KoS Defiler Spell Lineup - Page 2

Nainitsuj · 02-10-2006, 03:15 AM

Ixnay wrote:
Lirnafel wrote:Hmm, my Master 1 debuffs (degenerate, abhorrence) are better than their T7 Adept 3 upgrades. Is there anything i missed?
This is an excellent point - my Master 1 Abhorrence, for example, has a 32 percent chance to reduce all stats, and is less resistable than Malignancy, which is a higher level spell with only a 28% chance to reduce all stats.
If Abhorrence and Malignancy do exactly the same thing, which as far as I can tell is true on beta, why would I ever want to replace Abhorrence with Malignancy?
Even if I got a Master 1 of Malignancy, why would I even scribe it if I was no better off than I would be using my existing Master 1 Abhorrence?
I think the upgrades for Abhorrence and Degenerate need to either reduce a greater percent of stats, or add some feature, or be less resistable, otherwise they have no purpose, and I would never bother replacing the lower spells.
Thank you

That's how every spell is. Master 1 is better than the adept 3 upgrade. Seems to be intentional. There has been no fix yet.

Docimodo · 02-10-2006, 03:23 AM

yeah what gives with our 58 group buff getting an upgrade and us having no group ward upgrade!

MilkToa · 02-10-2006, 03:40 AM

Broomhilda wrote:
NimSul wrote:
OMG i really really hope defile is a joke, itll prolly get flames left and right but if you stroll over to the fury forums their 65 thingy is 600-750/1sec compared to our 60-70/2sec ?????? plz dont tell me theirs is 20 times the damage ours is, 20 !!! ..................... 20 times /sigh
Maybe because Furies dont have the awesome debuffing abilities that we Defilers have? Just a thought. :smileyindifferent:
Message Edited by Broomhilda on 02-09-200611:45 AM

Hmmm, I don't expect defilers to have the same DPS as furies considering our superior debuffing capabilities but I would expect the difference to be 2 -3 times more DPS for the fury not 10 - 20 times.

Lirnafel · 02-10-2006, 04:53 AM

Nainitsuj wrote:
Ixnay wrote:
Lirnafel wrote:Hmm, my Master 1 debuffs (degenerate, abhorrence) are better than their T7 Adept 3 upgrades. Is there anything i missed?
This is an excellent point - my Master 1 Abhorrence, for example, has a 32 percent chance to reduce all stats, and is less resistable than Malignancy, which is a higher level spell with only a 28% chance to reduce all stats.
If Abhorrence and Malignancy do exactly the same thing, which as far as I can tell is true on beta, why would I ever want to replace Abhorrence with Malignancy?
Even if I got a Master 1 of Malignancy, why would I even scribe it if I was no better off than I would be using my existing Master 1 Abhorrence?
I think the upgrades for Abhorrence and Degenerate need to either reduce a greater percent of stats, or add some feature, or be less resistable, otherwise they have no purpose, and I would never bother replacing the lower spells.
Thank you
That's how every spell is. Master 1 is better than the adept 3 upgrade. Seems to be intentional. There has been no fix yet.

Thats not true. I just checked my Master 1 damage spell (infestation) and my buffs (ghastly shroud, malevolent efflux) and the Adept 3 upgrade is better. The new single ward is also better at Adept 3 than the old one at Master 2. The problem is purely with the percentage debuffs.

MalkorGodchyld · 02-10-2006, 11:14 AM

Hmm...im definately dissapointed but i wont fly off the hinge just yet.

Im gonna give SOE a chance to look things over... Defile ! gosh the spell is named after our class & it sucks?? come on...whats up with our crazy recast timers ! sigh...

Malignancy...why?? no group ward??? Maelstrom?? Now granted we all can "make" everything useful but sheesh. How about making an upgrade an UPGRADE. I was really hoping for a master 2 purulence too ~ oh well

This isn't a rant either by the way....just concern :smileyindifferent: oh & thks for the info Ixnay!

~ Retired 60 Defiler ~

JoePa · 02-10-2006, 08:22 PM

" Defile ! gosh the spell is named after our class & it sucks?? come on...whats up with our crazy recast timers ! sigh..."I would really like to understand how much this damage this spell does at various % points in a mobs health. This spell could really rock in group encounters where you are using other group DPS spells 1st and follow with this once they are at 50-75%. Can any who have used on test tell us how much this ticks for at 75%/50%/25%? Feels like more of a solo ability than group, but could be worthwhile when teamed with a Warlocks AOE. Any extra DPS is appreciated, would like it to be level appropriate though.

lordblackhea · 02-10-2006, 09:51 PM

As all ways Ixnay you are a Ton of Info and some of us would be lost with out yha . we thank you for taken the time in makeing posts with the lateist info about Defilers . hope yha keep up with the good work and again Thanks ~! :smileyhappy: .... Unholy lvl 60 Defiler of Everfrost

