Hibernation - where do you use this skill?

Bi · 01-31-2006, 02:54 AM

Just wondering what instances you guys use this skill?I prefer the hybrid nature of furies, and enjoy adding my dps to the group where possible, and due to the awesome burst capabilities we have I've found this meshes very well together.When I exp usually i am nuking and generally casting my single regen where necessary, with the odd DH.When the tank is in trouble, the first thing I do is double up my regens, although usually if he's in trouble I will go for BITF, Bloodflow, Elixir, Owls, skipping elixir if he's not in trouble using X to sit (and therefore cancel) Owls is usually good because if there is an add someone is probably taking the odd barrage, which this helps withUsually through adds I will maintain both regens, as the healing cost/power cost seems the most beneficial this way, and I top up with BITF and elixir (weird that bitf costs about the same as elixir, I wouldve thought that it would be a bit more - although I havent checked for levels and levels, maybe its more the same now)Anyway - my question is this:Where do you use hibernate? If I'm spamhealing the tank, hibernation with its 2s cast is about the worst heal I can think of. its power cost isnt as great as any other DH - and the fact that it takes so long to come to fruition that if your group needed the heal, they would probably be dead by now. I usually stick with owls and untamed, I havent really found a use for hibernate except possibly the instance of an AOE mob.. Even letting a regen tick away is dangerous if your group is being AOEd. The only thing that might make this spell useful imo is making it a REGEN after a certain amount of time, rather than a DH. This would be more fitting as it takes you a while to set up shop before you hibernate - making sure everything is set for winter.. then you have the long rest, rather than a short rest that comes in one big fell swoop.Anyone have any thoughts on this? Where hibernation has been a good skill/where it shines?Personally BITF makes fury healing much, much easier to manage, without it I think that solehealing higher lvl groups would be quite difficult, but Hib... I'm glad I found this ad1 for 10g, as I can't imagine spending a pearl/van on it.The only instance I can think of using hibe

PKennyK · 01-31-2006, 03:22 AM

I use this spell all the time as it casts even if you're stifled/stunned. In raids, i'll put single and group HoT on MT then cast hibernation then cast porcupine. The HoT's will keep going and after they expire i'll still have that hibernation on which will go off even though I'm stunned w/porcupine SMILEY

Try to time it right and if you cast before an MT pulls a big raid mob who ae's right off the bat, hibernation will go off right after the ae. Beautiful to see 1200+ heals on the whole group right after an ae :smileyvery-happy: Just practice the timing and you will find many uses for this heal as I have. It's definately not a waste to adept3 as it comes in handy in tight situations(Cazel-I keep it on all the time in case he gets a lucky stun) Hope that helps.Zhilena 60 Fury Neriak

Lego · 01-31-2006, 03:27 AM

It's most useful for raiding situations with ae's. I've also used it prior to doing porucpine when I'm questing and want to kill a large amount of something relatively quickly. RoF, Hibernation and Porcupine, works well.

Bi · 01-31-2006, 10:46 AM

nice ideas, thanks.I hadnt thought of using it with porcupine.as we have 2-3 shaman and 2 templar 1 inq in our guild, I dont often use regens/heals on the mt at the start as he has so many reactives/wards on him my regen is almost a waste of power SMILEY

Attryn · 01-31-2006, 02:06 PM

I tend to use it right before pulling on a mob I know will put out a lot of damage quickly. Knowing that I have a good sized group heal coming in a couple of seconds, I'm not as pressed to get my regens on, and as such I generally have time to fire off a quick cure or two at the beginning of the fight.

Remember, you can cure stuns and stifles which can cause your tank to lose aggro, where otherwise you'd be busy casting your regens.

catweaver · 01-31-2006, 06:33 PM

Something I don't do all that often but it definitely works - dueling. If someone challenges me, I can time it so Ring of fire is up, a hot on me, hibernation and when I accept then smack them with dot's. it's nice to have that heal with someone who tries to perma-stun during duels, it rattles them that they're sure you're stunned but holy cow that was a 1600 heal!This is in all honesty one of my favorite healing spells, it's really great once you get the timing down.Lubij, Ethereal Legacy60 Fury, Shadowhaven

Ashtu · 01-31-2006, 06:36 PM

I also use it right before the pull when I know we're in for a hard-*ssed fight.

kell_the_kyuss · 02-01-2006, 12:41 AM

Pull 8-9 green mobsCast ring of fireCast hibernationCast porcupineCollect loot.

Lulian · 02-01-2006, 01:18 AM

iirc its only a 1 sec cast time and I would dare say that its one of the most mana efficient direct heals in the game.

Lego · 02-01-2006, 01:58 AM

Lulian wrote:
iirc its only a 1 sec cast time and I would dare say that its one of the most mana efficient direct heals in the game.

