Assassin's own rogues

SirPez · 12-08-2004, 05:34 AM

Assassin dps > rogue ... need i say more

Mideo · 12-08-2004, 07:45 AM

Yeah, what the hell else do assassins do?

rioi · 12-08-2004, 08:29 AM

I am currently a swashbuckler on the Kithitor server (lvl 33 atm). I have grouped with many assassins and have been impressed by their damage. However, all of their damage is clumped into 1 or 2 stealth hits. The couple I grouped with went in and out of stealth doing attacks for 300-500 damage. Include recharge on stealth and attack, it may be going off 3 times a battle. I on the other hand, as a rogue swashbuckler, put out more constant dps. Unless I use skills such as evade and the tank knows hot to taunt well, I almost have to not use skills to keep myself from getting stuck aggro.Lets put it this way. These numbers vary with debuffs...this is if the target isn't debuffedKidney Blow app 3 (100-150 dmg)(lowers AC of target) flank attack (10 sec)Unfriendly Reminder app 3 (120-170 dmg)(lowers AGI of target) backstab (30 sec)Sneak attack adept 3..worthless adept 3 (60-80 dmg) flank attack (10 sec)Flurry of Arms app 3 (50-80dmg x 3 = around 200 dmg)(30 sec)Snap of the Wrist app 3 (50-70 dmg x 2 = around 120 dmg)(20 sec)Nimble Cut adept 1 (80-120 dmg)(stuns target)(20 sec)Playful Swipe adept 1 (70-100 dmg)(knocks down certain targets)(10 sec)False Blade app 3 (80-100 dmg)(draws a little bit of aggro)(60 sec)Undercut app 3 (50-80 dmg)(snares target)(20 sec)Now, combine that in withFeigned Bravado app 3 (increases attack rate and draws some aggro - hardly enough to get target on you. It lasts 90 secs)Flashy Trick adept 1 (lowers enemy's defense and increases hate a little bit)(10 sec)Now, ALL of these skills are combined with my normal hits. Which, I have a faysteel epee and faysteel hatchet.....which is roughly 16-24 dmg a hit. Not to mention POISONS! Which go off a lot (every other hit and on skills). These hit around 100 per tick, depending on the poison I use (I use the short duration strong ones).Now, factor in that I can Mezz quite effective, put whole group into sneak, and taunt in case of emergency (aka healer getting terrible aggro and tank is out of power).Not to mentionSmirking Defense - increases parry skill and AGIWith that on I parry almost every hit for 30 seconds.Now, back to damage. Add all those skills up and the time it takes for them to regenerate. I could chain use every one of those skills if I need to. Combine that with home-made drink and my power hardly ever goes down if I do at least a full set of skills a fight (usually a ++ mob is dead by 1-2 rounds of my skills anyways).Now, say assassin does more damage then swashbuckler. If you want to set a record for highest damage, yep, you will always be the gimpy pirate character. But you wanna last a long battle? Well, rogue (brigand OR swashbuckler) is the way to go!Sorry I had to set you straight in your facts.

Efour EQ2 · 12-08-2004, 08:43 AM

SirPez wrote:

Assassin dps > rogue ... need i say more

Wizard DPS > Assassin ... need i say more ?

Mummy > 13 year old child with EQ2 account and no VISA ,,, need i say more ?

Gy · 12-08-2004, 11:07 AM

I just spent 15 minutes writing a post about how good brigands are with my lv 40 brigand and my friends lv 39 assassin but then decided it doean't matter and deleted everything. I decided I like the low brigand population so keep it a secret until people hit 50 and realize the truth.

Dtrick · 12-08-2004, 10:19 PM

Amen Gyan! For all you assassins out there I have one word for you RUSE.

Zerim · 12-09-2004, 12:16 AM

Dtrick wrote:

Amen Gyan! For all you assassins out there I have one word for you RUSE.

lol

Clawbla · 12-09-2004, 03:31 AM

/clobber Dtrick

shhhhhh...

Message Edited by Clawblade on 12-08-2004 02:31 PM

Azr · 12-09-2004, 03:34 AM

sirpez wrote ,"Assassin dps > rogue ... need i say more"

overcompensating for a small dagger? It's a **mods 4 teh win!!1!** good thing their dps is slightly higher then brigs, you guys offer nothing else to a group. That's one of the many reasons I quit assasin and became a brigand.

