Verdicting Myself!!!!!!!!!!!! =(

ericshaitan · 07-26-2006, 05:54 PM

So we were fighting in Lyceum a couple of night ago and at 1% I tried once again to kill "Gnillaw the Demented" at the right time to pwn him when he deathsaves. But.....I cast verdict and BOOM! 1.5 seconds later i go from full HP to 1HP. Needless to say 3 people try to rez me as i look dead. This was a definitly a hallmark for myself. Go Verdict go.

inhumanus1986 · 07-26-2006, 07:23 PM

[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]!!!!!!!!! LOL

Fon · 07-27-2006, 12:30 AM

Hahahaha! Oh man, good times. SMILEY

Kadurm · 07-27-2006, 07:07 AM

Umm yeah, gotta watch who you got targeted when that one goes off. Kinda like the lightsocket and the fork routine, You only do it once!

Listad12 · 07-27-2006, 08:29 PM

holy [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], so all those times our MT went down was because of Verdict ?

oh [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] !

Shailen · 07-27-2006, 08:39 PM

So silly question. What was your health at when you cast it? Maybe this will answer the standing question of what the % is that players need to be at for this to work.

hardwi · 07-28-2006, 06:13 AM

lol Nothing like owning yourself.

ericshaitan · 07-28-2006, 05:24 PM

Shailen wrote:
So silly question. What was your health at when you cast it? Maybe this will answer the standing question of what the % is that players need to be at for this to work.

As stated in the my first post, i was at Full HP. I still have no freakin' idea how it happened. but every time i fight that mob i try and replicate it.

SorrySonOfA · 07-28-2006, 09:53 PM

Doesn't a troubador have a spell that has a % chance to completly reflect incoming damage back at a caster? Thought I remembered that, if that is correct, maybe there is a bit of a bard to that mob, and you just got very very very unlucky.

ericshaitan · 07-28-2006, 09:55 PM

Yea there are a few mobs out there that can reflect spells. I have never known this guy to be one of those mobs though.

Vicenzo · 07-28-2006, 10:00 PM

Did you get AA? Or drop any decent loot?

Jordinn · 07-28-2006, 10:15 PM

Gnillaw doesn't reflect that I know of. That's sort of funny and now I want to log on and try it SMILEY

FYI I have tried to cast Verdict through the tank implied target and it won't cast, you don't verdict the tank. That would suck.

Tarta · 07-30-2006, 08:22 PM

Jordinn wrote:

Gnillaw doesn't reflect that I know of. That's sort of funny and now I want to log on and try it

FYI I have tried to cast Verdict through the tank implied target and it won't cast, you don't verdict the tank. That would suck.

Huh? I use implied target for verdict always.. as in every single time. Of course it does not hit the tank, it works just like any other offensive spell does. And, I must say, it alwasy works, too. I love the big blue gavel!

That said, I'd ove to know how the OP ended up verdicting himself... That's just bizarre (esp. from full health) - must be some sort of bug. Do you have the log to show what happened? Perhaps you could paste it in here for us to see, too.

Tarta - 70 inqui - Guk

Lanfeare · 07-30-2006, 11:30 PM

Out of curiosity did it say in your logs how much it hit for etc?

Shailen · 07-31-2006, 12:42 AM

I'd guess bug, but there are spells that do strange things for targetting. I know Jesters Cap, if cast on a person outside of combat, will end up landing on their implied target instead of them, but if you've started fighting it will land on the person who's targetted.Makes no sense to me, and I'm pretty sure its a bug. This may be one as well. It might only happening if your targetting yourself. Thats the only time I know of that both the target and implied target are the same (besides when they're both empty)

ericshaitan · 07-31-2006, 05:27 PM

Aye, i am still considiering it a bug. I have tried to reproduce it without success. But, I was targeting the mob directly. Don't have the log for it because I leave the part to the number crunchers in the guild. "I just spam da heals der boss."

Pins · 07-31-2006, 09:06 PM

Jordinn wrote:
Gnillaw doesn't reflect that I know of. That's sort of funny and now I want to log on and try it
FYI I have tried to cast Verdict through the tank implied target and it won't cast, you don't verdict the tank. That would suck.

Gnillaw reflects a few spells after he does his heal. You were too late on the Verdict, and he did his heal+reflect combo.

ericshaitan · 07-31-2006, 09:16 PM

Pinski wrote:
Jordinn wrote:
Gnillaw doesn't reflect that I know of. That's sort of funny and now I want to log on and try it
FYI I have tried to cast Verdict through the tank implied target and it won't cast, you don't verdict the tank. That would suck.
Gnillaw reflects a few spells after he does his heal. You were too late on the Verdict, and he did his heal+reflect combo.

