Shamans wearing light armor since it has Priest stats...

DejaaVous · 03-28-2005, 01:50 AM

I am noticing more and more Shaman around my level (41) wearing light armor due to the fact that Sony actually put WISDOM on light armor, while medium armor largely has INTELLIGENCE on it.

I am curious to know how many Shaman here are following suit, getting that extra 200 ish power and forsaking their medium armor for druid style Light Armor. It seems to me that Medium armor was forgotten as far as Wis goes, and the fact that Shaman would be wearing it.

Mystiq · 03-28-2005, 04:20 AM

All armor types, unless rare or special in some way, share the same stats per slot. There is wisdom on head, shoulder and glove slots for every armor type. The Rallosian Chestguard has +12 wisdom on it. . With a little effort and/or money, you can find certain items with more desireable stats on them.

Scrav · 03-28-2005, 05:28 AM

Eloora wrote:
All armor types, unless rare or special in some way, share the same stats per slot. There is wisdom on head, shoulder and glove slots for every armor type. The Rallosian Chestguard has +12 wisdom on it. . With a little effort and/or money, you can find certain items with more desireable stats on them.

That used to be the case. Starting a few live patches ago, pretty much msot new item additions (including adventure pack) have had a wide variety of stats and no longer follow the traditional stat tied to slot method. EDIT: There isn't a lot of wisdom based chain from the new loot around. It isn't too surprising though, being 6 scout classes and 2 priest classes use chain. Regardless, I still use chain for all my adeventuring needs in the early 40's.

Message Edited by Scrav on 03-27-2005 04:37 PM

Message Edited by Scrav on 03-28-2005 01:24 AM

Viroxi · 03-28-2005, 10:14 AM

If you find yourself grouping almost exclusively, or can afford two sets of armor..then I say sure, go for the light armor in groups. However, I spend a substantial amount of time soloing, not too mention those dreaded times when I pull aggro in a group SMILEY

For these occasions the medium with the best stats possible is the best choice imo for obvious reasons. I have good power and wis even with medium and rarely find power to be an issue unless the situation has gone [Removed for Content] (too many adds) in which case 1 or 200 more power for me to spam 1 or maybe 2 more heals is probably not going to be the deciding factor as to life or debt SMILEY

In fact , it may get me aggro I could have otherwise avoided , thus allowing me to rez the group and avoid everyone having a long walk back.

So for me it's Medium all the way, but as I said, if you only group, and don't get aggro....or can afford two sets , by all means go light

Merrygr · 03-28-2005, 02:02 PM

Viroxian wrote:

If you find yourself grouping almost exclusively, or can afford two sets of armor..then I say sure, go for the light armor in groups. However, I spend a substantial amount of time soloing, not too mention those dreaded times when I pull aggro in a group For these occasions the medium with the best stats possible is the best choice imo for obvious reasons. I have good power and wis even with medium and rarely find power to be an issue unless the situation has gone [Removed for Content] (too many adds) in which case 1 or 200 more power for me to spam 1 or maybe 2 more heals is probably not going to be the deciding factor as to life or debt In fact , it may get me aggro I could have otherwise avoided , thus allowing me to rez the group and avoid everyone having a long walk back.

So for me it's Medium all the way, but as I said, if you only group, and don't get aggro....or can afford two sets , by all means go light

That argument cuts both ways. You being able to take a fraction more of a hit (the difference in my opinion is less than one hit) and dying does not offset the value of that extra heal that couod have saved a wipe. Since I have been the only healer in my groups for most of my career I do value my power pool. Not only do I have more spells I can cast when full power, the power regen is also bigger. I have saved the group a lot more times in instances where I have to get every ounce of power I need than I would have lived becasue I could have taken one more hit.

Having said that I only have 2 slots that are not medium armor, and one of them I actually switch in and out sometimes. If I do find a light armour (or even a very light armour) item with vastly superior stats (power/wis) I would grab it. The difference is usually neglible though.

I'm not saying that one option is better than the other, I'm saying that every piece of armour shuld be considered on its own merits.

Without having seen parses of how valuable avoidance and mitigation are I kind of have to go with a big power pool as I know the value of that.

