Would a Defiler be a good duo partner for a Zerker?

Kharz · 06-15-2006, 03:28 AM

First off~

Yeah totally loaded question, of course any healer is good for a tank. However I'm curious if a Defiler compliments a Zerker well with Wards and Debuffs? But first some background.

Right now I play a SK and my wife plays a Fury. The combo is excellent and we make groups nightly clearing out dungeons and having fun. Well come EoF time she plans on making a Fairy Zerker (which I have to say is awesome, especially once shes sporting the horned class helm). My thought to this is of course making a healing type so we can duo well and make solid groups for dungeon runs and fun. These will be our alts mind you, but still something we plan on taking to lvl 70.

When she goes this route I will make a Fae as well... However I plan to betray and become a Defiler. Something about a fairy using the souls of the dead and corrupting the world around them appeals to me. But is this a good combo? I keep hearing that Defilers Ward spells work best on Brawlers due to thier avoidance. Now I would ask Defilers in game, but..welll the class is even more rare then my beolved Sk and hard to come by. Can anyone please enlighten me on the joys of the Defiler so I know we are making a worthwhile choice?

Appreciate any info, commentary or advice.

Kaza

NimSul · 06-15-2006, 11:16 AM

I spend alot of time duoing with a zerker and i think its cool. Prewarding and big hp buffs go very well with the zerker popping the "rambo" combo (open wounds + rampage + juggernaught + unrestrained fury + prolly something more) and hoping the mobs go down faster then you do. Its definitly fun pulling over 3k dps in a duo and puts you on the edge because you know its only a matter of seconds difference between mobs dying and zerker dying because hes taking way more damage than you can heal.

So yea i think its a pretty solid combo, its definitly worthwhile.

Spangles · 06-15-2006, 05:13 PM

I think that the legendary Bruiser/Defiler combo has largely turned into a myth with the recent LUs. Certainly the last few times I have duoed or been in groups with a bruiser or monk MT I spend a lot more time warding than I do with Guards, Zerkers, SKs and Pallies. Give me a plate armour MT any day.

Sta · 06-15-2006, 05:30 PM

i'd rather have a MIT tank over an avoid tank anyday, i'm usually the only healer in the group and with a zerker tanking i usually only have to pop the single target ward up then debuff and cast the curse of shielding spell on the mob and thats it, only time i do more than that is when we get a couple adds. at level 35 you get an awesome spell to put on the MT in the group where everytime he takes dmg there is a % to slow the mobs dps and attack speed which is awesome for grouped mobs. last night i was in a group in RE with a lvl 32 tank taking out lvl 37 ^^^ mobs with no problem at all.

wickedba · 06-15-2006, 05:37 PM

Yes, it's great fun duoing with a zerker and very doable. My zerker friend and I duoed the Vonerous Tyrant (he was 70 and my defiler is 66) the other day. Hope that helps you get the idea of what you can do together.

Macibaru · 06-15-2006, 07:07 PM

Got a couple of freinds that duo this way with their alts. They seem to have no issues fighting, and seem to be having a great time with it. 'Zerkers are uber, Defilers are uber. I don't know why this wouldn't rock hardcore.

Link27 · 06-16-2006, 04:01 AM

hate to be the only obvious one here.. but i have a 70 zerk and a 55 defiler. Zerkers and shamans are not ideal combinations.

Berserkers need to get hit to go berserk, to maximize their dps, and hold aggro better. Wards prevent them from getting hit. reactives and Hots are much better, because they allow the berserker to get hit.

radical_EDWARD · 06-16-2006, 11:19 AM

so like some time ago i duo with a zerker name Zerkin. Now i know hes like the best zerker in all of eq2 and all, but we were able to duo the final ring event for that amulet of ro necklace (pretty easy). If anybody said that a defiler cant duo well it a zerker, theyre pretty clueless SMILEY

Message Edited by radical_EDWARD on 06-16-2006 12:21 AM

NimSul · 06-16-2006, 06:39 PM

radical_EDWARD wrote:

so like some time ago i duo with a zerker name Zerkin. Now i know hes like the best zerker in all of eq2 and all, but we were able to duo the final ring event for that amulet of ro necklace (pretty easy). If anybody said that a defiler cant duo well it a zerker, theyre pretty clueless

Message Edited by radical_EDWARD on 06-16-2006 12:21 AM

Hehe that ring is like super easy, my lvl 55 ish ranger at the time totally ripped that apart with a lower lvl coercer.