Ryutsu · 12-09-2004, 07:34 AM

Templar DPS > Assassin DPSSee? I can spout a bunch of crap without supporting it, too!

b3taha · 12-10-2004, 10:28 PM

Ryutsuba wrote:Templar DPS > Assassin DPSSee? I can spout a bunch of crap without supporting it, too!

lol, he has become wise to our ways!/clobber RyutsubaHe will no longer be a problem.FYI: they are stronger. See: CLICKYTold ya so.

Message Edited by b3tahack on 12-10-2004 09:29 AM

Gy · 12-11-2004, 02:01 AM

Yeah keep thinking that! The 1 hit they have to do that much damage is on a long timer. I have hit with Ruse over 1100 and it is on a 1 minute timer. Also the combination of other attacks brigands get compare and many times even out damage the assassin set of other skills. Then we have the utility effects on many brigand attacks. Our AoE attack while nearly useless on damage can disrupt spells on anyone in the area. We have several knockdown and stun effects that reduce damage to the tank. We have attacks that lower enemy attack and defense abilities and melee resistances which DOES help alot.

Clawbla · 12-11-2004, 10:39 AM

/sigh

Gyan lies... All lies...

I do not know of any of this power he speaks of...

I routinely only stab things for 28 damage. This makes me sad SMILEY

*cough* 1010 ruse *cough*

Gy · 12-11-2004, 12:20 PM

Clawblade wrote:

/sigh

Gyan lies... All lies...

I do not know of any of this power he speaks of...

I routinely only stab things for 28 damage. This makes me sad

*cough* 1010 ruse *cough*

broke 1100 not 1010 and these abilities I speak of youi might not have yet as I am level 43

Clawbla · 12-11-2004, 01:52 PM

Took all the other stuff out...

Go to sleep Gyan you been playing to much

I am a brig and when I said 1010 i was talking about me, not you.

/clobber Gyan

Message Edited by Clawblade on 12-11-2004 12:56 AM

alerka · 12-12-2004, 07:31 AM

Efour EQ2 wrote:

SirPez wrote:

Assassin dps > rogue ... need i say more

Wizard DPS > Assassin ... need i say more ?

Mummy > 13 year old child with EQ2 account and no VISA ,,, need i say more ?

He was comparing two subclasses from the same archetype, you sticking wizard in there is sort of irrational.

Eek · 12-12-2004, 08:06 PM

The fact that you don't even know Brigand is the equivalent of the Assassin makes me realize you don't have a clue of what you're talking about.

I've found that up until level 22 or so, Brigands actually do more damage than Assassins. After that, Assassins get more heavy backstabs, and get the edge. Need you say more? Yes, you do. How about "... but Brigands get stuns, and aggro abilities, and snares, which upweigh the lower damage, making the two classes perfectly balanced."

Mepha · 12-12-2004, 08:19 PM

Some of us rolled Rogues to Brigand because that is the class we wish to play. I happen to roleplay mine and love it.

As long as I am enjoying myself in game, and can do well in combat I am happy. Currently I have zero issues at L19. To impress someone I don't know with burst damage is not why I log in daily, or pay to play this game.

Glad you like your Assassin.

b3taha · 12-13-2004, 12:57 AM

Gyan wrote:
Clawblade wrote:
/sigh
Gyan lies... All lies...
I do not know of any of this power he speaks of...
I routinely only stab things for 28 damage. This makes me sad

*cough* 1010 ruse *cough*

broke 1100 not 1010 and these abilities I speak of youi might not have yet as I am level 43

LEVEL 43!?!?!?! Go outside, it is next week already!

bakala · 12-13-2004, 08:04 PM

I play a Gnome Brigand and atm im enjoying it very much, we are dps, not as much as assassins but we are, we can help grp A LOT with grp invis, im sure many assassins would give some dgm to get this wonderful skill, debuffing mobs, stun, etc. we can hit well without stealth , and we have some nice high lv spells, cant wait to see my gnome morphing into an ogre SMILEY

again im pretty sure at high lvs when raiding we will be fundamental because smuggle (dungeons, deads, etc...)

Message Edited by bakalap2 on 12-13-2004 07:05 AM

Cir · 12-14-2004, 12:39 AM

Mephala wrote:
Some of us rolled Rogues to Brigand because that is the class we wish to play. I happen to roleplay mine and love it.

As long as I am enjoying myself in game, and can do well in combat I am happy. Currently I have zero issues at L19. To impress someone I don't know with burst damage is not why I log in daily, or pay to play this game.

