A suggestion on our achievements.

canislupus64 · 01-26-2007, 09:03 AM

I sent this off to a dev as a suggestion of our aa's. I dont expect them to change the AA around but i just want to modify them a bit to become a bit more usefull. Neither of my suggestions are over powered and other classes get the same basic ability, I just want to be able to give something to my group thats not all stamina, i just want something that makes our class decent and not the reject healer class.

Hello I am a mystic and I have gone down the achievement lines and I like the achievment we get called Ancestry and Weapon mastery.

I was just wondering is there any possibility to have ancestry changed from a single buff to a group buff? Templars, dirges, and warlocks all get a group buff to change trigger percents and we are the only class with a single buff instead of a group buff.

Another suggestion is could weapon mastery be a single target buff instead of a passive ability. Weapon mastery is a very nice abiliity but it could be used to buff a tank or a major melee classes ability.

Please respond and tell me what you think.

dennis · 01-26-2007, 12:44 PM

Sounds like a good idea to me

Eepop · 01-27-2007, 01:58 AM

While those would be nice, they would be very overpowered. Ancestry is worded differently than all those other trigger-change abilities. Ours gives a significant boost to one person, the others give a smaller bonus to the whole group. Fighters already have the massive +skill that weapon mastery gives from thier stances, doubling it up would be insane.

canislupus64 · 01-27-2007, 07:27 AM

If a tank is in defensive stance then they lower there offensive skills and thus can not hit the mob effectivly. Thus weapon mastery would allow a tank to be in defensive and actually hit the mob since most raid mobs are lvl 75 and are hard to hit. Weapon mastery could also be put on a scout to allow them to more easily hit the mob and/or transfer hate. Its not overpower, but is very [I cannot control my vocabulary] to make it passive ability for mystics. Most content have short range AE's or metered AE's in which makes the spell useless as we are not meleeing.

Ancestry is worded differently but it would be no where near overpowered to make it a group buff.

I feel mystics have been screwed over many times. Defilers are overpowered in comparison to mystics. They have insane power regen ability and out buff us in most instances. Give us something to balance a little.

SonnyA · 01-31-2007, 03:12 PM

canislupus64 wrote:
If a tank is in defensive stance then they lower there offensive skills and thus can not hit the mob effectivly. Thus weapon mastery would allow a tank to be in defensive and actually hit the mob since most raid mobs are lvl 75 and are hard to hit. Weapon mastery could also be put on a scout to allow them to more easily hit the mob and/or transfer hate. Its not overpower, but is very [I cannot control my vocabulary] to make it passive ability for mystics. Most content have short range AE's or metered AE's in which makes the spell useless as we are not meleeing.

Ancestry is worded differently but it would be no where near overpowered to make it a group buff.

I feel mystics have been screwed over many times. Defilers are overpowered in comparison to mystics. They have insane power regen ability and out buff us in most instances. Give us something to balance a little.

Guardians and berserkers have an AA line that negates the negative parts of their stances (both offensive and defensive).And all this talk about defilers being better than mystics. I disagree. They're different, but why better? They can't group cure arcane like us, and that's far more important than to group cure trauma. Also, they don't have a single target cure that affects all types of debuffs. They can't bolster, they can't torpor. Better dps? Maybe, but who cares? Better HP buffs? It might be 300-500hp better than a mystics buffage, but on a tank with nearly 15k hps, that's not much of a difference.I don't envy defilers and they shouldn't envy me.

canislupus64 · 02-03-2007, 09:38 PM

SonnyA wrote:

canislupus64 wrote:

If a tank is in defensive stance then they lower there offensive skills and thus can not hit the mob effectivly. Thus weapon mastery would allow a tank to be in defensive and actually hit the mob since most raid mobs are lvl 75 and are hard to hit. Weapon mastery could also be put on a scout to allow them to more easily hit the mob and/or transfer hate. Its not overpower, but is very [I cannot control my vocabulary] to make it passive ability for mystics. Most content have short range AE's or metered AE's in which makes the spell useless as we are not meleeing.

Ancestry is worded differently but it would be no where near overpowered to make it a group buff.

I feel mystics have been screwed over many times. Defilers are overpowered in comparison to mystics. They have insane power regen ability and out buff us in most instances. Give us something to balance a little.

Guardians and berserkers have an AA line that negates the negative parts of their stances (both offensive and defensive).

And all this talk about defilers being better than mystics. I disagree. They're different, but why better? They can't group cure arcane like us, and that's far more important than to group cure trauma. Also, they don't have a single target cure that affects all types of debuffs. They can't bolster, they can't torpor. Better dps? Maybe, but who cares? Better HP buffs? It might be 300-500hp better than a mystics buffage, but on a tank with nearly 15k hps, that's not much of a difference.

