Test Results

DarkMirrax · 12-12-2006, 06:37 PM

Proc Results of Amazing Reflexes

Version AD3 , 0 points in the AA

ok so killed a few trash mobs (was taking it easy to get as many cas to proc as i could)

Fight 1 :-

ca
ca
ca
ca
ca
ca
ca
ca
proc
ca
proc

Fight 2

ca
ca
ca
ca
ca
ca
ca
ca

Fight 3

ca
ca
ca
ca
ca
ca
ca
ca
ca
ca
ca

Fight 4

ca
proc
ca
ca
ca
ca
ca
ca

Fight 5

ca
ca
ca
ca
proc
ca
ca
ca
ca
ca
ca

Fight 6

ca
ca
ca
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Fight 7

ca
ca
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ca
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ca
ca
ca

so in 65 Landed CA attacks 6 procs so 6 out of 65 = 25% then ? my maths isnt the best but i dont think that adds up , jared what enviorment were you using yours ? are you certain it has a chance to proc off ANY CA and there arnt bugs with some CA's ? or depending on CA quality or is it a stright up 25 % chance ? cos the numbers im seeing dont match what your seeing and im trying to find the diparity.

So at this point i was about to give up but thought what the hell one more try with 3 points in the AA and guess what :-

Ca

Proc

Ca

Proc

Ca

Proc

so yea its procing like it should CLEARLY /Shrug NOT

/Will try another run after work to see how it performs in a group enviorment with say 10 encounters , would love for you guys to submit a few of your own findings to see if someone somewhere is managing to get this working better ? maybe a different chain of CA's ? anything ? granted i didnt do to much as i was actaully raiding an was hard pushed counting and writing the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] results down so left it after that many i have so if anyone else would like to add there own :-

Regards Dark

FuzzBall · 12-13-2006, 03:18 PM

Ill go smack on one of the 25 epic x4s and see what I get as well. I have it as A3 with 5 AAs so its sitting at 35%. I should get a proc every third CA. I know 100% that I can cover a raid with 3 CAs every 5 seconds and should be able to keep AR (cough, rename it to SR) up but I was getting AEd in Emerald Halls.

Soul_Dreamer · 12-13-2006, 06:47 PM

As well as what mobs he tested it on it would be nice to know "WHERE" he tested it...
In beta all KoS content (I ran through most raids and zones) was normalised to the new combat system, When EoF went Live on the live servers alot of this content was Fubared...
Maybe they missed something out but if they can't make Live identical to Beta when testing finishes whats the point in us testing it...

My point is maybe something with AR didn't come accross from Beta to Live, if Jared is testing on a different setup to the live version this may be the problem.

Even though I would love old AR back or a reversal in the Proc(25% to drop AR for 5 secs on a combat art) it isn't going to happen. I would settle for a longer duration, maybe 10 seconds instead of the 5 it is now, just something, anything to make it useful again..

I need to test it with the AA's though, if it is that number of procs with it then I may have to go for that AA Ability.

Doing AoA x4 on friday for the first time since EoF, I have no clue how I'm going to handle Talendor now SMILEY .
I have to keep up..
Rake, Devitalise, Traumatic Swipe and the 30% range reduction...
The 30% reduction is really sweet, I have already Macro'ed it so that people know they can come in closer. Keeping the healers in range instead of jousting will be really nice SMILEY
If I can't keep it up though I know which way the blame for the wipe is coming SMILEY

If only we had a AOE immunity ability that we could control... SMILEY

exacutionarhead · 12-13-2006, 06:58 PM

I have all the aas in the ar that i could. i can still run threw a hole bunch of my cas till they are greyed out in raids and still not have the ar proc with adept 3. So im not thinking something is right cuse i have read on the forums that a dev said that if you hold back all your cas till you think you need it till you know an ae is comming then spam your ca well even if you spam it when you want it and nothing then you get bam dead from ae. so its not predictable. its still hard to judge when you get it off then at otther times i can get it to proc the hole fight its all depending how it goes. if your luckly you can have it up a lot if not then you are ganna get smacked. and if you get stuned before you can get ar off before a dmg ae then you compleatly toasted. so to be honust if you cant resist a stun then get ar off beefore they do an imdeate ae wich some of these mobs do then theres no telling when to go. but thats just my three cents.

