Level 20 training options?

gl · 05-31-2005, 12:54 AM

I just hit level 20, and have not made my training selection yet. What are your opinons as to these options; are there any that are signficiantly more useful than the others, or that have utility long after the others are moved off the hotbar?

Ke · 05-31-2005, 01:22 AM

At 50 I still use Vesegar's Bulwark of Faith from time to time. Heals for more than BoV adept III, and they both stack with our inquisitor reactives (BoV/VBoF are cleric spells). I think the redoubt training upgrade would be my second choice, but go for VBoF :smileytongue: That said, you will usually get your answer quicker by searching on questions like these, it's been answered quite a few times before.

gl · 05-31-2005, 06:10 AM

Thank you for the response. I may *usually* get a response faster if I search, but, in this case, I searched on various permutations of "training", "class", as well as words in each training option's name, with no responses that really spoke to the differences. Searching other sites (allakhazam, ogaming) and even google did not turn up relevant discussions. It did seem odd that it had not been answered before, but I could not turn it up. That said, I would be happy to do the collating and HTML formatting work if other people want to contribute content for a sticky post...

Ke · 05-31-2005, 01:03 PM

Sorry, didn't mean to sound condescending. The trick though, is to do the advanced search, and say you want posts from further back then 7 days, which is the default. Stupid search engine on these forums. If you select e.g. last 180 days, and "return results only from" "Inquisitor Subclass", and search for "20 training", I turned up, among others, the following threads (if you want more than my view of it): http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=14&message.id=1922&query.id=0 http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=14&message.id=3968&query.id=0 Hope this will let you make your choice. Btw, how would you go about making a sticky? I'd be happy to help, not much to do but troll boards at 50 :smileytongue:

gl · 05-31-2005, 10:36 PM

Actually, since I did not figure out the Advanced Search, I deserved a little condescending SMILEY

As for the sticky, I think all we can do is ask an admin to do it...but we could consolidate some of the threads into a post like one I have seen on the Illusionist board: http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=26&message.id=2543 That is not a sticky -- but it gets bumped often enought that it may as well be SMILEY

Message Edited by glud on 05-31-2005 11:36 AM

ArivenGemini · 06-02-2005, 02:21 AM

Keeg wrote:At 50 I still use Vesegar's Bulwark of Faith from time to time. Heals for more than BoV adept III, and they both stack with our inquisitor reactives (BoV/VBoF are cleric spells). I think the redoubt training upgrade would be my second choice, but go for VBoF :smileytongue: That said, you will usually get your answer quicker by searching on questions like these, it's been answered quite a few times before.

VBoF does more per heal than the BoV adept 3? thats wierd, but thank you for saving me 20-25g SMILEY

I will stick with BoV at adept 1 and VBoF when I can spare the extra power for my "low power" heals.

AndorDehay · 06-02-2005, 05:42 AM

Hi all, I am currently a froglok cleric with the goal of becoming a inquisitor. I currently have two silver clusters to upgrade my Tier2 spells, and one rough jasper. From all of the posts i have read here the best plan for maximum inquisitor healing effectiveness is to: take Vesagar's Bulwark of Faith at lvl 20 make adept III Soothing sermon make adept III archhealing then at lvl 26 make adept III Favor of the Repentant this sounds like a good plan for spell upgrades? Please let me know if you see something wrong here. . . Quicktongue of Butcherblock

Celiondra · 06-02-2005, 07:29 PM

AndorDehay wrote:
Hi all,

I am currently a froglok cleric with the goal of becoming a inquisitor. I currently have two silver clusters to upgrade my Tier2 spells, and one rough jasper.

From all of the posts i have read here the best plan for maximum inquisitor healing effectiveness is to:

take Vesagar's Bulwark of Faith at lvl 20
make adept III Soothing sermon
make adept III archhealing
then at lvl 26 make adept III Favor of the Repentant

this sounds like a good plan for spell upgrades? Please let me know if you see something wrong here. . .

Quicktongue of Butcherblock

Maybe I'm missing it but why would you want Soothing Sermon adept III?

ArivenGemini · 06-02-2005, 07:42 PM

Celiondra wrote:

AndorDehay wrote:Hi all,I am currently a froglok cleric with the goal of becoming a inquisitor. I currently have two silver clusters to upgrade my Tier2 spells, and one rough jasper.From all of the posts i have read here the best plan for maximum inquisitor healing effectiveness is to:take Vesagar's Bulwark of Faith at lvl 20make adept III Soothing sermonmake adept III archhealingthen at lvl 26 make adept III Favor of the Repentantthis sounds like a good plan for spell upgrades? Please let me know if you see something wrong here. . .Quicktongue of Butcherblock

Maybe I'm missing it but why would you want Soothing Sermon adept III?

