Is anyone else tired of Wolf Form?

[Mythrini]

I mean, I love the added AC, health, power, extra attack, and so on. But the wolf form itself is beginning to get old. If it wasn't such a great buff, I would almost never use it.

 

Here are some reasons why:

 

1. SoE spent a substantial amount of time with character creation so that each character could have a unique customized appearance; but now every warden is running around in Wolf Form. Same size, same appearance, no diversity whatsoever (this is equally applicable to other classes and their respective forms).

 

2. The form is too large. I chose a small wood elf because I wanted a small character. Movement in Wolf Form also feels awkward. I've been using it for almost a week now, and it still doesn't feel right. I want to be bipedal again, d*mnit.

 

I understand that I could just stop using the spell, but who wants to sacrifice all of those awesome buffs?

 

I'd rather see this happen:

 

Give us an equivalent buff that grants no form, while making Wolf Form a pure fluff spell with no concentration requirement. That way everyone is happy, and no sacrifices need be made. Am I asking for too much here?

[Lazell]

I tried to help in combat, and the tank told me to just stay out of the way.*whimper*Yes, somebody needs the good old Shrink spell. Or we need a choice of animal forms. Maybe a Fox form (with Agility buff instead of AC buff perhaps) or something with smaller stature.

[Krib]

In groups, you're a healer and a buffer. You need to accept that.For what it's worth, I believe we get new forms as we progress; I'm just not sure what.

[Steamwalk]

I agree with the original poster in that wolf form is tired and old.  Maybe I am just conceited but I like zooming out and looking at my character but it isn't at all interested in wolf form.  Since I got this Warden quest staff, I like watching the kung fu melee which you can't see in wolf form.

[Raman]

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Message Edited by Ramanga on 12-06-2004 07:33 PM

[Raman]

What we really need is an option to toggle the appearance aspect of buffs, like the /hood command for helmets.  It's so incredibly easy and so obvious that I'm surprised it hasn't already been implemented.

[neble]

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Krib wrote:
In groups, you're a healer and a buffer. You need to accept that.

For what it's worth, I believe we get new forms as we progress; I'm just not sure what.

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I might of missed your point here, but I find wolf form just as useful in groups.  It provides a substantial power and health increase which often proves vital to me when Im the only healer in a group.  Wolf form is easily worth it's weight in concentration in and out of groups.  On a topic related note, I grouped with a lot of people over and over in the Steppes and one of my group members commented on one of the rare times I was out of wolf, "So THATs what you look like" ...haha.  Here's to hoping Call of the Fae comes with some great buffs too.  =)

[Kyralis]

Wolf form is always on. With the health, power and AC that it gives, it's essential in and out of groups. In groups it means that when I get aggro from healing (when there are 5 mobs there, one of them is going to take at least a few swings at me if I'm the only healer) that I don't have to run screaming for the tank to get it off me. Solo, of course, it makes things far more efficient.Also, I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you're not doing melee in combat, you're doing something wrong. You get no benefit whatsoever from *not* swinging away at the mob, and you might be surprised at how much extra damage you can do over the course of the fight- especially if you get lucky with a few vicious bites or the like.Also, I'd like to point out that quite often lately I *haven't* been just a healer and buffer. If there's a second healer in the group, I'm perfectly happy to let them deal with healing- I'll keep regrowth up and use caress if people look low- while I nuke, dot and debuff. Stinging swarm lowers defense, Cold Snap lowers elemental mitigation, Ensnaring Roots lowers agility, and the old standby of Weakness is still good even at 30+. Frost is actually quite nice to toss on when you've got some extra mana to play with.

[kerev]

Personally, I'm hoping they go back and make some of the fluff spells functional by having them duplicate a spell the class already has, but with a new form or something.

 

So Wardens with Dustcloud, instead of simply being able to throw a useless cloud of leaves around a target would surround themselves in the leaves, have all the benefits of wolfform, but still have their humanoid model visible in the cloud.

 

That would work for many classes except those like Coercers, Inquisitors, etc - but maybe they could have THEIR fluff spells changed to work on NPC's and have the same effect as one of their existing debuffs.

 

This wouldn't add new abilities to the classes, but would still provide the fluff but in a more useful/fun way AND allowing shape changers not to rely to much on their form.

 

The only downside is that would mean each class would have one 'effect' with identical spells, making it twice as likely to get a dropped version of a particular effect. (ie, get Adept 1 Dustcloud or Wolf-form)

 

Of course, those that had a better version of Wolf form  than Dustcloud would probably still find themselves furry most of the time, but having the option means there is at least a chance they can be as powerful in human form as in wolf form.

[Shaun]

At 31 I don't use my wolf form hardly at all in groups anymore.  I use that con for another group buff to help the group. I only use wolf form now when soloing.  At 30 we get a deer form that while cute at first quickly got old for me as well.  The constant hopping up and down in combat drives me nuts.  I have high hopes for Call of the Fae at 35 though.

[kerev]

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Shaunac wrote:

At 31 I don't use my wolf form hardly at all in groups anymore.  I use that con for another group buff to help the group. I only use wolf form now when soloing.  At 30 we get a deer form that while cute at first quickly got old for me as well.  The constant hopping up and down in combat drives me nuts.  I have high hopes for Call of the Fae at 35 though.

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Did the deer form have any stats?

[neble]

and do you know if Call of the Fae is suppose to have any stats?  What it is?

 

 

Hungry and eager for info on our shape change forms... heheh.

[Kyralis]

Deer form is solely for amusement, but it's creepy more than funny in my book. Not sure about Call of the Fae yet.

