What to do with 1st Ebon cluster

D_Cor · 06-29-2005, 01:10 PM

The subject says it all. I've got an ebon cluster and I'm wondering what's the best thing to have made from it. Imbued one hand sword ? Imbued dual weild ? Imbued chain coat ? I'm currently a level 39 dirge. I've got a SBD, PGT, and am working on the quest for the SSoY. I've got dual weilds covered for now. My dirge is also a woodworker, so I could make my a cedar shield easily and use a one hand sword. For armor I can afford to buy a full suit of fulginate chain when i hit 40. So what's best to have made with my first ebon cluster ?

Dejetdude · 06-29-2005, 03:46 PM

What is your bp ? It sounds like you have the weapons covered for now, the heritage quested dual weapons are fine for low 40's. I didn't gather my first ebon cluster til I was almost 50, and had a great bp at that time, so went with pristine imbued ebon leafblades with my first two clusters. I wouldn't bother with the one-hander and shield at this time, unless they are better then ebon and cedar, ie some of the master drops are worth having. Without more info I'd guess do the coat and let the weapons wait for a few levels. Dejet

Knightma · 06-29-2005, 04:01 PM

If you are planning on doing all the heritage quests for status points, I would save the Ebon Cluster as you will need it for the Bone Bladed Claymore. If not, I would get a weapon made, unless you solo a ton or find yourself as the MT, you could wear VLA and be just as effective in groups leveling.

Mezmith-50 Dirge, Permafrost.

VelvetAcid · 06-29-2005, 04:21 PM

I'd get a weapon made, Leafblade or Sai. Fulginate chain will do you fine, if your tight on cash then rare medium armor is pointless for the price vs upgrade, if however you really want better gear then i'd sell it and get 4 bits of rare light armor made, guess it depends on server prices though but you should be able to get rare light legs & chest at least, it looks alot nicer and is much better value for money.

Message Edited by VelvetAcid13 on 06-29-2005 05:27 AM

MiscreantPy · 06-29-2005, 05:14 PM

Get a weapon leafblade for peircing or crescent axe for slashing. As those are the longest delay crafted weaps in their respective dmg types.

DocEvil · 06-29-2005, 06:30 PM

I would think about selling the ebon and buying spellrares instead. IMHO your profit from early upgrading of essential spells will bring you a bigger benefit than an ebon weapon/bp. In the early 40s you will do really good with the SSoY and the SBD at all, but if you really want to have something made of your ebon, then i would go for a leafblade as mentioned above.

Ls · 06-29-2005, 07:58 PM

I would buy a helmet :smileyhappy: i think its the rarest [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]in thing .... never saw fabled medium armor helmet in 5months of raiding .... every other item 4-5 times but no helmet...

QuiPo · 06-30-2005, 12:57 AM

MiscreantPyro wrote:

Get a weapon leafblade for peircing or crescent axe for slashing. As those are the longest delay crafted weaps in their respective dmg types.

Why would it be better to have longer delay?

Priestbane · 06-30-2005, 01:03 AM

Longer delay results in a higher percentage chance to proc per swing AND

Longer delay weapons will be more likely to do more damage in CA-heavy encounters or high haste groups.

If you use arts a lot, they take longer to cast than it typically takes a weapon to refresh. So if you attack the same amount of times (once) in between combat arts, then you'd want that to be the hardest hit you can fit in there. Since you are getting teh same amount of attacks in (staggered by CAs), then you'd ALSO want the highest possible proc chance per swing.

Furthermore, there is (almost certainly) a haste cap in terms of the minimum delay between weapon swings. You get more benefit from a longer delay in regular autoattack than you would with faster weapons which reach the cap faster.

That's most of the logic behind slower weapons.

QuiPo · 06-30-2005, 01:14 AM

Godstalk wrote:

Longer delay results in a higher percentage chance to proc per swing AND

Longer delay weapons will be more likely to do more damage in CA-heavy encounters or high haste groups.