I have found myself using spells 30-35+ lower than my current level at times. In fact I find myself using my level 11ish reactive far more than I would expect to at level 40.. I also use my level 1 "minor healing" spell more than I would expect to.. plus in a situation where I am mentoring having spells up to date helps... my goal is to have every heal I have at adept or higher, even if I am not actively using it... just in case.

Ke · 06-02-2005, 08:46 PM

Celiondra wrote:

AndorDehay wrote:Hi all,I am currently a froglok cleric with the goal of becoming a inquisitor. I currently have two silver clusters to upgrade my Tier2 spells, and one rough jasper.From all of the posts i have read here the best plan for maximum inquisitor healing effectiveness is to:take Vesagar's Bulwark of Faith at lvl 20make adept III Soothing sermonmake adept III archhealingthen at lvl 26 make adept III Favor of the Repentantthis sounds like a good plan for spell upgrades? Please let me know if you see something wrong here. . .Quicktongue of Butcherblock

Maybe I'm missing it but why would you want Soothing Sermon adept III?

Because Soothing Sermon stacks with BoV/VBoF, in the sense that they will both fire when your tank is hit, giving you two reactive procs on each hit till one of them is spent. This is a much more mana-efficient way to keep your tank up when BoV doesn't cut it, than relying on direct heals. It's a bit more cumbersome, considering the 5sec cast on SS, but you'll find you use much less mana this way. Vs caster mobs is the only time I use direct heals really. (Anyone but me hate Nil Distortion?) As for your choices Andor, they look nice, as long as you remember that lvl12-20 will be harder without BoV adept III. I'd suggest Daring before Arch Healing though, since with SS adept III and VBoF you'll use Arch Healing very rarely, while Daring will always be there. I used my Daring adept III to lvl36-37 i believe, till Dauntless Adept I finally caught up... It depends on your playstyle though. And yeah, old heals will almost always be useful. BoV, SS, Arch Healing, Prayer of Amelioration, Favor of the Repentant are all on my main spell bar at 50... I even have Minor Healing on a secondary bar for filling in HO's when I don't need to use any other "chalice" spells :smileytongue:

ArivenGemini · 06-02-2005, 09:21 PM

Keeg wrote: And yeah, old heals will almost always be useful. BoV, SS, Arch Healing, Prayer of Amelioration, Favor of the Repentant are all on my main spell bar at 50... I even have Minor Healing on a secondary bar for filling in HO's when I don't need to use any other "chalice" spells :smileytongue:

Duoing with a guardian guildmate I have used Minor Healing on more than one occaision when virtually OOP.. as it was -just- enough to keep him up and beating on the mob by spam casting it as the power needs came available.. SMILEY

AndorDehay · 06-03-2005, 04:38 AM

Keeg wrote:
Celiondra wrote:

AndorDehay wrote:Hi all,I am currently a froglok cleric with the goal of becoming a inquisitor. I currently have two silver clusters to upgrade my Tier2 spells, and one rough jasper.From all of the posts i have read here the best plan for maximum inquisitor healing effectiveness is to:take Vesagar's Bulwark of Faith at lvl 20make adept III Soothing sermonmake adept III archhealingthen at lvl 26 make adept III Favor of the Repentantthis sounds like a good plan for spell upgrades? Please let me know if you see something wrong here. . .Quicktongue of Butcherblock

Maybe I'm missing it but why would you want Soothing Sermon adept III?
Because Soothing Sermon stacks with BoV/VBoF, in the sense that they will both fire when your tank is hit, giving you two reactive procs on each hit till one of them is spent. This is a much more mana-efficient way to keep your tank up when BoV doesn't cut it, than relying on direct heals. It's a bit more cumbersome, considering the 5sec cast on SS, but you'll find you use much less mana this way. Vs caster mobs is the only time I use direct heals really. (Anyone but me hate Nil Distortion?) As for your choices Andor, they look nice, as long as you remember that lvl12-20 will be harder without BoV adept III. I'd suggest Daring before Arch Healing though, since with SS adept III and VBoF you'll use Arch Healing very rarely, while Daring will always be there. I used my Daring adept III to lvl36-37 i believe, till Dauntless Adept I finally caught up... It depends on your playstyle though. And yeah, old heals will almost always be useful. BoV, SS, Arch Healing, Prayer of Amelioration, Favor of the Repentant are all on my main spell bar at 50... I even have Minor Healing on a secondary bar for filling in HO's when I don't need to use any other "chalice" spells :smileytongue:

Thanks guys, your input has been invaluable. One quick question I had was about Soothing Sermon, does this spell have a 30sec duration like BoV? I know the first shamen group ward only had a duration of 10secs, and the 2nd had a 30 sec duration. I found that the 30 sec duration on the second spell made a huge impact on the useabililty of the spell. Also regarding BoV not being at adept III, I looted an adept I BoV last nite in antonica. I actually got 4 lvl 10-17 adept I spells last night while soloing heroic crabs on the south beach in antonica. If any of you are missing Tier2 adept I that you wanna try and get, i recommend rolling an alt (or mentoring) and soloing these heroic crabs in the south beach area, awesome XP from 10-13 and lots of chest drops . . . Thanks for the help, Quicktongue

Trucido_De · 06-04-2005, 12:18 AM

I'm still using Shizara's Castigation. It's the only divine resist debuff you'll get (in the initial release), and with the reactive heal issue, this one helps reduce the number of heals lost to damage shield resists. It's also the biggest mitigation debuff you'll see before the expansion (-800). Can't see myself still using any of the others.

Message Edited by Trucido_Deus on 06-03-2005 01:20 PM

Ke · 06-05-2005, 10:29 PM

Trucido_Deus wrote:
I'm still using Shizara's Castigation. It's the only divine resist debuff you'll get (in the initial release), and with the reactive heal issue, this one helps reduce the number of heals lost to damage shield resists. It's also the biggest mitigation debuff you'll see before the expansion (-800). Can't see myself still using any of the others.
Message Edited by Trucido_Deus on 06-03-2005 01:20 PM

It's not the only divine mitigation debuff we get. Harrowing Inquest, our power drain at lvl45, also debuffs the target for 1005 divine mitigation at adept III (as well as 1005 mental and magic). Can't recall, but guessing 800-900 at adept I. Good point about the bugged reactives though, hadn't thought of that.

Message Edited by Keeg on 06-05-2005 08:52 PM

Trucido_De · 06-07-2005, 11:32 AM

You know, for some reason I had it in my head that Harrowing Inquest did Heat, Cold and Mental. Heh, glad you pointed that out. Go my ability to read!

05-31-2005, 01:22 AM	#2
Ke Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 105	At 50 I still use Vesegar's Bulwark of Faith from time to time. Heals for more than BoV adept III, and they both stack with our inquisitor reactives (BoV/VBoF are cleric spells). I think the redoubt training upgrade would be my second choice, but go for VBoF :smileytongue: That said, you will usually get your answer quicker by searching on questions like these, it's been answered quite a few times before. __________________ Keeg 50 Inquisitor of Oggok

05-31-2005, 01:03 PM	#4
Ke Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 105	Sorry, didn't mean to sound condescending. The trick though, is to do the advanced search, and say you want posts from further back then 7 days, which is the default. Stupid search engine on these forums. If you select e.g. last 180 days, and "return results only from" "Inquisitor Subclass", and search for "20 training", I turned up, among others, the following threads (if you want more than my view of it): http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=14&message.id=1922&query.id=0 http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=14&message.id=3968&query.id=0 Hope this will let you make your choice. Btw, how would you go about making a sticky? I'd be happy to help, not much to do but troll boards at 50 :smileytongue: __________________ Keeg 50 Inquisitor of Oggok

05-31-2005, 10:36 PM	#5
gl Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3	Actually, since I did not figure out the Advanced Search, I deserved a little condescending As for the sticky, I think all we can do is ask an admin to do it...but we could consolidate some of the threads into a post like one I have seen on the Illusionist board: http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=26&message.id=2543 That is not a sticky -- but it gets bumped often enought that it may as well be Message Edited by glud on 05-31-2005 11:36 AM

06-02-2005, 02:21 AM	#6
ArivenGemini Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,260	Keeg wrote:At 50 I still use Vesegar's Bulwark of Faith from time to time. Heals for more than BoV adept III, and they both stack with our inquisitor reactives (BoV/VBoF are cleric spells). I think the redoubt training upgrade would be my second choice, but go for VBoF :smileytongue: That said, you will usually get your answer quicker by searching on questions like these, it's been answered quite a few times before. VBoF does more per heal than the BoV adept 3? thats wierd, but thank you for saving me 20-25g I will stick with BoV at adept 1 and VBoF when I can spare the extra power for my "low power" heals. __________________

