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11-06-2005, 08:33 AM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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OK gang, I have changed for a defiler to a class that can solo so my Defiler is officially an alt so I am not sweeting it much anymore but was wondering if I can go back to playing my defiler after the next patch? I mean are we getting any boosts or perhaps a pet or some way to give us some DPS? Word on the street is out for defilers as lousy healers which makes getting a group tuff and soloing is still impossible. For instance I went to play my defiler up a lvl (needed 2%) not bad...a snap right. I never could get a group in 3 hours of play time in EL and in that 3 hours I spent killing turtles at a rate of about one every 5 min. The turtles are green non heroic and the entire experience was mind numbing bordom. I love the toon I started with and it was fun up to 43rd lvl but now it is just no fun what so ever. I have updated spells to Adpt but not III and my gear is top dollar but with such slow DPS soloing is to boring and slow and getting a group is near impossible...give me a pet rat or something. You hard core defiler players must be a paticent bunch as I do not want to spend my game hours waiting for a desperate group to pick up the bottom feeder of healers or spend 3 hours getting 2% exp... Someone tell me SONY is giving us something...anything. Rattan a Retired 43rd lvl defiler...part time foraging specialist.
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11-06-2005, 06:13 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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I found soloing very easy with my defiler. Ofcourse soloing is extremely boring (also hated it with my wizard), but i can kill yellows without a problem. Not sure how it can take you 5 mins to kill a green, with adept1's i do it a bit faster. Ofc not as fast as a dps class, but thats why they're dps and we.. healers.
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11-06-2005, 07:20 PM
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Join Date: Dec 2004
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I have found soloing on my defiler (57 right now) is extremely easy. It's very boring as it takes 10 min to actually kill something but it is easy. and I honestly don't have any trouble finding groups b/c I am a defiler. I have actually found that I'm wanted more in groups them clerics. Also a mystic and defiler combo are pretty good right now. The main goal us my healer is NOT DPS at all, most of hte time I get made fun of my DPS b/c it is so lacking, but nobody has ever claimed I couldn't heal. If you are havingtrouble finding groups b/c they don't think defiler's can heal then the groups you are finding are people that don't know what they are missing.
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11-06-2005, 08:21 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 71
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Defilers as lousy healers? Maybe pre expansion. Post expansion at lvl 55 I'm single target warding for almost 1,400, I have the highest single target direct heal in the game, The highest hp buffs in the game, and some of the best debuffs (24% slow, 24%ish dps reduction, str and agi debuffs, 24% reduction to all mobs stats, and over 100 wis debuff essentially lowering ALL the mobs resists). Lousey healer? I think not. Go trio with a monk and warlock sometime.
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11-06-2005, 08:47 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2005
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Would love to trio with types...can not get a group. Have looked for one all weekend and not one invite. Soloing is as stated slow and to me too boring. If I could get on and get a group within an hour I might have some fun with this class. Even after reading this entire site and doing what is suggested to solo I do not get it...as for groups the last one I had ened up with me getting constantly killed as I gain all the argo. (Shielding late into combat)
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11-06-2005, 09:33 PM
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Join Date: Jul 2005
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Playing a healer isnt for everyone. At lvl 52 i can solo stuff fine, it just takes a long time and is boring. Same was true before expansion in my opinion. However I don't like to solo, same with my brigand and zerker alts. Is it faster solo'ing with the brigand and zerker? Absolutely. As far as finding groups, be sure to use the lfg channel and adverstise there. I can usually find a group within 15 minutes, so i fill the time by harvesting. There is a lot of defiler ignorance but that usually isnt a problem 45+. I believe part of this is because of how rare defilers are. Defilers are by no means second rate healers, especially considering our debuffs, wards, and high direct heals. Also, if its really slow finding a group, start one of your own. It can be a little anoying to have someone say "Can you heal" but usually once people have grouped with a defiler, they will keep us in mind that we are indeed great healers. I had a previous thread where i asked what was the highest lvl person who didnt know that a defiler was a healer. My record is still a 47 pally who didn't know what a Defiler was. Sad but true. As you have a semi competent tank, getting agro right away wont be a problem. Keep in mind that wards generate agro now so the mobs will go after you first thing until the mobs have been taunted or hit by someone else. However, if you're not having fun, then perhaps another class is for you. Just my 2 copper.