I don't envy defilers and they shouldn't envy me.

Ok first off, The warrior AA tree that negates the penalties of the warriors stances is a horrible line. I dont know of any warriors that would choose that line in a serious raiding guild.

OMG a group arcane cure, ohh wait in a group others will have a group arcane. So this is pointless to even bring up.

Lets see, ancient balm compared to voice of the ancestors. Umm are you kidding me, you think ancient balm is better than haveing the ability to break a stun/stifle/daze and cure your group and other healers?

Bolster is a decent spell. It helps stablize pulls but its not all that great. I do agree bolster is better than defile but its one spell.

Torpor, this spell is a decent spell. Its not class defining but is a nice spell. Now compare it to the defiler version of their lvl 52 ancient teaching. This spell is Forced cannibalize. If you did not know this comes out to be about 60 FT. Not to mention they get an AA to covert 25% of health to 10% power. This then gives them the ability to almost never run out of power.

My final point is HP buffs. I take it your not in a raiding guild or your tank has the most horrible gear possible. I have tested over and over. Defilers give 1000+ hp and not to mention with their 5 piece set bonus its 100 more HP. Now go ask any tank of any of the top raiding guilds and tell them that 500 HP is nothing and not to worry about it and you will make them laugh till they wet themselves.

These boards are almost pointless to post on anyway. The devs do not listen because they do not understand the game. and then you have people post they have no clue what they are talking about. Call me an elitist or whatever you want to, but i wish there was atleast a handful of competent mystics that read these boards.

Sandain666 · 02-04-2007, 12:26 AM

I like the idea of Ancestry being a group buff. Sony would probably consider it overpowered though

Message Edited by Sandain666 on 02-03-2007 11:26 AM

Jatofyr324 · 02-04-2007, 02:24 PM

I though it was a group buff :smileysad:. Oh well, here comes the underdog.

SonnyA · 02-04-2007, 09:00 PM

canislupus64 wrote:

These boards are almost pointless to post on anyway. The devs do not listen because they do not understand the game. and then you have people post they have no clue what they are talking about. Call me an elitist or whatever you want to, but i wish there was atleast a handful of competent mystics that read these boards.

You hurt my feelings SMILEY

01-26-2007, 12:44 PM	#2
dennis General Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Denmark Posts: 37	Sounds like a good idea to me __________________ Askecia d'Highkeep lvl. 70 Mystic lvl 70 Jeweler

01-27-2007, 01:58 AM	#3
Eepop Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 704	While those would be nice, they would be very overpowered. Ancestry is worded differently than all those other trigger-change abilities. Ours gives a significant boost to one person, the others give a smaller bonus to the whole group. Fighters already have the massive +skill that weapon mastery gives from thier stances, doubling it up would be insane. __________________

01-31-2007, 03:12 PM	#5
SonnyA Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 578	canislupus64 wrote: If a tank is in defensive stance then they lower there offensive skills and thus can not hit the mob effectivly. Thus weapon mastery would allow a tank to be in defensive and actually hit the mob since most raid mobs are lvl 75 and are hard to hit. Weapon mastery could also be put on a scout to allow them to more easily hit the mob and/or transfer hate. Its not overpower, but is very [I cannot control my vocabulary] to make it passive ability for mystics. Most content have short range AE's or metered AE's in which makes the spell useless as we are not meleeing. Ancestry is worded differently but it would be no where near overpowered to make it a group buff. I feel mystics have been screwed over many times. Defilers are overpowered in comparison to mystics. They have insane power regen ability and out buff us in most instances. Give us something to balance a little. Guardians and berserkers have an AA line that negates the negative parts of their stances (both offensive and defensive).And all this talk about defilers being better than mystics. I disagree. They're different, but why better? They can't group cure arcane like us, and that's far more important than to group cure trauma. Also, they don't have a single target cure that affects all types of debuffs. They can't bolster, they can't torpor. Better dps? Maybe, but who cares? Better HP buffs? It might be 300-500hp better than a mystics buffage, but on a tank with nearly 15k hps, that's not much of a difference.I don't envy defilers and they shouldn't envy me.

