Fury DoTs nerfed - Whirlwind & Dooming Swarm examples included

Gaa · 04-15-2005, 03:52 AM

Fix or nerf - whatever you want to call it, our DoTs have been ninja-changed sometime between April 5th and 6th. Overall DoT damage has been reduced significantly. The numbers below are for Adept 3 spells at level 50 on mobs which have not been cold or divine debuffed. Whirlwind: Pre-change ---------------------- [Mon Apr 04 04:41:18 2005] YOUR Whirlwind hits an enraged shade for 96 points of cold damage. [Mon Apr 04 04:41:22 2005] YOUR Whirlwind hits an enraged shade for 85 points of cold damage. [Mon Apr 04 04:41:27 2005] YOUR Whirlwind hits an enraged shade for 88 points of cold damage. [Mon Apr 04 04:41:31 2005] YOUR Whirlwind hits an enraged shade for 81 points of cold damage. [Mon Apr 04 04:41:35 2005] YOUR Whirlwind hits an enraged shade for 84 points of cold damage. Whirlwind: Post-change (28% decrease in damage) ---------------------- [Thu Apr 07 04:55:52 2005] YOUR Whirlwind hits an enraged shade for 71 points of cold damage. [Thu Apr 07 04:55:56 2005] YOUR Whirlwind hits an enraged shade for 60 points of cold damage. [Thu Apr 07 04:56:01 2005] YOUR Whirlwind hits an enraged shade for 58 points of cold damage. [Thu Apr 07 04:56:05 2005] YOUR Whirlwind hits an enraged shade for 59 points of cold damage. [Thu Apr 07 04:56:09 2005] YOUR Whirlwind hits an enraged shade for 66 points of cold damage. Dooming Swarm: Pre-change ------------------------- [Wed Mar 23 11:33:59 2005] YOUR Dooming Swarm hits an undertow puppet for 57 points of divine damage. [Wed Mar 23 11:34:03 2005] YOUR Dooming Swarm hits an undertow puppet for 49 points of divine damage [Wed Mar 23 11:34:08 2005] YOUR Dooming Swarm hits an undertow puppet for 53 points of divine damage. [Wed Mar 23 11:34:12 2005] YOUR Dooming Swarm hits an undertow puppet for 55 points of divine damage. [Wed Mar 23 11:34:16 2005] YOUR Dooming Swarm hits an undertow puppet for 54 points of divine damage. Dooming Swarm: Post-change (17% decrease in damage) [Fri Apr 08 17:31:15 2005] YOUR Dooming Swarm hits an undertow puppet for 42 points of divine damage. [Fri Apr 08 17:31:20 2005] YOUR Dooming Swarm hits an undertow puppet for 46 points of divine damage. [Fri Apr 08 17:31:24 2005] YOUR Dooming Swarm hits an undertow puppet for 45 points of divine damage. [Fri Apr 08 17:31:28 2005] YOUR Dooming Swarm hits an undertow puppet for 42 points of divine damage. [Fri Apr 08 17:31:32 2005] YOUR Dooming Swarm hits an undertow puppet for 48 points of divine damage. I chose the above examples randomly from my log. I have found these ratios to be consistant with all other types of mobs regardless of damage mitigation and level/con color. Our DoTs now more accurately match the spell description, so this could be called a 'fix'. I prefer to call it a 'nerf' however. SMILEY

Has anyone else noticed this? I'm interested in hearing from a dev on why these changes went live, especially with no mention of it in any patch notes. (Unless I completely missed something) Our DPS potential as far as priests go was already borderline low before these changes. Now it's even worse. Comments are appreciated. -- Gaash 50th Fury Unrest Server

Ri · 04-15-2005, 04:21 AM

Resistances now effect DoTs, whereas before they didn't.

Think that was last patch, will have to go back and check.

edit: found it.

- Resistances against Cold, Heat, Poison, Disease, Magic, Divine, and Mental attacks will now mitigate the per-tick damage of DoT spells. It may be time to shop for resist gear.

http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=stat&message.id=105

2nd post, 2nd line.

Message Edited by Rish on 04-14-2005 07:23 PM

Gaa · 04-16-2005, 03:15 PM

Thanks Rish. Now that you mentioned this, I now remember this going live. I suppose this is a clever way for SOE to nerf ALL casters, without getting everyone all upset about it. I've heard zero people complain about this change. 17%-28% damage reduction still sucks though, any way you look at it. Oh well, still looking forward to priest balancing. We'll see what happens then. SMILEY

-- Gaash

Ver · 04-16-2005, 10:00 PM

This change was actually made because of whiny players, not as a nerf. People were complaining that the epic raid mobs casted AoE DoT spells that would hit them for 2000 damage per tick. They wanted a chance to resist that on a per tick basis, not on a per cast basis. So the change went in. The flip side is that everyone with DoT's suffered a decrease in DPS. The summoners are talking about it, but not too many other classes. Verax

