KoS Defiler Spell Lineup

Ixnay · 02-09-2006, 04:16 AM

Just back from work and I saw the beta NDA was lifted.

I've made Adept 3 versions of each of these with my Sage on beta, and have them scribed on my Defiler there. I'll post screen shots of all these as soon as login for beta is up again. All are upgrades of a previous spell except the new level 65 Defile, as mentioned below.

Abhorrent Seal - 61

Abhorrent Shroud - 61

Woeful Countenance - 62

Tendrils of Horror - 63

Malignancy - 64

Sacrificial Deliverance, Master 2 - 64 (I don't recall the other choices, but to me this was the only choice)

Fulginous Dominion - 65

Defile - 65 (our new "marquee" spell for KoS - it's an AE dot - I'm pleased with this new spell, as IMO, DPS is a big shortcoming of our class, and this is a step in the right direction, but I would like to either see the damage increased or the delay lowered.

Abasement - 66

Ancient Terror - 67

Putrefy - 67

Bane of Protection - 68

Malignant Shroud - 68

Spirit Avenger - 69

Torpid Chant - 69

Carrion Bulwark - 70

Impious Accretion - 70

Maelstrom - 70

Mail of Phantoms - 70

MalkorGodchyld · 02-09-2006, 04:25 AM

Good to go! ...waiting patiently :smileyhappy:

~ Retired 60 Defiler ~

Message Edited by MalkorGodchyld on 02-08-200606:13 PM

Ixnay · 02-09-2006, 09:52 AM

I've not been able to find the recipe in beta yet for our new spell, Defile, but I'm not worried about it, the EQ2 team has been more on top of things in this beta, IMO, than I've ever seen before in more than 5 years of playing SoE games. In general, KoS is huge, very finished, ahd shows great attention to detail. I can't say enough about how much fun KoS is compared to DoF even. KoS is going to bring the glory days to EQ2.

Message Edited by Ixnay on 02-08-200608:59 PM

Ixnay · 02-09-2006, 09:55 AM

NimSul · 02-09-2006, 06:10 PM

OMG i really really hope defile is a joke, itll prolly get flames left and right but if you stroll over to the fury forums their 65 thingy is 600-750/1sec compared to our 60-70/2sec ?????? plz dont tell me theirs is 20 times the damage ours is, 20 !!! ..................... 20 times /sigh

And maelstrom, i dont know if its even worth mentioning the uselessness that is this spell.

Btw do you have any info on the other master 2 choices?

And another question hehe, has there been any mentioning of the slow/dps reducer cap? with the upgerades to degenerate and tendrils it seems like all we gonna do is his the cap even harder than we do now.

Thx for the info way cool stuff mostly.

Tanit · 02-09-2006, 06:24 PM

NimSul wrote:
OMG i really really hope defile is a joke

hehe, was actually thinking the same when i saw it. It does say that the damage increases when the target is damaged though.

Broomhilda · 02-09-2006, 07:37 PM

Ixnay, as always, your a fountain of great info! Thank you for this Dear, I'm so excited about KOS now! :smileyvery-happy:

Ixnay · 02-09-2006, 08:39 PM

NimSul wrote:
OMG i really really hope defile is a joke, itll prolly get flames left and right but if you stroll over to the fury forums their 65 thingy is 600-750/1sec compared to our 60-70/2sec ?????? plz dont tell me theirs is 20 times the damage ours is, 20 !!! ..................... 20 times /sigh

Keep in mind the screen for Defile above is only Adept 1, but yeah, I'd like to see them at least double the damage and duration. I'm hopeful that would be considered a reasonable request. As for type of spell though, I'd rather have an out of group ae dot like this than just about anything else I can think of.

Calison · 02-09-2006, 09:01 PM

New Expansion one new spell go Sony =/

MilkToa · 02-09-2006, 09:07 PM

Thanks for the info and as had been said before, Defile is a bad joke. How can SOE justify giving furies a DOT at level 65 that does 10 times as much damage?