Cool, thanks for the info, that would explain it.

Jordinn · 07-31-2006, 09:20 PM

On Gnillaw: Wow I never noticed he reflected at all. Good to know. SMILEY

On Verdict through implied target: odd that it worked for you, I've had it fail to cast on several occasions on several mobs and targeting directly worked. I was watching mob health and didn't cast until it was at 2%, and then when it failed had to retarget and retry getting thecast off at about 1%. I'll have to play with this to see what I'm doing or how it isn't working correctly.

Shailen · 07-31-2006, 09:35 PM

Jordinn wrote:

On Gnillaw: Wow I never noticed he reflected at all. Good to know.

On Verdict through implied target: odd that it worked for you, I've had it fail to cast on several occasions on several mobs and targeting directly worked. I was watching mob health and didn't cast until it was at 2%, and then when it failed had to retarget and retry getting thecast off at about 1%. I'll have to play with this to see what I'm doing or how it isn't working correctly.

I doubt that had to do with targetting. I suspect it just got resisted.I'd say 95% ot the times I've used verdict its been through the implied target of our MT, since with very few exceptions I'm targetting him all the time at the end of a raid.

ericshaitan · 07-31-2006, 09:35 PM

I typically always target the mob anyways incase the MT loose agro i can give who ever is tanking it a small fighting chance to live.

Jordinn · 07-31-2006, 09:43 PM

I do both depending on the mob and how our raid force is doing that night on holding agro. When we get "experimental" I Often heal through the mob for that reason SMILEY Otherwise I target MT and swap targets to spot heal.

EDIT: Typos

Message Edited by Jordinn on 07-31-2006 10:44 AM

ericshaitan · 07-31-2006, 09:48 PM

Noe Edittting of Typeos'. Uncut, Puur, All-Nattural. Thast' they way I prefer it.

Shailen · 07-31-2006, 10:30 PM

I do both depending on the fight, but when it ends up being verdict time I seem to find myself targeting the MT (assuming he's alive). Then again being in the MT group means I have him target a lot of times irregardless of if he's actually tanking at the time.

ericshaitan · 08-23-2006, 05:49 AM

Well Here it is. I was finally able to repoduce the effects of Verdicting myself. See the large picture below because paint does a crap job resizing.I Forgot to mention it but if you look right below where it says Verdict was reflected is says...

"YOU HAVE BEEN BANISHED!"The effects of Verdict actually going off. *note* I was at Full HP before casting =)

Message Edited by ericshaitan on 08-22-2006 06:53 PM

Giem Boelcke · 08-23-2006, 06:31 AM

[Removed for Content] that rocks!

Illaren · 08-23-2006, 12:26 PM

lol kinda rude of him to tell u to your face you failed after dropping u to 1HP, he basically kicked u while u were down man!

Troysmith · 08-23-2006, 03:31 PM

That is hilarious grats on being able to get it to happen again. Good thing you didn't have aggro. :smileyvery-happy:

Ssinu · 08-23-2006, 06:43 PM

Gnilllaw does this all the time - you don't have to be "late" you can be on time and you still get Verdict'd. But I haven't been able to verdict myself after Sentry Watch is used (that's what he uses to rescue himself). So not sure if the chance is just less or whatever.

ericshaitan · 08-23-2006, 07:05 PM

Ssinurn wrote:Gnilllaw does this all the time - you don't have to be "late" you can be on time and you still get Verdict'd. But I haven't been able to verdict myself after Sentry Watch is used (that's what he uses to rescue himself). So not sure if the chance is just less or whatever.

Ssin'urn, Have you ever been able to verdict this guy? Still wondering if its even possible.