04-15-2005, 03:52 AM	#1
Gaa Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 11	Fix or nerf - whatever you want to call it, our DoTs have been ninja-changed sometime between April 5th and 6th. Overall DoT damage has been reduced significantly. The numbers below are for Adept 3 spells at level 50 on mobs which have not been cold or divine debuffed. Whirlwind: Pre-change ---------------------- [Mon Apr 04 04:41:18 2005] YOUR Whirlwind hits an enraged shade for 96 points of cold damage. [Mon Apr 04 04:41:22 2005] YOUR Whirlwind hits an enraged shade for 85 points of cold damage. [Mon Apr 04 04:41:27 2005] YOUR Whirlwind hits an enraged shade for 88 points of cold damage. [Mon Apr 04 04:41:31 2005] YOUR Whirlwind hits an enraged shade for 81 points of cold damage. [Mon Apr 04 04:41:35 2005] YOUR Whirlwind hits an enraged shade for 84 points of cold damage. Whirlwind: Post-change (28% decrease in damage) ---------------------- [Thu Apr 07 04:55:52 2005] YOUR Whirlwind hits an enraged shade for 71 points of cold damage. [Thu Apr 07 04:55:56 2005] YOUR Whirlwind hits an enraged shade for 60 points of cold damage. [Thu Apr 07 04:56:01 2005] YOUR Whirlwind hits an enraged shade for 58 points of cold damage. [Thu Apr 07 04:56:05 2005] YOUR Whirlwind hits an enraged shade for 59 points of cold damage. [Thu Apr 07 04:56:09 2005] YOUR Whirlwind hits an enraged shade for 66 points of cold damage. Dooming Swarm: Pre-change ------------------------- [Wed Mar 23 11:33:59 2005] YOUR Dooming Swarm hits an undertow puppet for 57 points of divine damage. [Wed Mar 23 11:34:03 2005] YOUR Dooming Swarm hits an undertow puppet for 49 points of divine damage [Wed Mar 23 11:34:08 2005] YOUR Dooming Swarm hits an undertow puppet for 53 points of divine damage. [Wed Mar 23 11:34:12 2005] YOUR Dooming Swarm hits an undertow puppet for 55 points of divine damage. [Wed Mar 23 11:34:16 2005] YOUR Dooming Swarm hits an undertow puppet for 54 points of divine damage. Dooming Swarm: Post-change (17% decrease in damage) [Fri Apr 08 17:31:15 2005] YOUR Dooming Swarm hits an undertow puppet for 42 points of divine damage. [Fri Apr 08 17:31:20 2005] YOUR Dooming Swarm hits an undertow puppet for 46 points of divine damage. [Fri Apr 08 17:31:24 2005] YOUR Dooming Swarm hits an undertow puppet for 45 points of divine damage. [Fri Apr 08 17:31:28 2005] YOUR Dooming Swarm hits an undertow puppet for 42 points of divine damage. [Fri Apr 08 17:31:32 2005] YOUR Dooming Swarm hits an undertow puppet for 48 points of divine damage. I chose the above examples randomly from my log. I have found these ratios to be consistant with all other types of mobs regardless of damage mitigation and level/con color. Our DoTs now more accurately match the spell description, so this could be called a 'fix'. I prefer to call it a 'nerf' however. Has anyone else noticed this? I'm interested in hearing from a dev on why these changes went live, especially with no mention of it in any patch notes. (Unless I completely missed something) Our DPS potential as far as priests go was already borderline low before these changes. Now it's even worse. Comments are appreciated. -- Gaash 50th Fury Unrest Server

04-16-2005, 03:15 PM	#3
Gaa Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 11	Thanks Rish. Now that you mentioned this, I now remember this going live. I suppose this is a clever way for SOE to nerf ALL casters, without getting everyone all upset about it. I've heard zero people complain about this change. 17%-28% damage reduction still sucks though, any way you look at it. Oh well, still looking forward to priest balancing. We'll see what happens then. -- Gaash

04-15-2005, 04:21 AM	#2
Ri General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 154	Resistances now effect DoTs, whereas before they didn't. Think that was last patch, will have to go back and check. edit: found it. - Resistances against Cold, Heat, Poison, Disease, Magic, Divine, and Mental attacks will now mitigate the per-tick damage of DoT spells. It may be time to shop for resist gear. http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=stat&message.id=105 2nd post, 2nd line. Message Edited by Rish on 04-14-2005 07:23 PM

04-16-2005, 10:00 PM	#4
Ver Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 172	This change was actually made because of whiny players, not as a nerf. People were complaining that the epic raid mobs casted AoE DoT spells that would hit them for 2000 damage per tick. They wanted a chance to resist that on a per tick basis, not on a per cast basis. So the change went in. The flip side is that everyone with DoT's suffered a decrease in DPS. The summoners are talking about it, but not too many other classes. Verax