Glad you like your Assassin.

Could not agree more. I play the Brigand for sheer pleasure of being a "brigand".

Zerim · 12-14-2004, 12:56 AM

I am level 25 Brigand and lucked into a Master 1 copy of Ruse. No one of any class and roughly the same level does comparable damage.

Its not even in the same ballpark.

If 1100 is Gyans high mark with Ruse at level 43 - we'll I do substantially more than that with mine. I shudder to think what kind of damage he would do with a Master I Ruse at 43.

You'd have to show me some logs of assassin's damage output in a fight for me to believe they outdamage a brigand.

My 2 cp.

Message Edited by Zerimar on 12-13-2004 11:57 AM

Gy · 12-14-2004, 02:16 AM

my high is no longer 1100 it is 1336

Zerim · 12-14-2004, 02:22 AM

Yeah, like I said, I'd love to see you with Master I Ruse, its gotta be over 2K

Tessi · 12-14-2004, 05:40 AM

Woah, you're doing 1600 at level 25? And if so, where the heck did you get that Master 1 Ruse? I wants!

Zerim · 12-14-2004, 12:32 PM

1725 actually - off the fence in EFP.

Zerim · 12-14-2004, 08:35 PM

for teh win!@#!@#$

Dtrick · 12-14-2004, 08:48 PM

So, when you get master 1, you start getting a damage message? Only thing I am seeing about my damage is that it appears above the mobs head. I do not get any message in my chat.

Tessi · 12-14-2004, 11:38 PM

You have to have 'Other Hits' turned on in your chat text. Since the damage isn't attributed to you, it shows up as being from another source.

12-08-2004, 07:45 AM	#2
Mideo Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 33	Yeah, what the hell else do assassins do? __________________ C'MON BABY!

12-08-2004, 08:29 AM	#3
rioi General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 55	I am currently a swashbuckler on the Kithitor server (lvl 33 atm). I have grouped with many assassins and have been impressed by their damage. However, all of their damage is clumped into 1 or 2 stealth hits. The couple I grouped with went in and out of stealth doing attacks for 300-500 damage. Include recharge on stealth and attack, it may be going off 3 times a battle. I on the other hand, as a rogue swashbuckler, put out more constant dps. Unless I use skills such as evade and the tank knows hot to taunt well, I almost have to not use skills to keep myself from getting stuck aggro.Lets put it this way. These numbers vary with debuffs...this is if the target isn't debuffedKidney Blow app 3 (100-150 dmg)(lowers AC of target) flank attack (10 sec)Unfriendly Reminder app 3 (120-170 dmg)(lowers AGI of target) backstab (30 sec)Sneak attack adept 3..worthless adept 3 (60-80 dmg) flank attack (10 sec)Flurry of Arms app 3 (50-80dmg x 3 = around 200 dmg)(30 sec)Snap of the Wrist app 3 (50-70 dmg x 2 = around 120 dmg)(20 sec)Nimble Cut adept 1 (80-120 dmg)(stuns target)(20 sec)Playful Swipe adept 1 (70-100 dmg)(knocks down certain targets)(10 sec)False Blade app 3 (80-100 dmg)(draws a little bit of aggro)(60 sec)Undercut app 3 (50-80 dmg)(snares target)(20 sec)Now, combine that in withFeigned Bravado app 3 (increases attack rate and draws some aggro - hardly enough to get target on you. It lasts 90 secs)Flashy Trick adept 1 (lowers enemy's defense and increases hate a little bit)(10 sec)Now, ALL of these skills are combined with my normal hits. Which, I have a faysteel epee and faysteel hatchet.....which is roughly 16-24 dmg a hit. Not to mention POISONS! Which go off a lot (every other hit and on skills). These hit around 100 per tick, depending on the poison I use (I use the short duration strong ones).Now, factor in that I can Mezz quite effective, put whole group into sneak, and taunt in case of emergency (aka healer getting terrible aggro and tank is out of power).Not to mentionSmirking Defense - increases parry skill and AGIWith that on I parry almost every hit for 30 seconds.Now, back to damage. Add all those skills up and the time it takes for them to regenerate. I could chain use every one of those skills if I need to. Combine that with home-made drink and my power hardly ever goes down if I do at least a full set of skills a fight (usually a ++ mob is dead by 1-2 rounds of my skills anyways).Now, say assassin does more damage then swashbuckler. If you want to set a record for highest damage, yep, you will always be the gimpy pirate character. But you wanna last a long battle? Well, rogue (brigand OR swashbuckler) is the way to go!Sorry I had to set you straight in your facts. __________________