Airies/Exacutionar

ag · 12-13-2006, 07:22 PM

I won't be doing any tests until there's a proc message, emote, or something else logged that is quantifiable.Lockeye's post does not contain enough information, imo, to be called "testing".What did he do? One encounter? Did he run up to a heroic mob, chain 8 combat arts, see two procs, and declare it good? Was it on blue heroics? orange epics? Grey solo mobs? What zone, what encounter, for how long, what's the sample size, what's the standard deviation of time between procs? What's the minimum time between procs of a sample size of more than 100 procs? What's the mean, median, and mode of time between procs of a sample size of more than 100 procs? What's the maximum time between procs of a sample size of more than 100 procs? Oh, that's right, we can't do that type of detailed analysis, because there's no log message. Was he, at any time, under the effect of any achievements, or abilities from other classes that affect proc rate? Was he behind the mob? Was he in a group? Was he in Offensive Stance, No stance, defensive stance? What's his piercing skill? Slashing skill? Treasured, Legendary, or Fabled Weapons? Equipment? Combat Arts as Adept1's, Adept3's, Master1's? None of the above information was provided. Maybe he's able to peruse the server side logs, but unfortunately, we can't. And if the so-called "analysis" was done without server side logs, then it's just feelings and impressions. He didn't say how it was done or with what data, or anything more than an offhand remark.Sorry, without numbers to back it up, (and I'm talking parsing large volumes of raw logs here, not just one 20 second parse) I will not believe one persons "feeling" or "impression".I applaud the community effort here, it's valuable and constructive; it's just too much of a PITA for me when I'm supposed to be raiding or killing stuff, to be looking for a tiny orange icon that disappears so fast I barely notice it.

Deeds · 12-13-2006, 08:05 PM

To be fair to Lockeye, I too decided to test this out.

I have the master 1 version: 28% CA proc chance for 5 sec duration ( not 7 seconds like I see posted everywhere), no AAs in it.

I Went to Sinking Sands and went to the arena area and tested it out on the gray heroic giants and orcs there.

I dropped all my buffs and stances and just kept AR on.

Out of 100 CAs it Proced 22 times.

So 22% on just that one run for me, is pretty close to the description percantage.

One major factor is that these were gray mobs so i did not miss a single CA. On Orange epic mobs I am sure the proc percentage drops significantly since you will miss more often.

I will do more testing.

tehh4x · 12-13-2006, 08:36 PM

on orange mobs in EH i dont think it ever procced except maybe 1/100 CAs...

MilkToa · 12-13-2006, 10:05 PM

I did Deathtoll last night with an AR that had a 41% proc rate and I was still getting hit frequently by AEs (those eyes are real annoying). My completely unscientific, seat-of-the-pants estimate is that I avoided around 50% to 60% of the AEs. Unfortunately, which AEs I avoided was basically random.

There's no [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] way you can avoid an AE with any certainty using the skill as currently implemented. I'm really trying to make it work but it's just a steaming pile of horse [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].

Turb · 12-13-2006, 10:16 PM

Hmm, I wonder if it's not all CAs, but only certain CAs it can proc off? Time to do some testing, but I'm certainly not seeing 25% (Adept III) against even con mobs.What's the 30% range reducer? I'm not into my brig-specific AAs yet... gotta get TRaumatic Swipe first in the hope there will be less AOE's to dodge SMILEY

Soul_Dreamer · 12-13-2006, 10:21 PM

It's the final ability on the ummmm.... can't remember name, sorry at work SMILEY

. I know it's the far right hand line though, it just adds a range reduction onto one of your CA's.

I'll do some testing on AR tonight, I really doubt it's working as intended though SMILEY

.

Kegofbud · 12-13-2006, 10:31 PM

Mailicious Assault is the 30% range decrease AA final you are thinking of.

Fun fact: Tenure increases the duration of AR by a whole .7 seconds as well...lol. Having a Dirge in group with Luck increases your proc percentage from 35% to 41% (Adept 3) as people above said, but still you could never trust the proc on CD or a Talendor. If it's not guaranteed that the skill is going off in 3-4 CAs, then it's junk. It is not reliable to have it "average" that amount. I ahve seen it go 8-9 to proc plenty of times. Orange cons...forget it.