Message Edited by MilkToast on 02-09-200608:12 AM

Broomhilda · 02-09-2006, 09:34 PM

NimSul wrote:
OMG i really really hope defile is a joke, itll prolly get flames left and right but if you stroll over to the fury forums their 65 thingy is 600-750/1sec compared to our 60-70/2sec ?????? plz dont tell me theirs is 20 times the damage ours is, 20 !!! ..................... 20 times /sigh

Maybe because Furies dont have the awesome debuffing abilities that we Defilers have? Just a thought. :smileyindifferent:

Message Edited by Broomhilda on 02-09-200611:45 AM

Ixnay · 02-09-2006, 09:38 PM

Calison wrote:
New Expansion one new spell go Sony =/

Seriously, KoS owns DoF so hard that once you play, you'll be too busy having fun to be unhappy with anything, trust me. I can understand and appreciate only one new marquee spell per expansion - with an expansion every six months, that's gonna be a lot of future new spells, they can't grow it much more than one per expansion and maintain that.

Gravewolf · 02-09-2006, 10:43 PM

Also, it says in the description that it does more damage, the lower on health the target is. So I would imagine what is shown on the spell is the base damage and it could do quite a bit more each tick on something at half health or less...

Ixnay · 02-09-2006, 10:49 PM

Gravewolf wrote:Also, it says in the description that it does more damage, the lower on health the target is. So I would imagine what is shown on the spell is the base damage and it could do quite a bit more each tick on something at half health or less...

Will try and test it out tonight, was hoping to wait till I could scroll the Ad3 version, but what it could also do instead is just damage at the higher end of the range, rather than the lower, based on mob health.

zonedbob · 02-09-2006, 10:58 PM

Maelstrom. Why have they bothered? I seldom have any use for the level 50 version.

Defile. Great - but only if you're going to be tackling groups of lvl 40 and lower mobs... they really need to up the DPS on that if its going to be any real use.

Still, can't wait for KoS. We get a pet! :smileyhappy:

NimSul · 02-09-2006, 11:54 PM

For those that can even remotely see how the damage on defile is close to anything accepteble let me remind you furys equalent, yes the fury EQUAL Spell does 20 times as much damage

20 !!!

Rhe · 02-10-2006, 12:04 AM

I started a thread on it called: Defile get up in arms, get up in arms now and maybe next update we'll get SOMETHING USEFUL. Either make it a debuff or awesome damage. They gave us a fricken version of Caligionous thats crappier, longer recast time and no debuff to nox. Way to think in the box guys, actually I think they gave us the level 40 version of the AE dot we already have.Much hate to the Developers.

Azeda · 02-10-2006, 12:07 AM

I know someone asked already but thought I would reiterate. What are the other choices for master 2s? I would like to know before I buy Sac. Dev. MA1 ... don't want to waste all that plat on a spell Im just going to upgrade.

Rhe · 02-10-2006, 12:09 AM

Unless I missed it, there will be no upgrade to group wards, and thats got me a bit worried.

JoePa · 02-10-2006, 12:20 AM

"Unless I missed it, there will be no upgrade to group wards, and thats got me a bit worried."Ditto...I thought we got upgrades every 14 levels? Wouldn't this put Group Ward upgrade at level 70? Hope those level 70-75 mobs dont hit too hard........

Broomhilda · 02-10-2006, 12:24 AM

JoePa wrote:"Unless I missed it, there will be no upgrade to group wards, and thats got me a bit worried."Ditto...I thought we got upgrades every 14 levels? Wouldn't this put Group Ward upgrade at level 70? Hope those level 70-75 mobs dont hit too hard........

Yes its there, check the spell list first post...Carrion Bulwark. I'm sure that's the group ward, however there is no picture for it. Thats whats throwing you off.

Lirnafel · 02-10-2006, 12:41 AM

Hmm, my Master 1 debuffs (degenerate, abhorrence) are better than their T7 Adept 3 upgrades. Is there anything i missed?

Calison · 02-10-2006, 12:54 AM

I notices that too.

