Defiler solo?

[Bardrick]

I have read that a Defiler can solo, not the best, but not the worst either.  I have not seen anything since the past patch (yes I use advanced search). Was wondering, can we solo?  I am about to hit level 20, and I need to start heading to TS or Nek for harvesting my new level resources.  There is no way to avoid all the mobs all the time.  If I get jumped by an even con no arrow mob, can I solo it? I also have a level 25 Ranger (one good, one evil, I like to see it al), but the harvesting skills are almost non exsistant.  Would I be better off going back and level the harvesting skills, or can I just keep my Defiler for it all? Thank you in advance for your input.

[NimSul]

Defilers solo very well, at high lvl at least. You should have no problem whatsoever killing even con no arrow mobs, and with some training/good gear white/yellow up arrows wont kill you either. The drawback is that we solo very very slow compared to most other classes, but we are hard to kill :smileyhappy:

[VizP]

Well come on very very slow is a relative thing - comparison to what, DPS classes? Firstly yes.. if you are comparing to say a necro or a conjuror, yes we will kill slower but these guys are loaded with dot or DD offence.. what does one expect? But out of the priest classes we are in fact one of the best AND fastest soloers for the simply fact that our only real competition - furies get much more severe resists on their DDs than we do on our DOTs on higher mobs (observed and tested with a same lvl fury). So do with as priests solo slower than all other classes? Well think of it this way - we can easily solo faster than a large number (tanks - see guardians, paladins, all other priests... furies are only ones in same level) and around the same speed as certain mages (see coercers and illusionists who have low dps for the mage class). But we are slower than DPS specific classes such as most rogues and obv damage mages. So yes middle of the line in terms of speed in the grand game which is great for a priest! What about how hard mobs we can take? Well im almost 50 and I dont even have ebon armour because I have been saving for cobalt (flew through the 40s so wasnt worth the investment) - so with jsut fulginate from a broker, I can solo yellow one ups in SS only using a little over half my power! If Ihad higher mitigation Id be taking a lot less damage too on the wards. If non heroic I can take a double up yellow.. its only heroics that are problematic only because of their huge health and damage output! As we climb through 50s, we get Maelstrom, Cannabalise, Spiritual Circle etc and we can solo things that most classes can not solo at all (once more the exceptions are those mages that root and nuke and again pet classes). So simply: All levels ; Middle range soloing speed Lower levels: Average to good soloing abilitity Middle levels: good soloing ability High levels (50+): Very good soloing ability. Basically a fine wine that tastes good right from the start but if you leave it a while ends up being something quite special.

Message Edited by VizP on 11-09-2005 09:34 AM

[Azeda]

Couldn't have said it better VIzP

[radical_EDWARD]

hold on, we can solo faster than Furies, Warden, and inquis? said who? Defilers have the worst DPS out of any priest class, cept for maybe templars. Have you took your time and look at what Druids can dish out? OK back to the OP, can defiler solo. That depends on what do you want to solo, do you want to go out and solo name for loot? or do you want to solo for EXP?. If you want to solo for exp, you really need to look at a dps class. No healer class have the offensive ability to go solo and hope for any kind of good exp, its not goin to happen. As for soloing big name for loot, unless you are lvl 60 and have all of your ancient teaching spells, defiler are not even close to a good soloer since our dps is trash. At lvl60 you do have the spells to prolong the fight and in term will let you solo some of the harder heroic out there, and even then it would be a VERY LONG and boring fight. Before revamp, our solo ability live and die by Purulence and Purulence alone. Without the Shadow avengers and no new offensive skill, we are very average when it come to soloing.

[posseder]

i think if someone actualy runs that dps hack when using all dot available on a  defiler in comparison to other  priest class you will come to the sad conclusion that a defiler as tons of dps.next time someone as it ill ask to check it with other healer and maybe ill post our dps number if i feel like getting nerf.in short i really dont feel my defiler dps [Removed for Content] at all.

[sirmamabe]

YES!  We can defently solo.  Ussually solo xp about half of each level.  Quests give great xp now.  One thing I would sugest is to get the imbued armor and shield.  The little extra dps/healing is nice.  Also sacrifice some wis and grab some int gear to up the dps side. Doloris -57 at the moment

[Bardrick]

In the mid levels how many DOTs can we stack at one time?