Link27 · 06-16-2006, 08:27 PM

radical_EDWARD wrote:

so like some time ago i duo with a zerker name Zerkin. Now i know hes like the best zerker in all of eq2 and all, but we were able to duo the final ring event for that amulet of ro necklace (pretty easy). If anybody said that a defiler cant duo well it a zerker, theyre pretty clueless

Message Edited by radical_EDWARD on 06-16-2006 12:21 AM

never said that they couldnt do well together, I just stated that it wasnt an ideal combination, for reasons listed above. If you're disputing the simple fact that berserkers need to get hit to go berserk, and wards stop berserkers from getting hit, then you're the one thats clueless.

NimSul · 06-16-2006, 10:31 PM

Link27 wrote:

never said that they couldnt do well together, I just stated that it wasnt an ideal combination, for reasons listed above. If you're disputing the simple fact that berserkers need to get hit to go berserk, and wards stop berserkers from getting hit, then you're the one thats clueless.

Thats not a fact. Berzerkers have several ways of going berzerk. They have a 10% chance to go berzerk when hitting an enemy, 20% when getting hit and 100% when striking a killing blow. And their group buff is the same with halved percentages. Which is why a zerker and his often group pretty much is perma berzerk.

Link27 · 06-17-2006, 12:36 AM

NimSul wrote:

Link27 wrote:

never said that they couldnt do well together, I just stated that it wasnt an ideal combination, for reasons listed above. If you're disputing the simple fact that berserkers need to get hit to go berserk, and wards stop berserkers from getting hit, then you're the one thats clueless.

Thats not a fact. Berzerkers have several ways of going berzerk. They have a 10% chance to go berzerk when hitting an enemy, 20% when getting hit and 100% when striking a killing blow. And their group buff is the same with halved percentages. Which is why a zerker and his often group pretty much is perma berzerk.

ok, ok.. bad choice of words. yes, we have many ways of going berserk, but non as often as getting hit, as you said. Berserk only lasts for 10 seconds, so it's important to keep it going. 1 in every 10 times we hit, 1 in every 5 times we get hit, and every time we get a killing blow.

the original question was if a defiler would be a good partner for a berserker. sure, but the berserkers dps would not be as good as if they were with a druid or a cleric.

The most often we go berserk is when we're getting hit. wards prevent us from getting hit. like I said before, it's not a huge difference, but it's not ideal.

radical_EDWARD · 06-17-2006, 04:13 AM

NimSul wrote:

radical_EDWARD wrote:

so like some time ago i duo with a zerker name Zerkin. Now i know hes like the best zerker in all of eq2 and all, but we were able to duo the final ring event for that amulet of ro necklace (pretty easy). If anybody said that a defiler cant duo well it a zerker, theyre pretty clueless

Message Edited by radical_EDWARD on 06-16-2006 12:21 AM

Hehe that ring is like super easy, my lvl 55 ish ranger at the time totally ripped that apart with a lower lvl coercer.

rofl of course it would be easy with a ranger and a coercer, 2k single target dps + perma stun = easy kill. Try tanking the mobs straight up SMILEY

sostrows · 06-20-2006, 07:10 AM

defiler + zerker is very powerful combo. almost nothing you cant duo.however, you do lack some utility stuff like mana regen, evac, group invis and feign death.i duo'd up with a zerker to 50.the only other tanks i would consider would be a SK or a bruiser and i think i would go bruiser + defiler next time.

