Parsing Heals

Hanzz00 · 01-18-2006, 07:06 PM

Hello Wardens.

we went yesterday to Spirits of the Lost and cleard the whole zone while I was saving a logfile.

We were 12 people (5 healers) and as I parsed the logfile for heals I got this results:

I healed..............776541

Templar healed.581387

Inqui healed.......397157

Fury healed.......386010

Defiler healed....116708 (Wards not shown in the Parser)

My tree healed...092322

So my question is : Has anyone else got such high differences between the other healer classes? Or is this just a bug in logfile / parser ?

PS: Our raidldr told me that I heal the most amount of hp every raid even in his parser.

Sorry for the bad english, I'm German =).

SmakenDah · 01-18-2006, 08:14 PM

Do you use more AE heals than the other classes do? Maybe your it's a matter of your heals being over time so if someone heals the target up full as another heal lands a spell the amount doesn't get counted?Sounds weird.

Hanzz00 · 01-18-2006, 08:23 PM

already thought about the HOTs , don't know if it is the reason for the parsing result and fury also have a group and a single HOT. Grp Heals I use when the Mob has got an AOE but we were 2 grps so the healers in the other grps have to cast grp heals too

Asp728 · 01-18-2006, 08:41 PM

Pretty much every raid I've heal parsed, when there are AEs by the mob, it inflates druids healing way up. Our group regens make it look like we are healing a ton more than we really are. You need a heal parser that show who was healed as well as the amount breakdown. Then your numbers will even out a bit more. The fury either wasn't using a group hot (if caster group, they are probably max cast so not really effected by AEs. Since Furies help DPS / caster groups more that's probably where they were).

As a side note, the Warden in my guild usually does outheal me in most fights (granted, i sneak nukes in too hehe).

Hanzz00 · 01-18-2006, 08:45 PM

thanks for your answer

fury was not in caster grp cuz we did not have one with 12 people (1 caster in raid) =)

Kyralis · 01-18-2006, 11:39 PM

FWIW:Sunchild Total Healed (on all party members)Aeluil - 30,362 <-- me, warden, MT groupTemplar - 20,010Fury -l 15,730Inquisitor - 15,639Fury - 14,301Mystic - 12,855 <--- Wards don't show up, so this number is artificially low, MT groupTemplar - 11,483 <--- MT groupThe sunchild *does* have an AE, but it's not the sort that anyone is ever supposed to get hit by. While I may have tossed a couple extra heals on random people, in general this is all straight single-target healing.

Dragonreal · 01-19-2006, 02:17 AM

Caerwyn wrote:FWIW:Sunchild Total Healed (on all party members)Aeluil - 30,362 <-- me, warden, MT groupTemplar - 20,010Fury -l 15,730Inquisitor - 15,639Fury - 14,301Mystic - 12,855 <--- Wards don't show up, so this number is artificially low, MT groupTemplar - 11,483 <--- MT groupThe sunchild *does* have an AE, but it's not the sort that anyone is ever supposed to get hit by. While I may have tossed a couple extra heals on random people, in general this is all straight single-target healing.

I'll see your parse and raise you! ;P

Total of all heals: 5,187,541

Ryala 1,336,506 <-- Me, warden, Mt grptemplar 965,827 <-- Mt grpfury 571,158 templar2 392,621inq 352,677 def iler 220,273mystic1 195,233 *inq2 92,133 mystic2 80,943 *fury2 44,912

Mystic2 left early (on second to last boss fight I believe, so both mystics were in mt grp at some point); fury2 was brought in on very last boss fight as was inq2 cuz we lost a couple hlrs before we were done.

This was a parse of the ENTIRE PP:R zone from start to finish. Guild also did another parse of the same zone with a different templar in the mt grp and he parsed out 1 mil hp healed before I did (then he had to leave shortly after and I was the top of the chart again I believe and also broke 1 mil hp healed I think; lol sorry for the I thinks here but I didn't do the parse this time so don't have the logs only memory from the guy posting it a few times in raid), so this isn't just a warden thing, but it does make you feel warm and fuzzy does it not?

Message Edited by Dragonrealms on 01-18-200604:19 PM

BBouch · 01-21-2006, 02:07 AM

Yes, those numbers do reflect what is happening in most raids.In terms of heals specifically it's usually Druid > Cleric > Shammy. Shammy's wards don't show so hard to see what is going on there. Additional reasons on when heals are more effective may be attributed to the following:

Number of targets in mob group

A lot of raid instanced have trash mobs that have between 4 and 20 in the encounter. In those fights, you'll see the Clerics Heal Sky rocket.
Encounters with less then 3 (usually 1 mob named) usually show Druids outhealing.

Debuffs

Slowing the auto attacks means that the clerics reactives proc less / heal less often and have to direct heal more. In the long run, if the druid doesn't oom, the druid outheals cleric. If you remove the shammy (or debuffers) from the raid you may probably find Clerics outhealing Druids.

