Well, I'll start things off here.

Naginata · 11-09-2004, 09:25 PM

Hello fellow most rare class in the game!

csjames · 11-10-2004, 12:49 AM

Well met. Nice to meet a fellow troubador-to-be ... I'll be beginning my adventure on Antonia Bayle today as Challin in Freeport. Looking forward to exploring this class and seeing just where it goes. I bet there will be some nice surprises.Challin Songrunner

Ybagi Edaso · 11-10-2004, 08:40 AM

Hey all,

I'm working on this one too SMILEY

Should be a blast

Jai · 11-10-2004, 01:48 PM

Yeah I am planning on becomming a Troubador but I wish I knew something about them SMILEY

I played a bard in EQ but I'm sure they are quite different in EQ2.

kaosgra · 11-10-2004, 04:28 PM

Add another to the list SMILEY

Aeluin of Tholuxe Paells, Lvl 8 Half-Elven Scout and Future Troubadour, Master Goblin Hunter of Lucan D'lere

Message Edited by kaosgrace on 11-10-2004 03:28 AM because I rerolled - AB is way too crowded!

Message Edited by kaosgrace on 11-10-2004 06:57 PM

Bladezil · 11-10-2004, 05:29 PM

Was a Dirge in beta and we got no love.. so I'm going Troubador. :robotvery-happy:

ShiningFantasia · 11-10-2004, 06:13 PM

Naginataka wrote:

Hello fellow most rare class in the game!

Are Troubadors less common than Dirges, or are Bards just rare in general?

I am currently leaning towards Troubador; luckily I do not have to make my final choice until level 20 :smileyvery-happy:

Tannier · 11-10-2004, 09:24 PM

On the troubador path myself.

I always viewed my bard as the one that makes a group perform at it's best, so it's an easy choice for me.

I find more similarities between the Archetypes/class/sub-class sets in EQ2 when compared to the EQ Online Adventures for PS2. More similar in fact than they seem to be with EQ1. My wife and I have played both of those games to the point of making our ears bleed, with lots of focus on bards. So for us it's an interesting thing to see all three sets.

In Brief... in EQOA, you started off as a class, so say bard. You leveld up and you earned alternate points, similar to AA points in EQ1. You could spend those on various abilities that upped stats, gave certain abilities, etc. When you collected the right sets of those abilities, you can then use points to buy your final or prestiege class such as Minstrel or Bravo (their versions of Troubador and Dirge), with one focusing on general buffs and power regen and one focusing on combat specific buffs. There were quest choices you made at 10, 20, 30, 40 that defiend your bard along the power or combat path. Made for extra flavor in our opinion.

The "EQ Evolution of the Bard" would be a study worth reading heh. We kind of view bards as the only truly unique class in EQ1, since it followed it's own rules and method of how magic worked. It's a little dissappointing to lose the uniqueness of how bardic magic works in EQ2 but getting away from wrist-crunching twisting was a necessary thing.

Naginata · 11-11-2004, 05:24 AM

ShiningFantasia wrote:
Naginataka wrote:
Hello fellow most rare class in the game!

Are Troubadors less common than Dirges, or are Bards just rare in general?

I am currently leaning towards Troubador; luckily I do not have to make my final choice until level 20 :smileyvery-happy:

BOTH!Super rare, but somehow I was in a group with 2 last night.

Fizz · 11-11-2004, 10:36 AM

On my way to becoming a Sexy Gnome Troubador. Currently level 6, crushbone server.

Helic · 11-11-2004, 04:54 PM

Well another future Troubadour sign in .. (swe)

Helicon - Kerra on the runnyeye server .. living at the Inn in Stonecourt Bay - Freeport

See you out there ...

Lasar · 11-12-2004, 12:09 AM

This is what I am thinking also. Still too early to tell.

Bared · 11-12-2004, 12:23 AM

Naginataka wrote:
ShiningFantasia wrote:
Naginataka wrote:
Hello fellow most rare class in the game!

Are Troubadors less common than Dirges, or are Bards just rare in general?

