Amazing Reflexes - the nerf is in...

[sobek_eq2]

 

From the test server update notes from November 2nd,

 

- Brigand: Deceit: Fixed DPS increase to Haste increase as mentioned in the examine text.
- Brigand: Amazing Reflexes: Changed ability so that AOE avoidance is a short duration percentage trigger from combat arts.

 

SOE has chosen the worst possible solution for reducing the power of AR. There are so many things they could have done to change it from a 'get of jail free' card to 'very useful', instead they choose almost useless.

 

Message Edited by sobek_eq2 on 11-02-2006 05:22 PM

[Deeds]

Nice, we just took it up the [Removed for Content] on that one, thanks SOE, woot!

 

Anyways, does it still have a agro increase associated with it?

 

If it does, then it is 100% useless, as oppsed to 99% useless.

 

 

[Rommie10-284]

The aggro increase is gone - it's just a percentage change to fire off of your combat arts.After testing tonight, it's firing in the 10-15 percent range.  I'd give you exact numbers, but it doesn't show in the chat text.But it shows consistently in trash mob fights.The question is *when* however.  AR is now a lottery - you'd hope to get it up for timed AE's, or run.  If you are against oranges, AR will be scarcer.  A random AE monster will be pure luck to dodge.  It'll take longer to get AR up, on average,than the 15 second duration, so you'll have the inital gap, plus others during a long fight.  (I'm sure Beta folks have timed raids when they can talk)It's a nerf - only have the shield up some of the time, randomly determined.  And you have to use your CA's - if there were reasons not to use them before.  If you are out of power, you are out of luck for AR.  Whee.

[DaLurk]

*sigh*Ok, now, I'm fed up.

[The-Fourm-Pirate]

If it won't reliably dodge AEs what the [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] is the point in having it? I will still need resist gear on so AR isn't saving me on that. If it was so awesome as a proc wouldn't people be using the queynos cutlass? Nope, because AE IMMUNITY AS AN UNRELIABLE PROC IS TOTALLY USELESS DEVS. Make it a short term buff, better yet remove it and give me somthing useful because I sure as hell am not going to be relying on it. They managed to take this skill and move it from the best ancient teaching skill in the game to the worst in the game, good job devs.

Message Edited by The-Fourm-Pirate on 11-02-2006 08:14 PM

[AratornCalahn]

if htey need to change it, there are plenty of ideas RIGHT HERE on this forum that are good and satisfy the conditions of reliability and requireing brigands to get resist gear (I assume thats the intent). But no, they change it to a worthless proc ?? /boggle

[InquisitorR]

I have not talked alot about AR, complained, or yelled at the idea of a nerf because everyone gets nerfs; in the hopes that the Dev's would not COMPLETELY [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] it up.  Make it a temp buff like Bards AA ability with a faster recast, make it a % damage reduction to AE's, make it ANYTHING BUT A PROC!  Its unreliable, we cant time it, thus making it worthless.  We are back to Tier5 status, yeehaw, might as well just take it away all together and give us another attack./sigh, cmon Devs...get clever, get a clue, dont [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] us.

[ThunderFunky]

Welcome to t3 / t4 dps

our sole purpose on raids now will be dispatch bots - we lose the skill that allows to achieve t2 dps.

Now IF amazing reflexes had to be removed which it effectively is, as it wont even warrant being on our spell bars as it stands, how can they not adjust the rest of our spells for a dps increase?

I mean surely there should be give and take....you take our best skill and replace with nothing

Jeez 13 days to build up on resist gear i guess....shame i passed on it all before so my guildies could get geared

Sony suck....

