Warden WOW factor?

mindygoth · 03-02-2006, 03:55 PM

Okay I have a question - and please don't think I'm "having a moan" about how Wardens are crap or anything like that - I enjoy playing mine.. but... (you knew there was a but, right?)

What would you say was a Warden's outstanding skill - something someone would say "ooo grab a Warden, they have that cool spell....)?

What I mean is, many other classes have some really cool spell they are kinda known for, like Wizzies with their Ice Comet, a Brigand's ability to survive AE's, Group invis and pretty respectable DD abilities of a Fury, Ranger's animal DPS bow skills, the Assassin's Assassinate, etc, etc....

Now it might just be me, but I kinda see a warden as a "jack of all trades, master of none" kind of class. We have some pretty good "maintenance" healing stuff (although not one big heal), we're pretty good at protecting people from heat n cold, and the ol' wolfies help out a little on the DPS, but on the flip side, no real Wards, barely any debuffs, that kind of thing...

So, what do you guys think?

Again to reiterate, this is not mean as a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] about how useless Wardens are or anything, as I play one, and am pretty happy with her for the most part. I just wanted to see what you guys think we are known and wanted for, in your experience.....

Faeth - 62 Warden, Kithicor

Rappy · 03-02-2006, 04:08 PM

Ability to change the weather would do me

Draq · 03-02-2006, 04:26 PM

I'd say WOW factor is our Sandstorm skill in group situations and also our huge wis buffs which help the MT alot against caster mobs.Edit: I have a lvl 61 warden SMILEY

Message Edited by Draq on 03-02-200612:26 PM

Naithik · 03-02-2006, 08:43 PM

group leader says:"WOW there are no fury online. We'll have to grab a warden."

Sorry, I enjoy my class, but compared to fury, i think wardens are now a sad joke

Fib · 03-02-2006, 11:18 PM

If it makes you feel any better, Warden's hold their own in pvp. You can witness a group in dire straits take you on and within moments the tides turn. Your rooting capacity coupled with respectable nukes, regens, group and insta heals, damage shield, and with this really nice spell where you can call out the hounds at the higher levels ...not to mention being able to run fast and evac...it all makes for a pleasant pvp gaming experience.Furies have group invis and some dots. Wardens have damage shield and nukes plus the dogs. Oh and you can rez people in cool animal forms and with the new skills.....you can charm and take other animal forms.... really nice class as far as I am concerned.

slayerwarrior · 03-03-2006, 01:42 AM

o o o we can root epics other then that not much wow in a warden. other then that most people don't want a warden in a group most of the time unless thier the only 1 on >:/.

Durst · 03-03-2006, 02:34 AM

We can root epics? What spell do u have? Both my roots don't effect epics

Arielle Nightshade · 03-03-2006, 03:34 AM

Sandstorm FTW (for the wow), IMO... The pack of wolves is my personal wow..I really like that spell a lot.

missconstrue · 03-03-2006, 03:56 AM

lol i agree with naithik.. i will play my warden cuz i want to play at the higher levels and she is ok . but i enjoy my bruiser a lot more and have more fun playing her. i am leveling that toon as fast as i can. we really have no wow factor at this time. that being said, my warden can solo ok for a priest. she has a lovely tree to stand under when its hot out and she has a pack of puppies. wardens have some enjoyable spells like that but i see nothing in our class defining spells that make us stand out. sandstorm not useful on raids anymore, direct heals lower than other healers but adequate and HG not too useful when we can heal better when we are not stunned and the power feed is not large enough to make up for that. SOOOO enjoy your warden but if you are looking for WOW might want to look at other classes for the time being. i am hopeful with all the good feedback we are giving the developers that they will make some really positive changes maybe to our aa line and fix our signature spells so they have a wow factor again62 warden oasis server

slayerwarrior · 03-03-2006, 05:23 AM

lol it decrease hate 1 roots epics sry if u don't know your spells >:/

slayerwarrior · 03-03-2006, 05:26 AM

just to add it is a wow when u can root godking if u have subj maxs but really most time's if mexxer in group he's going get the job but it can save a raid from a wipe. but just in grouping we ant not the class we should be since a fury has big heals we are left with regen and small dt heals >:/