I am currently leaning towards Troubador; luckily I do not have to make my final choice until level 20 :smileyvery-happy:
BOTH!Super rare, but somehow I was in a group with 2 last night.

Dont suppose you play on Antonia(RP) do you? And perhaps were in BB last night? SMILEY

Aillaw · 11-12-2004, 01:49 AM

Bladezilla wrote:

Was a Dirge in beta and we got no love.. so I'm going Troubador. :robotvery-happy:

I haven't decided which ill go and have 9 more levels to decide. Did you find that Troubadors were more wanted than Dirge?

Truso · 11-12-2004, 04:53 AM

Looking to join the Troubador trade as well, currently a scout of 7 seasons. Look forward to learning from one another.Grace & Peace,TrusongGreat Cat scoutAB

LadyShylah · 11-12-2004, 10:28 AM

I guess I will add my name to the list :smileyhappy: I'm going troubador as well.

Like many of you, I'm not quite sure what it all entails, but it sounds fun. I never played EQ1, I'm really liking EQ2.

Shylah

lvl 8, kerra scout

Butcherblock Server

Naginata · 11-13-2004, 01:52 AM

Baredok wrote:

Naginataka wrote:

ShiningFantasia wrote:

Naginataka wrote:

Hello fellow most rare class in the game!

Are Troubadors less common than Dirges, or are Bards just rare in general?

I am currently leaning towards Troubador; luckily I do not have to make my final choice until level 20 :smileyvery-happy:

BOTH!

Super rare, but somehow I was in a group with 2 last night.

Dont suppose you play on Antonia(RP) do you? And perhaps were in BB last night?

No. Troll bard on Crushbone.

Going to hit 17 soon and start betrayal. Got to live with my food in dorftown!

Cys · 11-13-2004, 02:26 AM

haha! a troll bard! :smileyvery-happy:

Hello all, I am Bennen, Bard of Antonia Bayle, at your service! I aspire to the ways of the Troubador. If anyone is on AB please drop me a line, I'd love to chat or help you out as I could, especially if there is a slice of pie or a tasty beverage in it for me! Hope to see you around!

/wave

Trobon the Oran · 11-14-2004, 09:23 AM

Hey all... Scout here considering Troubador...

Bladezil · 11-15-2004, 07:26 AM

The main differences between troubador and dirges are minor.

Dirges have a non-combat rez, use disease damage and their siphon spells restore their hps. Troubadors can mez, use mental damage and their siphon spells restore their power.

There are other differences but these are the big ones. Also Dirges at lvl 40 have illusion: Dark Elves while Troubadors have illusion: High Elf.

Troubadors get a health regen song and "I think" (but definitely not sure) Dirges dmg songs might be a bit more powerful.. making them more offensive.

It all comes down to personal preference.. I chose Troubador because of mez to be honest. Troubadors get their potent mez at level 50 though.. so keep that in mind. We get a charm type spell at like level 26 (didn't check exact level yet so don't quote me) which probably acts like a mez though.

Valcutio, Najena Server, Officer of Lost Souls, Legend.. in his own mind.

Treewhisp · 11-15-2004, 03:48 PM

Hello, halfling troubadour here SMILEY

Got level 20 yesterday and boy was i anxious to test out theentertainment spell called Rousing Celebration, which is supposedto play a song of celebration and make your group dance in joy.Ran all the way to North Qeynos to buy it and as soon as i got into a group the first thing i did was try to use it.....Boy was I disappointed SMILEY

First thing i get is "No eligible target",ok, so I think maybe I should just target a group member, and so I do.I click the song, and not one single piece of music comes out, no guitar.Nothing!And to add to that I only made my target dance, not the whole group.Also, the only effect it gave was a firework coming from the ground undermy target that is now dancing.Hmm, I wanted a little string of guitar play or something like that.....Anyways I am so far enjoying it to be a troubadour and I am really lookingforward to getting the charm at level 21 and the evacuation skill at 25, will be a nice addition to group play.Okay back to playing Bria's Stirring Ballad to get music while i makesomeone dance.Take care fellow Troubadours!

