Couldn't SOE have atleast unattuned our bows?

Jony · 09-14-2005, 12:10 AM

[Removed for Content]...ok, I can live with our class being switched to throwing weapons for our ranged attacks, but why weren't our bows unattuned? Shouldn't we atleast get the option to sell/give away these bows which some of us payed ALOT of money for, which are now pretty much useless??:smileymad: -lvl 34 Swashy

Sharpen · 09-14-2005, 01:51 AM

Agree.

liveja · 09-14-2005, 03:42 AM

Not that I agree with the reasoning, but, the fact is that your bow has not been rendered useless. It's just not as effective as it was before, when you could use CAs with it.

I'm betting that's why SoE chose not to unattune your bows. I may not like that decision, but at least it seems to make sense.

Penumbr · 09-14-2005, 03:51 AM

livejazz wrote:

Not that I agree with the reasoning, but, the fact is that your bow has not been rendered useless. It's just not as effective as it was before, when you could use CAs with it.

I'm betting that's why SoE chose not to unattune your bows. I may not like that decision, but at least it seems to make sense.

What are you talking about? Even from the way you state it, it doesn't make any sense at all. An arbitrary decision has not only rendered by pristine attuned bone bow worthless but also valueless. And since I went woodworker precisely to make bows for my Swashbuckler character, I am now triply screwed.

Maladack · 09-14-2005, 03:57 AM

You can still use your bow with the "Ranged Attack" button. You just can't use your CA's with it. So it's not really worthless.

Penumbr · 09-14-2005, 04:05 AM

Maladack wrote:
You can still use your bow with the "Ranged Attack" button. You just can't use your CA's with it. So it's not really worthless.

If you think that a the 'Ranged Attack' today is a viable substitute for the sequence of bow CAs I had yesterday then i am afraid you are a... I am sorry, i can't think of any word less insulting than '[Removed for Content]' so it is best I leave this sentence unifnished.

Penumbr · 09-14-2005, 04:06 AM

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Message Edited by Penumbral on 09-13-2005 05:06 PM

Maladack · 09-14-2005, 05:51 AM

Funny I don't remember saying it was "better" than what we had!!! You said they were pretty much worthless!! Funny I'm still procing pretty good even with one shot!! No, not as well as with my CA's before, but good enough till I find a good pouch. So why don't you just quit your BI!@#$@# and play the game.

liveja · 09-14-2005, 05:57 AM

There's a very distinct difference between "not as good as before", & "worthless".

Penumbr · 09-14-2005, 03:39 PM

livejazz wrote:

There's a very distinct difference between "not as good as before", & "worthless".

Not in this case.

The Titanic, after it was 'changed' by hitting an iceberg, was 'not as good as before'. It was also 'worthless'.

My pristine imbued bone bow - which I made myself as a Woodworker to support my profession of Swashbuckler - can today no longer be used to perform any of the sequence of ranged CAs it did yesterday. It cannot be sold because it is attuned. It cannot be replaced by any equivalent item because you cannot 'imbue' or use special components in bags. So, yes, I'd say it was both 'not as good as before' and 'worthless'. I hope I have explained this clearly to you.

Triccer · 09-14-2005, 05:40 PM

Will Sony unattune a Fabled Item that once had a leet proc but now doesn't anymore? You would never have bid that much DKP if you had known it would be nerfed. Well no Sony wont do that. If the item would change the class it's useable by and you could no longer use it, yes Sony would.

DngrMou · 09-14-2005, 05:48 PM

Maladack wrote:
You can still use your bow with the "Ranged Attack" button. You just can't use your CA's with it. So it's not really worthless.

Ok, you go out, fight without any of your CA's at all....then come back and tell us how your equipment is not worthless. I eagerly await the results of this test.

T · 09-15-2005, 09:09 PM

I think the point here is that we equipped ourselves based on our CA skills. Those skills were involuntarily changed. If I'm stuck with an item that was a bad decision on my part, well then shame on me. But in this case I'm stuck with an item which is much much less effective and worth less (not worthless) than it was before based on a decision made by someone else. Yes we can still use our bows but realistically, if the rules of the game weren't changed in the middle of the game, we all would have made different choices to begin.

Don't get me wrong, I'm really happy with the swashy changes and I do believe that change is good. All I'm saying is let us "bend the rules" and unattune our bows based on the decisions someone else made to change the way we played.