12-08-2004, 08:43 AM	#4
Efour EQ2 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 195	SirPez wrote: Assassin dps > rogue ... need i say more Wizard DPS > Assassin ... need i say more ? Mummy > 13 year old child with EQ2 account and no VISA ,,, need i say more ? __________________

12-09-2004, 12:16 AM	#7
Zerim Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 110	Dtrick wrote: Amen Gyan! For all you assassins out there I have one word for you RUSE. lol __________________ Crik Smallsack level 48 - Ratonga Brigand

12-10-2004, 10:28 PM	#11
b3taha General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 117	Ryutsuba wrote:Templar DPS > Assassin DPSSee? I can spout a bunch of crap without supporting it, too! lol, he has become wise to our ways!/clobber RyutsubaHe will no longer be a problem.FYI: they are stronger. See: CLICKYTold ya so. Message Edited by b3tahack on 12-10-2004 09:29 AM __________________ Account Cancelled; Thursday, May 12, 2005 Since computers are made by man, then they will allways have flaws. People fear what they do not comprehend; therefore they must dominate it to feel at ease.

12-08-2004, 05:34 AM	#1
SirPez Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2	Assassin dps > rogue ... need i say more

12-08-2004, 11:07 AM	#5
Gy Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 53	I just spent 15 minutes writing a post about how good brigands are with my lv 40 brigand and my friends lv 39 assassin but then decided it doean't matter and deleted everything. I decided I like the low brigand population so keep it a secret until people hit 50 and realize the truth.

12-08-2004, 10:19 PM	#6
Dtrick Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 234	Amen Gyan! For all you assassins out there I have one word for you RUSE.

12-09-2004, 03:31 AM	#8
Clawbla Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 21	/clobber Dtrick shhhhhh... Message Edited by Clawblade on 12-08-2004 02:31 PM

12-09-2004, 03:34 AM	#9
Azr Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 60	sirpez wrote ,"Assassin dps > rogue ... need i say more" overcompensating for a small dagger? It's a mods 4 teh win!!1! good thing their dps is slightly higher then brigs, you guys offer nothing else to a group. That's one of the many reasons I quit assasin and became a brigand.

12-09-2004, 07:34 AM	#10
Ryutsu Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 25	Templar DPS > Assassin DPSSee? I can spout a bunch of crap without supporting it, too!

12-11-2004, 02:01 AM	#12
Gy Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 53	Yeah keep thinking that! The 1 hit they have to do that much damage is on a long timer. I have hit with Ruse over 1100 and it is on a 1 minute timer. Also the combination of other attacks brigands get compare and many times even out damage the assassin set of other skills. Then we have the utility effects on many brigand attacks. Our AoE attack while nearly useless on damage can disrupt spells on anyone in the area. We have several knockdown and stun effects that reduce damage to the tank. We have attacks that lower enemy attack and defense abilities and melee resistances which DOES help alot.

12-11-2004, 10:39 AM	#13
Clawbla Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 21	/sigh Gyan lies... All lies... I do not know of any of this power he speaks of... I routinely only stab things for 28 damage. This makes me sad cough 1010 ruse cough

12-11-2004, 12:20 PM	#14
Gy Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 53	Clawblade wrote: /sigh Gyan lies... All lies... I do not know of any of this power he speaks of... I routinely only stab things for 28 damage. This makes me sad cough 1010 ruse cough broke 1100 not 1010 and these abilities I speak of youi might not have yet as I am level 43

12-11-2004, 01:52 PM	#15
Clawbla Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 21	Took all the other stuff out... Go to sleep Gyan you been playing to much I am a brig and when I said 1010 i was talking about me, not you. /clobber Gyan Message Edited by Clawblade on 12-11-2004 12:56 AM

12-12-2004, 07:31 AM	#16
alerka Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 48	Efour EQ2 wrote: SirPez wrote: Assassin dps > rogue ... need i say more Wizard DPS > Assassin ... need i say more ? Mummy > 13 year old child with EQ2 account and no VISA ,,, need i say more ? He was comparing two subclasses from the same archetype, you sticking wizard in there is sort of irrational. __________________

12-12-2004, 08:06 PM	#17
Eek Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 11	The fact that you don't even know Brigand is the equivalent of the Assassin makes me realize you don't have a clue of what you're talking about. I've found that up until level 22 or so, Brigands actually do more damage than Assassins. After that, Assassins get more heavy backstabs, and get the edge. Need you say more? Yes, you do. How about "... but Brigands get stuns, and aggro abilities, and snares, which upweigh the lower damage, making the two classes perfectly balanced."