Message Edited by BBoucher on 01-20-200601:09 PM

digitalchi · 01-21-2006, 03:37 AM

Just a side note, what parser are you using to parse the heals? I had been using combatstats one which did it but for some reason it stopped parsing the heals and they always show up blank now...

Dragonreal · 01-21-2006, 05:27 AM

A templar made his own parser.. there's a thread on templar forums and I think he posted in the spells/abilities forum

Kyralis · 01-21-2006, 06:02 AM

EQ Companion in EQ2 mode can parse heals, too.

Unmask · 01-21-2006, 11:07 AM

digitalchimp wrote:Just a side note, what parser are you using to parse the heals? I had been using combatstats one which did it but for some reason it stopped parsing the heals and they always show up blank now...

Try the Advanced Combat Tracker.

Colossaltitan · 01-21-2006, 10:06 PM

Dragonrealms wrote:
I think he posted in the spells/abilities forum

He did.

Riseth · 01-22-2006, 05:33 AM

Advanced Combat Tracker and Adventure Assistant work best for me for parsing heals.

Sorano · 01-22-2006, 07:17 AM

Hanzz00 wrote:
Hello Wardens.

we went yesterday to Spirits of the Lost and cleard the whole zone while I was saving a logfile.
We were 12 people (5 healers) and as I parsed the logfile for heals I got this results:

I healed..............776541
Templar healed.581387
Inqui healed.......397157
Fury healed.......386010
Defiler healed....116708 (Wards not shown in the Parser)
My tree healed...092322

So my question is : Has anyone else got such high differences between the other healer classes? Or is this just a bug in logfile / parser ?

PS: Our raidldr told me that I heal the most amount of hp every raid even in his parser.

Sorry for the bad english, I'm German =).

My question is what level are you in relation to the mobs? A lvl 60 tank? The mobs will be green. If so he's not going to get hit by melee attacks much. That means reactives are not going to trigger often. It's just going to be the specials like AE and they are going to hit your entire group. You will notice you parse a lot higher because you are not only healing your MT, you are healing your whole group. If all 6 ppl in your group take 1k dmg from an AE, that's 6k healed by you. It really starts to add up over the duration of a fight. Go parse mobs which actually con yellow to your tank and you will notice the heal difference dissappear, especailly in enounters with greater than 3 mobs in them. Of course if your group is getting hit by an AE in that situation as well, you will still get some decent numbers on your heals, but they are misleading and inflated by the fact druids are more efficient at healing the group than other priest classes.

Kyralis · 01-23-2006, 01:00 AM

Counting only heals on the MT, wardens still tend to get higher numbers of they're really working at it. My parse was from the sunchild, and I still out-healed any other healer- and I healed a grand total of 3 people the entire fight- all tanks who, at one pointer or another, were holding aggro on the sunchild.Our tradeoff for burst healing has *always* been more efficient heals and more total healing. Is it any surprise that this shows up in parses?

Hanzz00 · 01-23-2006, 03:06 AM

Today we went to the Gates of Ahket Aken, full of yellow con encounters (often 3 or more mobs), and the parsing-results are:

I healed ................1317267 (MT grp)

Templar healed......816128 (MT grp)

Fury healed.............725621

Inqui healed.............628653

Templar healed.......550165

Inqui healed.............475073

Mystic healed............84569 (leaved before statue court) (MT grp)

Mystic healed............17028 (came in exchange to the other mystic) (MT grp)

The parsing shows almost the same result like my Spirits of the lost Parsing. Tank on both Raids was the same. This time with yellow con mobs instead of green cons. So the clerics did not heal more because of the yellow con. In Ahket Aken many mobs have an AE, so we rangefighted the most, that means just the MT stood inside of the AE. This could have been a reason for the parsing results, but, as you see in this result, I healed most with primary using my single heals.

Sorano · 01-23-2006, 10:05 AM

I barely find myself healing on anything besides the named in GoAA. Cleric reactives and shammy wards are more than enough to deal with the trash mobs and even on the named you will find that it's situational whether or not you heal more than a cleric. I'm not even going to bring shammys into this because I believe they are outhealing all the other priest classes and if we could see their heal numbers we would all be crying.

Here's a couple of parses of my own

Akh Uzh'Orus

Shammy1 2613

Cleric1 10417

Me 6726

Cleric2 4755

Shammy2 4672

As you can see the cleric outhealed everyone.

Here's another

Loremaster Viswin

Shammy1 1941

Cleric 1 16639

Me 6962

Cleric2 11972

Shammy2 3019

In this encounter cleric reactives totally dominate the healing stats. It's all dependant on the mob you are facing and how much AE dmg everyone is taking. You will find that warden healing shines on single named encounters, everything else prepare to be beat unless of course you are with lazy healers.