Dr. Unk · 09-15-2005, 09:43 PM

Get over it. I can't believe with the amazing upgrades we got people are griping about thier bow. So what if you spent a bunch on money on it? Even if this had never changed you would still end up selling it to the vendor for a few gold anyway because you would out grow it. But by all means, keep whining, I'm sure it helps, I for one am going enjoy my new rockstar Swashie SMILEY

Syrano · 09-15-2005, 09:51 PM

I tend to agree with Dr. Unk. Yes, our bow CA's got nerfed into Thrown Weapon CA's with no power reducer. Our bow's, however, were not nerfed. They still hit just as hard, still proc gleaming strike and frankly, have some of the best ranged slot stat increasers of any ranged slot weapon currently in the game that is crafted and tradeable. We lose the CA component of the attack, which was nice damage. We get this damage back if we switch to thrown weapons, assuming at some point thrown weapons are better itemized. In the interim we still get great stat boosts and a very good pulling weapon (especially the long bows). We have also, frankly, gotten a tremendous kick in the pants in terms of output. If I had known that the combat redesign was going to give us this much of a boost and someone said all I had to do to get it was trade my bow CA's... i would've said HELL YES! Ya'll know me, I thought our class rocked before the changes. Now hands down, I know our class rocks. Never felt right that swashy's were wielding bows anyway, we're swashbucklers, not panzy [Removed for Content] tree huggin rangers!

Penumbr · 09-15-2005, 10:16 PM

Dr. Unk wrote:
Get over it. I can't believe with the amazing upgrades we got people are griping about thier bow. So what if you spent a bunch on money on it? Even if this had never changed you would still end up selling it to the vendor for a few gold anyway because you would out grow it. But by all means, keep whining, I'm sure it helps, I for one am going enjoy my new rockstar Swashie

If you can't understand why people are angry about this undiscussed change then you are intellectually deficient. With respect. Enjoy your new 'rockstar swashie' and keep out of our way.

Insurrection · 09-16-2005, 01:50 AM

mala,ok,seeing as its not as good as it was before is true. but guess what. its so much worse than before that it is useless. the statement about this from you makes me question you even being a swashy. if you were or if you are and played correctly,you would know that our bows were awesome before with the CAs. now if we do use it,we do crap damage. and a better word than [Removed for Content] would be "Grade A Nimrod"

Delas · 09-16-2005, 02:44 AM

"The Titanic, after it was 'changed' by hitting an iceberg, was 'not as good as before'. It was also 'worthless'."

Not exactly on topic, but that may be the most ridiculous arguement I've ever heard.

Penumbr · 09-16-2005, 03:20 AM

Delaspo wrote:

"The Titanic, after it was 'changed' by hitting an iceberg, was 'not as good as before'. It was also 'worthless'."

Not exactly on topic, but that may be the most ridiculous arguement I've ever heard.

But true.

Dr. Unk · 09-16-2005, 03:36 AM

Penumbral wrote

"If you can't understand why people are angry about this undiscussed change then you are intellectually deficient."

Don't use such big words as they tend to hurt my head. :smileywink: Sure I loved my bow, my only tier 5 master 1 in fact was my ranged CA. But when taking into account what we gained though the revamp I have a hard time worrying about it. Put it this way, I find it silly gripe over a few gold pieces lost when a whole bag of plat just landed at your feet.

Jony · 09-16-2005, 05:45 AM

Ok, after playing my character more today I stand corrected, our bows aren't "pretty much useless"...bit of an over reaction on my part. I still wish SOE unattuned them though, seeing as how they took away our CA's. I wouldn't have spent this much money on my bow, if I knew a month ago that I'd be losing my bow attacks. Sure to some of you 30 gold is nothing, but it seems like I'm always strapped for coins, and if I had the option I'd sell mine.

Maladack · 09-16-2005, 07:37 AM

Hey Insurrection and Pen, if your questioning ME being a swasy maybe you should look in the mirrior. Because if your counting on your bows for most of your damage I think you two are the morons and nimrods!!