[NimSul]

Well someone here sure is a better dps defiler than me. Lets change this around. Can some of you guys that can rival druid/tank dps post some tips and tricks as to how they do it?

[Eileithia]

Here's what I do..

Buffs for soloing:
Tendrils
Dread Invective (nice melee proc)
Our 3 Group buffs
Harbinger
Wraith form

Group ward before pull.
Single target:
Pull with Slow
Forced Cannibalize - Coil - Trigger HO - Imprecation - Suppuration - Corruption - Trigger HO - Imprecation - Imprecation - Coil - Trigger HO - Imprecation - Suppuration - Imprecation - Trigger HO - Imprecation - Forced Canni - Imprecation - Trigger HO Imprecation - Coil - Suppuration - Corruption - Trigger HO.... rise, repeat as necessary..

I basically try to have Coil, Imprecation, Corruption, Suppuration, and Foced Canni on the mob at all times.. if all timers are down, I will toss out a slow just for fun, or even land the Sheilding line so I don't have to ward as much. Ward when down (Single only)

I only use Malestrom in multi target situations, and I will group ward, Corruption, Malestrom, and go to the bathroom. then follow the chain above on each mob.. priest class first.. if fighting a priest class I will toss out the Crystalize line, especially if it's a cleric type.

 

I do have INT gear, and can get my INT up to about 180-200ish when it's all swapped out, but I sacrifice Mitigation for doing it.. they die faster, but so could I.. my regular WIZ set is very safe, but very slow.

 

[sostrows]

Pull mob with Fear.

Nail debuffs on it.  Abhorrence for small HP reduction.

If its white^ or below, ill rely on reactive ward and not worry about warding myself.  This is where imdued BP comes in nicely.  Plus Tendrils wont proc till a ward is down.

Keep Coil, Suppuration, Imprecation, Forced going with HOs.  Melee enough for Dread to proc, especially on a mana user mob.

 

With grps, pull with Aphotic then pop Maelstrom.  Once Maelstrom wears off, kill off one at a time while still using Aphotic.

 

I can solo blue heriocs.  Have not even tried white heriocs till 58 spell.

 

Gear is legendary and spells at A3.

 

It's definately slower with the debuffs but generally im only soloing for qst kills not for xp/hour rates.

Message Edited by sostrows on 11-10-2005 10:56 AM

[radical_EDWARD]

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NimSul wrote:
Well someone here sure is a better dps defiler than me. Lets change this around. Can some of you guys that can rival druid/tank dps post some tips and tricks as to how they do it?

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lol personally i think people are just stupid. i guess the fact that our aoe do about 150 and druids aoe do about 1500 doesnt mean much, because somehow defilers have some uba dps that i dont freaking know.

[Eileithia]

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radical_EDWARD wrote:

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NimSul wrote:
Well someone here sure is a better dps defiler than me. Lets change this around. Can some of you guys that can rival druid/tank dps post some tips and tricks as to how they do it?

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lol personally i think people are just stupid. i guess the fact that our aoe do about 150 and druids aoe do about 1500 doesnt mean much, because somehow defilers have some uba dps that i dont freaking know.

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Because thiers is a DD with a VERY long cast and recast time, and ours is a DoT.. the overall damage is approx the same (Fury's being slightly higher). theirs is just up-front damage.

[VizP]