If you use arts a lot, they take longer to cast than it typically takes a weapon to refresh. So if you attack the same amount of times (once) in between combat arts, then you'd want that to be the hardest hit you can fit in there. Since you are getting teh same amount of attacks in (staggered by CAs), then you'd ALSO want the highest possible proc chance per swing.

Furthermore, there is (almost certainly) a haste cap in terms of the minimum delay between weapon swings. You get more benefit from a longer delay in regular autoattack than you would with faster weapons which reach the cap faster.

That's most of the logic behind slower weapons.

OK thanks. I understand the logic behind longer delay weapons doing more damage if you are using them during battles with lots of CAs, but the higher chance to proc per swing, which Ive seen ppl mention before, I thought was pretty much just a theory. Being that the haste cap is also a theory (based on arguments Ive seen both ways), wouldnt it not necessarily be true that higher delay would be the way to go if you're in a fight where you are depending more on haste + procs to do your damage than CAs?

Priestbane · 06-30-2005, 01:19 AM

Yes. I thought I had said that, but I was apparently unclear. =)

EDIT: MO' info! Higher chance to proc per swing is not theory (as much as anyone can state that without looking at code or at least formulae), it's been stated by dev. It's also REAL easy to see... check how often you proc off that 7s delay Cedar imbued longbow with a fury in group and your own proc up, and a warlock, and... anyhow, you will proc FAR more often on your Jael's shots per use than you will ever see with that 1.2 delay short sword.

Also enough double negative-ing in your post to make me unsure that I am actually clarifying anything. =D If there was NO minimum swing delay then there would be no gains in a high haste/melee+proc group with slow weapons versus fast weapons, but you would still see gains with high CA usage.

I would say with very strong certainty that there is a minimum swing delay, but I couldn't SWEAR to it. =)

Message Edited by Godstalk on 06-29-2005 02:24 PM

QuiPo · 06-30-2005, 01:27 AM

OK thanks again. Sorry if my reply was a little confusing, but I do like to confuse people whenever I get the chance. :smileytongue:

D_Cor · 07-01-2005, 10:59 PM

Thanks for all the suggestions. I'll either use the ebon for the claymore heritage quest for the guild status or have some chain chest armor made.As for the proc's on duals. With an alt I definately noticed a two handed imbued weapons (higher delay) seem to go off more than using two duals. And with my dirge's oak longbow I often get the extra imbue damage when firing off sapping shot.

killzo · 07-12-2005, 06:05 PM

D_Corso wrote:
Thanks for all the suggestions. I'll either use the ebon for the claymore heritage quest for the guild status or have some chain chest armor made.

As for the proc's on duals. With an alt I definately noticed a two handed imbued weapons (higher delay) seem to go off more than using two duals. And with my dirge's oak longbow I often get the extra imbue damage when firing off sapping shot.

LOL I don't think you were paying attention to the posts. Don't waste any ebon on armor. If you don't use it for the heritage you should get either a leafblade or crescent axe they are a lot better than the heritage duals. Highest overall damage is best. Delay is of no consequence, that time ticks off when using arts and you will get the biggest increases when hasted.

Fromingo · 07-12-2005, 11:03 PM

Get a Ebon Chain BP or an Ebon Imbued 1 hander if you plan on trying the shield route. Play with your Heritage for dual wield for awhile as you'll get more Ebon's for Dual Wield and other pieces of armor(if you want) later or obtain better quested/dropped items along the way. Finish the EBBC at your leisure when you have ebon's to spare. You can always do other heritage quests/writs for guild status now, no sense dropping an ebon this early for a piece of furniture.