Ishbu · 06-20-2006, 08:00 PM

radical_EDWARD wrote:

NimSul wrote:

radical_EDWARD wrote:
so like some time ago i duo with a zerker name Zerkin. Now i know hes like the best zerker in all of eq2 and all, but we were able to duo the final ring event for that amulet of ro necklace (pretty easy). If anybody said that a defiler cant duo well it a zerker, theyre pretty clueless
Message Edited by radical_EDWARD on 06-16-2006 12:21 AM

Hehe that ring is like super easy, my lvl 55 ish ranger at the time totally ripped that apart with a lower lvl coercer.
rofl of course it would be easy with a ranger and a coercer, 2k single target dps + perma stun = easy kill. Try tanking the mobs straight up

Lol actually me and Nazu did that emanji in the second week of DoF SMILEY

He tanked em straight up lol.I heard you quit though, that true?

Shadus · 06-21-2006, 01:52 PM

Stath wrote:
i'd rather have a MIT tank over an avoid tank anyday, i'm usually the only healer in the group and with a zerker tanking i usually only have to pop the single target ward up then debuff and cast the curse of shielding spell on the mob and thats it, only time i do more than that is when we get a couple adds. at level 35 you get an awesome spell to put on the MT in the group where everytime he takes dmg there is a % to slow the mobs dps and attack speed which is awesome for grouped mobs. last night i was in a group in RE with a lvl 32 tank taking out lvl 37 ^^^ mobs with no problem at all.

I think the problem is quickly becoming that good MIT tanks have *almost* as much avoidance as the AGI tanks... but AGI tanks aren't even in the REALM of MIT tanks on mitigation.Good example was POA the other night we had a MIT tank in group with 70some(wanna say 78%) percent mitigation and 60some(63%?) percent avoidance... I've seen avoidance tanks with 75-80% avoidance... but never above 50% mitigation... usually 30-45%. Toss in how very non-random the random number generator is and the streaks it tends to generate and you'll see most of the difference in incoming damage coming thorugh in *really* big spikes on an agi tank where even if avoidance fails for a mit tank teh damage trickles in at a much slower rate.

Razan89 · 06-25-2006, 06:40 PM

I think the Berserker/Defiler combo would be incredibly strong, having played both classes and knowing what they are capable of. That said, I do not think the Zerker would have problems getting Berserk to proc, especially if you are fighting group encounters. Toss on open wounds, and the Zerker will be getting ALOT of hits on the mobs, should have no difficulty getting berserk to go off. While it's true the proc taunt line and spells like gibe won't will be moot with wards on, we're talking about a duo here of Defiler/Zerker, and defilers aren't that big of aggro sticks to the point where any Zerker would lose aggro to them, with or without proc taunts.

Sokolov · 06-26-2006, 05:10 PM

Link27 wrote:

NimSul wrote:

Link27 wrote:

never said that they couldnt do well together, I just stated that it wasnt an ideal combination, for reasons listed above. If you're disputing the simple fact that berserkers need to get hit to go berserk, and wards stop berserkers from getting hit, then you're the one thats clueless.

Thats not a fact. Berzerkers have several ways of going berzerk. They have a 10% chance to go berzerk when hitting an enemy, 20% when getting hit and 100% when striking a killing blow. And their group buff is the same with halved percentages. Which is why a zerker and his often group pretty much is perma berzerk.

ok, ok.. bad choice of words. yes, we have many ways of going berserk, but non as often as getting hit, as you said. Berserk only lasts for 10 seconds, so it's important to keep it going. 1 in every 10 times we hit, 1 in every 5 times we get hit, and every time we get a killing blow.

the original question was if a defiler would be a good partner for a berserker. sure, but the berserkers dps would not be as good as if they were with a druid or a cleric.

The most often we go berserk is when we're getting hit. wards prevent us from getting hit. like I said before, it's not a huge difference, but it's not ideal.