Dragonreal · 01-23-2006, 11:05 AM

honestly, I think it's more dependant on the player than it is anything with either of the classes.. as I noted just today with one of the templars in guild who I have a friendly competition with on these heal parses: if he's 1) at the raid and 2) in mt grp with me, he's usually a few k to a few 100k ahead of me, but so far if it's any other templar I'm at the top. Of course it could just be a few flukes for me.. who knows.. we haven't been doing these parses for long, really. At any rate, it really shouldn't even matter, and heal parses are a grossly unfair way to be gauging the effectiveness of a hlr on a raid.. after all you can't parse the effect of buffs, of wards, of debuffs, hell even of something as simple as someone curing a dot or debuff off the mt (I'm pretty quick on the cures and usually have my chat window filled with "...has been removed from..." messages, so there's a TON of non-parseable damage prevention right there).. imho, heal parses should just be taken as something to have some fun with and nothing more because there is SO much more to being a healer than just how many green numbers you throw around.

Mor · 01-23-2006, 09:55 PM

Dragonrealms wrote:
honestly, I think it's more dependant on the player than it is anything with either of the classes..

IMO, it's really more dependant on your designated raid role. The designated regen caster is probably going to out heal any other druid. I imagine the same is true with wards and reactives.

Dragonreal · 01-23-2006, 10:15 PM

Morie wrote:
Dragonrealms wrote:
honestly, I think it's more dependant on the player than it is anything with either of the classes..
IMO, it's really more dependant on your designated raid role. The designated regen caster is probably going to out heal any other druid. I imagine the same is true with wards and reactives.

Yes this is true but how do you then account for the warden in mt grp (or fury if you're so inclined though I don't think we've had anyone post up a parse of that) outhealing the templar also in the mt grp? I know for my parses, I was the regen caster (I always am when I'm at the raid), and the templar was the reactive caster, so that will then go back to the player and not the class OR the raid role.

Kyralis · 01-23-2006, 11:18 PM

It's definitely player and mob dependent. On mobs like the first three named in the Djinn Master's Prism, I still outheal the clerics, though not by as much. The sunchild, I certainly outheal them. Failed raiders in PPTR, I don't get to cast much more than an AE nuke. But overall, unless there are a plethora of adds, I'm going to heal more than the others. At the same time I also invariably outheal the other wardens in the guild, even when I remove Wild Growth from my heal count (I'm always the one doing regens).As noted, of course, we can't tell with the shaman.I do feel, though, that in general we should outheal clerics by a bit. It's the way the system's designed; we heal more. We just take longer to do it, making shaman and clerics indespensible as spike-healers. We just provide, with our high efficiency, the background level of healing that keeps the fight moving.

Sorano · 01-23-2006, 11:23 PM

Dragonrealms wrote:
Morie wrote:
Dragonrealms wrote:
honestly, I think it's more dependant on the player than it is anything with either of the classes..
IMO, it's really more dependant on your designated raid role. The designated regen caster is probably going to out heal any other druid. I imagine the same is true with wards and reactives.
Yes this is true but how do you then account for the warden in mt grp (or fury if you're so inclined though I don't think we've had anyone post up a parse of that) outhealing the templar also in the mt grp? I know for my parses, I was the regen caster (I always am when I'm at the raid), and the templar was the reactive caster, so that will then go back to the player and not the class OR the raid role.

You have the cleric and druid in MT group casting their single target HoT/reactive? What do the healers outside the MT group do? I find it a relief to have another druid on the raid because I know I won't be buring power stacking both the single target and group HoT on the tank. Plus it takes way too much time to refresh the both of them and it would be even worse for the cleric who has a 5 sec cast on their group reactive. That there could be the reason why you are outhealing the templar. It just takes to long for them to stack both reactives. Plus the HoT is always ticking so if the tank is not healed to fill it's going to keep ticking over and those few 100 hps also start adding up.

The raid healers in my guild have played together for quite a while now and know each other's healing styles and roles. I for instance will NEVER joust an AE unless it's one that will stun me for 40secs and is not curable. I just stand there and eat it. Both the cleric and shammy stack their hp buffs on me and it's not unusual for me to clear 7.5k hps, so I am reasonably well equipped to survive. My job is to heal and nothing else. The cleric is responsible for all the curing which is one of the most important jobs a priest can do. That however doesn't show up in a parse and neither do the shammys debuffs, which is hands down the one thing you cannot do without on a raid. Different raid roles mean different heal parse values and if healing is all you are going to go by on what defines a good priest then you are going to find your raids failing a lot.