[neble]

Ok, now someone needs to go on unrest and get the scoop from Sheffield on Call of the Fae and then report back here.  :smileytongue:

[Ballyh]

I agree about the appearance being tiresome after a while, also so is constant barking.  However one aspect I do really like is in the heat of combat I can hear the distinctive yelp and know I have aggro.

[Sebastien]

This is my single and only regret about choosing Druid. I REALLY don't like the idea that I should ALWAYS be in animal form. I had hoped that wolf form was an alternative that offered tradeoffs: some good things and some bad things, so that I would do it sometimes but not others.Instead I find there is no reason not to do it, ever.Am I missing something, or is this really really boring? >,<

[Denon]

The problem with wolf form is you dont have an animation for /moon. 

 

But seriously, ya looking at the wolf gets old after a while.

 

[neble]

I'm eager to be able to turn into a deer, but than I remember that awful scream they make in combat.... does our deer form come equipped with that scream?   haha

[Alaile]

I agree.  Having to be in wolf form all the time gets VERY boreing.  I would be happy if they did a /showhood type command with this.

 

If this is not possible at least make our wolf size comparable to our human/elf/gnome whatever forms.  Give us options on how big our teeth are.  Gah the wolves just look evil!  This just makes no sence that every person turns into a giant wolf.  I like my little wood elf and I dont like being as big as a barbarian.  If I wanted to be that big, I would have chosen a different class

[Taron]

If you don't like it then Why do you stay in Wolf form all the time?It's just a spell you can cast and deactivate at any time.I'm wolf when I feel I need the extra power but most of the time (running around, talking with people etc.) i'm a cute little girl

[Jak]

Personally I Love Wolf form but maybe that cause I just made warden but on the spell list I've noticed there will be several spell we can take wolf form with so maybe those will be different!

[kevinjr]

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Caerwyn wrote:
Wolf form is always on. With the health, power and AC that it gives, it's essential in and out of groups. In groups it means that when I get aggro from healing (when there are 5 mobs there, one of them is going to take at least a few swings at me if I'm the only healer) that I don't have to run screaming for the tank to get it off me. Solo, of course, it makes things far more efficient.

Also, I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you're not doing melee in combat, you're doing something wrong. You get no benefit whatsoever from *not* swinging away at the mob, and you might be surprised at how much extra damage you can do over the course of the fight- especially if you get lucky with a few vicious bites or the like.

Also, I'd like to point out that quite often lately I *haven't* been just a healer and buffer. If there's a second healer in the group, I'm perfectly happy to let them deal with healing- I'll keep regrowth up and use caress if people look low- while I nuke, dot and debuff. Stinging swarm lowers defense, Cold Snap lowers elemental mitigation, Ensnaring Roots lowers agility, and the old standby of Weakness is still good even at 30+. Frost is actually quite nice to toss on when you've got some extra mana to play with.

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I understand what you are saying about melee, but I don't agree.  I used to agree, but no longer.  The thing is, you do very very very little damage in melee.  That wouldn't be a problem if there really was no reason not to do it.  However, when I am right up there in the fray and I take agro, its harder for the tanks to tell that one, I took agro, and two, who is hitting me. 

Also, as the MoBs start to hit harder its nice to be a few seconds away from them.  Not only does that save me a hit or two, it also gives the tanks a chance to catch the MoB BEFORE it hits me, as well as to give the healers a chance to start a healing cast on me BEFORE it hits me. 

 

[Morelyn]

I agree with the person who said there should be a /showhood equivalent for animal forms.  I would much rather LOOK like my normal self, while getting the benefits of wolf form.

 

[Sebastien]

A good tank should be watching your hitpoints the same way a healer would, and taunt accordingly imo.

[PyroMyst]

I don't think there should be a command to hide forms. It's about trade-offs. The added bonus are granted by being in wolf-form.When in the city I almost never have wolf form on. In fact, I rarely even use it in groups because I usually don't need the added bonuses. If however we do a named or I'm likely to get hit then I quickly cast it to get the benefits.Besides, the times when I need the benefits I (and the people likely to see my character) are far too busy to admire my character anyway so it doesn't matter whether I'm in wolf form or not.

[Raman]

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PyroMystic wrote:
I don't think there should be a command to hide forms. It's about trade-offs. The added bonus are granted by being in wolf-form.

When in the city I almost never have wolf form on. In fact, I rarely even use it in groups because I usually don't need the added bonuses. If however we do a named or I'm likely to get hit then I quickly cast it to get the benefits.

Besides, the times when I need the benefits I (and the people likely to see my character) are far too busy to admire my character anyway so it doesn't matter whether I'm in wolf form or not.

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It's not about "trade-offs".  Being in wolf form shouldn't have to be a negative.  When the novelty wears off, give us the chance to look at something else.  How hard can it really be to implement a /hood style command?  Or make the totally useless "Dust Cloud" fluff spell into a "restore original form" spell or something (that leaves us with the actual stat buffs).

[BZInfini]

The entire purpose of being in wolf form is that by assuming the essence of the wolf, you are enacted with more powerful stats, because you are --- a wolf. I disagree totally with turning it on and off, however:I love the idea about a Fox or a Racoon or something along those lines, I also picked a Wood Elf to be small, so a smaller form would be great. Either way -- Can't wait to get my Wolf!

[Graver Ja]

I can see where the Wolf Form gets old.  What I would like to see is that at every upgrade to the spell, there is a slightly different form.  Even if it has glowing eyes or something, it would be nice change of pace (what I would REALLY like is if the upgrade to your Wolf form is a 'werewolf' type form, half man-half wolf.  Shadowbane had an amazing model for their 'welgar' form that I'd love to see in EQ2.)  :smileyhappy:

[Kyralis]

I was really hoping that the 34 looked a bit different, but alas, no change.

[BZInfini]

Caer, no change AT ALL? Not even a color change or anything!?! =/