1 - Many, many classes, including other tanks as well as the Defiler itself, have reactive proc abilities.2 - Many of these abilities will actually proc through a ward.3 - If the tank is never getting hit (i.e. Wards protecting it all), then the Defiler is also likely nuking, which means you are killing such easy mobs that it doesn't really matter anyway.4 - Defilers are one of, if not the best, tank buffers in the game, no matter what tank type you are.5 - Based on the above, chances are that by changing the healer type, you are not going to affect actual proc rates of any ability significantly in any way that matters whatsoever, and certainly not enough to make the Defiler less ideal than any other combo.

Respox · 06-26-2006, 11:23 PM

Defiler and Bruiser combo at 70 is a very nasty duo if the defiler knows what he's doing. I've duo'd alot of stuff with a defiler as a Bruiser because he can let me get down to 30% hp (for 75% more crits) then just keep me warded between 20-30pct and I do double the dps I would normally do. I've tried duoing with other classes and they work well sure but so far I think Bruiser and Defiler duo is the best due to being able to ward at low life for maximum dps.

Lyasa · 06-29-2006, 01:55 AM

comon misconception: wards don't prevent hits. wards prevent damage. things that proc when hit still proc. i know this being a brigand who can still use ruse line when warded. and i know tendrils procs through ward, as well as bane, soloing as a defiler. grouping w/ a templar or inquis, reactives still proc while warded. time it will appear that they don't, mainly when the tank is at full health and a ward asorbed the entire hit. so there should be no reason that zerker counter+taunt will not work, or berserk will not proc.

06-15-2006, 03:28 AM	#1
Kharz General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 58	First off~ Yeah totally loaded question, of course any healer is good for a tank. However I'm curious if a Defiler compliments a Zerker well with Wards and Debuffs? But first some background. Right now I play a SK and my wife plays a Fury. The combo is excellent and we make groups nightly clearing out dungeons and having fun. Well come EoF time she plans on making a Fairy Zerker (which I have to say is awesome, especially once shes sporting the horned class helm). My thought to this is of course making a healing type so we can duo well and make solid groups for dungeon runs and fun. These will be our alts mind you, but still something we plan on taking to lvl 70. When she goes this route I will make a Fae as well... However I plan to betray and become a Defiler. Something about a fairy using the souls of the dead and corrupting the world around them appeals to me. But is this a good combo? I keep hearing that Defilers Ward spells work best on Brawlers due to thier avoidance. Now I would ask Defilers in game, but..welll the class is even more rare then my beolved Sk and hard to come by. Can anyone please enlighten me on the joys of the Defiler so I know we are making a worthwhile choice? Appreciate any info, commentary or advice. Kaza __________________ The mind of a perfect man is like a mirror. It grasps nothing. It expects nothing. It reflects, but does not hold. Therefore, the perfect man can act withought effort.

06-15-2006, 05:13 PM	#3
Spangles Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 138	I think that the legendary Bruiser/Defiler combo has largely turned into a myth with the recent LUs. Certainly the last few times I have duoed or been in groups with a bruiser or monk MT I spend a lot more time warding than I do with Guards, Zerkers, SKs and Pallies. Give me a plate armour MT any day. __________________ Heccie Thump - 90 Defiler Brooozer - 90 Bruiser Dykk Turpin - 90 Brigand Mesmero Magnifico - 90 Coercer Wexford - 90 Shadowknight

06-15-2006, 05:30 PM	#4
Sta General Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 86	i'd rather have a MIT tank over an avoid tank anyday, i'm usually the only healer in the group and with a zerker tanking i usually only have to pop the single target ward up then debuff and cast the curse of shielding spell on the mob and thats it, only time i do more than that is when we get a couple adds. at level 35 you get an awesome spell to put on the MT in the group where everytime he takes dmg there is a % to slow the mobs dps and attack speed which is awesome for grouped mobs. last night i was in a group in RE with a lvl 32 tank taking out lvl 37 ^^^ mobs with no problem at all. __________________

