Walk the Plank: Not worth it in tier 7?

Grim0 · 05-18-2006, 09:38 PM

After searching extensively it seems that there are no useful dual wield rapier-type weapons available in tier 7. The best that I can find is the Dark Fury Sabre of Anuk, but requires a huge investment of time and cooperation for a raid party, and its damage rating is no better than crafted xegonite anyway.Speaking of xegonite, WHY THE HELL is the "rapier" the ONLY dual rapier-type weapon craftable in tier 7? Where did the sabre, foil, epee, etc go? And furthermore, WHY THE HELL does the rapier have +23 int on it instead of reasonable stats for a scout class?If there are any useful tier 7 dual-wield rapiers, someone please inform me, otherwise I'm going to have to give up using Walk the Plank and let those 4 AA points rot.

Shidonya · 05-18-2006, 09:50 PM

Is a rapier not a sword? Just curious cause even if I did go for walk the plank it would mean I couldn't use my str AA cause the rapier sends a message must have sword equipped.

Grim0 · 05-18-2006, 09:59 PM

Correct, rapiers are always piercing weapons and swords are always slashing weapons... there is no weapon that would fulfill the requirement of Torporous Strike and Walk the Plank at the same time.

Myrcul · 05-18-2006, 10:14 PM

Doomrage blade is noted as a rapier but does slashing. Maybe that one fulfils both? I don't know myself.

I'm a bit dissapointed with the selection of Rapier/Pokey weapons myself as I plan to use Agi/Wis lines together.

M

Crimson Dragon · 05-18-2006, 10:23 PM

Grim001 wrote:Correct, rapiers are always piercing weapons and swords are always slashing weapons... there is no weapon that would fulfill the requirement of Torporous Strike and Walk the Plank at the same time.

rapier that does slashing damagea rapier cannot be a sword and vice versa, as they are each weapons classifications and a given weapon can only be one. you can switch weapons every 2 seconds in combat, so... with some practice it wouldn't be too hard to incorporate that into your fighting style if you wanted to be able to use both abilities.

Grim0 · 05-18-2006, 10:52 PM

I stand corrected...but are there any useful T7 dual-wield rapiers?or should I forget about Walk the Plank and order myself a Pristined Imbued Xegonite Falchion?

Crimson Dragon · 05-19-2006, 01:26 AM

now that i don't know the answer to.... if i find one, i'll let you know.:smileywink:

InquisitorR · 05-19-2006, 10:16 AM

Talonsreach is quite the bad [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] dual-wield rapier, it drops in Deathtoll and comes with a proc! It will be my secondary weapon (if it ever drops) Another rapier you arent thinking of is the Dark Fury Sabre of Anuk, sure its T6 but it does have some shiny FT and a decent proc. And the xegonite rapier has intelligence cuz sony obviously thinks rapiers are total bard weapons. I personally love the Walk the Plank AA and I use it when I bot my cleric and duo, less jumping around to get mob debuffed.

Shidonya · 05-19-2006, 05:24 PM

Grim001 wrote:
Correct, rapiers are always piercing weapons and swords are always slashing weapons... there is no weapon that would fulfill the requirement of Torporous Strike and Walk the Plank at the same time.

I know they used it as a classification however they need to be consistant with reality and by definition a rapier is a sword. And though their strike isn't a slash it sure can leave a welp heh.

ra·pi·er (rā'pē-ər, rāp'yər)

[French rapière, from Old French (espee) rapiere, rapier (sword).]

noun

A long, slender, two-edged sword with a cuplike hilt, used in the 16th and 17th centuries.
A light, sharp-pointed sword lacking a cutting edge and used only for thrusting.

Wait, just a quick thought Zorro used a slashing motion to make a Z and he was a fencer type makes you wonder hrmmmmmmm did he use the STR/AGI lines and bend the rules?

Message Edited by Shidonya on 05-19-2006 06:27 AM

Crimson Dragon · 05-19-2006, 07:46 PM

zorro took advantage of the rapier/sword bug during beta testing of KoS.... he now suffers the same weapon-switching problems we all do.

Myrcul · 05-19-2006, 09:30 PM

Heh, I could go all into a history of the transition from cut to thrust, but that'd nerd out even a MMO forum. SMILEY

Even when the edge wasn't used much, they still had at least a portion of the blade with an edge for actual fighting.

M

Grim0 · 05-19-2006, 11:21 PM

By the time I can get any of those "uber" rapiers, the expansion pack will probably be out. However I fully expect there to not be a single dual wield rapier in the entire expansion...