Durst · 03-03-2006, 06:34 AM

Every healing class get this anti aggo spell but each does somthing different i.e stun, root, pacify, what ever. Its not much use unless u get aggro and never once in a raid has it save me or the raid. If i pull aggro during a raid there is something majorly wrong i would call this anything but a WOW spell. The 5 meter raidius makes it amost usless as a root and since its a blue aoe it would break mezz and if your in a place like PP top floor good chance you will wipe the group if u use it.

Message Edited by Durst11 on 03-02-200605:35 PM

Dragonreal · 03-03-2006, 07:10 AM

I've never had this spell affect mez and since it does no dmg I really can't see how it would. Though you are right about it's not being a raid-saver (unless you wanna get technical and say it saved the raid because the warden gfets to live and continue healing)

TuinalOfTheNexus · 03-03-2006, 09:41 AM

It not even fantastic as a de-aggro... Root is a nightmare for tanks who need to get aggro. Quite often you end up rooting the mob next to you, but it has nothing else near to hit, so it keeps attacking you, often fatally if you're up against the 5k hitting heroics in KOS. Whilst you can sometimes step back quickly, when mobs are all over the place and moving the wrong way means aggroing another encounter it's not always easy. The Fury version, which snares and stifles, is much better in most situations. I'm 50/50 as to whether the use of this spell to root epics is intentional and thus can see it being nerfed, although tbh a 10 second root on a 5 minute timer isn't going to be affecting the outcome of any raids.

slayerwarrior · 03-03-2006, 10:09 AM

If u think not that good your wrong u just got know how when use it but i will say 5 meter does have it's bad points but i not going teach u how use that skill lol. by the way i have save wipe and have been the one save a day > SMILEY

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slayerwarrior · 03-03-2006, 10:15 AM

sry i did not read last 1 but u know if u can not move to the tank after u root hem then it your problem for not just steping to side saying add help > SMILEY . i just don't under stand how u can not say it's not good i use it all the time roots is warden best weapon with out it i hate my warden.

Kanyena · 03-03-2006, 10:18 AM

You guys can't be serious. Why would you want to have ONE spell that made you stand out? Have you ever played a druid in EQ1? We ARE the jack of all trades class, we can damage shield, buff, regen, heal, rez, a little nuke here and there. Evac. At least they gave us a pet in this game that is more than just for farming spider silks in East Karana, that is all that boo boo bear was good for. He was cute, very cute. But so useless it was a joke.We can make people breathe under water, sow, cure, I am not sure what the complaint is. I never ever have a hard time getting a group. I have more offers than I can even keep up with.So you want a more what? Powerful? Strong? I am very happy with my warden. I love to play her. If they would just give me a bow I would be set.As for the wow factor they do say that when they see that stupid dof beekeeper helm we have. They say WOW that is ONE UGLY HELM.

TuinalOfTheNexus · 03-03-2006, 10:20 AM

slayerwarrior wrote:
If u think not that good your wrong u just got know how when use it but i will say 5 meter does have it's bad points but i not going teach u how use that skill lol. by the way i have save wipe and have been the one save a day >!

Call me cynical but based on your registration date of one month ago and mysterious reluctance to disclose how you're using a 10 second root which is guaranteed to kill you (guess who Godking's gonna one-shot when you're stood 5m away and nobody else is in melee range!) to make the difference in high end T6 raid content I'd call BS.

slayerwarrior · 03-03-2006, 10:25 AM

lol my date not month ago and yea if he hit me your right 1 hit ko but 15 sec enough time let a mezzer mez hem >< how it that so hard really lol. so now u get time on mezzer spell and 12 more sec with my root to burn power lol.