Message Edited by Sorano on 01-24-200606:24 AM

Dragonreal · 01-24-2006, 02:06 AM

I'm the regen caster because I'm the only warden in guild and they feel that the warden's hot is better than the fury's hot /shrug It's not hard to keep it up, but maybe you would have issues because you're keeping your grp regen up as well which I don't do because i'd rather use my power for keeping the direct heal hots up and the tree. I guess you just have a different way of doing things. Also I'm the one doing the cures most of the time simply because I'm the fastest hlr at it. I don't joust on raids either because if I'm moving, I'm not healing; if an ae hits the hlrs, I just grp heal and we're fine.

Sorano wrote:
Different raid roles mean different heal parse values and if healing is all you are going to go by on what defines a good priest then you are going to find your raids failing a lot.
Message Edited by Sorano on 01-24-200606:24 AM

And btw, I'm the one a few posts ago who said healing parses should just be something you do for kicks and not something anyone should take truly seriously because of all the things hlrs do that cannot be parsed.

Mor · 01-24-2006, 03:08 AM

Dragonrealms wrote:
I'm the regen caster because I'm the only warden in guild and they feel that the warden's hot is better than the fury's hot /shrugWarden and Fury regens (both ST and group) are identical. I handle the ST regens on our raids 1) because Fury direct healing is stronger and 2) I'm never in the MT group if there is a Fury available.

Dragonreal · 01-24-2006, 06:32 AM

Ours has a ranged value that goes higher than the static value a fury's has, grp regen is identical though. As for using the grp regen only to heal mt with well.. idk for us it's a situational thing /shrug I'm always mt grp though; that never changes, and the fury in guild actually prefers it that way (not that it's up to him since he's not raid ldr).

Message Edited by Dragonrealms on 01-23-200608:37 PM

Mor · 01-24-2006, 07:58 AM

Dragonrealms wrote:
Ours has a ranged value that goes higher than the static value a fury's has, grp regen is identical though. As for using the grp regen only to heal mt with well.. idk for us it's a situational thing /shrug I'm always mt grp though; that never changes, and the fury in guild actually prefers it that way (not that it's up to him since he's not raid ldr).
Message Edited by Dragonrealms on 01-23-200608:37 PM

Don't get me wrong, we both heal the MT. My directs and ST regen, Fury directs and group regen as needed. However, there's just no way for me to compete with Porcupine.

Dragonreal · 01-24-2006, 09:29 AM

heh well if your guild holds a 36s buff in that high esteem then /shrug Different guilds have different ways of doing things; my guild, I'm always mt grp over the fury and the fury actually [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]es when he has to be mt grp.

Sorano · 01-24-2006, 10:09 AM

Morie wrote:
Dragonrealms wrote:
I'm the regen caster because I'm the only warden in guild and they feel that the warden's hot is better than the fury's hot /shrugWarden and Fury regens (both ST and group) are identical. I handle the ST regens on our raids 1) because Fury direct healing is stronger and 2) I'm never in the MT group if there is a Fury available.

Fury direct healing being stronger is debatable to say the least, but that aside, why does the fury need to be in the MT group to use their DHs? I know they can easily cast from outside just like any other priest class. If porcupine is the sole reason then I think you should have a chat with your raid leaders. The only time I can see porcupine being useful is if your tank is not geared properly and is still in T6 legendary or partial fabled. They might need the burst mitigation to cope with spike damage from orange con mobs simply because their gear isn't up to it. If your tank is properly equipped them a fury is better of in a DPS group. You don't lose out on any healing from them outside the MT group, but you certainly do if you leave the warden out.

Mor · 01-24-2006, 10:08 PM

Sorano wrote:
Fury direct healing being stronger is debatable to say the least, but that aside, why does the fury need to be in the MT group to use their DHs?Sorry, I didn't mean to imply this was the case. The only reason I brought up the MT is issue is because, with the Fury in the MT group, they can save their mana for DH and group regen, while I use my lesser DH's and ST regen.And yes, Fury DHs are superior, especially in a raid situation. If porcupine is the sole reason then I think you should have a chat with your raid leaders. The only time I can see porcupine being useful is if your tank is not geared properly and is still in T6 legendary or partial fabled. They might need the burst mitigation to cope with spike damage from orange con mobs simply because their gear isn't up to it. If your tank is properly equipped them a fury is better of in a DPS group. You don't lose out on any healing from them outside the MT group, but you certainly do if you leave the warden out.Nope we bring nothing to the MT group. Period. Resists are not nearly as useful as mitigation against orange cons or greater. And our guild among the top -- if not the top -- guild on our server. Our tanks are very, very well equipped.