Ixnay · 02-10-2006, 01:34 AM

Broomhilda wrote:
Yes its there, check the spell list first post...Carrion Bulwark. I'm sure that's the group ward, however there is no picture for it. Thats whats throwing you off.

There's a screen shot for Carrion Bullwark above - it's in the last set of screen shots. I posted it a little out of order based on the geometry of the screens.

Ixnay · 02-10-2006, 01:41 AM

Lirnafel wrote:Hmm, my Master 1 debuffs (degenerate, abhorrence) are better than their T7 Adept 3 upgrades. Is there anything i missed?

This is an excellent point - my Master 1 Abhorrence, for example, has a 32 percent chance to reduce all stats, and is less resistable than Malignancy, which is a higher level spell with only a 28% chance to reduce all stats.

If Abhorrence and Malignancy do exactly the same thing, which as far as I can tell is true on beta, why would I ever want to replace Abhorrence with Malignancy?

Even if I got a Master 1 of Malignancy, why would I even scribe it if I was no better off than I would be using my existing Master 1 Abhorrence?

I think the upgrades for Abhorrence and Degenerate need to either reduce a greater percent of stats, or add some feature, or be less resistable, otherwise they have no purpose, and I would never bother replacing the lower spells.

Thank you

Broomhilda · 02-10-2006, 01:45 AM

Ixnay wrote:
Broomhilda wrote:
Yes its there, check the spell list first post...Carrion Bulwark. I'm sure that's the group ward, however there is no picture for it. Thats whats throwing you off.
There's a screen shot for Carrion Bullwark above - it's in the last set of screen shots. I posted it a little out of order based on the geometry of the screens.

Ah, so there is no group ward then? odd.

Ixnay · 02-10-2006, 01:50 AM

Broomhilda wrote:
Ah, so there is no group ward then? odd.

Good catch - I'm not sure whether this is an oversight or intended. Before anyone makes an outraged defiler post on this, can someone please check and see whether all other priest classes get all their previous group specials upgraded in KoS, or whether those have been left out of the upgrades for the other priests also.

Gravewolf · 02-10-2006, 01:54 AM

I believe I saw other priest classes posting about missing group (specialty) heals. Either intentional or an oversight across the board.

Erage · 02-10-2006, 01:55 AM

They were suppose to be getting rid of spell upgrades for the line of spells that are based off of %'s. There is absolutely no reason for them to upgrade this line if they are just making it exactly the same but cost more power. The thing about the Revulsion line is that there isn't a single upgrade to this line that does anything different but add more power to cast. Master 1 Revulsion will lower attributes by 32%, the exact same amount as Master 1 Abhorrence, but has half the power cost as Abhorrence. They just added a new lvl 7 defiler spell on that line called Repulsion that costs only 13 power. Can't say for certain, but I'd guess that it too debuffs the exact same %'s as all the other spells in it's line. I just dont see a point in them continueing on with this spell line.

Erage · 02-10-2006, 02:10 AM

Both Shamans and Druids do not have their speciality heals and instead they have the upgrade to the lvl 58 resistance/hp buff. Templars and Inquisitors both have Dire Intercession and Malevolent Diatribe, lvl 70 specialty heals. I assume this is an oversight for Shamans and Druids and instead of the lvl 58 upgrades, we should have our specialty heals.

02-09-2006, 04:16 AM	#1
Ixnay Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 539	Just back from work and I saw the beta NDA was lifted. I've made Adept 3 versions of each of these with my Sage on beta, and have them scribed on my Defiler there. I'll post screen shots of all these as soon as login for beta is up again. All are upgrades of a previous spell except the new level 65 Defile, as mentioned below. Abhorrent Seal - 61 Abhorrent Shroud - 61 Woeful Countenance - 62 Tendrils of Horror - 63 Malignancy - 64 Sacrificial Deliverance, Master 2 - 64 (I don't recall the other choices, but to me this was the only choice) Fulginous Dominion - 65 Defile - 65 (our new "marquee" spell for KoS - it's an AE dot - I'm pleased with this new spell, as IMO, DPS is a big shortcoming of our class, and this is a step in the right direction, but I would like to either see the damage increased or the delay lowered. Abasement - 66 Ancient Terror - 67 Putrefy - 67 Bane of Protection - 68 Malignant Shroud - 68 Spirit Avenger - 69 Torpid Chant - 69 Carrion Bulwark - 70 Impious Accretion - 70 Maelstrom - 70 Mail of Phantoms - 70 __________________ Elleffgee (LFG), Chaotic Legion, Kithicor EQ2Flames.com Got Flames?