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11-06-2005, 10:29 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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I'm mostly duoing heriocs (blue/white) with a berserker friend atm which works very well. But ofcourse that may not help for your problem. I only get aggro in groups if the tank is slacking and not taunting enough, especially on the pull. Also if we get an add thats pulled by proximity or low damage then the wards make it go to me. Message Edited by Tanith_ on 11-06-2005 06:30 PM |
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11-07-2005, 07:41 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 558
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Bottom feeder of healers? Post patch? I dont know what to say - quite incredible. You realise we are second to none after patch in terms of being a group healer right? I have not met a single defiler who thinks otherwise except you and now it seems the public consensus is that defilers are right up there at the top of the healing pile.... jeez. As for soloing, I was great at soloing pre patch, I am amazing soloing patch. Group ward, DOT pull, debuff, second DOT, mitigation debuff/dd, proc ward, dot dot dd HO HO. I can kill yellow one and two up arrows easily at lvl 48 and I can kill heroics depending on the situation. You cant find a group, you think you are a poor healer when in truth defilers are powerful post patch, and you dont know how to solo as a defiler. I think perhaps you need another class. P.S I cant believe you are 43 - when I was 43 people kept spamming me for groups when my LFG was OFF. I needed to keep telling them I couldnt group. Talk about such a different life... now adays I have waited a max of 10 mins with a lfg on before i get picked up.
Message Edited by VizP on 11-06-2005 06:43 PM |
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11-07-2005, 03:55 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2005
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I hear what your saying about being frustrated man...i think most of the higher lvl defilers went through the same feeling in the lvl 40 range, which is one reason our community is as small as it is...alot of ppl chose not to stick it out pre - expansion. My advice to you would be to trudge on through it, if u wanna be a healer. As far as the healing class goes as a whole, we're argueably the best class atm. Trust me, once u hit 58 the light WILL shine lol Our strengths lie in our debuffs as far as soloing is concerned... unless they increase priest dps all around, i wouldnt expect too much of a change in the solo area. Try to focus on being a good healer first & the rest will come as far as learning the class =)
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11-09-2005, 04:43 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2004
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for the OP: try finding a dualing partner. (tank or pet caster work great) you can do about 50% of the game dualing. trio with a dirge or warlock is great also. you might have to join a decent size guild as most folks are guilded >40. you might have to spend some time tyring to find a partner but once you get one, life is good. the tank-healer relationship is special. Message Edited by sostrows on 11-08-2005 03:44 PM |
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11-09-2005, 11:03 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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If you can't find a group, I'd suggest what I suggest to anyone that says that.. START ONE OF YOUR OWN! :smileywink: Go through the players LFG (There's always a couple) and grab someone around your level.. Decide on a place to fight, and you're golden.. and hell .. you might actually meet someone.. It blows my mind that people will wait for like 3 hours with their LFG tag up, but never actually go through the list of the other people that are waiting 3 hours with their LFG tag up to see if they actually want to do something, or just sit and complain that they're not getting a group.. Grab any fighter class within 3-5 levels of you, any Mage, any scout, any other priest, and you have a rockin group that can take down anything.. I don't know why some people are so afraid to send a tell to someone saying "hey.. you wanna Duo X mobs and get some XP?".. or if you have an objective.. say.. "I'm forming a group for X zone.. you wanna help?" There are always people LFG, and half of them are saying the same thing you are.. "How come I never get an invite".. Toss out your own invite and go.
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11-09-2005, 11:36 PM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
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Thought I'd add my two cents. Since hitting level 52, now with adept III forced cannabalize, I can solo ^^^green heroics. Used to get wiped, but now can kill within 2 minutes. Very fun. Also helps with some quests that require you to kill those otherwise unsoloable mobs. By the way, I was just in a rahotep raid the other night and was complimented about my healing and warding by a level 60 inquisitor. Level 60 inquis telling a level 52 defiler that they did great... imo, defilers ROCK! I'm lovin my toon pre- and post-patch... Although I guess I'm one of those people that look at the bright side of things (ie. instead of playing my defiler I could be at work or cleaning my bathroom or getting audited by the IRS). Osler |
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11-11-2005, 12:01 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: NJ
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I started EQ2 post expansion, coming over from WOW where I played a level 60 raiding priest. I have to say that healing with a defiler is 10x easier than that was. I get groups constantly and I am only level 29 atm. On multiple occasions of I have gotten comments like like "Man, our bars don't move, you are doing great". Those same people routinely send tells asking me to group. In addition, the utility and usefulness of most our spells/abilties is amazing. I hope the devs don't read these boards to often, because if they do, I imagine the nerf bat will swing. I hardly see any compliants from defilers on these boards. Soloing feels easier than a couple of other classes that I have tried, and can readily solo yellow one ups. Will be easier when I get the upgrade to the DD line.