Raff · 02-11-2006, 03:34 AM

I might just be missing it, but where/what is the upgrade to Portent? I didn't see a screen of any single target HP/Pow buffs. My tanks will be very dissappointed if I don't get an upgrade to that one SMILEY

Thanks for the screens as well, great info. Be really great to see some parse data on the defile spell; something tells me thats the only way to really determine it's current value. Folks seem to be over reacting to the unknown, if it increases overtime as targets HP decreases, it could put out some major DPS for multi enc mobs. I'm fine with that as it would be a nice contrast for our low dps/hi debuff single target spells. IE. something fun to cast on group encounters when the time comes up. ;^)

Tanit · 02-11-2006, 04:23 AM

Raffta wrote:
I might just be missing it, but where/what is the upgrade to Portent? I didn't see a screen of any single target HP/Pow buffs. My tanks will be very dissappointed if I don't get an upgrade to that one

Portent is lvl58 so won't get upgraded until lvl72

Raff · 02-11-2006, 04:33 AM

Raffta wrote:
I might just be missing it, but where/what is the upgrade to Portent? I didn't see a screen of any single target HP/Pow buffs. My tanks will be very dissappointed if I don't get an upgrade to that one

Portent is lvl58 so won't get upgraded until lvl72

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Ahh, of course. thanks for the reminder. Guess i should quit reading this stuff at work SMILEY

MalkorGodchyld · 02-11-2006, 05:54 AM

Edit...on my earlier post i accidentaly wrote purulence & not Portent... :smileywink: anyway i was hoping for a master 2 but it looks like we didnt get it.

Yeah, hopefully we can get some info to how useful Defile really is because the spell description isn't all that exciting IMO.

~ Retired 60 Defiler ~

radical_EDWARD · 02-11-2006, 10:27 AM

here it is boys and girls. SMILEY Enjoy SMILEY

Aaliel Stonefists · 02-12-2006, 08:37 AM

Maybe this question was answered when DoF released, but I just started playing again late December. Are the DoF spells a one shot deal, or are they planned to be upgraded at some interval greater than 14 levels? I see no upgrade for Cannibalize or Voice of the Ancestors, and this makes me cry!

Bab · 02-12-2006, 05:49 PM

To the poster above, they arn't going to be upgraded because, as they are separate spell lines all together, SOE thought it would be best if they didn't upgrade. Shame, Forced Canni upgrade at 66 would have been a useful boost :smileysad: Also, thanks go to everyone in beta posting all the pics and spell info :smileyhappy:

Jazmynn · 02-12-2006, 06:17 PM

Strange but I am happy with Maelstrom being upgraded. For long raid fights, this is a small way for me to give the main group back a little power when everyone is oop and makes the difference at the end of the raid.

I look forward to the expansion.

Dragonreal · 02-12-2006, 06:59 PM

Babik wrote:
To the poster above, they arn't going to be upgraded because, as they are separate spell lines all together, SOE thought it would be best if they didn't upgrade. Shame, Forced Canni upgrade at 66 would have been a useful boost :smileysad: Also, thanks go to everyone in beta posting all the pics and spell info :smileyhappy:

We actually dont' know they won't EVER be upgraded.. I remember a post somewhere on the beta boards saying the special spells we all get (the lvl 50 spells and the ancient spells) were going to have a longer life cycle than normal spells and if they're keeping it like the lvl 50 spells were then we have another expansion to go through before we should be expecting upgrades to the dof ancients.

Also since everyone's mentioning it, the fury 65 spell apparently has a CHANCE to hit and not a guaranteed hit so in actual use, it's not as powerful as it sounds. There's posts on the fury boards (and more on the beta boards) of furies saying that their 65 spell is actually doing less damage than their ae fire dot, RIng of Fire, due to call of storms being only a chance to hit and not a guaranteed hit.

edit: here's the post from the fury boards about their new spell..

Lady Dee wrote:
Naw that hat im wearing is just some legendary T7 I didnt win the fabled class hat
As for Call of storms: It stuns the caster not the mobs...and it has THE COOLEST spell animation ever....
however the amount of damage it does it pathetic....ring of fire master 1 does about 33K damage in total to
8 lv 60 solo mobs for 1 cast on average....the call of storms does about 8K damage in total to the same
group of mobs.

I have bugged and feedback the spell in hope the increase the hit chance.
Message Edited by Lady Dee on 02-08-200607:25 PM

Message Edited by Dragonrealms on 02-12-200609:04 AM

Docimodo · 02-12-2006, 09:01 PM

Tanith_ wrote:
Raffta wrote:
I might just be missing it, but where/what is the upgrade to Portent? I didn't see a screen of any single target HP/Pow buffs. My tanks will be very dissappointed if I don't get an upgrade to that one
Portent is lvl58 so won't get upgraded until lvl72

Malevolent efflux is also a level 58 spell and it got an upgrade.... what gives

NimSul · 02-12-2006, 09:19 PM

Dragonrealms wrote:
Lady Dee wrote:
Naw that hat im wearing is just some legendary T7 I didnt win the fabled class hat
As for Call of storms: It stuns the caster not the mobs...and it has THE COOLEST spell animation ever....
however the amount of damage it does it pathetic....ring of fire master 1 does about 33K damage in total to
8 lv 60 solo mobs for 1 cast on average....the call of storms does about 8K damage in total to the same
group of mobs.