01-18-2006, 07:06 PM	#1
Hanzz00 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 14	Hello Wardens. we went yesterday to Spirits of the Lost and cleard the whole zone while I was saving a logfile. We were 12 people (5 healers) and as I parsed the logfile for heals I got this results: I healed..............776541 Templar healed.581387 Inqui healed.......397157 Fury healed.......386010 Defiler healed....116708 (Wards not shown in the Parser) My tree healed...092322 So my question is : Has anyone else got such high differences between the other healer classes? Or is this just a bug in logfile / parser ? PS: Our raidldr told me that I heal the most amount of hp every raid even in his parser. Sorry for the bad english, I'm German =). __________________

01-18-2006, 08:14 PM	#2
SmakenDah Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 76	Do you use more AE heals than the other classes do? Maybe your it's a matter of your heals being over time so if someone heals the target up full as another heal lands a spell the amount doesn't get counted?Sounds weird. __________________ Smaken Dahed - 51 Ogre Guardian [TDC] - Permafrost Ravenleaf Runningsong - 65 Wood Elf Warden [TDC] - Permafrost

01-18-2006, 08:23 PM	#3
Hanzz00 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 14	already thought about the HOTs , don't know if it is the reason for the parsing result and fury also have a group and a single HOT. Grp Heals I use when the Mob has got an AOE but we were 2 grps so the healers in the other grps have to cast grp heals too __________________

01-18-2006, 08:45 PM	#5
Hanzz00 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 14	thanks for your answer fury was not in caster grp cuz we did not have one with 12 people (1 caster in raid) =) __________________

01-18-2006, 11:39 PM	#6
Kyralis Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 637	FWIW:Sunchild Total Healed (on all party members)Aeluil - 30,362 <-- me, warden, MT groupTemplar - 20,010Fury -l 15,730Inquisitor - 15,639Fury - 14,301Mystic - 12,855 <--- Wards don't show up, so this number is artificially low, MT groupTemplar - 11,483 <--- MT groupThe sunchild does have an AE, but it's not the sort that anyone is ever supposed to get hit by. While I may have tossed a couple extra heals on random people, in general this is all straight single-target healing. __________________ -- Kyralis Warden of Nagafen

01-18-2006, 08:41 PM	#4
Asp728 Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 306	Pretty much every raid I've heal parsed, when there are AEs by the mob, it inflates druids healing way up. Our group regens make it look like we are healing a ton more than we really are. You need a heal parser that show who was healed as well as the amount breakdown. Then your numbers will even out a bit more. The fury either wasn't using a group hot (if caster group, they are probably max cast so not really effected by AEs. Since Furies help DPS / caster groups more that's probably where they were). As a side note, the Warden in my guild usually does outheal me in most fights (granted, i sneak nukes in too hehe).

01-19-2006, 02:17 AM	#7
Dragonreal General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,554	Caerwyn wrote:FWIW:Sunchild Total Healed (on all party members)Aeluil - 30,362 <-- me, warden, MT groupTemplar - 20,010Fury -l 15,730Inquisitor - 15,639Fury - 14,301Mystic - 12,855 <--- Wards don't show up, so this number is artificially low, MT groupTemplar - 11,483 <--- MT groupThe sunchild does have an AE, but it's not the sort that anyone is ever supposed to get hit by. While I may have tossed a couple extra heals on random people, in general this is all straight single-target healing. I'll see your parse and raise you! ;P Total of all heals: 5,187,541 Ryala 1,336,506 <-- Me, warden, Mt grptemplar 965,827 <-- Mt grpfury 571,158 templar2 392,621inq 352,677 def iler 220,273mystic1 195,233 inq2 92,133 mystic2 80,943 fury2 44,912 Mystic2 left early (on second to last boss fight I believe, so both mystics were in mt grp at some point); fury2 was brought in on very last boss fight as was inq2 cuz we lost a couple hlrs before we were done. This was a parse of the ENTIRE PP:R zone from start to finish. Guild also did another parse of the same zone with a different templar in the mt grp and he parsed out 1 mil hp healed before I did (then he had to leave shortly after and I was the top of the chart again I believe and also broke 1 mil hp healed I think; lol sorry for the I thinks here but I didn't do the parse this time so don't have the logs only memory from the guy posting it a few times in raid), so this isn't just a warden thing, but it does make you feel warm and fuzzy does it not? Message Edited by Dragonrealms on 01-18-200604:19 PM

01-21-2006, 02:07 AM	#8
BBouch Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 42	Yes, those numbers do reflect what is happening in most raids.In terms of heals specifically it's usually Druid > Cleric > Shammy. Shammy's wards don't show so hard to see what is going on there. Additional reasons on when heals are more effective may be attributed to the following: Number of targets in mob group A lot of raid instanced have trash mobs that have between 4 and 20 in the encounter. In those fights, you'll see the Clerics Heal Sky rocket. Encounters with less then 3 (usually 1 mob named) usually show Druids outhealing. Debuffs Slowing the auto attacks means that the clerics reactives proc less / heal less often and have to direct heal more. In the long run, if the druid doesn't oom, the druid outheals cleric. If you remove the shammy (or debuffers) from the raid you may probably find Clerics outhealing Druids. Message Edited by BBoucher on 01-20-200601:09 PM

