Running at the speed of music?

Crombie · 02-10-2005, 09:24 PM

I realize this topic has been discussed before by many people, all wishing for bards to have the ability to run fast as in EQ1. When the training abilities came out, Dirges were granted this ability.The on thing that kind of irks me is that, why would any other dirge not choose this ability? (its a 26% speed boost that stacks with Pathfinding that is 14%. Making a 40% which is supposedly the speed of Sprint.)Why not just give a skill that does this instead of a training? There is basicly no better option when you can use this skill way past its recomended level. Why are Troubadors barred from any type of movement speed training abilities. It would be awesome if there was a Lost score of Selo's Music in which both classes can can use the movement speed. Its just odd to me that Dirges would get this, as a training no less that is basicly defining a certain point in their class while us Troubadors are blocked from it. I greatly enjoy playing my trouabor, but every class has its quirks. Any one have any feedback on this issue?~~~Bink the Halfling, Troubador~~~(Butcherblock)

MiscreantPy · 02-11-2005, 07:15 AM

Crombie wrote:
I realize this topic has been discussed before by many people, all wishing for bards to have the ability to run fast as in EQ1. When the training abilities came out, Dirges were granted this ability.

The on thing that kind of irks me is that, why would any other dirge not choose this ability?
(its a 26% speed boost that stacks with Pathfinding that is 14%. Making a 40% which is supposedly the speed of Sprint.)

Why not just give a skill that does this instead of a training? There is basicly no better option when you can use this skill way past its recomended level. Why are Troubadors barred from any type of movement speed training abilities.

It would be awesome if there was a Lost score of Selo's Music in which both classes can can use the movement speed. Its just odd to me that Dirges would get this, as a training no less that is basicly defining a certain point in their class while us Troubadors are blocked from it.

I greatly enjoy playing my trouabor, but every class has its quirks.

Any one have any feedback on this issue?

~~~Bink the Halfling, Troubador~~~
(Butcherblock)

Run song is all us dirges have, if they gave it to troubs, dirges would be left with nothing unique, on top of the fact that they suck in every other way compared to troubs.

bellring · 02-11-2005, 07:53 AM

when thay bring the horse nerf in that will be the same speed as a 9p horse 40%

so dirges dont need to buy a horse

Alis · 02-11-2005, 01:12 PM

and with Jboots we are as fast as the 50pp carpet!

Jzi · 02-11-2005, 05:50 PM

I still worry about a change to the stacking of this song to be honest.However I don't see why troubs don't get a training that offers them a run speed buff, as long as its not better than the dirge one I don't care.Run speed shouldn't be a deciding factor in either sub-class, and if you think thats all a Dirge has to offer its quite sad.I play a Dirge, I'd rather such a skill was shared by both bard types rather than it being nerfed due to creating imbalance between the sub-classes.

Message Edited by Jziad on 02-11-2005 04:56 AM

Crombie · 02-11-2005, 06:23 PM

Dirges have many abilites that help make them unique

Troubadors have Power Decreaser

Digre have Health Decreaser

Troubador have Mental Procs

Dirges have Disease Procs

Troubadors have an HP regen (sad one though >_&lt SMILEY

Dirges have Rez

Troubadors have Lower Hate over Time songs

Dirges have Raise Hate songs

Both have different resistsnace buffs and so on...

We know that Troubadors are more defensively based and Dirges are more offesive

I could go on reading off different class skills that make one another unique, but this one thing just bothers me in 2 ways.

Why would they make a training skill everyone single Dirge should choose? That shows it use far beyond the level given and is becoming class defining.

My other concern is that troubadors dont get anything like this. You would think a movement song would be a Bard defining skill, increasing your speed to the beats of a drum.

Just something that interested me and wondered what others would think =D ty guys for your replys

~~~Bink the Halfling, Troubador~~~

bellring · 02-11-2005, 06:40 PM

as a troub we was givening a stats buff then after that thay nerf the buff by downgrading the agi now thay having ago at strengh .it now make our freebe useless.i dont under stand why we could not have a running upgrade as pathing is a waste of time.

only way im goint to match a dirge is a 9p horse or them running boots .horse would be easer to get if your have high crafting skills the running boots you cant wear till lvl 42.

and both cant be used with grps.