02-03-2007, 09:38 PM	#6
canislupus64 Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 64	SonnyA wrote: canislupus64 wrote: If a tank is in defensive stance then they lower there offensive skills and thus can not hit the mob effectivly. Thus weapon mastery would allow a tank to be in defensive and actually hit the mob since most raid mobs are lvl 75 and are hard to hit. Weapon mastery could also be put on a scout to allow them to more easily hit the mob and/or transfer hate. Its not overpower, but is very [I cannot control my vocabulary] to make it passive ability for mystics. Most content have short range AE's or metered AE's in which makes the spell useless as we are not meleeing. Ancestry is worded differently but it would be no where near overpowered to make it a group buff. I feel mystics have been screwed over many times. Defilers are overpowered in comparison to mystics. They have insane power regen ability and out buff us in most instances. Give us something to balance a little. Guardians and berserkers have an AA line that negates the negative parts of their stances (both offensive and defensive). And all this talk about defilers being better than mystics. I disagree. They're different, but why better? They can't group cure arcane like us, and that's far more important than to group cure trauma. Also, they don't have a single target cure that affects all types of debuffs. They can't bolster, they can't torpor. Better dps? Maybe, but who cares? Better HP buffs? It might be 300-500hp better than a mystics buffage, but on a tank with nearly 15k hps, that's not much of a difference. I don't envy defilers and they shouldn't envy me. Ok first off, The warrior AA tree that negates the penalties of the warriors stances is a horrible line. I dont know of any warriors that would choose that line in a serious raiding guild. OMG a group arcane cure, ohh wait in a group others will have a group arcane. So this is pointless to even bring up. Lets see, ancient balm compared to voice of the ancestors. Umm are you kidding me, you think ancient balm is better than haveing the ability to break a stun/stifle/daze and cure your group and other healers? Bolster is a decent spell. It helps stablize pulls but its not all that great. I do agree bolster is better than defile but its one spell. Torpor, this spell is a decent spell. Its not class defining but is a nice spell. Now compare it to the defiler version of their lvl 52 ancient teaching. This spell is Forced cannibalize. If you did not know this comes out to be about 60 FT. Not to mention they get an AA to covert 25% of health to 10% power. This then gives them the ability to almost never run out of power. My final point is HP buffs. I take it your not in a raiding guild or your tank has the most horrible gear possible. I have tested over and over. Defilers give 1000+ hp and not to mention with their 5 piece set bonus its 100 more HP. Now go ask any tank of any of the top raiding guilds and tell them that 500 HP is nothing and not to worry about it and you will make them laugh till they wet themselves. These boards are almost pointless to post on anyway. The devs do not listen because they do not understand the game. and then you have people post they have no clue what they are talking about. Call me an elitist or whatever you want to, but i wish there was atleast a handful of competent mystics that read these boards.

02-04-2007, 09:00 PM	#9
SonnyA Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 578	canislupus64 wrote: These boards are almost pointless to post on anyway. The devs do not listen because they do not understand the game. and then you have people post they have no clue what they are talking about. Call me an elitist or whatever you want to, but i wish there was atleast a handful of competent mystics that read these boards. You hurt my feelings

01-26-2007, 09:03 AM	#1
canislupus64 Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 64	I sent this off to a dev as a suggestion of our aa's. I dont expect them to change the AA around but i just want to modify them a bit to become a bit more usefull. Neither of my suggestions are over powered and other classes get the same basic ability, I just want to be able to give something to my group thats not all stamina, i just want something that makes our class decent and not the reject healer class. Hello I am a mystic and I have gone down the achievement lines and I like the achievment we get called Ancestry and Weapon mastery. I was just wondering is there any possibility to have ancestry changed from a single buff to a group buff? Templars, dirges, and warlocks all get a group buff to change trigger percents and we are the only class with a single buff instead of a group buff. Another suggestion is could weapon mastery be a single target buff instead of a passive ability. Weapon mastery is a very nice abiliity but it could be used to buff a tank or a major melee classes ability. Please respond and tell me what you think.

01-27-2007, 07:27 AM	#4
canislupus64 Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 64	If a tank is in defensive stance then they lower there offensive skills and thus can not hit the mob effectivly. Thus weapon mastery would allow a tank to be in defensive and actually hit the mob since most raid mobs are lvl 75 and are hard to hit. Weapon mastery could also be put on a scout to allow them to more easily hit the mob and/or transfer hate. Its not overpower, but is very [I cannot control my vocabulary] to make it passive ability for mystics. Most content have short range AE's or metered AE's in which makes the spell useless as we are not meleeing. Ancestry is worded differently but it would be no where near overpowered to make it a group buff. I feel mystics have been screwed over many times. Defilers are overpowered in comparison to mystics. They have insane power regen ability and out buff us in most instances. Give us something to balance a little.

02-04-2007, 12:26 AM	#7
Sandain666 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 207	I like the idea of Ancestry being a group buff. Sony would probably consider it overpowered though Message Edited by Sandain666 on 02-03-2007 11:26 AM

02-04-2007, 02:24 PM	#8
Jatofyr324 Lord Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 58	I though it was a group buff :smileysad:. Oh well, here comes the underdog.