Viroxi · 03-28-2005, 11:08 PM

While you have a point as far as grouping is concerned at earlier levels...at later levels there is 1-200 difference in power for me...and about 1k difference in AC / HP with Medium armor. What level are you I'm curious? Anyway, the meat of my opinion was soloing, and there is where the biggest difference is noticed. I first and foremost stated that if you never soloed or could afford two sets of armor..blah blah..... do you not solo? I've tried soloing with light armor in the early 40's and it wasn't pretty SMILEY

Merrygr · 03-29-2005, 12:25 AM

I'm lvl 44 and I only solo solo mobs. It has been a while since I tried to solo a green++ mob, but I don't think I'm up to it (medium or no medium armour).

One question. Besides the number, can you tell the difference between say 1400 AC vs 1700 AC and 47% vs 50% avoidance? When I say that I mean showing a difference in a parser.

Personally I have not tried it. I feel (not checked with a parser) that the difference is neglible.

As I said, to me it boils down to what I know and what is speculation. I know the effect of more power. I don't know the effect of AC.

I'm proabably to influenced by how things worked in EQ1. No matter how much AC you put on a none tanking class, they went down quick. This was due to other hidden numbers and skills that were class related. Until proven otherwise I belive that the same holds true in EQ2. There are things more important than AC when figuring how badly we get hit. My gut feel is that a mage and a priest with identical avoidance and AC will not parse the same. The same goes for a cleric and a tank.

ChristopherK · 03-29-2005, 03:02 AM

Medium vs Light is just Mitigation difference. At 50 I can solo ^^ blue mobs because HH + Ward + VLA in battle mana regen items (RoI and GEB) + Mana Stone = Death to blue. Mitigation is overated when soloing for shaman because we don't need to mitigate anything. The more we avoide the better, but with a ward up not taking mitigation into account why care what armor you have? It's all about power pool to keep that ward up and the slow on. As far as group goes, Don't get hit SMILEY

. Level 50+ Raid mobs drop some good medium drops with +15 Wis and 40+ power on them. The enchanged ebon gloves etc are close the the crafted ebon. So, just wear whatever. It doesn't really matter in the end, and all the chain looks horrid at T5 anyway.

03-28-2005, 04:20 AM	#2
Mystiq General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 698	All armor types, unless rare or special in some way, share the same stats per slot. There is wisdom on head, shoulder and glove slots for every armor type. The Rallosian Chestguard has +12 wisdom on it. . With a little effort and/or money, you can find certain items with more desireable stats on them. __________________

03-28-2005, 05:28 AM	#3
Scrav Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 119	Eloora wrote: All armor types, unless rare or special in some way, share the same stats per slot. There is wisdom on head, shoulder and glove slots for every armor type. The Rallosian Chestguard has +12 wisdom on it. . With a little effort and/or money, you can find certain items with more desireable stats on them. That used to be the case. Starting a few live patches ago, pretty much msot new item additions (including adventure pack) have had a wide variety of stats and no longer follow the traditional stat tied to slot method. EDIT: There isn't a lot of wisdom based chain from the new loot around. It isn't too surprising though, being 6 scout classes and 2 priest classes use chain. Regardless, I still use chain for all my adeventuring needs in the early 40's. Message Edited by Scrav on 03-27-2005 04:37 PM Message Edited by Scrav on 03-28-2005 01:24 AM

03-28-2005, 10:14 AM	#4
Viroxi Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 88	If you find yourself grouping almost exclusively, or can afford two sets of armor..then I say sure, go for the light armor in groups. However, I spend a substantial amount of time soloing, not too mention those dreaded times when I pull aggro in a group For these occasions the medium with the best stats possible is the best choice imo for obvious reasons. I have good power and wis even with medium and rarely find power to be an issue unless the situation has gone [Removed for Content] (too many adds) in which case 1 or 200 more power for me to spam 1 or maybe 2 more heals is probably not going to be the deciding factor as to life or debt In fact , it may get me aggro I could have otherwise avoided , thus allowing me to rez the group and avoid everyone having a long walk back. So for me it's Medium all the way, but as I said, if you only group, and don't get aggro....or can afford two sets , by all means go light __________________