Insurrection · 09-16-2005, 11:17 AM

lol thats hilarious. infact,i only used my bow to pull which was awesome,it would pull mobs out of dangerous areas and also do lots of dmg. it also helped me kite

MrDiz · 09-16-2005, 01:39 PM

Here is the odd thing: prior to the update swashbucklers were ... how can i put this .... less than good? Dont get me wrong, I love my swashy, but it was about 10 times harder to play than my templar and 1000 times less sought after for groups. But the ont thing that always amazed me was how little the swashbuckler community complained. So what happened?Guardians (tanks in genreal) were uber. Oh yeah, they were so uber its scary. I could pull a heroic blue in lavastorm and go afk to make coffee whilst my toon killed it. Now i pull a blue solo and i have to check im not playing my swashy pre update SMILEY

So I expected a lot of whining. its bull cos its still a superb class, but most tanks havnt played anything else and have no idea how uber they were.Templars are in between. Some people happy, some not. And i expected that.But swashbucklers? i was expecting jubilation and fireworks. Its a bow. Buy a new cheap weapon or dont use your CAs. Either way your 10 times better off now than before. Dont become like the tanks and become the communities biggest complainers.

Khannivore · 09-16-2005, 01:55 PM

Swashbucklers get one (1), count'em, ONE, CA for ranged weapons pre-DoF. When weighed against the 10 or so AE, backstab, flank, stealth, multi-shot, debuff and just plain straight-up damage CA lines that got a major boost, not to mention our non-dmg but just as potent CA lines, the paltry 200-400 dmg at the start of a fight that was lost with the bow seems... well... paltry.And it's not as if I've stopped using my bow totally. It's still useful for the things I used it for before this Combat Upgrade.1. Pulling at long range2. Getting poison to proc right at the start (7.0 delay 4tw!)3. Massive stats

Gravela · 09-20-2005, 05:04 PM

I agree It still has its benefits (poison proc, range pull,etc) and as it is i'm going to use the thing til i run out of the arrows that i had bought before the patch and then i'll decide what i'm gonna do with it. yes i miss using my ranged CA (*tear*) but i'm really kicking butt without it anyway all its going to do, once i switch to throwing weps, is make my fights go faster. Now i keep in mind that not everyone has been blessed with the stuff i have , being a lvl 51 (so far today :smileywink: ) and with a few fabled armor pieces, but its still effective. We could demand all we want to unattune the bows and they might listen but then you're just asking for a whole lot of bugs and some other class taking advantage. So in short...it sucks but it aint going to chop us at the knees, we're lucky to have the changes that were made and there's still room for improvement...give SOE some time to come out of their expansion launch hangover and get back to fixing the fix.

ftsha · 09-20-2005, 06:12 PM

I agree with you MrDizzi except for 1 part. Yeah, it's just a bow but some of us paid almost 1pp for a Cedar Long bow. That's a lot of coin for most of us. We bought our bows to use with our CA, don't tell me you bought a bow just to pull. It's like buy an item that promises 2 things but when you get it home it only does 1 of them. SOE should un-attune our bows so we can try to get more than 2g for them.

Khannivore · 09-21-2005, 12:37 PM

1 more thing that Cedar Bow provides - stats.Those bows provide one heck of a stat boost in a slot that some classes can't even use. I've still got Stormfire equipped at L47 simply because it has stats that can't be bettered for a reasonable price.Perhaps things will change when I get Hail of Steel at L50+, but for now, I never pull from range if I can help it. I doubt I would even if I still had my old ranged CA, Frigid Blast. Now, I get up close and personal, and open with a massive alpha strike from stealth. As a rogue, I love that. And even though I only use it for ranged pulls when I absolutely have to, and I don't have a ranged bow CA to use anymore, I still keep my bow equipped because of the stat benefits.With all the new stuff we get, I can't help but feel all this uproar about losing our bow CAs (just the CA only, we still get stats and long-range pull) is an over-reaction.

Message Edited by Khannivore on 09-21-2005 05:41 PM

foad · 09-29-2005, 04:50 PM

Even if they had I for one would've just attuned mine back. so far even standing toe to toe with a friend of mine me with my pristine imbued cedar and him with what ever his knives were i still out dmged him even with him using the CA. Hopefully when they've fixed some of the major bugs they can get around to making our ca and range attack worth buying the new equipment for. we were both lvl 51 when i ran this test.

09-14-2005, 03:42 AM	#3
liveja General Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends Posts: 4,793	Not that I agree with the reasoning, but, the fact is that your bow has not been rendered useless. It's just not as effective as it was before, when you could use CAs with it. I'm betting that's why SoE chose not to unattune your bows. I may not like that decision, but at least it seems to make sense. __________________

09-14-2005, 03:51 AM	#4
Penumbr Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 41	livejazz wrote: Not that I agree with the reasoning, but, the fact is that your bow has not been rendered useless. It's just not as effective as it was before, when you could use CAs with it. I'm betting that's why SoE chose not to unattune your bows. I may not like that decision, but at least it seems to make sense. What are you talking about? Even from the way you state it, it doesn't make any sense at all. An arbitrary decision has not only rendered by pristine attuned bone bow worthless but also valueless. And since I went woodworker precisely to make bows for my Swashbuckler character, I am now triply screwed.