All because some [Removed for Content] guilds used 4+ brigands to kill the Matron , cheers for that and ruining my class

(a) reroll

(b) stick it out playing a crap nerfed dps debuff bot

(c) quit

time to make my mind up i think

was sooooo looking forward to EOF now i dont even care

Peace

[lungbutter]

So then ....whats the point? i play a brigand and raid about 5 days a week been gearing up for a while now never went anything resist specific wise as i HAD AR and passed on all the resist gear. Sony can you please provide me a contact who i can talk to about reimbursing me for wasting my time for the last 2 years? ill be lucky to ever raid again. Oh thats right you dont give a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing rats [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] about the customers, sorry i almost forgot.

 

Skina

Allure

Najena

[ThunderFunky]

Skina same here bro

I never actually thought Sony would treat Brigs this bad but then again we are a low population class , so basically its easier for them to force us out of existence

[exacutionarhead]

This Flares up my [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] you know. [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. we cant compeat with other classes dps peroid. but to be able to stay in and do a couple other to try to keep our dps up someware were we can compeat with the other classes. and now now we are just a class that is basicly pointless on raids cept for jousting in and out and maybe getting off one or two mit debuffs before haven to run your [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] out. thats bull[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] in its self. if we have to joust then give us more abilities like our non aoe risesnt brotherens the swashbuckler. there dps isnt that bad better then ours. and they arnt resistnent to aoes. this is a total slap in the face as a brigand. well now that i have posted how i felt good games all..

 

Airies

[ThunderFunky]

and swashies apparently get an AA line for group aoe immune on a 5 min recast lol lol lol

i would never wish ill will on our brethren class, as i dont call for anything like that

but jeez, sony truely have no idea at all

[Vampyr]

People that say this nerf won't lower our dps a lot is [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. Up until EoF we could focus on using gear that provided bonuses to our overall dps but soon we will have to drop damage proc gear and such for resist gear unless you are "playing it safe" by ranged autoattacking and waiting for AE to hit then rush in to dispatch+devitalize+rake and then run out again. I'll try it this way: Put on resist gear which will lower my overall dps by around 3-10% and spam CAs constantly and hope AR will trigger before the next AE. I can see it now, I'll die so many times the first time we do Chel'Drak after EoF... BAM!!! 25k poison/disease damage because AR didn't proc at the right moment.

[exacutionarhead]

In my opion sony just brought the brigands back to were they were in the first place. i can just about garentee there are ganna be a mass of brigands swaping over to be swashbucklers. and can you really blame hten. then you got less brigands on the servers. but then again. that was the problem in the first place why they started to make the brigand class a little bit more unquie and trying to drag more people over to the dark side if you would. so. this being said why change something that had a good thing. granted i could of dealt with haven ar with a more of a hate ratio on it. and still have it the way it is then compleatly have it as a proc. procs suck in my opion. the only time a proc is good thing is if it is a dps buff dmg or anything like that cuse they dont come up and say you have just smacked so and so with you proced ability you have to really watch for that stuff and thats not a good thing were you can get hit by a big aoe not cool at all. But as i said i can forsee a lot of brigands swaping over to be a swashbuckler eyes closed so to speak

[ThunderFunky]

People who say that this wont lower our dps have nfc about the class whatsoever, or the skills needed to be an effective brigand. They assume that we melee the mob , dispatch and afk.

 

Its not like that thankfully

 

Like i said before we will be t3-t4 dps now - they have killed the class in one swoop

 

they have done it with other classes which we all know about and now with us

 

 

[SinIsLaw]

Yeah, have to aggree that making it as a proc of an CA is bad!! if ur on the mob and use ur CA's it may proc to early and it's duration may run off just before the AE hit - So it is not really reliable at all anymore /sight gamble with the fire.Also if one would choose to stay outta AE range until AR procs and then rush in ... well GL on that, since we only have one ranged CA and its on a extreme long timer - way to go to have it proc! So it is pretty much doge AE like everyone else, and stay at home on pure range fights (like Talendor)Thanks all whiners for whining !!! Guess now when i sit out at raids, I can start spamming the bords asking for other classes to be nerfed as they'll have an egde on something in the game ... /sarcasm off  

[DarkMirrax]