I have bugged and feedback the spell in hope the increase the hit chance.
Message Edited by Lady Dee on 02-08-200607:25 PM
Message Edited by Dragonrealms on 02-12-200609:04 AM

Im sorry, can you plz explain what the "k" means? we dont have this letter when it comes to defiler dps.

And in her words, 8k is pathetic damage, the defiler spell does 5,7k IF you let it tick for 16 sec and IF you have 8 mobs around you in the very very small 7,5meters ae range.

Basically Defile does 70% of the damage it takes to get to "pathetic damage" in the super rare unlikely situation that you have 8 mobs alive for 16 sec in a 7,5 meters circle around you. Im not even sure you can have 8 mobs that close to you for that long without getting beat to hell by assault like spells from mobs.

Dragonreal · 02-12-2006, 10:01 PM

k = 1000

My point is that the fury spell isn't as great as it sounds and if you're worried about assaults and aes and interrupts and WHATEVER from that many mobs, think how bad the fury's gonna have it when they're STUNNED for 16s with their spell and in leather armor and only a 10s duration specialty heal... and no they can't just put porc up to help reduce the damage because that stuns them as well.

MalkorGodchyld · 02-12-2006, 11:46 PM

The fury spell not being as good as it sounds is a moot point dude... there's no comparison with the uselessness of Defile in it's current state. SO...moving on, come to think of it im not too excited about our spell line up in general. Why in the hell would we want an upgrade to Malevolent Efflux?? Thats probably our most useless group buff in the event that your not taking poison/disease dmg! & yeah its lvl 58 just like Portent. Our single ward looks like the most useful "upgrade" we're gonna get for 10 lvls....yep 10 lvls!

A maelstrom upgrade doesnt excite me at all personally...that stun doesnt make it a upgrade that i look forward to getting. SO...decisions decisions. Wait & see if the powers that be get a clue!? Betray & be a goodie goodie? Reroll? or quit all together ? ( cuz i DO like being a defiler) lol...i really wanna know who designed Defile! Just for curiosity sake.

MalkorGodchyld · 02-12-2006, 11:46 PM

The fury spell not being as good as it sounds is a moot point dude... there's no comparison with the uselessness of Defile in it's current state. SO...moving on, come to think of it im not too excited about our spell line up in general. Why in the hell would we want an upgrade to Malevolent Efflux?? Thats probably our most useless group buff in the event that your not taking poison/disease dmg! & yeah its lvl 58 just like Portent. Our single ward looks like 1 of about 3 useful "upgrades" we're gonna get for 10 lvls....yep 10 lvls!

A maelstrom upgrade doesnt excite me at all personally...that stun doesnt make it a upgrade that i look forward to getting. SO...decisions decisions. Wait & see if the powers that be get a clue!? Betray & be a goodie goodie? Reroll? or quit all together ? ( cuz i DO like being a defiler) lol...i really wanna know who designed Defile! Just for curiosity sake.

~ Retired 60 Defiler ~

Message Edited by MalkorGodchyld on 02-12-200610:47 AM

Message Edited by MalkorGodchyld on 02-12-200610:51 AM

MalkorGodchyld · 02-12-2006, 11:46 PM

Message Edited by MalkorGodchyld on 02-12-200610:48 AM

Feanor Baugl · 02-13-2006, 12:09 AM

Dragonrealms wrote:
k = 1000
My point is that the fury spell isn't as great as it sounds and if you're worried about assaults and aes and interrupts and WHATEVER from that many mobs, think how bad the fury's gonna have it when they're STUNNED for 16s with their spell and in leather armor and only a 10s duration specialty heal... and no they can't just put porc up to help reduce the damage because that stuns them as well.

I must ask are u seriously tryin to defend our [Removed for Content] spell by tellin us "hey Fury's spell isn't that great...." or? if ur not then sorry.. But if u really are serious then well I don't know what to say. The spell is gonna destroy the last hope for us Defilers SMILEY

(People has said why not wait until it goes live so we can see the "closer to death...", why? the description should give us the numbers, how hard can it be)

t0iletduck · 02-13-2006, 12:45 AM

hehe, wait until you see what mystics get at lvl 65 SMILEY

The discussion about the dps of defile vs whatever furies get will definately take a back seat.