06-15-2006, 05:37 PM	#5
wickedba Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3	Yes, it's great fun duoing with a zerker and very doable. My zerker friend and I duoed the Vonerous Tyrant (he was 70 and my defiler is 66) the other day. Hope that helps you get the idea of what you can do together. __________________ Pathfinder Sailacela ~ 70 Troubador, 70 Woodworker Lashrawrla ~ 60 Ranger, 70 Jeweler

06-15-2006, 07:07 PM	#6
Macibaru Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 233	Got a couple of freinds that duo this way with their alts. They seem to have no issues fighting, and seem to be having a great time with it. 'Zerkers are uber, Defilers are uber. I don't know why this wouldn't rock hardcore. __________________

06-15-2006, 11:16 AM	#2
NimSul Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 421	I spend alot of time duoing with a zerker and i think its cool. Prewarding and big hp buffs go very well with the zerker popping the "rambo" combo (open wounds + rampage + juggernaught + unrestrained fury + prolly something more) and hoping the mobs go down faster then you do. Its definitly fun pulling over 3k dps in a duo and puts you on the edge because you know its only a matter of seconds difference between mobs dying and zerker dying because hes taking way more damage than you can heal. So yea i think its a pretty solid combo, its definitly worthwhile.

06-16-2006, 04:01 AM	#7
Link27 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 23	hate to be the only obvious one here.. but i have a 70 zerk and a 55 defiler. Zerkers and shamans are *not* ideal combinations. Berserkers need to get hit to go berserk, to maximize their dps, and hold aggro better. Wards prevent them from getting hit. reactives and Hots are much better, because they allow the berserker to get hit.

06-16-2006, 11:19 AM	#8
radical_EDWARD Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 339	so like some time ago i duo with a zerker name Zerkin. Now i know hes like the best zerker in all of eq2 and all, but we were able to duo the final ring event for that amulet of ro necklace (pretty easy). If anybody said that a defiler cant duo well it a zerker, theyre pretty clueless Message Edited by radical_EDWARD on 06-16-2006 12:21 AM

06-16-2006, 06:39 PM	#9
NimSul Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 421	radical_EDWARD wrote: so like some time ago i duo with a zerker name Zerkin. Now i know hes like the best zerker in all of eq2 and all, but we were able to duo the final ring event for that amulet of ro necklace (pretty easy). If anybody said that a defiler cant duo well it a zerker, theyre pretty clueless Message Edited by radical_EDWARD on 06-16-2006 12:21 AM Hehe that ring is like super easy, my lvl 55 ish ranger at the time totally ripped that apart with a lower lvl coercer.

06-16-2006, 08:27 PM	#10
Link27 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 23	radical_EDWARD wrote: so like some time ago i duo with a zerker name Zerkin. Now i know hes like the best zerker in all of eq2 and all, but we were able to duo the final ring event for that amulet of ro necklace (pretty easy). If anybody said that a defiler cant duo well it a zerker, theyre pretty clueless Message Edited by radical_EDWARD on 06-16-2006 12:21 AM never said that they couldnt do well together, I just stated that it wasnt an ideal combination, for reasons listed above. If you're disputing the simple fact that berserkers need to get hit to go berserk, and wards stop berserkers from getting hit, then you're the one thats clueless.

06-16-2006, 10:31 PM	#11
NimSul Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 421	Link27 wrote: never said that they couldnt do well together, I just stated that it wasnt an ideal combination, for reasons listed above. If you're disputing the simple fact that berserkers need to get hit to go berserk, and wards stop berserkers from getting hit, then you're the one thats clueless. Thats not a fact. Berzerkers have several ways of going berzerk. They have a 10% chance to go berzerk when hitting an enemy, 20% when getting hit and 100% when striking a killing blow. And their group buff is the same with halved percentages. Which is why a zerker and his often group pretty much is perma berzerk.