12-12-2006, 06:37 PM	#1
DarkMirrax Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 1,238	Proc Results of Amazing Reflexes Version AD3 , 0 points in the AA ok so killed a few trash mobs (was taking it easy to get as many cas to proc as i could) Fight 1 :- ca ca ca ca ca ca ca ca proc ca proc Fight 2 ca ca ca ca ca ca ca ca Fight 3 ca ca ca ca ca ca ca ca ca ca ca Fight 4 ca proc ca ca ca ca ca ca Fight 5 ca ca ca ca proc ca ca ca ca ca ca Fight 6 ca ca ca ca ca proc ca ca Fight 7 ca ca ca ca ca proc ca ca ca so in 65 Landed CA attacks 6 procs so 6 out of 65 = 25% then ? my maths isnt the best but i dont think that adds up , jared what enviorment were you using yours ? are you certain it has a chance to proc off ANY CA and there arnt bugs with some CA's ? or depending on CA quality or is it a stright up 25 % chance ? cos the numbers im seeing dont match what your seeing and im trying to find the diparity. So at this point i was about to give up but thought what the hell one more try with 3 points in the AA and guess what :- Ca Proc Proc Ca Proc Proc Ca Proc so yea its procing like it should CLEARLY /Shrug NOT /Will try another run after work to see how it performs in a group enviorment with say 10 encounters , would love for you guys to submit a few of your own findings to see if someone somewhere is managing to get this working better ? maybe a different chain of CA's ? anything ? granted i didnt do to much as i was actaully raiding an was hard pushed counting and writing the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] results down so left it after that many i have so if anyone else would like to add there own :- Regards Dark __________________ Q - Named and epics get + to hit which makes avoidance tanking suck. A- Yes they do, and yes it does =========================== Steve Danuser, a.k.a. Moorgard Game Designer, EverQuest II ... Whats Amazing Reflexes ?? ....... ===========================

12-13-2006, 03:18 PM	#2
FuzzBall Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 127	Ill go smack on one of the 25 epic x4s and see what I get as well. I have it as A3 with 5 AAs so its sitting at 35%. I should get a proc every third CA. I know 100% that I can cover a raid with 3 CAs every 5 seconds and should be able to keep AR (cough, rename it to SR) up but I was getting AEd in Emerald Halls. __________________

12-13-2006, 06:47 PM	#3
Soul_Dreamer Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London UK Posts: 537	As well as what mobs he tested it on it would be nice to know "WHERE" he tested it... In beta all KoS content (I ran through most raids and zones) was normalised to the new combat system, When EoF went Live on the live servers alot of this content was Fubared... Maybe they missed something out but if they can't make Live identical to Beta when testing finishes whats the point in us testing it... My point is maybe something with AR didn't come accross from Beta to Live, if Jared is testing on a different setup to the live version this may be the problem. Even though I would love old AR back or a reversal in the Proc(25% to drop AR for 5 secs on a combat art) it isn't going to happen. I would settle for a longer duration, maybe 10 seconds instead of the 5 it is now, just something, anything to make it useful again.. I need to test it with the AA's though, if it is that number of procs with it then I may have to go for that AA Ability. Doing AoA x4 on friday for the first time since EoF, I have no clue how I'm going to handle Talendor now . I have to keep up.. Rake, Devitalise, Traumatic Swipe and the 30% range reduction... The 30% reduction is really sweet, I have already Macro'ed it so that people know they can come in closer. Keeping the healers in range instead of jousting will be really nice If I can't keep it up though I know which way the blame for the wipe is coming If only we had a AOE immunity ability that we could control... __________________ Lurtz Guardian - MT, Guild Lead and Raid Lead of KotWS Souldreamer Warlock Murukan Brigand Knights of the White Shield - Splitpaw

12-13-2006, 07:22 PM	#5
ag General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 851	I won't be doing any tests until there's a proc message, emote, or something else logged that is quantifiable.Lockeye's post does not contain enough information, imo, to be called "testing".What did he do? One encounter? Did he run up to a heroic mob, chain 8 combat arts, see two procs, and declare it good? Was it on blue heroics? orange epics? Grey solo mobs? What zone, what encounter, for how long, what's the sample size, what's the standard deviation of time between procs? What's the minimum time between procs of a sample size of more than 100 procs? What's the mean, median, and mode of time between procs of a sample size of more than 100 procs? What's the maximum time between procs of a sample size of more than 100 procs? Oh, that's right, we can't do that type of detailed analysis, because there's no log message. Was he, at any time, under the effect of any achievements, or abilities from other classes that affect proc rate? Was he behind the mob? Was he in a group? Was he in Offensive Stance, No stance, defensive stance? What's his piercing skill? Slashing skill? Treasured, Legendary, or Fabled Weapons? Equipment? Combat Arts as Adept1's, Adept3's, Master1's? None of the above information was provided. Maybe he's able to peruse the server side logs, but unfortunately, we can't. And if the so-called "analysis" was done without server side logs, then it's just feelings and impressions. He didn't say how it was done or with what data, or anything more than an offhand remark.Sorry, without numbers to back it up, (and I'm talking parsing large volumes of raw logs here, not just one 20 second parse) I will not believe one persons "feeling" or "impression".I applaud the community effort here, it's valuable and constructive; it's just too much of a PITA for me when I'm supposed to be raiding or killing stuff, to be looking for a tiny orange icon that disappears so fast I barely notice it. __________________ 70 Brigand, 70 Coercer, 60 Bruiser, 50 Inquisitor 70 Alchemist, 70 Armorer, 70 Carpenter, 70 Provisioner, 40 Jeweler, 350 Tinkerer