06-29-2005, 01:10 PM	#1
D_Cor Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 33	The subject says it all. I've got an ebon cluster and I'm wondering what's the best thing to have made from it. Imbued one hand sword ? Imbued dual weild ? Imbued chain coat ? I'm currently a level 39 dirge. I've got a SBD, PGT, and am working on the quest for the SSoY. I've got dual weilds covered for now. My dirge is also a woodworker, so I could make my a cedar shield easily and use a one hand sword. For armor I can afford to buy a full suit of fulginate chain when i hit 40. So what's best to have made with my first ebon cluster ? __________________ Citizen of Freeport, Lucan D'lere Ansgar - Dirge / Woodworker Corso - Inquisitor / Alchemist Jagreen - Wizard and Neopyhte of the Academy of Arcane Science

06-29-2005, 03:46 PM	#2
Dejetdude Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 56	What is your bp ? It sounds like you have the weapons covered for now, the heritage quested dual weapons are fine for low 40's. I didn't gather my first ebon cluster til I was almost 50, and had a great bp at that time, so went with pristine imbued ebon leafblades with my first two clusters. I wouldn't bother with the one-hander and shield at this time, unless they are better then ebon and cedar, ie some of the master drops are worth having. Without more info I'd guess do the coat and let the weapons wait for a few levels. Dejet __________________

06-29-2005, 04:21 PM	#4
VelvetAcid Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 57	I'd get a weapon made, Leafblade or Sai. Fulginate chain will do you fine, if your tight on cash then rare medium armor is pointless for the price vs upgrade, if however you really want better gear then i'd sell it and get 4 bits of rare light armor made, guess it depends on server prices though but you should be able to get rare light legs & chest at least, it looks alot nicer and is much better value for money. Message Edited by VelvetAcid13 on 06-29-2005 05:27 AM __________________ --------------------------------- Duath - 50 Dirge - Splitpaw Rebirth

06-29-2005, 05:14 PM	#5
MiscreantPy Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 197	Get a weapon leafblade for peircing or crescent axe for slashing. As those are the longest delay crafted weaps in their respective dmg types. __________________ Symphonia -70 Buffbot / 62 Armorer, Halcyon Affinity Stop calling me dps.

06-29-2005, 06:30 PM	#6
DocEvil Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 216	I would think about selling the ebon and buying spellrares instead. IMHO your profit from early upgrading of essential spells will bring you a bigger benefit than an ebon weapon/bp. In the early 40s you will do really good with the SSoY and the SBD at all, but if you really want to have something made of your ebon, then i would go for a leafblade as mentioned above. __________________ --- I must have done sillier things in my life, but I couldn't remember when -Yiko- Singing dirges since 2005

06-29-2005, 04:01 PM	#3
Knightma Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 54	If you are planning on doing all the heritage quests for status points, I would save the Ebon Cluster as you will need it for the Bone Bladed Claymore. If not, I would get a weapon made, unless you solo a ton or find yourself as the MT, you could wear VLA and be just as effective in groups leveling. Mezmith-50 Dirge, Permafrost.

06-29-2005, 07:58 PM	#7
Ls Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 63	I would buy a helmet :smileyhappy: i think its the rarest [expletive ninja'd by Faarbot]in thing .... never saw fabled medium armor helmet in 5months of raiding .... every other item 4-5 times but no helmet...

06-30-2005, 12:57 AM	#8
QuiPo Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 66	MiscreantPyro wrote: Get a weapon leafblade for peircing or crescent axe for slashing. As those are the longest delay crafted weaps in their respective dmg types. Why would it be better to have longer delay?

06-30-2005, 01:03 AM	#9
Priestbane Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,527	Longer delay results in a higher percentage chance to proc per swing AND Longer delay weapons will be more likely to do more damage in CA-heavy encounters or high haste groups. If you use arts a lot, they take longer to cast than it typically takes a weapon to refresh. So if you attack the same amount of times (once) in between combat arts, then you'd want that to be the hardest hit you can fit in there. Since you are getting teh same amount of attacks in (staggered by CAs), then you'd ALSO want the highest possible proc chance per swing. Furthermore, there is (almost certainly) a haste cap in terms of the minimum delay between weapon swings. You get more benefit from a longer delay in regular autoattack than you would with faster weapons which reach the cap faster. That's most of the logic behind slower weapons. __________________