Dragonreal · 02-13-2006, 03:27 AM

if you guys like furies so much then go make one, and why are you complaining about that particular spell they get when they've had something better than it since lvl 55? If you all like your defilers so much, why are you gonna reroll or change your class just cuz of 1 spell.. I mean seriously that makes no sense whatsoever. I didn't say that spell was good, I didn't say it was bad. And you knwo what? defilers aren't the onyl ones to get a pos marquee spell.. how about wardens and tunare's watch? That's STILL worse than defile, but you don't see any wardens saying they're gonna reroll just cuz of 1 spell.

1 weak spell (that's still in beta omg) does NOT break your class; you people are as bad as the templars with the whining.

Gravewolf · 02-13-2006, 03:57 AM

Dragonrealms wrote:
if you guys like furies so much then go make one, and why are you complaining about that particular spell they get when they've had something better than it since lvl 55? If you all like your defilers so much, why are you gonna reroll or change your class just cuz of 1 spell.. I mean seriously that makes no sense whatsoever. I didn't say that spell was good, I didn't say it was bad. And you knwo what? defilers aren't the onyl ones to get a pos marquee spell.. how about wardens and tunare's watch? That's STILL worse than defile, but you don't see any wardens saying they're gonna reroll just cuz of 1 spell.
1 weak spell (that's still in beta omg) does NOT break your class; you people are as bad as the templars with the whining.

^^^I'm glad someone said it, wasn't going to waste my time, but was definitely thinking it! :smileyhappy:

t0iletduck · 02-13-2006, 04:19 AM

aye, i really don't care if we have dps or not. When i want to have dps, i go play my brigand. In a raid i barely cast any offensive spells anyway save for the ones that have a debuff attached.I was just hoping that our 65 spell would be a nice buff or debuff, not lousy ae dot. Dang you Mystics! SMILEY

werl · 02-13-2006, 05:20 AM

One class line spell does make a HUGE difference. We should not even have a DoT line spell on beta in the first place.

lets see..

Defiler vs Mystic

Defile vs Bolster...

55dmg dot vs a 24% buff to all atribs and hp...

lets see...

Thats why we complaining.

If i wanted to do dps I would not have rolled a healer and certainly not a sham.

Message Edited by werlak on 02-12-200604:23 PM

NimSul · 02-13-2006, 06:12 AM

If defilers had any use at all outside a mt group in raids which is where we are gonna be because of this 1 ! spell then it wouldnt have such a huge effect. What do we have outside a mt group?

We have very slow direct heals, big but the cast time make it futile to cast cos the mt will be fully healed anyways and inquis/fury/warden do this alot better and mystic/templar do it at least just as good.

Group wards are the least effective way of healing a group from a ae, if you preward 1 member will eat all the ward and others will take full damage, reactives are alot more spread out and regains are just far better for this.

We have no damage worth mentioning, with like 200-250 int i can do 200ish dps single target with master 1 damage spells and we are certainly not worth wasting int buffs on.

Buffing, we got 1 group buff that buffs str by 65ish at adept 3 and a singe target dot buff for a 80/4sec dot, this is nothing anyone would ever choose a defiler for over another healer, only healer that is worse at buffing dps is templar maybe, i think they might have a skill buff which is real nice for orange mobs.

Debuffing is indeed extremely importent but one of our 3 main debuffs is a reactive proc so no mt group spot no debuff. And more importent if you look around the raid zones. Gates 1 maybe 2 mobs in there accually needs us to debuff rhoen and adofo, 2 encounters in a 3-4 hour raid, Court BQ and (sunchild) 1-2 mobs in a 1-2 hour raid. FoL nothing here really needs debuffing. Eyefarm - nothing, LJ - nothing, PPR 3 last identical encounters (maybe ciriktna and the twin names before 4th floor) 3-5 encounters in a 4-5-6 hour raid zone.

Basically the uberness of the mystic buff combined with the uselessness of defile has shoved us out of the only spot in a raid where we have good use and put us in a situation where we are the 2nd choice for 90% of raiding and close to useless but for the last few encounters we are very very usefull. Raiding defilers are complaining because their usefullness has dropped to barely any for almost all raiding because of this one single spell. Defilers - carefull, for use on boss mobs only.

ps, if i could roll my defiler to a fury and keep the masters and lvls i have now the ONLY thing keeping me from doing it would be that my guild dont have room for another fury atm.

NimSul · 02-13-2006, 06:20 AM

Dragonrealms wrote:
if you guys like furies so much then go make one, and why are you complaining about that particular spell they get when they've had something better than it since lvl 55? If you all like your defilers so much, why are you gonna reroll or change your class just cuz of 1 spell.. I mean seriously that makes no sense whatsoever. I didn't say that spell was good, I didn't say it was bad. And you knwo what? defilers aren't the onyl ones to get a pos marquee spell.. how about wardens and tunare's watch? That's STILL worse than defile, but you don't see any wardens saying they're gonna reroll just cuz of 1 spell.
1 weak spell (that's still in beta omg) does NOT break your class; you people are as bad as the templars with the whining.

What are you smoking? i would choose a single target cure that can cure anything any day of the week over defile and twice on sundays.