12-13-2006, 10:16 PM	#9
Turb General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,117	Hmm, I wonder if it's not all CAs, but only certain CAs it can proc off? Time to do some testing, but I'm certainly not seeing 25% (Adept III) against even con mobs.What's the 30% range reducer? I'm not into my brig-specific AAs yet... gotta get TRaumatic Swipe first in the hope there will be less AOE's to dodge __________________

12-13-2006, 06:58 PM	#4
exacutionarhead Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 40	I have all the aas in the ar that i could. i can still run threw a hole bunch of my cas till they are greyed out in raids and still not have the ar proc with adept 3. So im not thinking something is right cuse i have read on the forums that a dev said that if you hold back all your cas till you think you need it till you know an ae is comming then spam your ca well even if you spam it when you want it and nothing then you get bam dead from ae. so its not predictable. its still hard to judge when you get it off then at otther times i can get it to proc the hole fight its all depending how it goes. if your luckly you can have it up a lot if not then you are ganna get smacked. and if you get stuned before you can get ar off before a dmg ae then you compleatly toasted. so to be honust if you cant resist a stun then get ar off beefore they do an imdeate ae wich some of these mobs do then theres no telling when to go. but thats just my three cents. Airies/Exacutionar

12-13-2006, 08:05 PM	#6
Deeds Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 116	To be fair to Lockeye, I too decided to test this out. I have the master 1 version: 28% CA proc chance for 5 sec duration ( not 7 seconds like I see posted everywhere), no AAs in it. I Went to Sinking Sands and went to the arena area and tested it out on the gray heroic giants and orcs there. I dropped all my buffs and stances and just kept AR on. Out of 100 CAs it Proced 22 times. So 22% on just that one run for me, is pretty close to the description percantage. One major factor is that these were gray mobs so i did not miss a single CA. On Orange epic mobs I am sure the proc percentage drops significantly since you will miss more often. I will do more testing.

12-13-2006, 08:36 PM	#7
tehh4x Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 51	on orange mobs in EH i dont think it ever procced except maybe 1/100 CAs...

12-13-2006, 10:05 PM	#8
MilkToa General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 490	I did Deathtoll last night with an AR that had a 41% proc rate and I was still getting hit frequently by AEs (those eyes are real annoying). My completely unscientific, seat-of-the-pants estimate is that I avoided around 50% to 60% of the AEs. Unfortunately, which AEs I avoided was basically random. There's no [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] way you can avoid an AE with any certainty using the skill as currently implemented. I'm really trying to make it work but it's just a steaming pile of horse [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].

12-13-2006, 10:21 PM	#10
Soul_Dreamer Loremaster Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London UK Posts: 537	It's the final ability on the ummmm.... can't remember name, sorry at work . I know it's the far right hand line though, it just adds a range reduction onto one of your CA's. I'll do some testing on AR tonight, I really doubt it's working as intended though . __________________ Lurtz Guardian - MT, Guild Lead and Raid Lead of KotWS Souldreamer Warlock Murukan Brigand Knights of the White Shield - Splitpaw

12-13-2006, 10:31 PM	#11
Kegofbud Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 925	Mailicious Assault is the 30% range decrease AA final you are thinking of. Fun fact: Tenure increases the duration of AR by a whole .7 seconds as well...lol. Having a Dirge in group with Luck increases your proc percentage from 35% to 41% (Adept 3) as people above said, but still you could never trust the proc on CD or a Talendor. If it's not guaranteed that the skill is going off in 3-4 CAs, then it's junk. It is not reliable to have it "average" that amount. I ahve seen it go 8-9 to proc plenty of times. Orange cons...forget it. __________________ Choatly - 90 Defiler