06-30-2005, 01:14 AM	#10
QuiPo Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 66	Godstalk wrote: Longer delay results in a higher percentage chance to proc per swing AND Longer delay weapons will be more likely to do more damage in CA-heavy encounters or high haste groups. If you use arts a lot, they take longer to cast than it typically takes a weapon to refresh. So if you attack the same amount of times (once) in between combat arts, then you'd want that to be the hardest hit you can fit in there. Since you are getting teh same amount of attacks in (staggered by CAs), then you'd ALSO want the highest possible proc chance per swing. Furthermore, there is (almost certainly) a haste cap in terms of the minimum delay between weapon swings. You get more benefit from a longer delay in regular autoattack than you would with faster weapons which reach the cap faster. That's most of the logic behind slower weapons. OK thanks. I understand the logic behind longer delay weapons doing more damage if you are using them during battles with lots of CAs, but the higher chance to proc per swing, which Ive seen ppl mention before, I thought was pretty much just a theory. Being that the haste cap is also a theory (based on arguments Ive seen both ways), wouldnt it not necessarily be true that higher delay would be the way to go if you're in a fight where you are depending more on haste + procs to do your damage than CAs?

06-30-2005, 01:19 AM	#11
Priestbane Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,527	Yes. I thought I had said that, but I was apparently unclear. =) EDIT: MO' info! Higher chance to proc per swing is not theory (as much as anyone can state that without looking at code or at least formulae), it's been stated by dev. It's also REAL easy to see... check how often you proc off that 7s delay Cedar imbued longbow with a fury in group and your own proc up, and a warlock, and... anyhow, you will proc FAR more often on your Jael's shots per use than you will ever see with that 1.2 delay short sword. Also enough double negative-ing in your post to make me unsure that I am actually clarifying anything. =D If there was NO minimum swing delay then there would be no gains in a high haste/melee+proc group with slow weapons versus fast weapons, but you would still see gains with high CA usage. I would say with very strong certainty that there is a minimum swing delay, but I couldn't SWEAR to it. =) Message Edited by Godstalk on 06-29-2005 02:24 PM __________________

06-30-2005, 01:27 AM	#12
QuiPo Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 66	OK thanks again. Sorry if my reply was a little confusing, but I do like to confuse people whenever I get the chance. :smileytongue:

07-01-2005, 10:59 PM	#13
D_Cor Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 33	Thanks for all the suggestions. I'll either use the ebon for the claymore heritage quest for the guild status or have some chain chest armor made.As for the proc's on duals. With an alt I definately noticed a two handed imbued weapons (higher delay) seem to go off more than using two duals. And with my dirge's oak longbow I often get the extra imbue damage when firing off sapping shot. __________________ Citizen of Freeport, Lucan D'lere Ansgar - Dirge / Woodworker Corso - Inquisitor / Alchemist Jagreen - Wizard and Neopyhte of the Academy of Arcane Science

07-12-2005, 06:05 PM	#14
killzo Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 281	D_Corso wrote: Thanks for all the suggestions. I'll either use the ebon for the claymore heritage quest for the guild status or have some chain chest armor made. As for the proc's on duals. With an alt I definately noticed a two handed imbued weapons (higher delay) seem to go off more than using two duals. And with my dirge's oak longbow I often get the extra imbue damage when firing off sapping shot. LOL I don't think you were paying attention to the posts. Don't waste any ebon on armor. If you don't use it for the heritage you should get either a leafblade or crescent axe they are a lot better than the heritage duals. Highest overall damage is best. Delay is of no consequence, that time ticks off when using arts and you will get the biggest increases when hasted.

07-12-2005, 11:03 PM	#15
Fromingo Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 536	Get a Ebon Chain BP or an Ebon Imbued 1 hander if you plan on trying the shield route. Play with your Heritage for dual wield for awhile as you'll get more Ebon's for Dual Wield and other pieces of armor(if you want) later or obtain better quested/dropped items along the way. Finish the EBBC at your leisure when you have ebon's to spare. You can always do other heritage quests/writs for guild status now, no sense dropping an ebon this early for a piece of furniture.