Ahh well my dps is going to suck that bad so ill just sit out of AE's in the first place and just use my bow that will probably give me more dps than having to joust anyways :smileyvery-happy:

[Vampyr]

The Deceitfulness change sucks [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] too. Everyone knows dps modifiers are way better than haste modifiers. Now all we got is ruthless cunning which doesn't even exist as master 1. I liked doing 1500+ dps on pain/suffering in HoS

[Thepiper]

Well we still have a few days to collect Spongy's and swashy masters i know i have been since i heard of AR getting nerfed aswell as everything else in the class.  There's no way im gonna play a brig just to Debuff and have no chance of hitting the parser [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] THAT  im betraying to a Swashy as soon as i find out for Fact, Or i may just quit, im a bit sick of all the nerfing the GAME SUCKS ATM anyway no content and [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] all to do past lvl 70 apart from raiding the same old zones. 

[Deeds]

Why was Decitfulness even changed? uh, sorry I mean why was it "fixed"?  Did I miss something or someone complaining about this skill? 

And SOE, how about un-nerfing some of our skills that were nerfed in the previous patches.  Throw us a freakin bone here.

Message Edited by Deedbit on 11-03-2006 06:23 AM

[Goonch]

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Vampyrus wrote:
People that say this nerf won't lower our dps a lot is [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. Up until EoF we could focus on using gear that provided bonuses to our overall dps but soon we will have to drop damage proc gear and such for resist gear unless you are "playing it safe" by ranged autoattacking and waiting for AE to hit then rush in to dispatch+devitalize+rake and then run out again. I'll try it this way: Put on resist gear which will lower my overall dps by around 3-10% and spam CAs constantly and hope AR will trigger before the next AE.

I can see it now, I'll die so many times the first time we do Chel'Drak after EoF... BAM!!! 25k poison/disease damage because AR didn't proc at the right moment.

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I've never made a personal attack on these boards but this post made me come real close.  How long have you played a brigand?  Did you even raid T5?  There are 2 fights our dps will drop a bit on that are in game currently.  Chel'drak and Matron.  Our dps will be the same or close on all other current content.  I can't speak for the new content obv.  Do you see swashies getting one-shotted by chel'drak... mmmm no.... because all you need to do is to get 14+ meters behind him. 

 

And saying that dps mods are more important than haste mods just shows how much you know your class.

 

The good brigands will survive.  Go buy resist gear while its cheap.  I am by no means pleased by this change but something needed to happen, I just don't think it needed to be this extreme.  My beef from the get go has been that this is an ancient spell and should be "useful", and in my opinion the ability needs to be reliable, ie a short term buff, and not a % proc.  As a % proc it is useless to me and I won't rely on it. 

 

Any of you brigands on test want to verify the hate gain aspect of this spell and whether it still exists?   

[Goonch]

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ThunderFunky wrote:

People who say that this wont lower our dps have nfc about the class whatsoever, or the skills needed to be an effective brigand. They assume that we melee the mob , dispatch and afk.

 

Its not like that thankfully

 

Like i said before we will be t3-t4 dps now - they have killed the class in one swoop

 

they have done it with other classes which we all know about and now with us

 

 

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You're clueless.

[ThunderFunky]

Goonch thanks for the personal insult - always much appreciated from a fellow player and Brigand

For your information - i have played a brigand , raid wise since t5 - t6 - t7, i have been in guilds which have killed every contested from t5-t7 with most recently the Matron. So i think i can fcuking say that i know my class thank you very much

You can say whatever you like it doesnt change my mind or opinion that this was a totally unneccesary and BS change.

"Go buy resist gear while its cheap" - why should i ? - AR is not overpowered its our key ability.

The change was unnecessary

We were fine as a t2 dps / debuff class

If you dont think our dps will be decreased at all , you are truely a joke .