02-09-2006, 09:52 AM	#3
Ixnay Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 539	I've not been able to find the recipe in beta yet for our new spell, Defile, but I'm not worried about it, the EQ2 team has been more on top of things in this beta, IMO, than I've ever seen before in more than 5 years of playing SoE games. In general, KoS is huge, very finished, ahd shows great attention to detail. I can't say enough about how much fun KoS is compared to DoF even. KoS is going to bring the glory days to EQ2. Message Edited by Ixnay on 02-08-200608:59 PM __________________ Elleffgee (LFG), Chaotic Legion, Kithicor EQ2Flames.com Got Flames?

02-09-2006, 09:55 AM	#4
Ixnay Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 539	__________________ Elleffgee (LFG), Chaotic Legion, Kithicor EQ2Flames.com Got Flames?

02-09-2006, 06:24 PM	#6
Tanit General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 611	NimSul wrote: OMG i really really hope defile is a joke hehe, was actually thinking the same when i saw it. It does say that the damage increases when the target is damaged though. __________________ Tethra of Xanadu - Runnyeye. Xanadu Raid Loot Database

02-09-2006, 08:39 PM	#8
Ixnay Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 539	NimSul wrote: OMG i really really hope defile is a joke, itll prolly get flames left and right but if you stroll over to the fury forums their 65 thingy is 600-750/1sec compared to our 60-70/2sec ?????? plz dont tell me theirs is 20 times the damage ours is, 20 !!! ..................... 20 times /sigh Keep in mind the screen for Defile above is only Adept 1, but yeah, I'd like to see them at least double the damage and duration. I'm hopeful that would be considered a reasonable request. As for type of spell though, I'd rather have an out of group ae dot like this than just about anything else I can think of. __________________ Elleffgee (LFG), Chaotic Legion, Kithicor EQ2Flames.com Got Flames?

02-09-2006, 04:25 AM	#2
MalkorGodchyld Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 131	Good to go! ...waiting patiently :smileyhappy: ~ Retired 60 Defiler ~ Message Edited by MalkorGodchyld on 02-08-200606:13 PM

02-09-2006, 06:10 PM	#5
NimSul Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 421	OMG i really really hope defile is a joke, itll prolly get flames left and right but if you stroll over to the fury forums their 65 thingy is 600-750/1sec compared to our 60-70/2sec ?????? plz dont tell me theirs is 20 times the damage ours is, 20 !!! ..................... 20 times /sigh And maelstrom, i dont know if its even worth mentioning the uselessness that is this spell. Btw do you have any info on the other master 2 choices? And another question hehe, has there been any mentioning of the slow/dps reducer cap? with the upgerades to degenerate and tendrils it seems like all we gonna do is his the cap even harder than we do now. Thx for the info way cool stuff mostly.

02-09-2006, 07:37 PM	#7
Broomhilda Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 363	Ixnay, as always, your a fountain of great info! Thank you for this Dear, I'm so excited about KOS now! :smileyvery-happy:

02-09-2006, 09:01 PM	#9
Calison Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4	New Expansion one new spell go Sony =/

02-09-2006, 09:07 PM	#10
MilkToa General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 490	Thanks for the info and as had been said before, Defile is a bad joke. How can SOE justify giving furies a DOT at level 65 that does 10 times as much damage? Message Edited by MilkToast on 02-09-200608:12 AM