And btw if you wanna complain that wardens 65 spell is inferior to mystic/fury one ill be more than happy to support you on the warden boards on it, but it dont change the fact that defilers are made obsolete for most raiding by bolster/defile

edit spelling

Message Edited by NimSul on 02-12-200605:21 PM

02-10-2006, 03:15 AM	#31
Nainitsuj Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Emerald Server Posts: 525	Ixnay wrote: Lirnafel wrote:Hmm, my Master 1 debuffs (degenerate, abhorrence) are better than their T7 Adept 3 upgrades. Is there anything i missed? This is an excellent point - my Master 1 Abhorrence, for example, has a 32 percent chance to reduce all stats, and is less resistable than Malignancy, which is a higher level spell with only a 28% chance to reduce all stats. If Abhorrence and Malignancy do exactly the same thing, which as far as I can tell is true on beta, why would I ever want to replace Abhorrence with Malignancy? Even if I got a Master 1 of Malignancy, why would I even scribe it if I was no better off than I would be using my existing Master 1 Abhorrence? I think the upgrades for Abhorrence and Degenerate need to either reduce a greater percent of stats, or add some feature, or be less resistable, otherwise they have no purpose, and I would never bother replacing the lower spells. Thank you That's how every spell is. Master 1 is better than the adept 3 upgrade. Seems to be intentional. There has been no fix yet.

02-10-2006, 03:23 AM	#32
Docimodo Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 246	yeah what gives with our 58 group buff getting an upgrade and us having no group ward upgrade! __________________

02-10-2006, 03:40 AM	#33
MilkToa General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 490	Broomhilda wrote: NimSul wrote: OMG i really really hope defile is a joke, itll prolly get flames left and right but if you stroll over to the fury forums their 65 thingy is 600-750/1sec compared to our 60-70/2sec ?????? plz dont tell me theirs is 20 times the damage ours is, 20 !!! ..................... 20 times /sigh Maybe because Furies dont have the awesome debuffing abilities that we Defilers have? Just a thought. :smileyindifferent: Message Edited by Broomhilda on 02-09-200611:45 AM Hmmm, I don't expect defilers to have the same DPS as furies considering our superior debuffing capabilities but I would expect the difference to be 2 -3 times more DPS for the fury not 10 - 20 times.

02-10-2006, 04:53 AM	#34
Lirnafel Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 13	Nainitsuj wrote: Ixnay wrote: Lirnafel wrote:Hmm, my Master 1 debuffs (degenerate, abhorrence) are better than their T7 Adept 3 upgrades. Is there anything i missed? This is an excellent point - my Master 1 Abhorrence, for example, has a 32 percent chance to reduce all stats, and is less resistable than Malignancy, which is a higher level spell with only a 28% chance to reduce all stats. If Abhorrence and Malignancy do exactly the same thing, which as far as I can tell is true on beta, why would I ever want to replace Abhorrence with Malignancy? Even if I got a Master 1 of Malignancy, why would I even scribe it if I was no better off than I would be using my existing Master 1 Abhorrence? I think the upgrades for Abhorrence and Degenerate need to either reduce a greater percent of stats, or add some feature, or be less resistable, otherwise they have no purpose, and I would never bother replacing the lower spells. Thank you That's how every spell is. Master 1 is better than the adept 3 upgrade. Seems to be intentional. There has been no fix yet. Thats not true. I just checked my Master 1 damage spell (infestation) and my buffs (ghastly shroud, malevolent efflux) and the Adept 3 upgrade is better. The new single ward is also better at Adept 3 than the old one at Master 2. The problem is purely with the percentage debuffs. __________________ Lothriel - Dark Elf Defiler Iron Rangers - Mistmoore Server

02-11-2006, 03:34 AM	#38
Raff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 118	I might just be missing it, but where/what is the upgrade to Portent? I didn't see a screen of any single target HP/Pow buffs. My tanks will be very dissappointed if I don't get an upgrade to that one Thanks for the screens as well, great info. Be really great to see some parse data on the defile spell; something tells me thats the only way to really determine it's current value. Folks seem to be over reacting to the unknown, if it increases overtime as targets HP decreases, it could put out some major DPS for multi enc mobs. I'm fine with that as it would be a nice contrast for our low dps/hi debuff single target spells. IE. something fun to cast on group encounters when the time comes up. ;^)

02-10-2006, 11:14 AM	#35
MalkorGodchyld Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 131	Hmm...im definately dissapointed but i wont fly off the hinge just yet. Im gonna give SOE a chance to look things over... Defile ! gosh the spell is named after our class & it sucks?? come on...whats up with our crazy recast timers ! sigh... Malignancy...why?? no group ward??? Maelstrom?? Now granted we all can "make" everything useful but sheesh. How about making an upgrade an UPGRADE. I was really hoping for a master 2 purulence too ~ oh well This isn't a rant either by the way....just concern :smileyindifferent: oh & thks for the info Ixnay! ~ Retired 60 Defiler ~

02-10-2006, 08:22 PM	#36
JoePa Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NJ Posts: 126	" Defile ! gosh the spell is named after our class & it sucks?? come on...whats up with our crazy recast timers ! sigh..."I would really like to understand how much this damage this spell does at various % points in a mobs health. This spell could really rock in group encounters where you are using other group DPS spells 1st and follow with this once they are at 50-75%. Can any who have used on test tell us how much this ticks for at 75%/50%/25%? Feels like more of a solo ability than group, but could be worthwhile when teamed with a Warlocks AOE. Any extra DPS is appreciated, would like it to be level appropriate though.