Ragnarok · 11-15-2004, 07:08 PM

Treewhisper wrote:
Hello, halfling troubadour here
Got level 20 yesterday and boy was i anxious to test out the
entertainment spell called Rousing Celebration, which is supposed
to play a song of celebration and make your group dance in joy.
Ran all the way to North Qeynos to buy it and as soon as i got in
to a group the first thing i did was try to use it.
..
..
Boy was I disappointed First thing i get is "No eligible target",
ok, so I think maybe I should just target a group member, and so I do.
I click the song, and not one single piece of music comes out, no guitar.
Nothing!
And to add to that I only made my target dance, not the whole group.
Also, the only effect it gave was a firework coming from the ground under
my target that is now dancing.
Hmm, I wanted a little string of guitar play or something like that.

Got 20 today, and I feel your pain SMILEY

That song is pretty disappointing, nothing fancy about making someone dance when there's no music or anything at all...

Treewhisp · 11-16-2004, 03:56 AM

'lo Ramac

This be Bregador SMILEY

Talk to you in game tomorrow perhops.Hugs

Ladro209 · 11-16-2004, 05:19 AM

Add me to the list. I will be a Troubador as soon as I can find this "meeting" in South Qeynos for the Troubador quest. I am hoping that server instability last night was the reason I was having so much trouble finding it.Yerkich19 (soon to be Troubador) BardPermafrost Server

Cys · 11-16-2004, 07:16 AM

Treewhisper wrote:
Hello, halfling troubadour here
Got level 20 yesterday and boy was i anxious to test out the
entertainment spell called Rousing Celebration, which is supposed
to play a song of celebration and make your group dance in joy.
Ran all the way to North Qeynos to buy it ...

Where do you buy it at? hehe at least now I know it is in North Qeynos.

Bladezil · 11-16-2004, 08:08 AM

You think that's bad? Dirges only get to make people cry. In beta it was horrible.. I would run over to someone (you didnt have to be grouped with them) and make them cry.

It was the most boring animation.. ever.

- Valcutio / Bladezilla - King of Najena, Voted Sexiest Troubador Ever, Legend and Hero of the people.

Ladro209 · 11-16-2004, 09:27 PM

Was going to start a thread, but I'll just chime in here. Hello from the latest Troubador (as far as I can tell) on Permafrost. Happy to be one of you and look forward to progressing my Human Troubador through the game.YerkichTroubadorPermafrost

Mudpup · 11-19-2004, 11:26 AM

Well met fellow entertainers. SMILEY

I'm a level 16 bard, leaning heavily towards Troubador at the moment. I'd love to know where some of you have gotten the lists of upcoming spells and abilities that the bard subclasses have .. it sure would make choosing which I want to be a heck of a lot easier. Every level for me is a surprise .. I have no idea what types of upgrades I'm getting. Lol! It's a bit hard to make a subclass decision without truly understanding the consequences, so any info you have would be greatly appreciated. I will in turn, promise to share pie and ale as a hearfelt "thank you"!

/gracious nod

Rakell Ravensong

Bard of Oasis

[edit: Just found this link perusing these very forums!! /blush! http://www.thescoutssanctuary.com/. That certainly helps!! At any rate, I think I will still go down the Troubador path, so another /wave to you all! /passes out the pie and ale ...]

Message Edited by Mudpup on 11-18-2004 10:35 PM

Mudpup · 11-19-2004, 11:27 AM

Oops! my apologies for the noobish double post! :smileysurprised:

Message Edited by Mudpup on 11-18-2004 10:28 PM

Citrine_Templ · 11-20-2004, 04:48 AM

Half-Elf Troubador in Qeynos on Steamfont here. Gonna do the lvl 20 sub-class quest tonight YAY.

Topaz 20 Troubador

Agate 20 Fury

Citrine 6 Templar to be

11-09-2004, 09:25 PM	#1
Naginata General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 59	Hello fellow most rare class in the game! __________________ I INVENTED THE HORSE!