01-21-2006, 03:37 AM	#9
digitalchi Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 33	Just a side note, what parser are you using to parse the heals? I had been using combatstats one which did it but for some reason it stopped parsing the heals and they always show up blank now... __________________ -- Youso / Mebea The Dark Vengeance Guild Leader. www.tdvguild.org \| TDV Code of Conduct \| Join TDV

01-21-2006, 05:27 AM	#10
Dragonreal General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,554	A templar made his own parser.. there's a thread on templar forums and I think he posted in the spells/abilities forum

01-21-2006, 06:02 AM	#11
Kyralis Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 637	EQ Companion in EQ2 mode can parse heals, too. __________________ -- Kyralis Warden of Nagafen

01-21-2006, 11:07 AM	#12
Unmask Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,132	digitalchimp wrote:Just a side note, what parser are you using to parse the heals? I had been using combatstats one which did it but for some reason it stopped parsing the heals and they always show up blank now... Try the Advanced Combat Tracker. __________________ Clint Eastwoods Oasis dogs > cats /wagtail

01-21-2006, 10:06 PM	#13
Colossaltitan Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,792	Dragonrealms wrote: I think he posted in the spells/abilities forum He did.

01-22-2006, 05:33 AM	#14
Riseth Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 21	Advanced Combat Tracker and Adventure Assistant work best for me for parsing heals. __________________ Baphorise, 70 Warden, Splitpaw United Kingdoms

01-22-2006, 07:17 AM	#15
Sorano Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 505	Hanzz00 wrote: Hello Wardens. we went yesterday to Spirits of the Lost and cleard the whole zone while I was saving a logfile. We were 12 people (5 healers) and as I parsed the logfile for heals I got this results: I healed..............776541 Templar healed.581387 Inqui healed.......397157 Fury healed.......386010 Defiler healed....116708 (Wards not shown in the Parser) My tree healed...092322 So my question is : Has anyone else got such high differences between the other healer classes? Or is this just a bug in logfile / parser ? PS: Our raidldr told me that I heal the most amount of hp every raid even in his parser. Sorry for the bad english, I'm German =). My question is what level are you in relation to the mobs? A lvl 60 tank? The mobs will be green. If so he's not going to get hit by melee attacks much. That means reactives are not going to trigger often. It's just going to be the specials like AE and they are going to hit your entire group. You will notice you parse a lot higher because you are not only healing your MT, you are healing your whole group. If all 6 ppl in your group take 1k dmg from an AE, that's 6k healed by you. It really starts to add up over the duration of a fight. Go parse mobs which actually con yellow to your tank and you will notice the heal difference dissappear, especailly in enounters with greater than 3 mobs in them. Of course if your group is getting hit by an AE in that situation as well, you will still get some decent numbers on your heals, but they are misleading and inflated by the fact druids are more efficient at healing the group than other priest classes. __________________

01-23-2006, 01:00 AM	#16
Kyralis Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 637	Counting only heals on the MT, wardens still tend to get higher numbers of they're really working at it. My parse was from the sunchild, and I still out-healed any other healer- and I healed a grand total of 3 people the entire fight- all tanks who, at one pointer or another, were holding aggro on the sunchild.Our tradeoff for burst healing has always been more efficient heals and more total healing. Is it any surprise that this shows up in parses? __________________ -- Kyralis Warden of Nagafen

01-23-2006, 03:06 AM	#17
Hanzz00 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 14	Today we went to the Gates of Ahket Aken, full of yellow con encounters (often 3 or more mobs), and the parsing-results are: I healed ................1317267 (MT grp) Templar healed......816128 (MT grp) Fury healed.............725621 Inqui healed.............628653 Templar healed.......550165 Inqui healed.............475073 Mystic healed............84569 (leaved before statue court) (MT grp) Mystic healed............17028 (came in exchange to the other mystic) (MT grp) The parsing shows almost the same result like my Spirits of the lost Parsing. Tank on both Raids was the same. This time with yellow con mobs instead of green cons. So the clerics did not heal more because of the yellow con. In Ahket Aken many mobs have an AE, so we rangefighted the most, that means just the MT stood inside of the AE. This could have been a reason for the parsing results, but, as you see in this result, I healed most with primary using my single heals. __________________

01-23-2006, 10:05 AM	#18
Sorano Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 505	I barely find myself healing on anything besides the named in GoAA. Cleric reactives and shammy wards are more than enough to deal with the trash mobs and even on the named you will find that it's situational whether or not you heal more than a cleric. I'm not even going to bring shammys into this because I believe they are outhealing all the other priest classes and if we could see their heal numbers we would all be crying. Here's a couple of parses of my own Akh Uzh'Orus Shammy1 2613 Cleric1 10417 Me 6726 Cleric2 4755 Shammy2 4672 As you can see the cleric outhealed everyone. Here's another Loremaster Viswin Shammy1 1941 Cleric 1 16639 Me 6962 Cleric2 11972 Shammy2 3019 In this encounter cleric reactives totally dominate the healing stats. It's all dependant on the mob you are facing and how much AE dmg everyone is taking. You will find that warden healing shines on single named encounters, everything else prepare to be beat unless of course you are with lazy healers. __________________