Durst · 03-03-2006, 11:56 AM

I agree with you Tuinalofthenexus while this spell has its place i dont think a raid is one of them. I find it very usefull some times in groups when the MT misses an add and it comes for the healer but other than that i dont find the root helpfull at all. I never been asked to use it in a raid and like Tuinal said if your in 5 meters of the mob your most like going to get 1 shoted and die.

Arielle Nightshade · 03-03-2006, 12:56 PM

Durst11 wrote:
I agree with you Tuinalofthenexus while this spell has its place i dont think a raid is one of them. I find it very usefull some times in groups when the MT misses an add and it comes for the healer but other than that i dont find the root helpfull at all. I never been asked to use it in a raid and like Tuinal said if your in 5 meters of the mob your most like going to get 1 shoted and die.

Not sure I'd waste Raid Healing Power(tm) casting this spell at all......but then, raiding gives me hives.

slayerwarrior · 03-03-2006, 01:37 PM

u guys are just over looking it i'm not trying to tell u it's use in ever day raiding but in some place it can help get a raid mob down. if u are a good gamer u do with what is giving to u and with a warden thier not much thier > SMILEY

, but as it comes to wow when u i rooted sunchild few did go wow > SMILEY

and we beat hem useing it to!

Phillip2005 · 03-03-2006, 07:51 PM

Please read a grammar book. Thanks =)

Kanyena · 03-03-2006, 08:33 PM

Did it ever occur to you in that narrow mind of yours, Phillip that English is not their first language? There are many many non English speaking people on these servers, I have to give them credit for being able to communicate with English speaking people at all. How many languages did you say you speak and write correctly?I happen to belong to a Euro guild. I have to say my French and German guildies give me a break because they do not expect me to type to them in their language!Widen your mind a bit, Phillip you may be pleasantly surprised.

Rappy · 03-03-2006, 08:43 PM

Jag alska Sverige! Snakka Svenska?

Barand · 03-03-2006, 08:47 PM

ouais arretez d embeter les gens qui savent pas parler bien anglais SMILEY

Rappy · 03-03-2006, 08:50 PM

Ca ne fais rien mon ami!

Rappy · 03-03-2006, 08:53 PM

I think we just trolled this thread. I still would like a weather control skill, make it sunny, rain, cloudy etc. Totally useless but equally carries WOW factor potential, I don't know how many raids I have been on where I have wished I could turn the rain off.

mindygoth · 03-03-2006, 09:22 PM

Actually I can think of one thing I'd like to see added, maybe to Wardens, or druids in general as we are the travelling types - the ability to cast heals on the move.... maybe once you get a skill like focus or ministration above a certain level, or even once you get your toon above a certain level - a bit like how you could meditate without staring at your spellbook in EQ1 once you got above a certain level.....

I mean, if we're such skillful Priests, we oughta be able to pray n move at the same time SMILEY

Help with when those pesky paper wearing DPS's go running off in a panic coz the big nasty mob has taken a liking to them - lol

Hell, if I had my way, we'd be able to cast our buffs on the move too - especially as the tanks never sit still and wait to be rebuffed after a wipe, coz they can run n buff at the same time - and then they get all impatient with you as they have to wait before they go pulling again SMILEY

Faeth, 63 Warden, Kithicor

slayerwarrior · 03-04-2006, 12:31 AM

My grammar is bad but alteast i'm nice :}. thank for 1 guys say that about my english at least he gave reason why mybe it's suck but i have say english is my main talk. but i do have a learning disablity :/, and my typing is very bad.

but thread about wow and if u think rooting godking not a wow well thats u.

03-02-2006, 04:08 PM	#2
Rappy Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 200	Ability to change the weather would do me __________________ Tracx Skyfire - 70 Warden of Permafrost Leader of Clan Nan Dreolan - Euro guild

03-02-2006, 04:26 PM	#3
Draq Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 470	I'd say WOW factor is our Sandstorm skill in group situations and also our huge wis buffs which help the MT alot against caster mobs.Edit: I have a lvl 61 warden Message Edited by Draq on 03-02-200612:26 PM

03-03-2006, 10:15 AM	#16
slayerwarrior Lord Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 311	sry i did not read last 1 but u know if u can not move to the tank after u root hem then it your problem for not just steping to side saying add help >. i just don't under stand how u can not say it's not good i use it all the time roots is warden best weapon with out it i hate my warden.