12-12-2004, 08:19 PM	#18
Mepha General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 24	Some of us rolled Rogues to Brigand because that is the class we wish to play. I happen to roleplay mine and love it. As long as I am enjoying myself in game, and can do well in combat I am happy. Currently I have zero issues at L19. To impress someone I don't know with burst damage is not why I log in daily, or pay to play this game. Glad you like your Assassin.

12-13-2004, 12:57 AM	#19
b3taha General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 117	Gyan wrote: Clawblade wrote: /sigh Gyan lies... All lies... I do not know of any of this power he speaks of... I routinely only stab things for 28 damage. This makes me sad cough 1010 ruse cough broke 1100 not 1010 and these abilities I speak of youi might not have yet as I am level 43 LEVEL 43!?!?!?! Go outside, it is next week already! __________________ Account Cancelled; Thursday, May 12, 2005 Since computers are made by man, then they will allways have flaws. People fear what they do not comprehend; therefore they must dominate it to feel at ease.

12-13-2004, 08:04 PM	#20
bakala Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1	I play a Gnome Brigand and atm im enjoying it very much, we are dps, not as much as assassins but we are, we can help grp A LOT with grp invis, im sure many assassins would give some dgm to get this wonderful skill, debuffing mobs, stun, etc. we can hit well without stealth , and we have some nice high lv spells, cant wait to see my gnome morphing into an ogre again im pretty sure at high lvs when raiding we will be fundamental because smuggle (dungeons, deads, etc...) Message Edited by bakalap2 on 12-13-2004 07:05 AM __________________ http://www.bakalap2.com/bakalap2/firma3.jpg

12-14-2004, 12:39 AM	#21
Cir Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3	Mephala wrote: Some of us rolled Rogues to Brigand because that is the class we wish to play. I happen to roleplay mine and love it. As long as I am enjoying myself in game, and can do well in combat I am happy. Currently I have zero issues at L19. To impress someone I don't know with burst damage is not why I log in daily, or pay to play this game. Glad you like your Assassin. Could not agree more. I play the Brigand for sheer pleasure of being a "brigand". __________________ Unrest - Dark Elf Brigand Love! "Evil will always triumph.. because Good is Dumb!"

12-14-2004, 12:56 AM	#22
Zerim Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 110	I am level 25 Brigand and lucked into a Master 1 copy of Ruse. No one of any class and roughly the same level does comparable damage. Its not even in the same ballpark. If 1100 is Gyans high mark with Ruse at level 43 - we'll I do substantially more than that with mine. I shudder to think what kind of damage he would do with a Master I Ruse at 43. You'd have to show me some logs of assassin's damage output in a fight for me to believe they outdamage a brigand. My 2 cp. Message Edited by Zerimar on 12-13-2004 11:57 AM __________________ Crik Smallsack level 48 - Ratonga Brigand

12-14-2004, 02:16 AM	#23
Gy Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 53	my high is no longer 1100 it is 1336

12-14-2004, 02:22 AM	#24
Zerim Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 110	Yeah, like I said, I'd love to see you with Master I Ruse, its gotta be over 2K __________________ Crik Smallsack level 48 - Ratonga Brigand

12-14-2004, 05:40 AM	#25
Tessi Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 46	Woah, you're doing 1600 at level 25? And if so, where the heck did you get that Master 1 Ruse? I wants!

12-14-2004, 12:32 PM	#26
Zerim Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 110	1725 actually - off the fence in EFP. __________________ Crik Smallsack level 48 - Ratonga Brigand

12-14-2004, 08:35 PM	#27
Zerim Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 110	for teh win!@#!@#$ __________________ Crik Smallsack level 48 - Ratonga Brigand

12-14-2004, 08:48 PM	#28
Dtrick Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 234	So, when you get master 1, you start getting a damage message? Only thing I am seeing about my damage is that it appears above the mobs head. I do not get any message in my chat.

12-14-2004, 11:38 PM	#29
Tessi Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 46	You have to have 'Other Hits' turned on in your chat text. Since the damage isn't attributed to you, it shows up as being from another source.