01-23-2006, 11:05 AM	#19
Dragonreal General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,554	honestly, I think it's more dependant on the player than it is anything with either of the classes.. as I noted just today with one of the templars in guild who I have a friendly competition with on these heal parses: if he's 1) at the raid and 2) in mt grp with me, he's usually a few k to a few 100k ahead of me, but so far if it's any other templar I'm at the top. Of course it could just be a few flukes for me.. who knows.. we haven't been doing these parses for long, really. At any rate, it really shouldn't even matter, and heal parses are a grossly unfair way to be gauging the effectiveness of a hlr on a raid.. after all you can't parse the effect of buffs, of wards, of debuffs, hell even of something as simple as someone curing a dot or debuff off the mt (I'm pretty quick on the cures and usually have my chat window filled with "...has been removed from..." messages, so there's a TON of non-parseable damage prevention right there).. imho, heal parses should just be taken as something to have some fun with and nothing more because there is SO much more to being a healer than just how many green numbers you throw around.

01-23-2006, 09:55 PM	#20
Mor Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 344	Dragonrealms wrote: honestly, I think it's more dependant on the player than it is anything with either of the classes.. IMO, it's really more dependant on your designated raid role. The designated regen caster is probably going to out heal any other druid. I imagine the same is true with wards and reactives.

01-23-2006, 10:15 PM	#21
Dragonreal General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,554	Morie wrote: Dragonrealms wrote: honestly, I think it's more dependant on the player than it is anything with either of the classes.. IMO, it's really more dependant on your designated raid role. The designated regen caster is probably going to out heal any other druid. I imagine the same is true with wards and reactives. Yes this is true but how do you then account for the warden in mt grp (or fury if you're so inclined though I don't think we've had anyone post up a parse of that) outhealing the templar also in the mt grp? I know for my parses, I was the regen caster (I always am when I'm at the raid), and the templar was the reactive caster, so that will then go back to the player and not the class OR the raid role.

01-23-2006, 11:18 PM	#22
Kyralis Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 637	It's definitely player and mob dependent. On mobs like the first three named in the Djinn Master's Prism, I still outheal the clerics, though not by as much. The sunchild, I certainly outheal them. Failed raiders in PPTR, I don't get to cast much more than an AE nuke. But overall, unless there are a plethora of adds, I'm going to heal more than the others. At the same time I also invariably outheal the other wardens in the guild, even when I remove Wild Growth from my heal count (I'm always the one doing regens).As noted, of course, we can't tell with the shaman.I do feel, though, that in general we should outheal clerics by a bit. It's the way the system's designed; we heal more. We just take longer to do it, making shaman and clerics indespensible as spike-healers. We just provide, with our high efficiency, the background level of healing that keeps the fight moving. __________________ -- Kyralis Warden of Nagafen

01-23-2006, 11:23 PM	#23
Sorano Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 505	Dragonrealms wrote: Morie wrote: Dragonrealms wrote: honestly, I think it's more dependant on the player than it is anything with either of the classes.. IMO, it's really more dependant on your designated raid role. The designated regen caster is probably going to out heal any other druid. I imagine the same is true with wards and reactives. Yes this is true but how do you then account for the warden in mt grp (or fury if you're so inclined though I don't think we've had anyone post up a parse of that) outhealing the templar also in the mt grp? I know for my parses, I was the regen caster (I always am when I'm at the raid), and the templar was the reactive caster, so that will then go back to the player and not the class OR the raid role. You have the cleric and druid in MT group casting their single target HoT/reactive? What do the healers outside the MT group do? I find it a relief to have another druid on the raid because I know I won't be buring power stacking both the single target and group HoT on the tank. Plus it takes way too much time to refresh the both of them and it would be even worse for the cleric who has a 5 sec cast on their group reactive. That there could be the reason why you are outhealing the templar. It just takes to long for them to stack both reactives. Plus the HoT is always ticking so if the tank is not healed to fill it's going to keep ticking over and those few 100 hps also start adding up. The raid healers in my guild have played together for quite a while now and know each other's healing styles and roles. I for instance will NEVER joust an AE unless it's one that will stun me for 40secs and is not curable. I just stand there and eat it. Both the cleric and shammy stack their hp buffs on me and it's not unusual for me to clear 7.5k hps, so I am reasonably well equipped to survive. My job is to heal and nothing else. The cleric is responsible for all the curing which is one of the most important jobs a priest can do. That however doesn't show up in a parse and neither do the shammys debuffs, which is hands down the one thing you cannot do without on a raid. Different raid roles mean different heal parse values and if healing is all you are going to go by on what defines a good priest then you are going to find your raids failing a lot. Message Edited by Sorano on 01-24-200606:24 AM __________________