03-03-2006, 10:18 AM	#17
Kanyena Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 15	You guys can't be serious. Why would you want to have ONE spell that made you stand out? Have you ever played a druid in EQ1? We ARE the jack of all trades class, we can damage shield, buff, regen, heal, rez, a little nuke here and there. Evac. At least they gave us a pet in this game that is more than just for farming spider silks in East Karana, that is all that boo boo bear was good for. He was cute, very cute. But so useless it was a joke.We can make people breathe under water, sow, cure, I am not sure what the complaint is. I never ever have a hard time getting a group. I have more offers than I can even keep up with.So you want a more what? Powerful? Strong? I am very happy with my warden. I love to play her. If they would just give me a bow I would be set.As for the wow factor they do say that when they see that stupid dof beekeeper helm we have. They say WOW that is ONE UGLY HELM. __________________ Jeah 70 Warden/ 70 Carpenter Kithicor

03-03-2006, 10:20 AM	#18
TuinalOfTheNexus Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 589	slayerwarrior wrote: If u think not that good your wrong u just got know how when use it but i will say 5 meter does have it's bad points but i not going teach u how use that skill lol. by the way i have save wipe and have been the one save a day >! Call me cynical but based on your registration date of one month ago and mysterious reluctance to disclose how you're using a 10 second root which is guaranteed to kill you (guess who Godking's gonna one-shot when you're stood 5m away and nobody else is in melee range!) to make the difference in high end T6 raid content I'd call BS.

03-02-2006, 03:55 PM	#1
mindygoth Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 31	Okay I have a question - and please don't think I'm "having a moan" about how Wardens are crap or anything like that - I enjoy playing mine.. but... (you knew there was a but, right?) What would you say was a Warden's outstanding skill - something someone would say "ooo grab a Warden, they have that cool spell....)? What I mean is, many other classes have some really cool spell they are kinda known for, like Wizzies with their Ice Comet, a Brigand's ability to survive AE's, Group invis and pretty respectable DD abilities of a Fury, Ranger's animal DPS bow skills, the Assassin's Assassinate, etc, etc.... Now it might just be me, but I kinda see a warden as a "jack of all trades, master of none" kind of class. We have some pretty good "maintenance" healing stuff (although not one big heal), we're pretty good at protecting people from heat n cold, and the ol' wolfies help out a little on the DPS, but on the flip side, no real Wards, barely any debuffs, that kind of thing... So, what do you guys think? Again to reiterate, this is not mean as a [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] about how useless Wardens are or anything, as I play one, and am pretty happy with her for the most part. I just wanted to see what you guys think we are known and wanted for, in your experience..... Faeth - 62 Warden, Kithicor

03-02-2006, 08:43 PM	#4
Naithik Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 130	group leader says:"WOW there are no fury online. We'll have to grab a warden." Sorry, I enjoy my class, but compared to fury, i think wardens are now a sad joke

03-02-2006, 11:18 PM	#5
Fib Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 10	If it makes you feel any better, Warden's hold their own in pvp. You can witness a group in dire straits take you on and within moments the tides turn. Your rooting capacity coupled with respectable nukes, regens, group and insta heals, damage shield, and with this really nice spell where you can call out the hounds at the higher levels ...not to mention being able to run fast and evac...it all makes for a pleasant pvp gaming experience.Furies have group invis and some dots. Wardens have damage shield and nukes plus the dogs. Oh and you can rez people in cool animal forms and with the new skills.....you can charm and take other animal forms.... really nice class as far as I am concerned.

03-03-2006, 01:42 AM	#6
slayerwarrior Lord Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 311	o o o we can root epics other then that not much wow in a warden. other then that most people don't want a warden in a group most of the time unless thier the only 1 on >:/.