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11-11-2005, 09:57 AM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
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Situation is pretty clear - post patch even a half decent player defiler will wow groups because of our abilities and the word is spreading fast we are damned formidable (to the point of some ranking defiler as the no.1 priest in silly little comparison threads that pop up). Underpowered? Heh
 Honestly post patch asking that is just funny 
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11-11-2005, 11:07 AM
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 363
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Rattan, what server are you on? Whats the population like? THere are many reasons for not getting a group nowadays including low populations, time of day, etc. I find that I get a group fairly easily closer to the weekend and all during the weekend. Mondays,, Tues, Weds, its kinda slow. But this is many classes, not just ours. I have a warlock friend that sits on LFG regularly! I think some of the other posters here have an idea...start a group of your own. I was once sitting on LFG for about 15 mins once and then out of curiosity checked who else was on it...welll...there were a few tanks, a few dps and 2 wardens all around my level! I quickly put a group together and we had a blast doing cyclops for hours with half the group dinging to thier next level. Insofar as healing abilities I think most 40 plus players with any knowledge of the game know that the Defilers day has come and we rock as healers post patch. I get invites from other guilds to attend thier raids and instance hopping all the time, most of which I must refuse so I dont mess up my timers for my own guild raids. I have also been pleasantly surprised of just how much other players know about defilers. A tank made mention to me just the other day that he knew about the shaman (ward) issues and that post-patch he absolutely loves grouping with us, Defiler in particular. He said and I quote: "You guys are such dam good healers now not just because soe fixed ya, but becuase you had to work so dam hard before your skills as healers are just better than most other healing classes!" End quote :smileywink: |
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11-11-2005, 03:58 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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*sniff*. Nice to see defiler all grown up. I came back using the 7 day returnee trial now though, and it seems overwhelming to return to all those abilities. I left my defiler and EQ2 at level 39 because WoW came out and defiler was frankly getting boring and I could see how bad things were. So to come back now it's like eek, I don't know what my abilities do. I started an alt to try get the hang of the general EQ2 thing again but I fear 7 days may run out before that and not sure if I want to carry on Anyway, I'll take peoples word for it that defilers are fixed now, happy endings are always nice.
Message Edited by Di0XiDe on 11-11-2005 10:59 AM
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11-11-2005, 08:14 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2004
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This is really the reason that we own so much.. we did have it VERY hard before, and we got used to using absolutely every tool in our belt.. that now post update, where you HAVE to use every tool in your belt the other priest classes just don't understand it.. They are still trying to cast their one or two spells that they were casting before, and that simply won't allow them to keep up with the damage anymore.. I've actually found life has gotten a LOT easier for Defilers since this revamp, and I've found nights where I've actually been bored healing because it was almost too easy :smileywink: Anyhow.. this tank friend of yours hit the nail on the head with this statement!
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11-12-2005, 12:24 AM
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"You guys are such dam good healers now not just because soe fixed ya, but becuase you had to work so dam hard before your skills as healers are just better than most other healing classes!" End quote  I can not argue with this statement, AT ALL ! pre-patch was a struggle but always fun, and post-patch i'm soloing things i never thought i would be able to. I have only seriously played my Defiler (all the way to 50, i can't believe i made it :smileyvery-happy: ) and really don't think i'd have it any other way. I constantly get invites, and i feel as though i bring a lot to any group, but my personal favorite group has been with my RL friend who is an assassin, insane DPS, we have had no trouble taking on anything that we come across. Defilers own as far as i'm concerend. :smileyhappy:
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11-12-2005, 01:07 AM
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Join Date: Feb 2005
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11-12-2005, 07:47 AM
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Join Date: Dec 2004
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i just tank the mob if its a scout dual. pull with an HO which will let u keep agro at least for 1/2 the fight. lets the scout do some backstabs too
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