MaestroX · 05-23-2006, 02:36 AM

I havent found a T7 rapier that would make me put down my dark fury sabre, but as yopu said the road to the godking is a long one. I have no options to offer you, but I will say in defense of WtP. I use WtP in EVERY solo fight. I am so addicted to the speed at which mobs die when I get to open with a Dispatch from stealth and then WtP them to get Devitalize on and I don't even get through all my other attacks on even con mobs. I think this will be even more usefull when the other stuns get nerfed and WtP gets a root effect added.

Grim0 · 05-23-2006, 04:09 AM

You make it sound like Walk the Plank is required to get behind the mob. It takes a little more effort, but you can easily stun a mob and jump behind them during the 0.5 second recovery timer and lose no time at all.

Myrcul · 05-23-2006, 06:59 PM

WtP does more than make it easy to get behind th emob. WtP makes it easy for a group to work together. Tank doesn't have to do any maneuvering, just have the brigand work with the tank, tank pulls, mob arrives, briggy turns them around, and people bash the crud out of the mob while it can not autoattack. Timing your stuns/control CA's allows you then to keep the mob facing away from your party a decent lngth of time.

This is a good thing.

M

Damari · 05-25-2006, 08:30 AM

love this skill, well worth it IMO. I currently have it at r8 but i rarely (if ever) get 3 CA's off so I'd recommend maybe r6 so that you can still get 2 CA's off comfortably.

Oh and grim, I think any brigand over lvl 20 knows to stun and jump behind, this skill has extra benefits that you just need to experiment with.

Grim0 · 05-25-2006, 08:43 AM

I've been using the skill for 50 levels. I know all of the benefits and it's really nothing you can't accomplish by moving behind the mob. When I group with assassins they are usually irritated that the mob keeps turning around (once the stuns wear off).The only time WTP is truly useful is when you can't move behind the mob because you'd wind up aggroing something else in a dungeon crowded with monsters. It comes in handy there, but that can be solved by the tank repositioning the mob 90% of the time as well.That said, it's a very CONVENIENT skill that I used constantly, but I don't feel that I'm giving anything up other than convenience by not using it.

Message Edited by Grim001 on 05-24-2006 09:44 PM

Aieckelle · 05-25-2006, 06:07 PM

The Doomrage Blade can be use with walk the plank as a rapier... but even if it does slashing damage it can't be used in the strenght line. It is not a sword but really a rapier. I have tested it.

Kayli,

70 swashbuckler and 45 Brigand

05-18-2006, 10:23 PM	#5
Crimson Dragon Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 913	Grim001 wrote:Correct, rapiers are always piercing weapons and swords are always slashing weapons... there is no weapon that would fulfill the requirement of Torporous Strike and Walk the Plank at the same time. rapier that does slashing damagea rapier cannot be a sword and vice versa, as they are each weapons classifications and a given weapon can only be one. you can switch weapons every 2 seconds in combat, so... with some practice it wouldn't be too hard to incorporate that into your fighting style if you wanted to be able to use both abilities. __________________ The best way to predict the future is to create it.

05-19-2006, 01:26 AM	#7
Crimson Dragon Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 913	now that i don't know the answer to.... if i find one, i'll let you know.:smileywink: __________________ The best way to predict the future is to create it.

05-19-2006, 10:16 AM	#8
InquisitorR Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 68	Talonsreach is quite the bad [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] dual-wield rapier, it drops in Deathtoll and comes with a proc! It will be my secondary weapon (if it ever drops) Another rapier you arent thinking of is the Dark Fury Sabre of Anuk, sure its T6 but it does have some shiny FT and a decent proc. And the xegonite rapier has intelligence cuz sony obviously thinks rapiers are total bard weapons. I personally love the Walk the Plank AA and I use it when I bot my cleric and duo, less jumping around to get mob debuffed. __________________

05-19-2006, 05:24 PM	#9
Shidonya Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 130	Grim001 wrote: Correct, rapiers are always piercing weapons and swords are always slashing weapons... there is no weapon that would fulfill the requirement of Torporous Strike and Walk the Plank at the same time. I know they used it as a classification however they need to be consistant with reality and by definition a rapier is a sword. And though their strike isn't a slash it sure can leave a welp heh. ra·pi·er (rā'pē-ər, rāp'yər) [French rapière, from Old French (espee) rapiere, rapier (sword).] noun A long, slender, two-edged sword with a cuplike hilt, used in the 16th and 17th centuries. A light, sharp-pointed sword lacking a cutting edge and used only for thrusting. Wait, just a quick thought Zorro used a slashing motion to make a Z and he was a fencer type makes you wonder hrmmmmmmm did he use the STR/AGI lines and bend the rules? Message Edited by Shidonya on 05-19-2006 06:27 AM

05-19-2006, 07:46 PM	#10
Crimson Dragon Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 913	zorro took advantage of the rapier/sword bug during beta testing of KoS.... he now suffers the same weapon-switching problems we all do. __________________ The best way to predict the future is to create it.