KineticMu · 02-12-2005, 01:04 PM

I was under the impression when I selected my troubador that both classes (dirge/troub) got the run speed. Had I known before hand that a Troubador would not get increased run speed, I'd have gone dirge. I almost went dirge because they actually got a dual weild weapon instead of a 1hs.

Chou · 02-15-2005, 01:57 PM

MiscreantPyro wrote:
Crombie wrote:I realize this topic has been discussed before by many people, all wishing for bards to have the ability to run fast as in EQ1. When the training abilities came out, Dirges were granted this ability.The on thing that kind of irks me is that, why would any other dirge not choose this ability? (its a 26% speed boost that stacks with Pathfinding that is 14%. Making a 40% which is supposedly the speed of Sprint.)Why not just give a skill that does this instead of a training? There is basicly no better option when you can use this skill way past its recomended level. Why are Troubadors barred from any type of movement speed training abilities. It would be awesome if there was a Lost score of Selo's Music in which both classes can can use the movement speed. Its just odd to me that Dirges would get this, as a training no less that is basicly defining a certain point in their class while us Troubadors are blocked from it. I greatly enjoy playing my trouabor, but every class has its quirks. Any one have any feedback on this issue?~~~Bink the Halfling, Troubador~~~(Butcherblock)
Run song is all us dirges have, if they gave it to troubs, dirges would be left with nothing unique, on top of the fact that they suck in every other way compared to troubs.

Dirges - Offensive songs and debuffs to attack enemies withTroubs - Buffs for themselves and alliesThat said, it's more reasonable for an offensive type to get the more/most useful of beneficial buffs?

Message Edited by Chouji on 02-15-2005 12:58 AM

Alis · 02-15-2005, 02:26 PM

Dirges get claras thats a great debuff in melee groups, I think its our main advantage. The disadvantage of the run speed buff is my alts are so slow, and the difference is painful!

Jzi · 02-15-2005, 02:30 PM

Chouji wrote:

MiscreantPyro wrote:

Crombie wrote:
I realize this topic has been discussed before by many people, all wishing for bards to have the ability to run fast as in EQ1. When the training abilities came out, Dirges were granted this ability.

The on thing that kind of irks me is that, why would any other dirge not choose this ability?
(its a 26% speed boost that stacks with Pathfinding that is 14%. Making a 40% which is supposedly the speed of Sprint.)

Why not just give a skill that does this instead of a training? There is basicly no better option when you can use this skill way past its recomended level. Why are Troubadors barred from any type of movement speed training abilities.

It would be awesome if there was a Lost score of Selo's Music in which both classes can can use the movement speed. Its just odd to me that Dirges would get this, as a training no less that is basicly defining a certain point in their class while us Troubadors are blocked from it.

I greatly enjoy playing my trouabor, but every class has its quirks.