11-10-2004, 08:40 AM	#3
Ybagi Edaso Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1	Hey all, I'm working on this one too Should be a blast __________________ Ybagi Oasis server Scout extrordinaire Future Troubadour

11-10-2004, 01:48 PM	#4
Jai Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 19	Yeah I am planning on becomming a Troubador but I wish I knew something about them I played a bard in EQ but I'm sure they are quite different in EQ2.

11-10-2004, 04:28 PM	#5
kaosgra Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4	Add another to the list Aeluin of Tholuxe Paells, Lvl 8 Half-Elven Scout and Future Troubadour, Master Goblin Hunter of Lucan D'lere Message Edited by kaosgrace on 11-10-2004 03:28 AM because I rerolled - AB is way too crowded! Message Edited by kaosgrace on 11-10-2004 06:57 PM

11-10-2004, 05:29 PM	#6
Bladezil General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 131	Was a Dirge in beta and we got no love.. so I'm going Troubador. :robotvery-happy: __________________

11-10-2004, 12:49 AM	#2
csjames Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2	Well met. Nice to meet a fellow troubador-to-be ... I'll be beginning my adventure on Antonia Bayle today as Challin in Freeport. Looking forward to exploring this class and seeing just where it goes. I bet there will be some nice surprises.Challin Songrunner

11-10-2004, 06:13 PM	#7
ShiningFantasia Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 13	Naginataka wrote: Hello fellow most rare class in the game! Are Troubadors less common than Dirges, or are Bards just rare in general? I am currently leaning towards Troubador; luckily I do not have to make my final choice until level 20 :smileyvery-happy:

11-10-2004, 09:24 PM	#8
Tannier Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 13	On the troubador path myself. I always viewed my bard as the one that makes a group perform at it's best, so it's an easy choice for me. I find more similarities between the Archetypes/class/sub-class sets in EQ2 when compared to the EQ Online Adventures for PS2. More similar in fact than they seem to be with EQ1. My wife and I have played both of those games to the point of making our ears bleed, with lots of focus on bards. So for us it's an interesting thing to see all three sets. In Brief... in EQOA, you started off as a class, so say bard. You leveld up and you earned alternate points, similar to AA points in EQ1. You could spend those on various abilities that upped stats, gave certain abilities, etc. When you collected the right sets of those abilities, you can then use points to buy your final or prestiege class such as Minstrel or Bravo (their versions of Troubador and Dirge), with one focusing on general buffs and power regen and one focusing on combat specific buffs. There were quest choices you made at 10, 20, 30, 40 that defiend your bard along the power or combat path. Made for extra flavor in our opinion. The "EQ Evolution of the Bard" would be a study worth reading heh. We kind of view bards as the only truly unique class in EQ1, since it followed it's own rules and method of how magic worked. It's a little dissappointing to lose the uniqueness of how bardic magic works in EQ2 but getting away from wrist-crunching twisting was a necessary thing.

11-11-2004, 05:24 AM	#9
Naginata General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 59	ShiningFantasia wrote: Naginataka wrote: Hello fellow most rare class in the game! Are Troubadors less common than Dirges, or are Bards just rare in general? I am currently leaning towards Troubador; luckily I do not have to make my final choice until level 20 :smileyvery-happy: BOTH!Super rare, but somehow I was in a group with 2 last night. __________________ I INVENTED THE HORSE!

11-11-2004, 10:36 AM	#10
Fizz Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2	On my way to becoming a Sexy Gnome Troubador. Currently level 6, crushbone server.

11-11-2004, 04:54 PM	#11
Helic Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1	Well another future Troubadour sign in .. (swe) Helicon - Kerra on the runnyeye server .. living at the Inn in Stonecourt Bay - Freeport See you out there ... __________________ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Min musik Ã¤r En dikt som en del mÃ¤nniskor mÃ¥ste lÃ¤ra sig att fÃ¶rstÃ¥ ...

11-12-2004, 12:09 AM	#12
Lasar Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 11	This is what I am thinking also. Still too early to tell. __________________ Have an EVIL DAY. Lasario Level 42 Dirge Freeport Based Level 16 Scholar

11-12-2004, 12:23 AM	#13
Bared General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1	Naginataka wrote: ShiningFantasia wrote: Naginataka wrote: Hello fellow most rare class in the game! Are Troubadors less common than Dirges, or are Bards just rare in general? I am currently leaning towards Troubador; luckily I do not have to make my final choice until level 20 :smileyvery-happy: BOTH!Super rare, but somehow I was in a group with 2 last night. Dont suppose you play on Antonia(RP) do you? And perhaps were in BB last night?