02-10-2006, 09:51 PM	#37
lordblackhea Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 57	As all ways Ixnay you are a Ton of Info and some of us would be lost with out yha . we thank you for taken the time in makeing posts with the lateist info about Defilers . hope yha keep up with the good work and again Thanks ~! :smileyhappy: .... Unholy lvl 60 Defiler of Everfrost

02-11-2006, 04:23 AM	#39
Tanit General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 611	Raffta wrote: I might just be missing it, but where/what is the upgrade to Portent? I didn't see a screen of any single target HP/Pow buffs. My tanks will be very dissappointed if I don't get an upgrade to that one Portent is lvl58 so won't get upgraded until lvl72 __________________ Tethra of Xanadu - Runnyeye. Xanadu Raid Loot Database

02-11-2006, 04:33 AM	#40
Raff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 118	Raffta wrote: I might just be missing it, but where/what is the upgrade to Portent? I didn't see a screen of any single target HP/Pow buffs. My tanks will be very dissappointed if I don't get an upgrade to that one Portent is lvl58 so won't get upgraded until lvl72 ______________________________________ Ahh, of course. thanks for the reminder. Guess i should quit reading this stuff at work

02-11-2006, 05:54 AM	#41
MalkorGodchyld Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 131	Edit...on my earlier post i accidentaly wrote purulence & not Portent... :smileywink: anyway i was hoping for a master 2 but it looks like we didnt get it. Yeah, hopefully we can get some info to how useful Defile really is because the spell description isn't all that exciting IMO. ~ Retired 60 Defiler ~

02-11-2006, 10:27 AM	#42
radical_EDWARD Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 339	here it is boys and girls. Enjoy

02-12-2006, 08:37 AM	#43
Aaliel Stonefists Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 38	Maybe this question was answered when DoF released, but I just started playing again late December. Are the DoF spells a one shot deal, or are they planned to be upgraded at some interval greater than 14 levels? I see no upgrade for Cannibalize or Voice of the Ancestors, and this makes me cry! __________________ Aaliel, level 70 Bruiser Leilaa, level 70 Defiler The Bazaar Dark Horizon

02-12-2006, 05:49 PM	#44
Bab Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Berkshire, England Posts: 23	To the poster above, they arn't going to be upgraded because, as they are separate spell lines all together, SOE thought it would be best if they didn't upgrade. Shame, Forced Canni upgrade at 66 would have been a useful boost :smileysad: Also, thanks go to everyone in beta posting all the pics and spell info :smileyhappy:

02-12-2006, 06:17 PM	#45
Jazmynn Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 32	Strange but I am happy with Maelstrom being upgraded. For long raid fights, this is a small way for me to give the main group back a little power when everyone is oop and makes the difference at the end of the raid. I look forward to the expansion. __________________ Lady Jazmyn, 70 Defiler of Unrest, Co-leader of Five Rings

02-12-2006, 06:59 PM	#46
Dragonreal General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,554	Babik wrote: To the poster above, they arn't going to be upgraded because, as they are separate spell lines all together, SOE thought it would be best if they didn't upgrade. Shame, Forced Canni upgrade at 66 would have been a useful boost :smileysad: Also, thanks go to everyone in beta posting all the pics and spell info :smileyhappy: We actually dont' know they won't EVER be upgraded.. I remember a post somewhere on the beta boards saying the special spells we all get (the lvl 50 spells and the ancient spells) were going to have a longer life cycle than normal spells and if they're keeping it like the lvl 50 spells were then we have another expansion to go through before we should be expecting upgrades to the dof ancients. Also since everyone's mentioning it, the fury 65 spell apparently has a CHANCE to hit and not a guaranteed hit so in actual use, it's not as powerful as it sounds. There's posts on the fury boards (and more on the beta boards) of furies saying that their 65 spell is actually doing less damage than their ae fire dot, RIng of Fire, due to call of storms being only a chance to hit and not a guaranteed hit. edit: here's the post from the fury boards about their new spell.. Lady Dee wrote: Naw that hat im wearing is just some legendary T7 I didnt win the fabled class hat As for Call of storms: It stuns the caster not the mobs...and it has THE COOLEST spell animation ever.... however the amount of damage it does it pathetic....ring of fire master 1 does about 33K damage in total to 8 lv 60 solo mobs for 1 cast on average....the call of storms does about 8K damage in total to the same group of mobs. I have bugged and feedback the spell in hope the increase the hit chance. Message Edited by Lady Dee on 02-08-200607:25 PM Message Edited by Dragonrealms on 02-12-200609:04 AM