Any one have any feedback on this issue?

~~~Bink the Halfling, Troubador~~~
(Butcherblock)

Run song is all us dirges have, if they gave it to troubs, dirges would be left with nothing unique, on top of the fact that they suck in every other way compared to troubs.

Dirges - Offensive songs and debuffs to attack enemies with
Troubs - Buffs for themselves and allies

That said, it's more reasonable for an offensive type to get the more/most useful of beneficial buffs?
Message Edited by Chouji on 02-15-2005 12:58 AM

Dirges get several buffs, some with an "offensive" factor. Dirges only having debuffs is a big misconception. The run speed is attached to a dirge buff that gives stats and dps. So yes its reasonable for us to have. Wether its reasonable for Troubadours not to have a version of their own is different.

Message Edited by Jziad on 02-15-2005 01:32 AM

Raj · 02-15-2005, 11:19 PM

Run song is all us dirges have, if they gave it to troubs, dirges would be left with nothing unique, on top of the fact that they suck in every other way compared to troubs.

Finiteryhthm-50 Dirge

[Removed for Content], speak for your self man. I don't feel useless at all and I'm a 50 Dirge that did NOT choose run song. I do agree--though--that both troubs and dirges have the same run speed. Maybe instead of traits, SOE can individualize Pathfinding to each class. For example, bards get an upgrade to pathfinding at X level called Selo's blah blah, while Rangers get like Spirit of the... and so forth.

--Kharter (50 Dirge, Innothule)

02-10-2005, 09:24 PM	#1
Crombie Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Rivervale Posts: 148	I realize this topic has been discussed before by many people, all wishing for bards to have the ability to run fast as in EQ1. When the training abilities came out, Dirges were granted this ability.The on thing that kind of irks me is that, why would any other dirge not choose this ability? (its a 26% speed boost that stacks with Pathfinding that is 14%. Making a 40% which is supposedly the speed of Sprint.)Why not just give a skill that does this instead of a training? There is basicly no better option when you can use this skill way past its recomended level. Why are Troubadors barred from any type of movement speed training abilities. It would be awesome if there was a Lost score of Selo's Music in which both classes can can use the movement speed. Its just odd to me that Dirges would get this, as a training no less that is basicly defining a certain point in their class while us Troubadors are blocked from it. I greatly enjoy playing my trouabor, but every class has its quirks. Any one have any feedback on this issue?~~~Bink the Halfling, Troubador~~~(Butcherblock) __________________

02-11-2005, 07:15 AM	#2
MiscreantPy Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 197	Crombie wrote: I realize this topic has been discussed before by many people, all wishing for bards to have the ability to run fast as in EQ1. When the training abilities came out, Dirges were granted this ability. The on thing that kind of irks me is that, why would any other dirge not choose this ability? (its a 26% speed boost that stacks with Pathfinding that is 14%. Making a 40% which is supposedly the speed of Sprint.) Why not just give a skill that does this instead of a training? There is basicly no better option when you can use this skill way past its recomended level. Why are Troubadors barred from any type of movement speed training abilities. It would be awesome if there was a Lost score of Selo's Music in which both classes can can use the movement speed. Its just odd to me that Dirges would get this, as a training no less that is basicly defining a certain point in their class while us Troubadors are blocked from it. I greatly enjoy playing my trouabor, but every class has its quirks. Any one have any feedback on this issue? ~~~Bink the Halfling, Troubador~~~ (Butcherblock) Run song is all us dirges have, if they gave it to troubs, dirges would be left with nothing unique, on top of the fact that they suck in every other way compared to troubs. __________________ Symphonia -70 Buffbot / 62 Armorer, Halcyon Affinity Stop calling me dps.

02-11-2005, 06:23 PM	#6
Crombie Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Rivervale Posts: 148	Dirges have many abilites that help make them unique Troubadors have Power Decreaser Digre have Health Decreaser Troubador have Mental Procs Dirges have Disease Procs Troubadors have an HP regen (sad one though >_&lt Dirges have Rez Troubadors have Lower Hate over Time songs Dirges have Raise Hate songs Both have different resistsnace buffs and so on... We know that Troubadors are more defensively based and Dirges are more offesive I could go on reading off different class skills that make one another unique, but this one thing just bothers me in 2 ways. Why would they make a training skill everyone single Dirge should choose? That shows it use far beyond the level given and is becoming class defining. My other concern is that troubadors dont get anything like this. You would think a movement song would be a Bard defining skill, increasing your speed to the beats of a drum. Just something that interested me and wondered what others would think =D ty guys for your replys ~~~Bink the Halfling, Troubador~~~ __________________

02-15-2005, 01:57 PM	#9