05-18-2006, 09:38 PM	#1
Grim0 Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 58	After searching extensively it seems that there are no useful dual wield rapier-type weapons available in tier 7. The best that I can find is the Dark Fury Sabre of Anuk, but requires a huge investment of time and cooperation for a raid party, and its damage rating is no better than crafted xegonite anyway.Speaking of xegonite, WHY THE HELL is the "rapier" the ONLY dual rapier-type weapon craftable in tier 7? Where did the sabre, foil, epee, etc go? And furthermore, WHY THE HELL does the rapier have +23 int on it instead of reasonable stats for a scout class?If there are any useful tier 7 dual-wield rapiers, someone please inform me, otherwise I'm going to have to give up using Walk the Plank and let those 4 AA points rot.

05-18-2006, 09:50 PM	#2
Shidonya Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 130	Is a rapier not a sword? Just curious cause even if I did go for walk the plank it would mean I couldn't use my str AA cause the rapier sends a message must have sword equipped.

05-18-2006, 09:59 PM	#3
Grim0 Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 58	Correct, rapiers are always piercing weapons and swords are always slashing weapons... there is no weapon that would fulfill the requirement of Torporous Strike and Walk the Plank at the same time.

05-18-2006, 10:14 PM	#4
Myrcul Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 86	Doomrage blade is noted as a rapier but does slashing. Maybe that one fulfils both? I don't know myself. I'm a bit dissapointed with the selection of Rapier/Pokey weapons myself as I plan to use Agi/Wis lines together. M

05-18-2006, 10:52 PM	#6
Grim0 Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 58	I stand corrected...but are there any useful T7 dual-wield rapiers?or should I forget about Walk the Plank and order myself a Pristined Imbued Xegonite Falchion?

05-19-2006, 09:30 PM	#11
Myrcul Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 86	Heh, I could go all into a history of the transition from cut to thrust, but that'd nerd out even a MMO forum. Even when the edge wasn't used much, they still had at least a portion of the blade with an edge for actual fighting. M

05-19-2006, 11:21 PM	#12
Grim0 Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 58	By the time I can get any of those "uber" rapiers, the expansion pack will probably be out. However I fully expect there to not be a single dual wield rapier in the entire expansion...

05-23-2006, 02:36 AM	#13
MaestroX Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 167	I havent found a T7 rapier that would make me put down my dark fury sabre, but as yopu said the road to the godking is a long one. I have no options to offer you, but I will say in defense of WtP. I use WtP in EVERY solo fight. I am so addicted to the speed at which mobs die when I get to open with a Dispatch from stealth and then WtP them to get Devitalize on and I don't even get through all my other attacks on even con mobs. I think this will be even more usefull when the other stuns get nerfed and WtP gets a root effect added.

05-23-2006, 04:09 AM	#14
Grim0 Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 58	You make it sound like Walk the Plank is required to get behind the mob. It takes a little more effort, but you can easily stun a mob and jump behind them during the 0.5 second recovery timer and lose no time at all.

05-23-2006, 06:59 PM	#15
Myrcul Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 86	WtP does more than make it easy to get behind th emob. WtP makes it easy for a group to work together. Tank doesn't have to do any maneuvering, just have the brigand work with the tank, tank pulls, mob arrives, briggy turns them around, and people bash the crud out of the mob while it can not autoattack. Timing your stuns/control CA's allows you then to keep the mob facing away from your party a decent lngth of time. This is a good thing. M

05-25-2006, 08:30 AM	#16
Damari Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 274	love this skill, well worth it IMO. I currently have it at r8 but i rarely (if ever) get 3 CA's off so I'd recommend maybe r6 so that you can still get 2 CA's off comfortably. Oh and grim, I think any brigand over lvl 20 knows to stun and jump behind, this skill has extra benefits that you just need to experiment with. __________________ Damari, Master of the Clobber (Nexus) Najena

05-25-2006, 08:43 AM	#17
Grim0 Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 58	I've been using the skill for 50 levels. I know all of the benefits and it's really nothing you can't accomplish by moving behind the mob. When I group with assassins they are usually irritated that the mob keeps turning around (once the stuns wear off).The only time WTP is truly useful is when you can't move behind the mob because you'd wind up aggroing something else in a dungeon crowded with monsters. It comes in handy there, but that can be solved by the tank repositioning the mob 90% of the time as well.That said, it's a very CONVENIENT skill that I used constantly, but I don't feel that I'm giving anything up other than convenience by not using it. Message Edited by Grim001 on 05-24-2006 09:44 PM

05-25-2006, 06:07 PM	#18
Aieckelle Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 10	The Doomrage Blade can be use with walk the plank as a rapier... but even if it does slashing damage it can't be used in the strenght line. It is not a sword but really a rapier. I have tested it. Kayli, 70 swashbuckler and 45 Brigand