the reason it looks like it is using 2 arrows is because you do a range auto attack immediately after harmonizing shot. If you look at your combat logs you can see this.

05-07-2006, 12:00 AM	#45
Digi Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 29	I may have missed it somewhere, but I don't see it mentioned here that the T7 spell scrolls that are Dirge/Troub (Bria's and Discante lines I believe) do not exist. Neither the Master or the Adept has been discovered on any server. Now I could really care less about the Discante line, but Bria's is mana regen, and it would be really nice have that at master level. __________________

05-11-2006, 04:32 AM	#46
Priestbane Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,527	I could care a LOT about the discante line, so definitely mention both! __________________

05-11-2006, 05:49 PM	#47
Salmastryon Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 616	Digi-D wrote: I may have missed it somewhere, but I don't see it mentioned here that the T7 spell scrolls that are Dirge/Troub (Bria's and Discante lines I believe) do not exist. Neither the Master or the Adept has been discovered on any server. Now I could really care less about the Discante line, but Bria's is mana regen, and it would be really nice have that at master level. Heh I missed that. No wonder I had to have an adept III of Discante's made. I've added this to the list.

05-15-2006, 08:54 PM	#48
nadar Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 10	Our ability skills cannot be activated when moving either.Debuff effect toggle when cast. So if you have already slowed the mob. Slowing again will actually remove the effect. That is pressing the slow again(while its greyed) or doing /useability in macro will remove the effect.If you lag or the debuff doesn't stick you have to reapply it. If you have a macro with more than one debuff, what do you do if only one seems to stick ?Nothing, cause if you use it again the others will be removed.

05-25-2006, 09:59 PM	#49
thelemi Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 5	Ogaming lists these weapons as being usable by scouts http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/items/AshwoodCudgel.php http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/items/CaneoftheLionTamer.php http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/items/AnvilpawsMace.php http://eq2.ogaming.com/db/items/CudgelofNight.php I didn't go through every weapon on the list so it's by no means complete and, in addition, I found that neither the Lion Tamer nor the Anvilpaw have Scout listed under Class in their pictures, but only in Ogaming's description so those 2 may not be Scout usable.

06-05-2006, 08:26 PM	#50
Salmastryon Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 616	Added the Zander's bug. I'll update the info for the crush weapons later. For now, I'm going to leave the stuff on stealth breaking as is. I'm going to try to steal my assassin friend this week and hide from everyone else to do some tests to see if i can pin this down a bit more before I reformat how to write up the bug. Right know things people have reported break stealth are, CoB, Tomb's, Wail of the Banshee and Scream of Death. If anyone finds anything else let me know. I might take my experiments further and test this out with other proc based buffs in other classes for when I submit my bug report. All depends on how lazy I get :p

06-07-2006, 02:42 AM	#51
Iinyena Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6	Just a thought, or two .... I have noticed on the T7 raids that alot of my debuff spells take a good 5-6 tries to land. Especially Zander's which is understandable being that it's a T3 spell. After talking to other classes with debuffs they are also having the same issues, so I guess it's just the fact of the matter that the T7 raid mobs just have higher resists than what we can debuff, but why do these debuffs land after trying a zillion times? Bria's has always been a focus of all bard types, but maybe I'm just old fashioned in thinking that it should not only be a power regen song but also a HP regen song. Am I still living in the old EQ1 days? Could be... Anyways, that's my two copper. __________________ Anoca Banoca 80 Carpenter 80 Dirge Always craft before you kill.

06-07-2006, 11:37 PM	#52
insen Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 49	Try Casting Trick of the hunter(Splitpaw Adventure Pack) first. It seems to help me to stiuck the debuffs on those resistent mobs.

06-08-2006, 12:46 AM	#53
Salmastryon Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 616	Since our debuffs are pitted against mental resists it can be hard to be em to land on mobs with high mental resists. There are four things I know of that can help this.1) Garsin's - Using garsin's lowers the mobs wis which loweres all the resists2) Zander's - if you are under 50 zander's reduces mental resists which will make it easier to land the debuff3) Other's in your group - I kno necros ahve a nice wis debuff there other other classes tht debuff mental and wis ask around among the people you play with and ask them if they can drop those debuffs on the mob early in their line up4) Quality - The quality of the spell makes a difference in resistability. (Level does not appear to my level 44 Master II daro's rarely gets resisted. I do find that my discante gets resisted much more often than my daro's and clara's because it is only adept III while the others are of Master I or higher quality. AppIV -2%harder Adept I - 10% harder Adept III - 20% harder Master I - 30% harder Master II - 31% harderAs to Trick of the hunter, it just reduces Magic resists not all spell resists.

06-09-2006, 10:41 PM	#54
Lindar Phamoncry Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 323	Aye.. Garsins seems to be the trick I use... invested in bump when a guildy got me the master for it... its MORE than paying off Have a few top T6 caster buddies been PLing lately... they can even do SoS with ease when I cast it.. makes a world of difference __________________ Lindar Phamoncry, Ayr'Dal Dirty Dirge of 80 Songs Phamon Ne'Mesis, Troll Berserker of the Fourth Tier Faemon Treewasher, Fae Swashy of far to little playtime

06-13-2006, 09:19 PM	#55
Salmastryon Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 616	FYI, I've not forgotten about this, just holding off until tomorrow night. Since things will be changing anyway.

06-13-2006, 10:45 PM	#56
Whysprr_Wyrd Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 908	Lindar said: Are there Masters of Bump? It's an AA ability. Whysp Later, after Kurai pointed out the obvious: /doh Message Edited by Whysprr on 06-13-2006 12:37 PM __________________

06-13-2006, 10:56 PM	#57
Salmastryon Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 616	You misread that. When a guildie gave me a master of garsin's, they invested in getting bump Edited for typo Message Edited by Salmastryon on 06-13-2006 02:57 PM

06-14-2006, 12:49 AM	#58
Lindar Phamoncry Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 323	aaah yeah.. sorry for fumbling about my words there for a bit Got the Master for Garsins... bump just makes it all too sweet hehehe __________________ Lindar Phamoncry, Ayr'Dal Dirty Dirge of 80 Songs Phamon Ne'Mesis, Troll Berserker of the Fourth Tier Faemon Treewasher, Fae Swashy of far to little playtime

06-17-2006, 03:33 PM	#59
Salmastryon Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 616	Updated the list of bugs, etc... Clarified Tomb's and stealth breaking bug. Added breaking on the move bug for allegro and harbringer. Moved Jael's and self buff to fixed. Removed Bladeturn due to lack of confirmation of bug. I've got a feeling I'm missisng one somewhere that was mentioned recently. let me know what it was Things to watch/check Harmonizing shot-When not used in a situation where the dehat portion would give you negative aggro does the dehate part get rid of less hate than the damage part gives hate. This needs to be tested.Debuffing small amounts of resists of high level targets-there seems to be an issue with this Zander's being one of the examples. Further tests need to be done to pin down exact problem.

06-19-2006, 07:23 PM	#60
Lindar Phamoncry Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 323	thanks for the acknowlegment of the Harmonizing Shot frustration I have had... quite curious on HOW this would be tested? I'll play with it a bit in the next few days though __________________ Lindar Phamoncry, Ayr'Dal Dirty Dirge of 80 Songs Phamon Ne'Mesis, Troll Berserker of the Fourth Tier Faemon Treewasher, Fae Swashy of far to little playtime