06-02-2005, 07:29 PM	#8
Celiondra Loremaster Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 43	AndorDehay wrote: Hi all, I am currently a froglok cleric with the goal of becoming a inquisitor. I currently have two silver clusters to upgrade my Tier2 spells, and one rough jasper. From all of the posts i have read here the best plan for maximum inquisitor healing effectiveness is to: take Vesagar's Bulwark of Faith at lvl 20 make adept III Soothing sermon make adept III archhealing then at lvl 26 make adept III Favor of the Repentant this sounds like a good plan for spell upgrades? Please let me know if you see something wrong here. . . Quicktongue of Butcherblock Maybe I'm missing it but why would you want Soothing Sermon adept III? __________________

05-31-2005, 12:54 AM	#1
gl Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3	I just hit level 20, and have not made my training selection yet. What are your opinons as to these options; are there any that are signficiantly more useful than the others, or that have utility long after the others are moved off the hotbar?

05-31-2005, 06:10 AM	#3
gl Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3	Thank you for the response. I may usually get a response faster if I search, but, in this case, I searched on various permutations of "training", "class", as well as words in each training option's name, with no responses that really spoke to the differences. Searching other sites (allakhazam, ogaming) and even google did not turn up relevant discussions. It did seem odd that it had not been answered before, but I could not turn it up. That said, I would be happy to do the collating and HTML formatting work if other people want to contribute content for a sticky post...

06-02-2005, 05:42 AM	#7
AndorDehay Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 16	Hi all, I am currently a froglok cleric with the goal of becoming a inquisitor. I currently have two silver clusters to upgrade my Tier2 spells, and one rough jasper. From all of the posts i have read here the best plan for maximum inquisitor healing effectiveness is to: take Vesagar's Bulwark of Faith at lvl 20 make adept III Soothing sermon make adept III archhealing then at lvl 26 make adept III Favor of the Repentant this sounds like a good plan for spell upgrades? Please let me know if you see something wrong here. . . Quicktongue of Butcherblock

06-02-2005, 07:42 PM	#9
ArivenGemini Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,260	Celiondra wrote: AndorDehay wrote:Hi all,I am currently a froglok cleric with the goal of becoming a inquisitor. I currently have two silver clusters to upgrade my Tier2 spells, and one rough jasper.From all of the posts i have read here the best plan for maximum inquisitor healing effectiveness is to:take Vesagar's Bulwark of Faith at lvl 20make adept III Soothing sermonmake adept III archhealingthen at lvl 26 make adept III Favor of the Repentantthis sounds like a good plan for spell upgrades? Please let me know if you see something wrong here. . .Quicktongue of Butcherblock Maybe I'm missing it but why would you want Soothing Sermon adept III? I have found myself using spells 30-35+ lower than my current level at times. In fact I find myself using my level 11ish reactive far more than I would expect to at level 40.. I also use my level 1 "minor healing" spell more than I would expect to.. plus in a situation where I am mentoring having spells up to date helps... my goal is to have every heal I have at adept or higher, even if I am not actively using it... just in case. __________________

06-02-2005, 08:46 PM	#10
Ke Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 105	Celiondra wrote: AndorDehay wrote:Hi all,I am currently a froglok cleric with the goal of becoming a inquisitor. I currently have two silver clusters to upgrade my Tier2 spells, and one rough jasper.From all of the posts i have read here the best plan for maximum inquisitor healing effectiveness is to:take Vesagar's Bulwark of Faith at lvl 20make adept III Soothing sermonmake adept III archhealingthen at lvl 26 make adept III Favor of the Repentantthis sounds like a good plan for spell upgrades? Please let me know if you see something wrong here. . .Quicktongue of Butcherblock Maybe I'm missing it but why would you want Soothing Sermon adept III? Because Soothing Sermon stacks with BoV/VBoF, in the sense that they will both fire when your tank is hit, giving you two reactive procs on each hit till one of them is spent. This is a much more mana-efficient way to keep your tank up when BoV doesn't cut it, than relying on direct heals. It's a bit more cumbersome, considering the 5sec cast on SS, but you'll find you use much less mana this way. Vs caster mobs is the only time I use direct heals really. (Anyone but me hate Nil Distortion?) As for your choices Andor, they look nice, as long as you remember that lvl12-20 will be harder without BoV adept III. I'd suggest Daring before Arch Healing though, since with SS adept III and VBoF you'll use Arch Healing very rarely, while Daring will always be there. I used my Daring adept III to lvl36-37 i believe, till Dauntless Adept I finally caught up... It depends on your playstyle though. And yeah, old heals will almost always be useful. BoV, SS, Arch Healing, Prayer of Amelioration, Favor of the Repentant are all on my main spell bar at 50... I even have Minor Healing on a secondary bar for filling in HO's when I don't need to use any other "chalice" spells :smileytongue: __________________ Keeg 50 Inquisitor of Oggok