02-12-2006, 09:01 PM	#47
Docimodo Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 246	Tanith_ wrote: Raffta wrote: I might just be missing it, but where/what is the upgrade to Portent? I didn't see a screen of any single target HP/Pow buffs. My tanks will be very dissappointed if I don't get an upgrade to that one Portent is lvl58 so won't get upgraded until lvl72 Malevolent efflux is also a level 58 spell and it got an upgrade.... what gives __________________

02-12-2006, 09:19 PM	#48
NimSul Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 421	Dragonrealms wrote: Lady Dee wrote: Naw that hat im wearing is just some legendary T7 I didnt win the fabled class hat As for Call of storms: It stuns the caster not the mobs...and it has THE COOLEST spell animation ever.... however the amount of damage it does it pathetic....ring of fire master 1 does about 33K damage in total to 8 lv 60 solo mobs for 1 cast on average....the call of storms does about 8K damage in total to the same group of mobs. I have bugged and feedback the spell in hope the increase the hit chance. Message Edited by Lady Dee on 02-08-200607:25 PM Message Edited by Dragonrealms on 02-12-200609:04 AM Im sorry, can you plz explain what the "k" means? we dont have this letter when it comes to defiler dps. And in her words, 8k is pathetic damage, the defiler spell does 5,7k IF you let it tick for 16 sec and IF you have 8 mobs around you in the very very small 7,5meters ae range. Basically Defile does 70% of the damage it takes to get to "pathetic damage" in the super rare unlikely situation that you have 8 mobs alive for 16 sec in a 7,5 meters circle around you. Im not even sure you can have 8 mobs that close to you for that long without getting beat to hell by assault like spells from mobs.

02-12-2006, 10:01 PM	#49
Dragonreal General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,554	k = 1000 My point is that the fury spell isn't as great as it sounds and if you're worried about assaults and aes and interrupts and WHATEVER from that many mobs, think how bad the fury's gonna have it when they're STUNNED for 16s with their spell and in leather armor and only a 10s duration specialty heal... and no they can't just put porc up to help reduce the damage because that stuns them as well.

02-12-2006, 11:46 PM	#50
MalkorGodchyld Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 131	The fury spell not being as good as it sounds is a moot point dude... there's no comparison with the uselessness of Defile in it's current state. SO...moving on, come to think of it im not too excited about our spell line up in general. Why in the hell would we want an upgrade to Malevolent Efflux?? Thats probably our most useless group buff in the event that your not taking poison/disease dmg! & yeah its lvl 58 just like Portent. Our single ward looks like the most useful "upgrade" we're gonna get for 10 lvls....yep 10 lvls! A maelstrom upgrade doesnt excite me at all personally...that stun doesnt make it a upgrade that i look forward to getting. SO...decisions decisions. Wait & see if the powers that be get a clue!? Betray & be a goodie goodie? Reroll? or quit all together ? ( cuz i DO like being a defiler) lol...i really wanna know who designed Defile! Just for curiosity sake.

02-13-2006, 12:09 AM	#53
Feanor Baugl Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 127	Dragonrealms wrote: k = 1000 My point is that the fury spell isn't as great as it sounds and if you're worried about assaults and aes and interrupts and WHATEVER from that many mobs, think how bad the fury's gonna have it when they're STUNNED for 16s with their spell and in leather armor and only a 10s duration specialty heal... and no they can't just put porc up to help reduce the damage because that stuns them as well. I must ask are u seriously tryin to defend our [Removed for Content] spell by tellin us "hey Fury's spell isn't that great...." or? if ur not then sorry.. But if u really are serious then well I don't know what to say. The spell is gonna destroy the last hope for us Defilers (People has said why not wait until it goes live so we can see the "closer to death...", why? the description should give us the numbers, how hard can it be) __________________

02-13-2006, 12:45 AM	#54
t0iletduck Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 212	hehe, wait until you see what mystics get at lvl 65 The discussion about the dps of defile vs whatever furies get will definately take a back seat.

02-13-2006, 03:27 AM	#55
Dragonreal General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,554	if you guys like furies so much then go make one, and why are you complaining about that particular spell they get when they've had something better than it since lvl 55? If you all like your defilers so much, why are you gonna reroll or change your class just cuz of 1 spell.. I mean seriously that makes no sense whatsoever. I didn't say that spell was good, I didn't say it was bad. And you knwo what? defilers aren't the onyl ones to get a pos marquee spell.. how about wardens and tunare's watch? That's STILL worse than defile, but you don't see any wardens saying they're gonna reroll just cuz of 1 spell. 1 weak spell (that's still in beta omg) does NOT break your class; you people are as bad as the templars with the whining.