09-14-2005, 04:05 AM	#6
Penumbr Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 41	Maladack wrote: You can still use your bow with the "Ranged Attack" button. You just can't use your CA's with it. So it's not really worthless. If you think that a the 'Ranged Attack' today is a viable substitute for the sequence of bow CAs I had yesterday then i am afraid you are a... I am sorry, i can't think of any word less insulting than '[Removed for Content]' so it is best I leave this sentence unifnished.

09-14-2005, 05:57 AM	#9
liveja General Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends Posts: 4,793	There's a very distinct difference between "not as good as before", & "worthless". __________________

09-14-2005, 03:39 PM	#10
Penumbr Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 41	livejazz wrote: There's a very distinct difference between "not as good as before", & "worthless". Not in this case. The Titanic, after it was 'changed' by hitting an iceberg, was 'not as good as before'. It was also 'worthless'. My pristine imbued bone bow - which I made myself as a Woodworker to support my profession of Swashbuckler - can today no longer be used to perform any of the sequence of ranged CAs it did yesterday. It cannot be sold because it is attuned. It cannot be replaced by any equivalent item because you cannot 'imbue' or use special components in bags. So, yes, I'd say it was both 'not as good as before' and 'worthless'. I hope I have explained this clearly to you.

09-14-2005, 12:10 AM	#1
Jony Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4	[Removed for Content]...ok, I can live with our class being switched to throwing weapons for our ranged attacks, but why weren't our bows unattuned? Shouldn't we atleast get the option to sell/give away these bows which some of us payed ALOT of money for, which are now pretty much useless??:smileymad: -lvl 34 Swashy

09-14-2005, 01:51 AM	#2
Sharpen Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 27	Agree.

09-14-2005, 03:57 AM	#5
Maladack Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4	You can still use your bow with the "Ranged Attack" button. You just can't use your CA's with it. So it's not really worthless.

09-14-2005, 04:06 AM	#7
Penumbr Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 41	dp Message Edited by Penumbral on 09-13-200505:06 PM Message Edited by Penumbral on 09-13-2005 05:06 PM

09-14-2005, 05:51 AM	#8
Maladack Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4	Funny I don't remember saying it was "better" than what we had!!! You said they were pretty much worthless!! Funny I'm still procing pretty good even with one shot!! No, not as well as with my CA's before, but good enough till I find a good pouch. So why don't you just quit your BI!@#$@# and play the game.

09-14-2005, 05:40 PM	#11
Triccer Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 135	Will Sony unattune a Fabled Item that once had a leet proc but now doesn't anymore? You would never have bid that much DKP if you had known it would be nerfed. Well no Sony wont do that. If the item would change the class it's useable by and you could no longer use it, yes Sony would.

09-14-2005, 05:48 PM	#12
DngrMou General Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 1,286	Maladack wrote: You can still use your bow with the "Ranged Attack" button. You just can't use your CA's with it. So it's not really worthless. Ok, you go out, fight without any of your CA's at all....then come back and tell us how your equipment is not worthless. I eagerly await the results of this test.

09-15-2005, 09:09 PM	#13
T Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 19	I think the point here is that we equipped ourselves based on our CA skills. Those skills were involuntarily changed. If I'm stuck with an item that was a bad decision on my part, well then shame on me. But in this case I'm stuck with an item which is much much less effective and worth less (not worthless) than it was before based on a decision made by someone else. Yes we can still use our bows but realistically, if the rules of the game weren't changed in the middle of the game, we all would have made different choices to begin. Don't get me wrong, I'm really happy with the swashy changes and I do believe that change is good. All I'm saying is let us "bend the rules" and unattune our bows based on the decisions someone else made to change the way we played. __________________ Acyn Guardians of Dawn Mistmoore

09-15-2005, 09:43 PM	#14
Dr. Unk Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 43	Get over it. I can't believe with the amazing upgrades we got people are griping about thier bow. So what if you spent a bunch on money on it? Even if this had never changed you would still end up selling it to the vendor for a few gold anyway because you would out grow it. But by all means, keep whining, I'm sure it helps, I for one am going enjoy my new rockstar Swashie __________________ Hands McGee Swashbuckler of Forgotten Permafrost