Short cast yes, but since you wait 10 seconds for the spell to actualyl cast itself it's not particularly reliable as just a DH.

Lethlorel · 02-01-2006, 03:39 AM

I use it alll the time raiding in the way the other posters have said. Neat idea about the soloing group mobs, tho. Must try it SMILEY

Giara · 02-01-2006, 06:49 AM

I use it whenever I am in the main tank group in a raid. I cast Hibernation, WIld Bloodflow and Owls Grace (?) right before the tank pulls. As he is pulling, I cast Porcupine. The two HoTs keep the tank healed as he is running back to the raid and Hibernation usually kicks in right as the HoTs fall off. This has been a good combo when we know the mob we are fighting throws a lot of damage on the tank at the beginning of the fight. While the fight is continuing on, I constantly cast it....with all of the AoE's and barrages mobs throw around, it is one of the more mana efficient group heals we have. Hibernation is also a great tool when the raid force needs to joust the mob. It is all about timing.

Falc61881 · 02-03-2006, 12:54 AM

Personally, I use Hibernation ALL THE TIME. It's actually become my favorite heal. Think about it this way. Its a 1 second cast.... its not using much mana at all, and it is our most powerful heal. It heals more than Natures Elixir and usually more than BITF will heal at sub 50%, and as an added bonus, that heal goes to the WHOLE GROUP. Depending on your group makeup, that will essentially allow everyone in the group to manastone as much as they want, use any power conversion spells they want (necro, wizard, etc..) and also classes like necros who can ues their health to heal, can do so freely on a rough mob if they need to as they know they will be healed with the next hibernation. On raids, its extremely useful while in the MT group, as its a very fast cast time.... and while spam healing youll essentially get a "free heal" when it does go off. One place I use it a ton is in Poets while fighting the keeper, as he sometimes will spike damage, if im the only healer, it helps to have the extra 1300 heal come in while i'm spamming my other heals just to get the tank back up. Also, combined with HOTs, it allows you to porcupine and still be healing quite a bit. Overall, its a great spell and I use it as much as I can.

01-31-2006, 02:54 AM	#1
Bi General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 470	Just wondering what instances you guys use this skill?I prefer the hybrid nature of furies, and enjoy adding my dps to the group where possible, and due to the awesome burst capabilities we have I've found this meshes very well together.When I exp usually i am nuking and generally casting my single regen where necessary, with the odd DH.When the tank is in trouble, the first thing I do is double up my regens, although usually if he's in trouble I will go for BITF, Bloodflow, Elixir, Owls, skipping elixir if he's not in trouble using X to sit (and therefore cancel) Owls is usually good because if there is an add someone is probably taking the odd barrage, which this helps withUsually through adds I will maintain both regens, as the healing cost/power cost seems the most beneficial this way, and I top up with BITF and elixir (weird that bitf costs about the same as elixir, I wouldve thought that it would be a bit more - although I havent checked for levels and levels, maybe its more the same now)Anyway - my question is this:Where do you use hibernate? If I'm spamhealing the tank, hibernation with its 2s cast is about the worst heal I can think of. its power cost isnt as great as any other DH - and the fact that it takes so long to come to fruition that if your group needed the heal, they would probably be dead by now. I usually stick with owls and untamed, I havent really found a use for hibernate except possibly the instance of an AOE mob.. Even letting a regen tick away is dangerous if your group is being AOEd. The only thing that might make this spell useful imo is making it a REGEN after a certain amount of time, rather than a DH. This would be more fitting as it takes you a while to set up shop before you hibernate - making sure everything is set for winter.. then you have the long rest, rather than a short rest that comes in one big fell swoop.Anyone have any thoughts on this? Where hibernation has been a good skill/where it shines?Personally BITF makes fury healing much, much easier to manage, without it I think that solehealing higher lvl groups would be quite difficult, but Hib... I'm glad I found this ad1 for 10g, as I can't imagine spending a pearl/van on it.The only instance I can think of using hibe __________________

01-31-2006, 03:22 AM	#2
PKennyK Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 58	I use this spell all the time as it casts even if you're stifled/stunned. In raids, i'll put single and group HoT on MT then cast hibernation then cast porcupine. The HoT's will keep going and after they expire i'll still have that hibernation on which will go off even though I'm stunned w/porcupine Try to time it right and if you cast before an MT pulls a big raid mob who ae's right off the bat, hibernation will go off right after the ae. Beautiful to see 1200+ heals on the whole group right after an ae :smileyvery-happy: Just practice the timing and you will find many uses for this heal as I have. It's definately not a waste to adept3 as it comes in handy in tight situations(Cazel-I keep it on all the time in case he gets a lucky stun) Hope that helps.Zhilena 60 Fury Neriak