03-03-2006, 02:34 AM	#7
Durst Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 27	We can root epics? What spell do u have? Both my roots don't effect epics

03-03-2006, 03:34 AM	#8
Arielle Nightshade Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,727	Sandstorm FTW (for the wow), IMO... The pack of wolves is my personal wow..I really like that spell a lot.

03-03-2006, 03:56 AM	#9
missconstrue Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 63	lol i agree with naithik.. i will play my warden cuz i want to play at the higher levels and she is ok . but i enjoy my bruiser a lot more and have more fun playing her. i am leveling that toon as fast as i can. we really have no wow factor at this time. that being said, my warden can solo ok for a priest. she has a lovely tree to stand under when its hot out and she has a pack of puppies. wardens have some enjoyable spells like that but i see nothing in our class defining spells that make us stand out. sandstorm not useful on raids anymore, direct heals lower than other healers but adequate and HG not too useful when we can heal better when we are not stunned and the power feed is not large enough to make up for that. SOOOO enjoy your warden but if you are looking for WOW might want to look at other classes for the time being. i am hopeful with all the good feedback we are giving the developers that they will make some really positive changes maybe to our aa line and fix our signature spells so they have a wow factor again62 warden oasis server

03-03-2006, 05:23 AM	#10
slayerwarrior Lord Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 311	lol it decrease hate 1 roots epics sry if u don't know your spells >:/

03-03-2006, 05:26 AM	#11
slayerwarrior Lord Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 311	just to add it is a wow when u can root godking if u have subj maxs but really most time's if mexxer in group he's going get the job but it can save a raid from a wipe. but just in grouping we ant not the class we should be since a fury has big heals we are left with regen and small dt heals >:/

03-03-2006, 06:34 AM	#12
Durst Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 27	Every healing class get this anti aggo spell but each does somthing different i.e stun, root, pacify, what ever. Its not much use unless u get aggro and never once in a raid has it save me or the raid. If i pull aggro during a raid there is something majorly wrong i would call this anything but a WOW spell. The 5 meter raidius makes it amost usless as a root and since its a blue aoe it would break mezz and if your in a place like PP top floor good chance you will wipe the group if u use it. Message Edited by Durst11 on 03-02-200605:35 PM

03-03-2006, 07:10 AM	#13
Dragonreal General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,554	I've never had this spell affect mez and since it does no dmg I really can't see how it would. Though you are right about it's not being a raid-saver (unless you wanna get technical and say it saved the raid because the warden gfets to live and continue healing)

03-03-2006, 09:41 AM	#14
TuinalOfTheNexus Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 589	It not even fantastic as a de-aggro... Root is a nightmare for tanks who need to get aggro. Quite often you end up rooting the mob next to you, but it has nothing else near to hit, so it keeps attacking you, often fatally if you're up against the 5k hitting heroics in KOS. Whilst you can sometimes step back quickly, when mobs are all over the place and moving the wrong way means aggroing another encounter it's not always easy. The Fury version, which snares and stifles, is much better in most situations. I'm 50/50 as to whether the use of this spell to root epics is intentional and thus can see it being nerfed, although tbh a 10 second root on a 5 minute timer isn't going to be affecting the outcome of any raids.

03-03-2006, 10:09 AM	#15
slayerwarrior Lord Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 311	If u think not that good your wrong u just got know how when use it but i will say 5 meter does have it's bad points but i not going teach u how use that skill lol. by the way i have save wipe and have been the one save a day >!

03-03-2006, 10:25 AM	#19
slayerwarrior Lord Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 311	lol my date not month ago and yea if he hit me your right 1 hit ko but 15 sec enough time let a mezzer mez hem >< how it that so hard really lol. so now u get time on mezzer spell and 12 more sec with my root to burn power lol.