01-24-2006, 02:06 AM	#24
Dragonreal General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,554	I'm the regen caster because I'm the only warden in guild and they feel that the warden's hot is better than the fury's hot /shrug It's not hard to keep it up, but maybe you would have issues because you're keeping your grp regen up as well which I don't do because i'd rather use my power for keeping the direct heal hots up and the tree. I guess you just have a different way of doing things. Also I'm the one doing the cures most of the time simply because I'm the fastest hlr at it. I don't joust on raids either because if I'm moving, I'm not healing; if an ae hits the hlrs, I just grp heal and we're fine. Sorano wrote: Different raid roles mean different heal parse values and if healing is all you are going to go by on what defines a good priest then you are going to find your raids failing a lot. Message Edited by Sorano on 01-24-200606:24 AM And btw, I'm the one a few posts ago who said healing parses should just be something you do for kicks and not something anyone should take truly seriously because of all the things hlrs do that cannot be parsed.

01-24-2006, 03:08 AM	#25
Mor Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 344	Dragonrealms wrote: I'm the regen caster because I'm the only warden in guild and they feel that the warden's hot is better than the fury's hot /shrugWarden and Fury regens (both ST and group) are identical. I handle the ST regens on our raids 1) because Fury direct healing is stronger and 2) I'm never in the MT group if there is a Fury available.

01-24-2006, 06:32 AM	#26
Dragonreal General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,554	Ours has a ranged value that goes higher than the static value a fury's has, grp regen is identical though. As for using the grp regen only to heal mt with well.. idk for us it's a situational thing /shrug I'm always mt grp though; that never changes, and the fury in guild actually prefers it that way (not that it's up to him since he's not raid ldr). Message Edited by Dragonrealms on 01-23-200608:37 PM

01-24-2006, 07:58 AM	#27
Mor Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 344	Dragonrealms wrote: Ours has a ranged value that goes higher than the static value a fury's has, grp regen is identical though. As for using the grp regen only to heal mt with well.. idk for us it's a situational thing /shrug I'm always mt grp though; that never changes, and the fury in guild actually prefers it that way (not that it's up to him since he's not raid ldr). Message Edited by Dragonrealms on 01-23-200608:37 PM Don't get me wrong, we both heal the MT. My directs and ST regen, Fury directs and group regen as needed. However, there's just no way for me to compete with Porcupine.

01-24-2006, 09:29 AM	#28
Dragonreal General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,554	heh well if your guild holds a 36s buff in that high esteem then /shrug Different guilds have different ways of doing things; my guild, I'm always mt grp over the fury and the fury actually [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]es when he has to be mt grp.

01-24-2006, 10:09 AM	#29
Sorano Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 505	Morie wrote: Dragonrealms wrote: I'm the regen caster because I'm the only warden in guild and they feel that the warden's hot is better than the fury's hot /shrugWarden and Fury regens (both ST and group) are identical. I handle the ST regens on our raids 1) because Fury direct healing is stronger and 2) I'm never in the MT group if there is a Fury available. Fury direct healing being stronger is debatable to say the least, but that aside, why does the fury need to be in the MT group to use their DHs? I know they can easily cast from outside just like any other priest class. If porcupine is the sole reason then I think you should have a chat with your raid leaders. The only time I can see porcupine being useful is if your tank is not geared properly and is still in T6 legendary or partial fabled. They might need the burst mitigation to cope with spike damage from orange con mobs simply because their gear isn't up to it. If your tank is properly equipped them a fury is better of in a DPS group. You don't lose out on any healing from them outside the MT group, but you certainly do if you leave the warden out. __________________

01-24-2006, 10:08 PM	#30
Mor Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 344	Sorano wrote: Fury direct healing being stronger is debatable to say the least, but that aside, why does the fury need to be in the MT group to use their DHs?Sorry, I didn't mean to imply this was the case. The only reason I brought up the MT is issue is because, with the Fury in the MT group, they can save their mana for DH and group regen, while I use my lesser DH's and ST regen.And yes, Fury DHs are superior, especially in a raid situation. If porcupine is the sole reason then I think you should have a chat with your raid leaders. The only time I can see porcupine being useful is if your tank is not geared properly and is still in T6 legendary or partial fabled. They might need the burst mitigation to cope with spike damage from orange con mobs simply because their gear isn't up to it. If your tank is properly equipped them a fury is better of in a DPS group. You don't lose out on any healing from them outside the MT group, but you certainly do if you leave the warden out.Nope we bring nothing to the MT group. Period. Resists are not nearly as useful as mitigation against orange cons or greater. And our guild among the top -- if not the top -- guild on our server. Our tanks are very, very well equipped.