01-31-2006, 10:46 AM	#4
Bi General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 470	nice ideas, thanks.I hadnt thought of using it with porcupine.as we have 2-3 shaman and 2 templar 1 inq in our guild, I dont often use regens/heals on the mt at the start as he has so many reactives/wards on him my regen is almost a waste of power __________________

01-31-2006, 02:06 PM	#5
Attryn Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 21	I tend to use it right before pulling on a mob I know will put out a lot of damage quickly. Knowing that I have a good sized group heal coming in a couple of seconds, I'm not as pressed to get my regens on, and as such I generally have time to fire off a quick cure or two at the beginning of the fight. Remember, you can cure stuns and stifles which can cause your tank to lose aggro, where otherwise you'd be busy casting your regens. __________________ Aethelwulf 60 Fury Vanguard Aethelwulfe 57 Warden Disciples of Destiny Najena

02-01-2006, 12:41 AM	#8
kell_the_kyuss Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Southern Hellinois Posts: 45	Pull 8-9 green mobsCast ring of fireCast hibernationCast porcupineCollect loot. __________________ Enoch De'Bloodflower 63 Gnome Fury Cheshire Cat, 61 Kerra Dirge Arcane Insurrection of Unrest

01-31-2006, 03:27 AM	#3
Lego General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 277	It's most useful for raiding situations with ae's. I've also used it prior to doing porucpine when I'm questing and want to kill a large amount of something relatively quickly. RoF, Hibernation and Porcupine, works well.

01-31-2006, 06:33 PM	#6
catweaver Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Minnesota, USA Posts: 139	Something I don't do all that often but it definitely works - dueling. If someone challenges me, I can time it so Ring of fire is up, a hot on me, hibernation and when I accept then smack them with dot's. it's nice to have that heal with someone who tries to perma-stun during duels, it rattles them that they're sure you're stunned but holy cow that was a 1600 heal!This is in all honesty one of my favorite healing spells, it's really great once you get the timing down.Lubij, Ethereal Legacy60 Fury, Shadowhaven

01-31-2006, 06:36 PM	#7
Ashtu Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 196	I also use it right before the pull when I know we're in for a hard-*ssed fight.

02-01-2006, 01:18 AM	#9
Lulian Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 65	iirc its only a 1 sec cast time and I would dare say that its one of the most mana efficient direct heals in the game. __________________

02-01-2006, 01:58 AM	#10
Lego General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 277	Lulian wrote: iirc its only a 1 sec cast time and I would dare say that its one of the most mana efficient direct heals in the game. Short cast yes, but since you wait 10 seconds for the spell to actualyl cast itself it's not particularly reliable as just a DH.

02-01-2006, 03:39 AM	#11
Lethlorel Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 17	I use it alll the time raiding in the way the other posters have said. Neat idea about the soloing group mobs, tho. Must try it __________________ Liril A Fury of Guk

02-01-2006, 06:49 AM	#12
Giara Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 84	I use it whenever I am in the main tank group in a raid. I cast Hibernation, WIld Bloodflow and Owls Grace (?) right before the tank pulls. As he is pulling, I cast Porcupine. The two HoTs keep the tank healed as he is running back to the raid and Hibernation usually kicks in right as the HoTs fall off. This has been a good combo when we know the mob we are fighting throws a lot of damage on the tank at the beginning of the fight. While the fight is continuing on, I constantly cast it....with all of the AoE's and barrages mobs throw around, it is one of the more mana efficient group heals we have. Hibernation is also a great tool when the raid force needs to joust the mob. It is all about timing. __________________

02-03-2006, 12:54 AM	#13
Falc61881 Loremaster Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 62	Personally, I use Hibernation ALL THE TIME. It's actually become my favorite heal. Think about it this way. Its a 1 second cast.... its not using much mana at all, and it is our most powerful heal. It heals more than Natures Elixir and usually more than BITF will heal at sub 50%, and as an added bonus, that heal goes to the WHOLE GROUP. Depending on your group makeup, that will essentially allow everyone in the group to manastone as much as they want, use any power conversion spells they want (necro, wizard, etc..) and also classes like necros who can ues their health to heal, can do so freely on a rough mob if they need to as they know they will be healed with the next hibernation. On raids, its extremely useful while in the MT group, as its a very fast cast time.... and while spam healing youll essentially get a "free heal" when it does go off. One place I use it a ton is in Poets while fighting the keeper, as he sometimes will spike damage, if im the only healer, it helps to have the extra 1300 heal come in while i'm spamming my other heals just to get the tank back up. Also, combined with HOTs, it allows you to porcupine and still be healing quite a bit. Overall, its a great spell and I use it as much as I can.