11-12-2004, 01:49 AM	#14
Aillaw Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 9	Bladezilla wrote: Was a Dirge in beta and we got no love.. so I'm going Troubador. :robotvery-happy: I haven't decided which ill go and have 9 more levels to decide. Did you find that Troubadors were more wanted than Dirge?

11-12-2004, 04:53 AM	#15
Truso Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1	Looking to join the Troubador trade as well, currently a scout of 7 seasons. Look forward to learning from one another.Grace & Peace,TrusongGreat Cat scoutAB

11-12-2004, 10:28 AM	#16
LadyShylah Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 77	I guess I will add my name to the list :smileyhappy: I'm going troubador as well. Like many of you, I'm not quite sure what it all entails, but it sounds fun. I never played EQ1, I'm really liking EQ2. Shylah lvl 8, kerra scout Butcherblock Server __________________

11-13-2004, 01:52 AM	#17
Naginata General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 59	Baredok wrote: Naginataka wrote: ShiningFantasia wrote: Naginataka wrote: Hello fellow most rare class in the game! Are Troubadors less common than Dirges, or are Bards just rare in general? I am currently leaning towards Troubador; luckily I do not have to make my final choice until level 20 :smileyvery-happy: BOTH! Super rare, but somehow I was in a group with 2 last night. Dont suppose you play on Antonia(RP) do you? And perhaps were in BB last night? No. Troll bard on Crushbone. Going to hit 17 soon and start betrayal. Got to live with my food in dorftown! __________________ I INVENTED THE HORSE!

11-13-2004, 02:26 AM	#18
Cys Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 8	haha! a troll bard! :smileyvery-happy: Hello all, I am Bennen, Bard of Antonia Bayle, at your service! I aspire to the ways of the Troubador. If anyone is on AB please drop me a line, I'd love to chat or help you out as I could, especially if there is a slice of pie or a tasty beverage in it for me! Hope to see you around! /wave __________________ _________________ Bennen the Bard Antonia Bayle Server

11-14-2004, 09:23 AM	#19
Trobon the Oran General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 13	Hey all... Scout here considering Troubador...

11-15-2004, 07:26 AM	#20
Bladezil General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 131	The main differences between troubador and dirges are minor. Dirges have a non-combat rez, use disease damage and their siphon spells restore their hps. Troubadors can mez, use mental damage and their siphon spells restore their power. There are other differences but these are the big ones. Also Dirges at lvl 40 have illusion: Dark Elves while Troubadors have illusion: High Elf. Troubadors get a health regen song and "I think" (but definitely not sure) Dirges dmg songs might be a bit more powerful.. making them more offensive. It all comes down to personal preference.. I chose Troubador because of mez to be honest. Troubadors get their potent mez at level 50 though.. so keep that in mind. We get a charm type spell at like level 26 (didn't check exact level yet so don't quote me) which probably acts like a mez though. Valcutio, Najena Server, Officer of Lost Souls, Legend.. in his own mind. __________________

11-15-2004, 03:48 PM	#21
Treewhisp Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 10	Hello, halfling troubadour here Got level 20 yesterday and boy was i anxious to test out theentertainment spell called Rousing Celebration, which is supposedto play a song of celebration and make your group dance in joy.Ran all the way to North Qeynos to buy it and as soon as i got into a group the first thing i did was try to use it.....Boy was I disappointed First thing i get is "No eligible target",ok, so I think maybe I should just target a group member, and so I do.I click the song, and not one single piece of music comes out, no guitar.Nothing!And to add to that I only made my target dance, not the whole group.Also, the only effect it gave was a firework coming from the ground undermy target that is now dancing.Hmm, I wanted a little string of guitar play or something like that.....Anyways I am so far enjoying it to be a troubadour and I am really lookingforward to getting the charm at level 21 and the evacuation skill at 25, will be a nice addition to group play.Okay back to playing Bria's Stirring Ballad to get music while i makesomeone dance.Take care fellow Troubadours! __________________