09-15-2005, 09:51 PM	#15
Syrano Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 404	I tend to agree with Dr. Unk. Yes, our bow CA's got nerfed into Thrown Weapon CA's with no power reducer. Our bow's, however, were not nerfed. They still hit just as hard, still proc gleaming strike and frankly, have some of the best ranged slot stat increasers of any ranged slot weapon currently in the game that is crafted and tradeable. We lose the CA component of the attack, which was nice damage. We get this damage back if we switch to thrown weapons, assuming at some point thrown weapons are better itemized. In the interim we still get great stat boosts and a very good pulling weapon (especially the long bows). We have also, frankly, gotten a tremendous kick in the pants in terms of output. If I had known that the combat redesign was going to give us this much of a boost and someone said all I had to do to get it was trade my bow CA's... i would've said HELL YES! Ya'll know me, I thought our class rocked before the changes. Now hands down, I know our class rocks. Never felt right that swashy's were wielding bows anyway, we're swashbucklers, not panzy [Removed for Content] tree huggin rangers! __________________ Stadic SolÃ¡thar____________________ Warden of Oasis - Profile Vestas Shadowdancer____________________ Swashbuckler of Oasis - Profile

09-15-2005, 10:16 PM	#16
Penumbr Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 41	Dr. Unk wrote: Get over it. I can't believe with the amazing upgrades we got people are griping about thier bow. So what if you spent a bunch on money on it? Even if this had never changed you would still end up selling it to the vendor for a few gold anyway because you would out grow it. But by all means, keep whining, I'm sure it helps, I for one am going enjoy my new rockstar Swashie If you can't understand why people are angry about this undiscussed change then you are intellectually deficient. With respect. Enjoy your new 'rockstar swashie' and keep out of our way.

09-16-2005, 01:50 AM	#17
Insurrection Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kansas City Posts: 9	mala,ok,seeing as its not as good as it was before is true. but guess what. its so much worse than before that it is useless. the statement about this from you makes me question you even being a swashy. if you were or if you are and played correctly,you would know that our bows were awesome before with the CAs. now if we do use it,we do crap damage. and a better word than [Removed for Content] would be "Grade A Nimrod"

09-16-2005, 02:44 AM	#18
Delas Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 4	"The Titanic, after it was 'changed' by hitting an iceberg, was 'not as good as before'. It was also 'worthless'." Not exactly on topic, but that may be the most ridiculous arguement I've ever heard. __________________ Comyn, 27 Swashbuckler, Venekor server

09-16-2005, 03:20 AM	#19
Penumbr Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 41	Delaspo wrote: "The Titanic, after it was 'changed' by hitting an iceberg, was 'not as good as before'. It was also 'worthless'." Not exactly on topic, but that may be the most ridiculous arguement I've ever heard. But true.

09-16-2005, 03:36 AM	#20
Dr. Unk Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 43	Penumbral wrote "If you can't understand why people are angry about this undiscussed change then you are intellectually deficient." Don't use such big words as they tend to hurt my head. :smileywink: Sure I loved my bow, my only tier 5 master 1 in fact was my ranged CA. But when taking into account what we gained though the revamp I have a hard time worrying about it. Put it this way, I find it silly gripe over a few gold pieces lost when a whole bag of plat just landed at your feet. __________________ Hands McGee Swashbuckler of Forgotten Permafrost

09-16-2005, 05:45 AM	#21
Jony Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4	Ok, after playing my character more today I stand corrected, our bows aren't "pretty much useless"...bit of an over reaction on my part. I still wish SOE unattuned them though, seeing as how they took away our CA's. I wouldn't have spent this much money on my bow, if I knew a month ago that I'd be losing my bow attacks. Sure to some of you 30 gold is nothing, but it seems like I'm always strapped for coins, and if I had the option I'd sell mine.

09-16-2005, 07:37 AM	#22
Maladack Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4	Hey Insurrection and Pen, if your questioning ME being a swasy maybe you should look in the mirrior. Because if your counting on your bows for most of your damage I think you two are the morons and nimrods!!