Chou Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6	MiscreantPyro wrote: Crombie wrote:I realize this topic has been discussed before by many people, all wishing for bards to have the ability to run fast as in EQ1. When the training abilities came out, Dirges were granted this ability.The on thing that kind of irks me is that, why would any other dirge not choose this ability? (its a 26% speed boost that stacks with Pathfinding that is 14%. Making a 40% which is supposedly the speed of Sprint.)Why not just give a skill that does this instead of a training? There is basicly no better option when you can use this skill way past its recomended level. Why are Troubadors barred from any type of movement speed training abilities. It would be awesome if there was a Lost score of Selo's Music in which both classes can can use the movement speed. Its just odd to me that Dirges would get this, as a training no less that is basicly defining a certain point in their class while us Troubadors are blocked from it. I greatly enjoy playing my trouabor, but every class has its quirks. Any one have any feedback on this issue?~~~Bink the Halfling, Troubador~~~(Butcherblock) Run song is all us dirges have, if they gave it to troubs, dirges would be left with nothing unique, on top of the fact that they suck in every other way compared to troubs. Dirges - Offensive songs and debuffs to attack enemies withTroubs - Buffs for themselves and alliesThat said, it's more reasonable for an offensive type to get the more/most useful of beneficial buffs? Message Edited by Chouji on 02-15-2005 12:58 AM __________________ RIP Naruto Anime...2/15/05 - The day the sky fell...The day ShoPro Licensed Naruto. May ShoPro suffer an eternity of torment! - 50 Armorer of Mistmoore

02-15-2005, 02:30 PM	#11
Jzi Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 94	Chouji wrote: MiscreantPyro wrote: Crombie wrote: I realize this topic has been discussed before by many people, all wishing for bards to have the ability to run fast as in EQ1. When the training abilities came out, Dirges were granted this ability. The on thing that kind of irks me is that, why would any other dirge not choose this ability? (its a 26% speed boost that stacks with Pathfinding that is 14%. Making a 40% which is supposedly the speed of Sprint.) Why not just give a skill that does this instead of a training? There is basicly no better option when you can use this skill way past its recomended level. Why are Troubadors barred from any type of movement speed training abilities. It would be awesome if there was a Lost score of Selo's Music in which both classes can can use the movement speed. Its just odd to me that Dirges would get this, as a training no less that is basicly defining a certain point in their class while us Troubadors are blocked from it. I greatly enjoy playing my trouabor, but every class has its quirks. Any one have any feedback on this issue? ~~~Bink the Halfling, Troubador~~~ (Butcherblock) Run song is all us dirges have, if they gave it to troubs, dirges would be left with nothing unique, on top of the fact that they suck in every other way compared to troubs. Dirges - Offensive songs and debuffs to attack enemies with Troubs - Buffs for themselves and allies That said, it's more reasonable for an offensive type to get the more/most useful of beneficial buffs? Message Edited by Chouji on 02-15-2005 12:58 AM Dirges get several buffs, some with an "offensive" factor. Dirges only having debuffs is a big misconception. The run speed is attached to a dirge buff that gives stats and dps. So yes its reasonable for us to have. Wether its reasonable for Troubadours not to have a version of their own is different. Message Edited by Jziad on 02-15-2005 01:32 AM

02-11-2005, 07:53 AM	#3
bellring General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 37	when thay bring the horse nerf in that will be the same speed as a 9p horse 40% so dirges dont need to buy a horse

02-11-2005, 01:12 PM	#4
Alis Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 44	and with Jboots we are as fast as the 50pp carpet!

02-11-2005, 05:50 PM	#5
Jzi Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 94	I still worry about a change to the stacking of this song to be honest.However I don't see why troubs don't get a training that offers them a run speed buff, as long as its not better than the dirge one I don't care.Run speed shouldn't be a deciding factor in either sub-class, and if you think thats all a Dirge has to offer its quite sad.I play a Dirge, I'd rather such a skill was shared by both bard types rather than it being nerfed due to creating imbalance between the sub-classes. Message Edited by Jziad on 02-11-2005 04:56 AM

02-11-2005, 06:40 PM	#7
bellring General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 37	as a troub we was givening a stats buff then after that thay nerf the buff by downgrading the agi now thay having ago at strengh .it now make our freebe useless.i dont under stand why we could not have a running upgrade as pathing is a waste of time. only way im goint to match a dirge is a 9p horse or them running boots .horse would be easer to get if your have high crafting skills the running boots you cant wear till lvl 42. and both cant be used with grps.

02-12-2005, 01:04 PM	#8
KineticMu Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 31	I was under the impression when I selected my troubador that both classes (dirge/troub) got the run speed. Had I known before hand that a Troubador would not get increased run speed, I'd have gone dirge. I almost went dirge because they actually got a dual weild weapon instead of a 1hs.

02-15-2005, 02:26 PM	#10
Alis Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 44	Dirges get claras thats a great debuff in melee groups, I think its our main advantage. The disadvantage of the run speed buff is my alts are so slow, and the difference is painful!

02-15-2005, 11:19 PM	#12
Raj Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4	Run song is all us dirges have, if they gave it to troubs, dirges would be left with nothing unique, on top of the fact that they suck in every other way compared to troubs. Finiteryhthm-50 Dirge [Removed for Content], speak for your self man. I don't feel useless at all and I'm a 50 Dirge that did NOT choose run song. I do agree--though--that both troubs and dirges have the same run speed. Maybe instead of traits, SOE can individualize Pathfinding to each class. For example, bards get an upgrade to pathfinding at X level called Selo's blah blah, while Rangers get like Spirit of the... and so forth. --Kharter (50 Dirge, Innothule)