02-09-2006, 09:34 PM	#11
Broomhilda Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 363	NimSul wrote: OMG i really really hope defile is a joke, itll prolly get flames left and right but if you stroll over to the fury forums their 65 thingy is 600-750/1sec compared to our 60-70/2sec ?????? plz dont tell me theirs is 20 times the damage ours is, 20 !!! ..................... 20 times /sigh Maybe because Furies dont have the awesome debuffing abilities that we Defilers have? Just a thought. :smileyindifferent: Message Edited by Broomhilda on 02-09-200611:45 AM

02-09-2006, 09:38 PM	#12
Ixnay Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 539	Calison wrote: New Expansion one new spell go Sony =/ Seriously, KoS owns DoF so hard that once you play, you'll be too busy having fun to be unhappy with anything, trust me. I can understand and appreciate only one new marquee spell per expansion - with an expansion every six months, that's gonna be a lot of future new spells, they can't grow it much more than one per expansion and maintain that. __________________ Elleffgee (LFG), Chaotic Legion, Kithicor EQ2Flames.com Got Flames?

02-09-2006, 10:43 PM	#13
Gravewolf Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 68	Also, it says in the description that it does more damage, the lower on health the target is. So I would imagine what is shown on the spell is the base damage and it could do quite a bit more each tick on something at half health or less...

02-09-2006, 10:49 PM	#14
Ixnay Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 539	Gravewolf wrote:Also, it says in the description that it does more damage, the lower on health the target is. So I would imagine what is shown on the spell is the base damage and it could do quite a bit more each tick on something at half health or less... Will try and test it out tonight, was hoping to wait till I could scroll the Ad3 version, but what it could also do instead is just damage at the higher end of the range, rather than the lower, based on mob health. __________________ Elleffgee (LFG), Chaotic Legion, Kithicor EQ2Flames.com Got Flames?

02-09-2006, 10:58 PM	#15
zonedbob Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Manchester, UK Posts: 44	Maelstrom. Why have they bothered? I seldom have any use for the level 50 version. Defile. Great - but only if you're going to be tackling groups of lvl 40 and lower mobs... they really need to up the DPS on that if its going to be any real use. Still, can't wait for KoS. We get a pet! :smileyhappy: __________________

02-09-2006, 11:54 PM	#16
NimSul Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 421	For those that can even remotely see how the damage on defile is close to anything accepteble let me remind you furys equalent, yes the fury EQUAL Spell does 20 times as much damage 20 !!!

02-10-2006, 12:04 AM	#17
Rhe Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 43	I started a thread on it called: Defile get up in arms, get up in arms now and maybe next update we'll get SOMETHING USEFUL. Either make it a debuff or awesome damage. They gave us a fricken version of Caligionous thats crappier, longer recast time and no debuff to nox. Way to think in the box guys, actually I think they gave us the level 40 version of the AE dot we already have.Much hate to the Developers.

02-10-2006, 12:07 AM	#18
Azeda Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 86	I know someone asked already but thought I would reiterate. What are the other choices for master 2s? I would like to know before I buy Sac. Dev. MA1 ... don't want to waste all that plat on a spell Im just going to upgrade. __________________ Original Signiture nerfed by Raijinn Thunderguard due to it being offensive to Slinkies - I know I need to update/modify my sig ... too lazy to do it

02-10-2006, 12:09 AM	#19
Rhe Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 43	Unless I missed it, there will be no upgrade to group wards, and thats got me a bit worried.

02-10-2006, 12:20 AM	#20
JoePa Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NJ Posts: 126	"Unless I missed it, there will be no upgrade to group wards, and thats got me a bit worried."Ditto...I thought we got upgrades every 14 levels? Wouldn't this put Group Ward upgrade at level 70? Hope those level 70-75 mobs dont hit too hard........

02-10-2006, 12:24 AM	#21
Broomhilda Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 363	JoePa wrote:"Unless I missed it, there will be no upgrade to group wards, and thats got me a bit worried."Ditto...I thought we got upgrades every 14 levels? Wouldn't this put Group Ward upgrade at level 70? Hope those level 70-75 mobs dont hit too hard........ Yes its there, check the spell list first post...Carrion Bulwark. I'm sure that's the group ward, however there is no picture for it. Thats whats throwing you off.