11-15-2004, 07:08 PM	#22
Ragnarok Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 40	Treewhisper wrote: Hello, halfling troubadour here Got level 20 yesterday and boy was i anxious to test out the entertainment spell called Rousing Celebration, which is supposed to play a song of celebration and make your group dance in joy. Ran all the way to North Qeynos to buy it and as soon as i got in to a group the first thing i did was try to use it. .. .. Boy was I disappointed First thing i get is "No eligible target", ok, so I think maybe I should just target a group member, and so I do. I click the song, and not one single piece of music comes out, no guitar. Nothing! And to add to that I only made my target dance, not the whole group. Also, the only effect it gave was a firework coming from the ground under my target that is now dancing. Hmm, I wanted a little string of guitar play or something like that. Got 20 today, and I feel your pain That song is pretty disappointing, nothing fancy about making someone dance when there's no music or anything at all... __________________

11-16-2004, 03:56 AM	#23
Treewhisp Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 10	'lo Ramac This be Bregador Talk to you in game tomorrow perhops.Hugs __________________

11-16-2004, 05:19 AM	#24
Ladro209 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 90	Add me to the list. I will be a Troubador as soon as I can find this "meeting" in South Qeynos for the Troubador quest. I am hoping that server instability last night was the reason I was having so much trouble finding it.Yerkich19 (soon to be Troubador) BardPermafrost Server __________________

11-16-2004, 07:16 AM	#25
Cys Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 8	Treewhisper wrote: Hello, halfling troubadour here Got level 20 yesterday and boy was i anxious to test out the entertainment spell called Rousing Celebration, which is supposed to play a song of celebration and make your group dance in joy. Ran all the way to North Qeynos to buy it ... Where do you buy it at? hehe at least now I know it is in North Qeynos. __________________ _________________ Bennen the Bard Antonia Bayle Server

11-16-2004, 08:08 AM	#26
Bladezil General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 131	You think that's bad? Dirges only get to make people cry. In beta it was horrible.. I would run over to someone (you didnt have to be grouped with them) and make them cry. It was the most boring animation.. ever. - Valcutio / Bladezilla - King of Najena, Voted Sexiest Troubador Ever, Legend and Hero of the people. __________________

11-16-2004, 09:27 PM	#27
Ladro209 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 90	Was going to start a thread, but I'll just chime in here. Hello from the latest Troubador (as far as I can tell) on Permafrost. Happy to be one of you and look forward to progressing my Human Troubador through the game.YerkichTroubadorPermafrost __________________

11-19-2004, 11:26 AM	#28
Mudpup Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 12	Well met fellow entertainers. I'm a level 16 bard, leaning heavily towards Troubador at the moment. I'd love to know where some of you have gotten the lists of upcoming spells and abilities that the bard subclasses have .. it sure would make choosing which I want to be a heck of a lot easier. Every level for me is a surprise .. I have no idea what types of upgrades I'm getting. Lol! It's a bit hard to make a subclass decision without truly understanding the consequences, so any info you have would be greatly appreciated. I will in turn, promise to share pie and ale as a hearfelt "thank you"! /gracious nod Rakell Ravensong Bard of Oasis [edit: Just found this link perusing these very forums!! /blush! http://www.thescoutssanctuary.com/. That certainly helps!! At any rate, I think I will still go down the Troubador path, so another /wave to you all! /passes out the pie and ale ...] Message Edited by Mudpup on 11-18-2004 10:35 PM

11-19-2004, 11:27 AM	#29
Mudpup Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 12	Oops! my apologies for the noobish double post! :smileysurprised: Message Edited by Mudpup on 11-18-2004 10:28 PM

11-20-2004, 04:48 AM	#30
Citrine_Templ General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3	Half-Elf Troubador in Qeynos on Steamfont here. Gonna do the lvl 20 sub-class quest tonight YAY. Topaz 20 Troubador Agate 20 Fury Citrine 6 Templar to be