07-26-2006, 05:54 PM	#1
ericshaitan Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 259	So we were fighting in Lyceum a couple of night ago and at 1% I tried once again to kill "Gnillaw the Demented" at the right time to pwn him when he deathsaves. But.....I cast verdict and BOOM! 1.5 seconds later i go from full HP to 1HP. Needless to say 3 people try to rez me as i look dead. This was a definitly a hallmark for myself. Go Verdict go. __________________

07-27-2006, 12:30 AM	#3
Fon Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7	Hahahaha! Oh man, good times. __________________ Geezo Sneezo Retired Officer of The Last Word

07-27-2006, 08:39 PM	#6
Shailen Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 391	So silly question. What was your health at when you cast it? Maybe this will answer the standing question of what the % is that players need to be at for this to work. __________________ _____________________________ Shailon - 70 - Inquisitor - Venekor

07-28-2006, 05:24 PM	#8
ericshaitan Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 259	Shailen wrote: So silly question. What was your health at when you cast it? Maybe this will answer the standing question of what the % is that players need to be at for this to work. As stated in the my first post, i was at Full HP. I still have no freakin' idea how it happened. but every time i fight that mob i try and replicate it. __________________

07-28-2006, 09:53 PM	#9
SorrySonOfA Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 114	Doesn't a troubador have a spell that has a % chance to completly reflect incoming damage back at a caster? Thought I remembered that, if that is correct, maybe there is a bit of a bard to that mob, and you just got very very very unlucky. __________________

07-26-2006, 07:23 PM	#2
inhumanus1986 Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 103	[expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]!!!!!!!!! LOL

07-27-2006, 07:07 AM	#4
Kadurm Tester Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 424	Umm yeah, gotta watch who you got targeted when that one goes off. Kinda like the lightsocket and the fork routine, You only do it once!

07-27-2006, 08:29 PM	#5
Listad12 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 60	holy [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn], so all those times our MT went down was because of Verdict ? oh [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] !

07-28-2006, 06:13 AM	#7
hardwi General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 14	lol Nothing like owning yourself.

07-28-2006, 09:55 PM	#10
ericshaitan Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 259	Yea there are a few mobs out there that can reflect spells. I have never known this guy to be one of those mobs though. __________________

07-28-2006, 10:00 PM	#11
Vicenzo Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 88	Did you get AA? Or drop any decent loot? __________________ ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- In nothing do men more nearly approach the gods than in giving health to others. ~Cicero

07-28-2006, 10:15 PM	#12
Jordinn Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 55	Gnillaw doesn't reflect that I know of. That's sort of funny and now I want to log on and try it FYI I have tried to cast Verdict through the tank implied target and it won't cast, you don't verdict the tank. That would suck. __________________ Jordinn, 70 Troubador Epicure, 70 Inquisitor Cataclysm Permafrost

07-30-2006, 08:22 PM	#13
Tarta Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 106	Jordinn wrote: Gnillaw doesn't reflect that I know of. That's sort of funny and now I want to log on and try it FYI I have tried to cast Verdict through the tank implied target and it won't cast, you don't verdict the tank. That would suck. Huh? I use implied target for verdict always.. as in every single time. Of course it does not hit the tank, it works just like any other offensive spell does. And, I must say, it alwasy works, too. I love the big blue gavel! That said, I'd ove to know how the OP ended up verdicting himself... That's just bizarre (esp. from full health) - must be some sort of bug. Do you have the log to show what happened? Perhaps you could paste it in here for us to see, too. Tarta - 70 inqui - Guk

07-30-2006, 11:30 PM	#14
Lanfeare Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 65	Out of curiosity did it say in your logs how much it hit for etc? __________________ I don't care about the state of my mind as I know its good for nothing but its left yours behind.

07-31-2006, 12:42 AM	#15
Shailen Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 391	I'd guess bug, but there are spells that do strange things for targetting. I know Jesters Cap, if cast on a person outside of combat, will end up landing on their implied target instead of them, but if you've started fighting it will land on the person who's targetted.Makes no sense to me, and I'm pretty sure its a bug. This may be one as well. It might only happening if your targetting yourself. Thats the only time I know of that both the target and implied target are the same (besides when they're both empty) __________________ _____________________________ Shailon - 70 - Inquisitor - Venekor

07-31-2006, 05:27 PM	#16
ericshaitan Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 259	Aye, i am still considiering it a bug. I have tried to reproduce it without success. But, I was targeting the mob directly. Don't have the log for it because I leave the part to the number crunchers in the guild. "I just spam da heals der boss." __________________

07-31-2006, 09:06 PM	#17
Pins General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,040	Jordinn wrote: Gnillaw doesn't reflect that I know of. That's sort of funny and now I want to log on and try it FYI I have tried to cast Verdict through the tank implied target and it won't cast, you don't verdict the tank. That would suck. Gnillaw reflects a few spells after he does his heal. You were too late on the Verdict, and he did his heal+reflect combo. __________________ Calaglin, Former Illusionist/Guild Leader of Dissolution on Nektulos Calaglin, Former Illusionist/Guild Leader of Confirmed on Unrest