Radical - honestly no offence but you have a very bad concept of the defiler DPS - in your mind you seem to believe we are the weakest DPS when its commonly known to pretty much everyone, priest class or otherwise that we are one of the best in the priest line if not the best (argument is simply fury vs defiler as a close contest). If you are looking at DD damage of furies, you are not looking at recast times, cast times or even resistance times (and not looking at resistance is pretty silly). Nor are you looking at the total damage all of our stacked dots does to something on top of having ruinious being spammed on it... I think tis fair to say such posts would have been a little tiring pre patch when the defiler situation was tough but post patch there os no question on this. We are edging out furies as the best DPS priest and they are out only competition. I was duoing with a fury friend of mine same lvl and if I pulled he could NOT get aggro from my DOTS at any point. His nukes had a much higher chance of getting resisted than my DOTS and that is a standard thing. Yes furies belt out a lot of damage but we have lower resistances and huge damage by the end of a fight while they are slower and likely to not hit some of their spells. Because this I pretty much carried him in anything yellow and over since he couldn't do jack. Anyway we heal second to no one (see best heal in game - sacrificial line and best power to heal ratio due to health use) and group wards are the best priest healing utility available bar none (no need to xplai hopefully(. We are also one of the best priest soloers because of all of this (wards plus high dots plus warding pet at 58 = the win) and right at the top half of the games best soloers after pet and root/nukers. And thats pretty much it. If honestly you are having troubles, it is completely your end trust me. In fact I am so confident about this that this sort of discussion doesnt bother me at all.. its like someone telling me an apple is an orange. If the above explanation does nothing for you, I think you are in the wrong class.  As a defiler solo Ive pretty much done anything every other class have all by myself (apart from some things pet classes and wizards/warlocks do with root and nuke) and i think most of my friends know for a fact that defilers are pretty [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] impressive to the point of rolling one themselves post patch. I dont think they are going to get far though simply because defilers are  very unique acquired taste (we are one of the rarest classes). So if you want tips ask for them (you seem to have ignored the ones that have been given above). But you are way off base if you are going to take area damage numbers of furies and use 'that' as your basis for defiler suppsoed dps weakness Good luck anyway...

Message Edited by VizP on 11-10-2005 08:48 PM

[posseder]

yea i aggree with last post my corruption does 100 dam every 4 sec for 24 sec and decrease mititgation with dismay doing 350 every 6 sec for 36 sec so lets see rougly i can ae for 2800 while giving life n power to group and hold a constant ward the whole time im stun.yea we really [Removed for Content]

 

[radical_EDWARD]

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VizP wrote:
Radical - honestly no offence but you have a very bad concept of the defiler DPS - in your mind you seem to believe we are the weakest DPS when its commonly known to pretty much everyone, priest class or otherwise that we are one of the best in the priest line if not the best (argument is simply fury vs defiler as a close contest). If you are looking at DD damage of furies, you are not looking at recast times, cast times or even resistance times (and not looking at resistance is pretty silly). Nor are you looking at the total damage all of our stacked dots does to something on top of having ruinious being spammed on it...

I think tis fair to say such posts would have been a little tiring pre patch when the defiler situation was tough but post patch there os no question on this. We are edging out furies as the best DPS priest and they are out only competition. I was duoing with a fury friend of mine same lvl and if I pulled he could NOT get aggro from my DOTS at any point. His nukes had a much higher chance of getting resisted than my DOTS and that is a standard thing. Yes furies belt out a lot of damage but we have lower resistances and huge damage by the end of a fight while they are slower and likely to not hit some of their spells. Because this I pretty much carried him in anything yellow and over since he couldn't do jack.

Message Edited by VizP on 11-10-2005 08:48 PM

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lol [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], this is so too funny, do you really want me to serve you that bad? should i make this guy looks stupid? or should i make him looks stupid?

ok i could care less about how you and your nub friend duo and how you can hold agro. I only care about facts and numbers. so here goes..;......

Warden nuke does more than 200 dmg than us , and actually even more because they have self INT buff

aoe druids do about 3 times more dps than our corruption aoe. Again these number would be higher ingame because they can buff int

 

mmmm.. druids dont have dots? chect out the recast on the fury kill swam again, these numbers are much higher in game

 

mmmm... elemental mobs, SC for the win

last and not least, druids get Nature ally and Ring of fire for their ancient teaching spell, both are OFFENSIVE DPS spells, with NA doing about 150 dps and ring of fire doing 60-75 dps and is a true aoe.

again i cannot stress that druids have insane INT buff and can get their int over 300 without a sweat, making them much better dps caster than any other healers.

so....... stills think that defilers are the best dps priest?

 

 

 

[Deadly Nightshadow]

Radical.....we can stack DoTs.....say we stack 2 or 3 we're talking at least 3000-5000 damage every 20-30 seconds so...yes Radical, we are pretty good at DPS....now...this is a Defiler forum so if you don't mind, go toddle off to your Mummy in the Fury forum. Bye bye now.