03-03-2006, 11:56 AM	#20
Durst Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 27	I agree with you Tuinalofthenexus while this spell has its place i dont think a raid is one of them. I find it very usefull some times in groups when the MT misses an add and it comes for the healer but other than that i dont find the root helpfull at all. I never been asked to use it in a raid and like Tuinal said if your in 5 meters of the mob your most like going to get 1 shoted and die.

03-03-2006, 12:56 PM	#21
Arielle Nightshade Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 2,727	Durst11 wrote: I agree with you Tuinalofthenexus while this spell has its place i dont think a raid is one of them. I find it very usefull some times in groups when the MT misses an add and it comes for the healer but other than that i dont find the root helpfull at all. I never been asked to use it in a raid and like Tuinal said if your in 5 meters of the mob your most like going to get 1 shoted and die. Not sure I'd waste Raid Healing Power(tm) casting this spell at all......but then, raiding gives me hives.

03-03-2006, 01:37 PM	#22
slayerwarrior Lord Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 311	u guys are just over looking it i'm not trying to tell u it's use in ever day raiding but in some place it can help get a raid mob down. if u are a good gamer u do with what is giving to u and with a warden thier not much thier >, but as it comes to wow when u i rooted sunchild few did go wow > and we beat hem useing it to!

03-03-2006, 07:51 PM	#23
Phillip2005 Loremaster Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 11	Please read a grammar book. Thanks =)

03-03-2006, 08:33 PM	#24
Kanyena Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 15	Did it ever occur to you in that narrow mind of yours, Phillip that English is not their first language? There are many many non English speaking people on these servers, I have to give them credit for being able to communicate with English speaking people at all. How many languages did you say you speak and write correctly?I happen to belong to a Euro guild. I have to say my French and German guildies give me a break because they do not expect me to type to them in their language!Widen your mind a bit, Phillip you may be pleasantly surprised. __________________ Jeah 70 Warden/ 70 Carpenter Kithicor

03-03-2006, 08:43 PM	#25
Rappy Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 200	Jag alska Sverige! Snakka Svenska? __________________ Tracx Skyfire - 70 Warden of Permafrost Leader of Clan Nan Dreolan - Euro guild

03-03-2006, 08:47 PM	#26
Barand General Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 358	ouais arretez d embeter les gens qui savent pas parler bien anglais

03-03-2006, 08:50 PM	#27
Rappy Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 200	Ca ne fais rien mon ami! __________________ Tracx Skyfire - 70 Warden of Permafrost Leader of Clan Nan Dreolan - Euro guild

03-03-2006, 08:53 PM	#28
Rappy Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 200	I think we just trolled this thread. I still would like a weather control skill, make it sunny, rain, cloudy etc. Totally useless but equally carries WOW factor potential, I don't know how many raids I have been on where I have wished I could turn the rain off. __________________ Tracx Skyfire - 70 Warden of Permafrost Leader of Clan Nan Dreolan - Euro guild

03-03-2006, 09:22 PM	#29
mindygoth Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 31	Actually I can think of one thing I'd like to see added, maybe to Wardens, or druids in general as we are the travelling types - the ability to cast heals on the move.... maybe once you get a skill like focus or ministration above a certain level, or even once you get your toon above a certain level - a bit like how you could meditate without staring at your spellbook in EQ1 once you got above a certain level..... I mean, if we're such skillful Priests, we oughta be able to pray n move at the same time Help with when those pesky paper wearing DPS's go running off in a panic coz the big nasty mob has taken a liking to them - lol Hell, if I had my way, we'd be able to cast our buffs on the move too - especially as the tanks never sit still and wait to be rebuffed after a wipe, coz they can run n buff at the same time - and then they get all impatient with you as they have to wait before they go pulling again Faeth, 63 Warden, Kithicor

03-04-2006, 12:31 AM	#30
slayerwarrior Lord Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 311	My grammar is bad but alteast i'm nice :}. thank for 1 guys say that about my english at least he gave reason why mybe it's suck but i have say english is my main talk. but i do have a learning disablity :/, and my typing is very bad. but thread about wow and if u think rooting godking not a wow well thats u.