07-31-2006, 09:16 PM	#18
ericshaitan Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 259	Pinski wrote: Jordinn wrote: Gnillaw doesn't reflect that I know of. That's sort of funny and now I want to log on and try it FYI I have tried to cast Verdict through the tank implied target and it won't cast, you don't verdict the tank. That would suck. Gnillaw reflects a few spells after he does his heal. You were too late on the Verdict, and he did his heal+reflect combo. Cool, thanks for the info, that would explain it. __________________

07-31-2006, 09:20 PM	#19
Jordinn Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 55	On Gnillaw: Wow I never noticed he reflected at all. Good to know. On Verdict through implied target: odd that it worked for you, I've had it fail to cast on several occasions on several mobs and targeting directly worked. I was watching mob health and didn't cast until it was at 2%, and then when it failed had to retarget and retry getting thecast off at about 1%. I'll have to play with this to see what I'm doing or how it isn't working correctly. __________________ Jordinn, 70 Troubador Epicure, 70 Inquisitor Cataclysm Permafrost

07-31-2006, 09:35 PM	#20
Shailen Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 391	Jordinn wrote: On Gnillaw: Wow I never noticed he reflected at all. Good to know. On Verdict through implied target: odd that it worked for you, I've had it fail to cast on several occasions on several mobs and targeting directly worked. I was watching mob health and didn't cast until it was at 2%, and then when it failed had to retarget and retry getting thecast off at about 1%. I'll have to play with this to see what I'm doing or how it isn't working correctly. I doubt that had to do with targetting. I suspect it just got resisted.I'd say 95% ot the times I've used verdict its been through the implied target of our MT, since with very few exceptions I'm targetting him all the time at the end of a raid. __________________ _____________________________ Shailon - 70 - Inquisitor - Venekor

07-31-2006, 09:43 PM	#22
Jordinn Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 55	I do both depending on the mob and how our raid force is doing that night on holding agro. When we get "experimental" I Often heal through the mob for that reason Otherwise I target MT and swap targets to spot heal. EDIT: Typos Message Edited by Jordinn on 07-31-2006 10:44 AM __________________ Jordinn, 70 Troubador Epicure, 70 Inquisitor Cataclysm Permafrost

07-31-2006, 09:48 PM	#23
ericshaitan Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 259	Noe Edittting of Typeos'. Uncut, Puur, All-Nattural. Thast' they way I prefer it. __________________

07-31-2006, 10:30 PM	#24
Shailen Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 391	I do both depending on the fight, but when it ends up being verdict time I seem to find myself targeting the MT (assuming he's alive). Then again being in the MT group means I have him target a lot of times irregardless of if he's actually tanking at the time. __________________ _____________________________ Shailon - 70 - Inquisitor - Venekor

08-23-2006, 05:49 AM	#25
ericshaitan Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 259	Well Here it is. I was finally able to repoduce the effects of Verdicting myself. See the large picture below because paint does a crap job resizing.I Forgot to mention it but if you look right below where it says Verdict was reflected is says... *"YOU HAVE BEEN BANISHED!"The effects of Verdict actually going off. note* I was at Full HP before casting =)** Message Edited by ericshaitan on 08-22-2006 06:53 PM __________________

08-23-2006, 06:31 AM	#26
Giem Boelcke Lord Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 15	[Removed for Content] that rocks!

08-23-2006, 12:26 PM	#27
Illaren Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 23	lol kinda rude of him to tell u to your face you failed after dropping u to 1HP, he basically kicked u while u were down man!

08-23-2006, 03:31 PM	#28
Troysmith Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 90	That is hilarious grats on being able to get it to happen again. Good thing you didn't have aggro. :smileyvery-happy: __________________ Tigro 80 Brigand Mayhem Kagor 80 Inquisitor

08-23-2006, 06:43 PM	#29
Ssinu General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 235	Gnilllaw does this all the time - you don't have to be "late" you can be on time and you still get Verdict'd. But I haven't been able to verdict myself after Sentry Watch is used (that's what he uses to rescue himself). So not sure if the chance is just less or whatever. __________________

08-23-2006, 07:05 PM	#30
ericshaitan Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 259	Ssinurn wrote:Gnilllaw does this all the time - you don't have to be "late" you can be on time and you still get Verdict'd. But I haven't been able to verdict myself after Sentry Watch is used (that's what he uses to rescue himself). So not sure if the chance is just less or whatever. Ssin'urn, Have you ever been able to verdict this guy? Still wondering if its even possible. __________________