[t0iletduck]

As to the OP question, defilers can solo. It's just slow, but it pretty safe with our awesome wards and healing abilities. The previous posters have posted great tips on how to solo with a defiler. As for all the discussion about healer dps numbers, it is almost amusing. From my own parses grouping a lot with 50+ guildie inquisitors, templars, and furies, I can say without a doubt that a fury skunks a defiler for dps. I wish i could post some of the stats here but i didn't save them and im at work. (My aphotic and maelstom are adept3) Anyway, if dps is what you're after, don't roll a healer. I love my defiler because its a unique class, and especially after DoF because of the wards, powerful debuffs, and strong direct heals. As with most of you, im mostly concerned with keeping the tank and group alive using wards and heals.

[VizP]

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Message Edited by Raijinn Thunderguard on 11-22-2005 10:04 AM

[iciss19]

" If I get jumped by an even con no arrow mob, can I solo it? "

Yeah, my defiler is 25 and I never solo with him because it'd be insanely slow but he'd mop the floor with an even con.  When he does have to solo he can do it very safely, three whites is no problem, three yellows mana starts becoming an issue.  If your just worried about getting from point a to point b safely you should be ok (I actually took racial invis so I'd have a way through the toughest areas), but trying to solo for xp would be really slow compared to other classes.

 

 

[Eileithia]

Just a note for you Iciss.. Racial invis, is a 3 minute stationary invis.. you cannot move.. but it's good if you have to AFK in a dangerous area..

Message Edited by Duntzzzz on 11-16-2005 06:45 AM

[sostrows]

At 50+ with Adept3+ spells, Legendary gear but poor INT. I'm gonna throw these numbers again. Solo: 90-150 DPS on white^, 100DPS on yellow^, 300DPS on green groups of mobs. Full Group (high DPS, ^^^ mob): 120-180DPS Full Group (low DPS, hard ^^^ mob only healer): 0-30 DPS Highest DPS ~400 trioing green mob group of 8 wiht Aphotic/Maelstrom. Kill time soloing a white^ is about 30-50 sec.  Plan for more time if mob is a healer and starts healing itself.

[VizP]

To those screaming fury uberness, take a look around priest forums and other forums. This is happening: Furies: we are so amazing now! Other priest classes: You are too amazing now! SOE: . So for those posting with fury characters, keep doing what you are doing The biggest irony is that the furies so pleased with how they are may end up hurting their class more than they should. This is a MMO for heavens sake and this is SOE...

[iciss19]

"Just a note for you Iciss.. Racial invis, is a 3 minute stationary invis.. you cannot move.. but it's good if you have to AFK in a dangerous area.. "

Just fyi, you can move.  I've had it for over 10 levels now and usually use it a couple times a night.  Its on a 30 minute recharge which sucks but it still comes in very handy in many situations.

[Eileithia]

that must have changed since the CR.. (If we're talking about the DarkElf Racial trait Inviz) as it was stationary before then..

[iciss19]

"that must have changed since the CR.. (If we're talking about the DarkElf Racial trait Inviz) as it was stationary before then.. "

Yes, its called Shrouded something or other, the dark elf racial ability. 

Not sure about when/if it was changed, I didn't start playing until post CR, and only rolled the defiler about a month or so ago.  Its never been stationary since I've had it though.

[radical_EDWARD]

blah invis totem FTW. i carry about 4 on me at all time.

[t0iletduck]

I had Iksar racial invis before DoF and it was stationary. Awesome if you can move with it now. I found stationary invis useless and regretted choosing it when I originally lvl'd up my defiler. I went with all the +wis, power pool, and power regen as i could post DoF. However, chameleon totems for the win

[Broomhilda]

Totems have changed my game. I can now run and finish up those little quests that were lingering because no inviser class was available to run me thru and I didnt feel like training thru and dying. I have also been able to complete most of Poets palace access which require running thru the different places and collecting stuff. Gotta agree, Cameo Totems FTW!

[iciss19]

"I had Iksar racial invis before DoF and it was stationary. Awesome if you can move with it now."

 

Yeah,that would suck, I can't even think what you'd use it for (AFK in a bad area isn't really applicable cus of the duration)

 

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"totems ftw", etc - various people

I haven't used the chameleon totem yet, its my understanding that you have to be adventurer level 30.  Also, I've heard that it grants a fixed, low level version of stealth, instead of granting you stealth equal to your adventurer level.  Can anyone confirm/deny?

 

Message Edited by iciss1969 on 11-18-2005 11:26 AM