02-10-2006, 12:41 AM	#22
Lirnafel Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 13	Hmm, my Master 1 debuffs (degenerate, abhorrence) are better than their T7 Adept 3 upgrades. Is there anything i missed? __________________ Lothriel - Dark Elf Defiler Iron Rangers - Mistmoore Server

02-10-2006, 12:54 AM	#23
Calison Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4	I notices that too.

02-10-2006, 01:34 AM	#24
Ixnay Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 539	Broomhilda wrote: Yes its there, check the spell list first post...Carrion Bulwark. I'm sure that's the group ward, however there is no picture for it. Thats whats throwing you off. There's a screen shot for Carrion Bullwark above - it's in the last set of screen shots. I posted it a little out of order based on the geometry of the screens. __________________ Elleffgee (LFG), Chaotic Legion, Kithicor EQ2Flames.com Got Flames?

02-10-2006, 01:41 AM	#25
Ixnay Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 539	Lirnafel wrote:Hmm, my Master 1 debuffs (degenerate, abhorrence) are better than their T7 Adept 3 upgrades. Is there anything i missed? This is an excellent point - my Master 1 Abhorrence, for example, has a 32 percent chance to reduce all stats, and is less resistable than Malignancy, which is a higher level spell with only a 28% chance to reduce all stats. If Abhorrence and Malignancy do exactly the same thing, which as far as I can tell is true on beta, why would I ever want to replace Abhorrence with Malignancy? Even if I got a Master 1 of Malignancy, why would I even scribe it if I was no better off than I would be using my existing Master 1 Abhorrence? I think the upgrades for Abhorrence and Degenerate need to either reduce a greater percent of stats, or add some feature, or be less resistable, otherwise they have no purpose, and I would never bother replacing the lower spells. Thank you __________________ Elleffgee (LFG), Chaotic Legion, Kithicor EQ2Flames.com Got Flames?

02-10-2006, 01:45 AM	#26
Broomhilda Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 363	Ixnay wrote: Broomhilda wrote: Yes its there, check the spell list first post...Carrion Bulwark. I'm sure that's the group ward, however there is no picture for it. Thats whats throwing you off. There's a screen shot for Carrion Bullwark above - it's in the last set of screen shots. I posted it a little out of order based on the geometry of the screens. Ah, so there is no group ward then? odd.

02-10-2006, 01:50 AM	#27
Ixnay Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 539	Broomhilda wrote: Ah, so there is no group ward then? odd. Good catch - I'm not sure whether this is an oversight or intended. Before anyone makes an outraged defiler post on this, can someone please check and see whether all other priest classes get all their previous group specials upgraded in KoS, or whether those have been left out of the upgrades for the other priests also. __________________ Elleffgee (LFG), Chaotic Legion, Kithicor EQ2Flames.com Got Flames?

02-10-2006, 01:54 AM	#28
Gravewolf Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 68	I believe I saw other priest classes posting about missing group (specialty) heals. Either intentional or an oversight across the board.

02-10-2006, 01:55 AM	#29
Erage Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 89	They were suppose to be getting rid of spell upgrades for the line of spells that are based off of %'s. There is absolutely no reason for them to upgrade this line if they are just making it exactly the same but cost more power. The thing about the Revulsion line is that there isn't a single upgrade to this line that does anything different but add more power to cast. Master 1 Revulsion will lower attributes by 32%, the exact same amount as Master 1 Abhorrence, but has half the power cost as Abhorrence. They just added a new lvl 7 defiler spell on that line called Repulsion that costs only 13 power. Can't say for certain, but I'd guess that it too debuffs the exact same %'s as all the other spells in it's line. I just dont see a point in them continueing on with this spell line.

02-10-2006, 02:10 AM	#30
Erage Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 89	Both Shamans and Druids do not have their speciality heals and instead they have the upgrade to the lvl 58 resistance/hp buff. Templars and Inquisitors both have Dire Intercession and Malevolent Diatribe, lvl 70 specialty heals. I assume this is an oversight for Shamans and Druids and instead of the lvl 58 upgrades, we should have our specialty heals.