02-13-2006, 03:57 AM	#56
Gravewolf Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 68	Dragonrealms wrote: if you guys like furies so much then go make one, and why are you complaining about that particular spell they get when they've had something better than it since lvl 55? If you all like your defilers so much, why are you gonna reroll or change your class just cuz of 1 spell.. I mean seriously that makes no sense whatsoever. I didn't say that spell was good, I didn't say it was bad. And you knwo what? defilers aren't the onyl ones to get a pos marquee spell.. how about wardens and tunare's watch? That's STILL worse than defile, but you don't see any wardens saying they're gonna reroll just cuz of 1 spell. 1 weak spell (that's still in beta omg) does NOT break your class; you people are as bad as the templars with the whining. ^^^I'm glad someone said it, wasn't going to waste my time, but was definitely thinking it! :smileyhappy:

02-13-2006, 04:19 AM	#57
t0iletduck Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 212	aye, i really don't care if we have dps or not. When i want to have dps, i go play my brigand. In a raid i barely cast any offensive spells anyway save for the ones that have a debuff attached.I was just hoping that our 65 spell would be a nice buff or debuff, not lousy ae dot. Dang you Mystics!

02-13-2006, 05:20 AM	#58
werl Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 8	One class line spell does make a HUGE difference. We should not even have a DoT line spell on beta in the first place. lets see.. Defiler vs Mystic Defile vs Bolster... 55dmg dot vs a 24% buff to all atribs and hp... lets see... Thats why we complaining. If i wanted to do dps I would not have rolled a healer and certainly not a sham. Message Edited by werlak on 02-12-200604:23 PM __________________ Tharkun Wer'Lak 60th season Defiler Leader of Sammath Naur Thorondor 60th season Carpenter Lucan D'Lere

02-13-2006, 06:12 AM	#59
NimSul Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 421	If defilers had any use at all outside a mt group in raids which is where we are gonna be because of this 1 ! spell then it wouldnt have such a huge effect. What do we have outside a mt group? We have very slow direct heals, big but the cast time make it futile to cast cos the mt will be fully healed anyways and inquis/fury/warden do this alot better and mystic/templar do it at least just as good. Group wards are the least effective way of healing a group from a ae, if you preward 1 member will eat all the ward and others will take full damage, reactives are alot more spread out and regains are just far better for this. We have no damage worth mentioning, with like 200-250 int i can do 200ish dps single target with master 1 damage spells and we are certainly not worth wasting int buffs on. Buffing, we got 1 group buff that buffs str by 65ish at adept 3 and a singe target dot buff for a 80/4sec dot, this is nothing anyone would ever choose a defiler for over another healer, only healer that is worse at buffing dps is templar maybe, i think they might have a skill buff which is real nice for orange mobs. Debuffing is indeed extremely importent but one of our 3 main debuffs is a reactive proc so no mt group spot no debuff. And more importent if you look around the raid zones. Gates 1 maybe 2 mobs in there accually needs us to debuff rhoen and adofo, 2 encounters in a 3-4 hour raid, Court BQ and (sunchild) 1-2 mobs in a 1-2 hour raid. FoL nothing here really needs debuffing. Eyefarm - nothing, LJ - nothing, PPR 3 last identical encounters (maybe ciriktna and the twin names before 4th floor) 3-5 encounters in a 4-5-6 hour raid zone. Basically the uberness of the mystic buff combined with the uselessness of defile has shoved us out of the only spot in a raid where we have good use and put us in a situation where we are the 2nd choice for 90% of raiding and close to useless but for the last few encounters we are very very usefull. Raiding defilers are complaining because their usefullness has dropped to barely any for almost all raiding because of this one single spell. Defilers - carefull, for use on boss mobs only. ps, if i could roll my defiler to a fury and keep the masters and lvls i have now the ONLY thing keeping me from doing it would be that my guild dont have room for another fury atm.

02-13-2006, 06:20 AM	#60
NimSul Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 421	Dragonrealms wrote: if you guys like furies so much then go make one, and why are you complaining about that particular spell they get when they've had something better than it since lvl 55? If you all like your defilers so much, why are you gonna reroll or change your class just cuz of 1 spell.. I mean seriously that makes no sense whatsoever. I didn't say that spell was good, I didn't say it was bad. And you knwo what? defilers aren't the onyl ones to get a pos marquee spell.. how about wardens and tunare's watch? That's STILL worse than defile, but you don't see any wardens saying they're gonna reroll just cuz of 1 spell. 1 weak spell (that's still in beta omg) does NOT break your class; you people are as bad as the templars with the whining. What are you smoking? i would choose a single target cure that can cure anything any day of the week over defile and twice on sundays. And btw if you wanna complain that wardens 65 spell is inferior to mystic/fury one ill be more than happy to support you on the warden boards on it, but it dont change the fact that defilers are made obsolete for most raiding by bolster/defile edit spelling Message Edited by NimSul on 02-12-200605:21 PM