06-17-2006, 12:36 AM	#12
Link27 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 23	NimSul wrote: Link27 wrote: never said that they couldnt do well together, I just stated that it wasnt an ideal combination, for reasons listed above. If you're disputing the simple fact that berserkers need to get hit to go berserk, and wards stop berserkers from getting hit, then you're the one thats clueless. Thats not a fact. Berzerkers have several ways of going berzerk. They have a 10% chance to go berzerk when hitting an enemy, 20% when getting hit and 100% when striking a killing blow. And their group buff is the same with halved percentages. Which is why a zerker and his often group pretty much is perma berzerk. ok, ok.. bad choice of words. yes, we have many ways of going berserk, but non as often as getting hit, as you said. Berserk only lasts for 10 seconds, so it's important to keep it going. 1 in every 10 times we hit, 1 in every 5 times we get hit, and every time we get a killing blow. the original question was if a defiler would be a good partner for a berserker. sure, but the berserkers dps would not be as good as if they were with a druid or a cleric. The most often we go berserk is when we're getting hit. wards prevent us from getting hit. like I said before, it's not a huge difference, but it's not ideal.

06-17-2006, 04:13 AM	#13
radical_EDWARD Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 339	NimSul wrote: radical_EDWARD wrote: so like some time ago i duo with a zerker name Zerkin. Now i know hes like the best zerker in all of eq2 and all, but we were able to duo the final ring event for that amulet of ro necklace (pretty easy). If anybody said that a defiler cant duo well it a zerker, theyre pretty clueless Message Edited by radical_EDWARD on 06-16-2006 12:21 AM Hehe that ring is like super easy, my lvl 55 ish ranger at the time totally ripped that apart with a lower lvl coercer. rofl of course it would be easy with a ranger and a coercer, 2k single target dps + perma stun = easy kill. Try tanking the mobs straight up

06-20-2006, 07:10 AM	#14
sostrows Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 780	defiler + zerker is very powerful combo. almost nothing you cant duo.however, you do lack some utility stuff like mana regen, evac, group invis and feign death.i duo'd up with a zerker to 50.the only other tanks i would consider would be a SK or a bruiser and i think i would go bruiser + defiler next time.

06-20-2006, 08:00 PM	#15
Ishbu Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 949	radical_EDWARD wrote: NimSul wrote: radical_EDWARD wrote: so like some time ago i duo with a zerker name Zerkin. Now i know hes like the best zerker in all of eq2 and all, but we were able to duo the final ring event for that amulet of ro necklace (pretty easy). If anybody said that a defiler cant duo well it a zerker, theyre pretty clueless Message Edited by radical_EDWARD on 06-16-2006 12:21 AM Hehe that ring is like super easy, my lvl 55 ish ranger at the time totally ripped that apart with a lower lvl coercer. rofl of course it would be easy with a ranger and a coercer, 2k single target dps + perma stun = easy kill. Try tanking the mobs straight up Lol actually me and Nazu did that emanji in the second week of DoF He tanked em straight up lol.I heard you quit though, that true? __________________ Ishbu!

06-21-2006, 01:52 PM	#16
Shadus Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 142	Stath wrote: i'd rather have a MIT tank over an avoid tank anyday, i'm usually the only healer in the group and with a zerker tanking i usually only have to pop the single target ward up then debuff and cast the curse of shielding spell on the mob and thats it, only time i do more than that is when we get a couple adds. at level 35 you get an awesome spell to put on the MT in the group where everytime he takes dmg there is a % to slow the mobs dps and attack speed which is awesome for grouped mobs. last night i was in a group in RE with a lvl 32 tank taking out lvl 37 ^^^ mobs with no problem at all. I think the problem is quickly becoming that good MIT tanks have almost as much avoidance as the AGI tanks... but AGI tanks aren't even in the REALM of MIT tanks on mitigation.Good example was POA the other night we had a MIT tank in group with 70some(wanna say 78%) percent mitigation and 60some(63%?) percent avoidance... I've seen avoidance tanks with 75-80% avoidance... but never above 50% mitigation... usually 30-45%. Toss in how very non-random the random number generator is and the streaks it tends to generate and you'll see most of the difference in incoming damage coming thorugh in really big spikes on an agi tank where even if avoidance fails for a mit tank teh damage trickles in at a much slower rate. __________________ Shadus