Also to add, there is no doubt in my mind that the main reason behind this change is there will be a return of some kind of wof aoe's on the majority of mobs in the expansion, thus they dont wanna have easy mode guilds trivialising this content rolling mobs over with 5 brigands in the raid

 

Message Edited by ThunderFunky on 11-03-2006 09:01 AM

[FuzzBall]

Its a useless art now.. It couldve been worse.... Procs 1% of the time from CAs when* In group with SK    - Where Death march is running* In group with anotehr Brig    - Thats in as much pain as you* In group with Ranger    - Thats laughing his [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] off that SoE took his advice and nered your sorry [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].Personally, I saw it coming so Im glad I managed to rub in the Vasaline before SoE f****** me dry.

[exacutionarhead]

Ok im lacking some information i hear fromo this post that the swashys get a group aoe resisent buff and what not i guess. my question would be what does the brigand aa lines look like maybe there is something hidden in htem that will a:help our dps b: help with ranged attacks or c: all the above? just trying to get some insight into why they made this besides the posiblitly of lacking aoe mobs.

airies

[FuzzBall]

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ThunderFunky wrote:

Welcome to t3 / t4 dps

Im there at the moment with my Warden

our sole purpose on raids now will be dispatch bots - we lose the skill that allows to achieve t2 dps.

Yup, nerfed batted DPS.... again

Now IF amazing reflexes had to be removed which it effectively is, as it wont even warrant being on our spell bars as it stands, how can they not adjust the rest of our spells for a dps increase?

No, far hard to do, that would require actual thought by Lockeye

I mean surely there should be give and take....you take our best skill and replace with nothing

SoE have shown theyre like a federal government, take what they want and couldbe care less about you

Jeez 13 days to build up on resist gear i guess....shame i passed on it all before so my guildies could get geared

Arent you happy that they gave you 13 days notice??

Sony suck....

/nod

All because some [Removed for Content] guilds used 4+ brigands to kill the Matron , cheers for that and ruining my class

Nice of SoE to take a single instance as proof that an entire class should be take from behind, both hands on sholders

(a) reroll

(b) stick it out playing a crap nerfed dps debuff bot

(c) quit

time to make my mind up i think

was sooooo looking forward to EOF now i dont even care

But I bet you preordered, so SoE have your cash, why the f*** should they care now?

[Goonch]

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ThunderFunky wrote:

If you dont think our dps will be decreased at all , you are truely a joke .

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Other than Matron or chel'drak fights where we will have to joust, tell me how?  

And I'm not trying to change anyones opinion, I'm just saying the sky isn't falling.  And believe me if I wanted to insult you I'd do a lot better than calling you clueless. 

/edit:  AR our key ability??  Please.. Dispatch and Devitalize and Rake define us.  Not the ability to joust an AE.

Message Edited by Goonch on 11-03-2006 10:12 AM

[ThunderFunky]

NDA is still active so cant say anything mch

apart from the answer about some help in our AA line is - No

[ThunderFunky]

Like i said at the bottom of my previous posting Gonch, the only reason for this change can be massive changes in AOEs come EOF else there would be no reason to screw brigands.

 

Personally i have next to no resist gear as i always pass on that gear for my guildies to have and equip their toons / resist gear

 

AR is our key ability in my mind, without it it will make debuffs harder to land

 

Are you really telling me u think we can get close to swashie dps with jousting given their burst dps let alone other classes

 

i take insults on the chin and ignore them so no big deal there

[Goonch]

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ThunderFunky wrote:

NDA is still active so cant say anything mch

apart from the answer about some help in our AA line is - No

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I said in my first post not directed to you that I was speaking from a current content standpoint.   And in regards to new content (even thogh I have no clue of what it is) unless there is a headhunting brig mob in every encounter, than the only mobs that we will have to joust is named mobs with one shotting capable AEs or mobs capable of perma stunning or stifiling if you are up close.  Everything else will be able to be healed through.  

Our DPS will probably be lower those fights, not denying it, but the other 95% of the content if our dps is lower than all melees dps will be lower on a particular encounter.