09-16-2005, 11:17 AM	#23
Insurrection Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kansas City Posts: 9	lol thats hilarious. infact,i only used my bow to pull which was awesome,it would pull mobs out of dangerous areas and also do lots of dmg. it also helped me kite

09-16-2005, 01:39 PM	#24
MrDiz General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 689	Here is the odd thing: prior to the update swashbucklers were ... how can i put this .... less than good? Dont get me wrong, I love my swashy, but it was about 10 times harder to play than my templar and 1000 times less sought after for groups. But the ont thing that always amazed me was how little the swashbuckler community complained. So what happened?Guardians (tanks in genreal) were uber. Oh yeah, they were so uber its scary. I could pull a heroic blue in lavastorm and go afk to make coffee whilst my toon killed it. Now i pull a blue solo and i have to check im not playing my swashy pre update So I expected a lot of whining. its bull cos its still a superb class, but most tanks havnt played anything else and have no idea how uber they were.Templars are in between. Some people happy, some not. And i expected that.But swashbucklers? i was expecting jubilation and fireworks. Its a bow. Buy a new cheap weapon or dont use your CAs. Either way your 10 times better off now than before. Dont become like the tanks and become the communities biggest complainers. __________________ Gizzi: Halfling 70 Swashbuckler, Dizzi: Halfling 70 Templar, Vizzi - Halfling 61 Shadow Knight, Bizzi - Halfling 61 Dirge, Qizzi - Halfling 70 Illusionist, Tizzi - Halfling 60 guardian ( Peek inside Dizzi's Home )

09-16-2005, 01:55 PM	#25
Khannivore Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 19	Swashbucklers get one (1), count'em, ONE, CA for ranged weapons pre-DoF. When weighed against the 10 or so AE, backstab, flank, stealth, multi-shot, debuff and just plain straight-up damage CA lines that got a major boost, not to mention our non-dmg but just as potent CA lines, the paltry 200-400 dmg at the start of a fight that was lost with the bow seems... well... paltry.And it's not as if I've stopped using my bow totally. It's still useful for the things I used it for before this Combat Upgrade.1. Pulling at long range2. Getting poison to proc right at the start (7.0 delay 4tw!)3. Massive stats

09-20-2005, 05:04 PM	#26
Gravela Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 4	I agree It still has its benefits (poison proc, range pull,etc) and as it is i'm going to use the thing til i run out of the arrows that i had bought before the patch and then i'll decide what i'm gonna do with it. yes i miss using my ranged CA (tear) but i'm really kicking butt without it anyway all its going to do, once i switch to throwing weps, is make my fights go faster. Now i keep in mind that not everyone has been blessed with the stuff i have , being a lvl 51 (so far today :smileywink: ) and with a few fabled armor pieces, but its still effective. We could demand all we want to unattune the bows and they might listen but then you're just asking for a whole lot of bugs and some other class taking advantage. So in short...it sucks but it aint going to chop us at the knees, we're lucky to have the changes that were made and there's still room for improvement...give SOE some time to come out of their expansion launch hangover and get back to fixing the fix.

09-20-2005, 06:12 PM	#27
ftsha Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 55	I agree with you MrDizzi except for 1 part. Yeah, it's just a bow but some of us paid almost 1pp for a Cedar Long bow. That's a lot of coin for most of us. We bought our bows to use with our CA, don't tell me you bought a bow just to pull. It's like buy an item that promises 2 things but when you get it home it only does 1 of them. SOE should un-attune our bows so we can try to get more than 2g for them. __________________ Shark Taipan Clan - Kithicor Swashbuckler / Alchemist

09-21-2005, 12:37 PM	#28
Khannivore Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 19	1 more thing that Cedar Bow provides - stats.Those bows provide one heck of a stat boost in a slot that some classes can't even use. I've still got Stormfire equipped at L47 simply because it has stats that can't be bettered for a reasonable price.Perhaps things will change when I get Hail of Steel at L50+, but for now, I never pull from range if I can help it. I doubt I would even if I still had my old ranged CA, Frigid Blast. Now, I get up close and personal, and open with a massive alpha strike from stealth. As a rogue, I love that. And even though I only use it for ranged pulls when I absolutely have to, and I don't have a ranged bow CA to use anymore, I still keep my bow equipped because of the stat benefits.With all the new stuff we get, I can't help but feel all this uproar about losing our bow CAs (just the CA only, we still get stats and long-range pull) is an over-reaction. Message Edited by Khannivore on 09-21-2005 05:41 PM

09-29-2005, 04:50 PM	#29
foad Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 36	Even if they had I for one would've just attuned mine back. so far even standing toe to toe with a friend of mine me with my pristine imbued cedar and him with what ever his knives were i still out dmged him even with him using the CA. Hopefully when they've fixed some of the major bugs they can get around to making our ca and range attack worth buying the new equipment for. we were both lvl 51 when i ran this test.