06-25-2006, 06:40 PM	#17
Razan89 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 39	I think the Berserker/Defiler combo would be incredibly strong, having played both classes and knowing what they are capable of. That said, I do not think the Zerker would have problems getting Berserk to proc, especially if you are fighting group encounters. Toss on open wounds, and the Zerker will be getting ALOT of hits on the mobs, should have no difficulty getting berserk to go off. While it's true the proc taunt line and spells like gibe won't will be moot with wards on, we're talking about a duo here of Defiler/Zerker, and defilers aren't that big of aggro sticks to the point where any Zerker would lose aggro to them, with or without proc taunts. __________________ Tierax Vi'Zerai 70 Tier'Dal Berserker Brute Force - Nagafen - Qeynos PvP

06-26-2006, 05:10 PM	#18
Sokolov Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,357	Link27 wrote: NimSul wrote: Link27 wrote: never said that they couldnt do well together, I just stated that it wasnt an ideal combination, for reasons listed above. If you're disputing the simple fact that berserkers need to get hit to go berserk, and wards stop berserkers from getting hit, then you're the one thats clueless. Thats not a fact. Berzerkers have several ways of going berzerk. They have a 10% chance to go berzerk when hitting an enemy, 20% when getting hit and 100% when striking a killing blow. And their group buff is the same with halved percentages. Which is why a zerker and his often group pretty much is perma berzerk. ok, ok.. bad choice of words. yes, we have many ways of going berserk, but non as often as getting hit, as you said. Berserk only lasts for 10 seconds, so it's important to keep it going. 1 in every 10 times we hit, 1 in every 5 times we get hit, and every time we get a killing blow. the original question was if a defiler would be a good partner for a berserker. sure, but the berserkers dps would not be as good as if they were with a druid or a cleric. The most often we go berserk is when we're getting hit. wards prevent us from getting hit. like I said before, it's not a huge difference, but it's not ideal. 1 - Many, many classes, including other tanks as well as the Defiler itself, have reactive proc abilities.2 - Many of these abilities will actually proc through a ward.3 - If the tank is never getting hit (i.e. Wards protecting it all), then the Defiler is also likely nuking, which means you are killing such easy mobs that it doesn't really matter anyway.4 - Defilers are one of, if not the best, tank buffers in the game, no matter what tank type you are.5 - Based on the above, chances are that by changing the healer type, you are not going to affect actual proc rates of any ability significantly in any way that matters whatsoever, and certainly not enough to make the Defiler less ideal than any other combo. __________________ [] Sokolov - New Outriders [] [] Maridith(70 Defiler) Sokolov (70 Jeweler) Loklan(57 Zerker) Rebekah(47 Ranger) [] Healing Guide - Version 0.5 Fate has perfect wings

06-26-2006, 11:23 PM	#19
Respox Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 25	Defiler and Bruiser combo at 70 is a very nasty duo if the defiler knows what he's doing. I've duo'd alot of stuff with a defiler as a Bruiser because he can let me get down to 30% hp (for 75% more crits) then just keep me warded between 20-30pct and I do double the dps I would normally do. I've tried duoing with other classes and they work well sure but so far I think Bruiser and Defiler duo is the best due to being able to ward at low life for maximum dps. __________________ Innk 92 Berserker - Antonia Bayle

06-29-2006, 01:55 AM	#20
Lyasa Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 234	comon misconception: wards don't prevent hits. wards prevent damage. things that proc when hit still proc. i know this being a brigand who can still use ruse line when warded. and i know tendrils procs through ward, as well as bane, soloing as a defiler. grouping w/ a templar or inquis, reactives still proc while warded. time it will appear that they don't, mainly when the tank is at full health and a ward asorbed the entire hit. so there should be no reason that zerker counter+taunt will not work, or berserk will not proc.