03-28-2005, 02:02 PM	#5
Merrygr General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 132	Viroxian wrote: If you find yourself grouping almost exclusively, or can afford two sets of armor..then I say sure, go for the light armor in groups. However, I spend a substantial amount of time soloing, not too mention those dreaded times when I pull aggro in a group For these occasions the medium with the best stats possible is the best choice imo for obvious reasons. I have good power and wis even with medium and rarely find power to be an issue unless the situation has gone [Removed for Content] (too many adds) in which case 1 or 200 more power for me to spam 1 or maybe 2 more heals is probably not going to be the deciding factor as to life or debt In fact , it may get me aggro I could have otherwise avoided , thus allowing me to rez the group and avoid everyone having a long walk back. So for me it's Medium all the way, but as I said, if you only group, and don't get aggro....or can afford two sets , by all means go light That argument cuts both ways. You being able to take a fraction more of a hit (the difference in my opinion is less than one hit) and dying does not offset the value of that extra heal that couod have saved a wipe. Since I have been the only healer in my groups for most of my career I do value my power pool. Not only do I have more spells I can cast when full power, the power regen is also bigger. I have saved the group a lot more times in instances where I have to get every ounce of power I need than I would have lived becasue I could have taken one more hit. Having said that I only have 2 slots that are not medium armor, and one of them I actually switch in and out sometimes. If I do find a light armour (or even a very light armour) item with vastly superior stats (power/wis) I would grab it. The difference is usually neglible though. I'm not saying that one option is better than the other, I'm saying that every piece of armour shuld be considered on its own merits. Without having seen parses of how valuable avoidance and mitigation are I kind of have to go with a big power pool as I know the value of that.

03-28-2005, 11:08 PM	#6
Viroxi Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 88	While you have a point as far as grouping is concerned at earlier levels...at later levels there is 1-200 difference in power for me...and about 1k difference in AC / HP with Medium armor. What level are you I'm curious? Anyway, the meat of my opinion was soloing, and there is where the biggest difference is noticed. I first and foremost stated that if you never soloed or could afford two sets of armor..blah blah..... do you not solo? I've tried soloing with light armor in the early 40's and it wasn't pretty __________________

03-28-2005, 01:50 AM	#1
DejaaVous Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 27	I am noticing more and more Shaman around my level (41) wearing light armor due to the fact that Sony actually put WISDOM on light armor, while medium armor largely has INTELLIGENCE on it. I am curious to know how many Shaman here are following suit, getting that extra 200 ish power and forsaking their medium armor for druid style Light Armor. It seems to me that Medium armor was forgotten as far as Wis goes, and the fact that Shaman would be wearing it.

03-29-2005, 12:25 AM	#7
Merrygr General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 132	I'm lvl 44 and I only solo solo mobs. It has been a while since I tried to solo a green++ mob, but I don't think I'm up to it (medium or no medium armour). One question. Besides the number, can you tell the difference between say 1400 AC vs 1700 AC and 47% vs 50% avoidance? When I say that I mean showing a difference in a parser. Personally I have not tried it. I feel (not checked with a parser) that the difference is neglible. As I said, to me it boils down to what I know and what is speculation. I know the effect of more power. I don't know the effect of AC. I'm proabably to influenced by how things worked in EQ1. No matter how much AC you put on a none tanking class, they went down quick. This was due to other hidden numbers and skills that were class related. Until proven otherwise I belive that the same holds true in EQ2. There are things more important than AC when figuring how badly we get hit. My gut feel is that a mage and a priest with identical avoidance and AC will not parse the same. The same goes for a cleric and a tank.

03-29-2005, 03:02 AM	#8
ChristopherK Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 85	Medium vs Light is just Mitigation difference. At 50 I can solo ^^ blue mobs because HH + Ward + VLA in battle mana regen items (RoI and GEB) + Mana Stone = Death to blue. Mitigation is overated when soloing for shaman because we don't need to mitigate anything. The more we avoide the better, but with a ward up not taking mitigation into account why care what armor you have? It's all about power pool to keep that ward up and the slow on. As far as group goes, Don't get hit . Level 50+ Raid mobs drop some good medium drops with +15 Wis and 40+ power on them. The enchanged ebon gloves etc are close the the crafted ebon. So, just wear whatever. It doesn't really matter in the end, and all the chain looks horrid at T5 anyway.