06-02-2005, 09:21 PM	#11
ArivenGemini Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,260	Keeg wrote: And yeah, old heals will almost always be useful. BoV, SS, Arch Healing, Prayer of Amelioration, Favor of the Repentant are all on my main spell bar at 50... I even have Minor Healing on a secondary bar for filling in HO's when I don't need to use any other "chalice" spells :smileytongue: Duoing with a guardian guildmate I have used Minor Healing on more than one occaision when virtually OOP.. as it was -just- enough to keep him up and beating on the mob by spam casting it as the power needs came available.. __________________

06-03-2005, 04:38 AM	#12
AndorDehay Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 16	Keeg wrote: Celiondra wrote: AndorDehay wrote:Hi all,I am currently a froglok cleric with the goal of becoming a inquisitor. I currently have two silver clusters to upgrade my Tier2 spells, and one rough jasper.From all of the posts i have read here the best plan for maximum inquisitor healing effectiveness is to:take Vesagar's Bulwark of Faith at lvl 20make adept III Soothing sermonmake adept III archhealingthen at lvl 26 make adept III Favor of the Repentantthis sounds like a good plan for spell upgrades? Please let me know if you see something wrong here. . .Quicktongue of Butcherblock Maybe I'm missing it but why would you want Soothing Sermon adept III? Because Soothing Sermon stacks with BoV/VBoF, in the sense that they will both fire when your tank is hit, giving you two reactive procs on each hit till one of them is spent. This is a much more mana-efficient way to keep your tank up when BoV doesn't cut it, than relying on direct heals. It's a bit more cumbersome, considering the 5sec cast on SS, but you'll find you use much less mana this way. Vs caster mobs is the only time I use direct heals really. (Anyone but me hate Nil Distortion?) As for your choices Andor, they look nice, as long as you remember that lvl12-20 will be harder without BoV adept III. I'd suggest Daring before Arch Healing though, since with SS adept III and VBoF you'll use Arch Healing very rarely, while Daring will always be there. I used my Daring adept III to lvl36-37 i believe, till Dauntless Adept I finally caught up... It depends on your playstyle though. And yeah, old heals will almost always be useful. BoV, SS, Arch Healing, Prayer of Amelioration, Favor of the Repentant are all on my main spell bar at 50... I even have Minor Healing on a secondary bar for filling in HO's when I don't need to use any other "chalice" spells :smileytongue: Thanks guys, your input has been invaluable. One quick question I had was about Soothing Sermon, does this spell have a 30sec duration like BoV? I know the first shamen group ward only had a duration of 10secs, and the 2nd had a 30 sec duration. I found that the 30 sec duration on the second spell made a huge impact on the useabililty of the spell. Also regarding BoV not being at adept III, I looted an adept I BoV last nite in antonica. I actually got 4 lvl 10-17 adept I spells last night while soloing heroic crabs on the south beach in antonica. If any of you are missing Tier2 adept I that you wanna try and get, i recommend rolling an alt (or mentoring) and soloing these heroic crabs in the south beach area, awesome XP from 10-13 and lots of chest drops . . . Thanks for the help, Quicktongue

06-04-2005, 12:18 AM	#13
Trucido_De Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 15	I'm still using Shizara's Castigation. It's the only divine resist debuff you'll get (in the initial release), and with the reactive heal issue, this one helps reduce the number of heals lost to damage shield resists. It's also the biggest mitigation debuff you'll see before the expansion (-800). Can't see myself still using any of the others. Message Edited by Trucido_Deus on 06-03-2005 01:20 PM

06-05-2005, 10:29 PM	#14
Ke Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 105	Trucido_Deus wrote: I'm still using Shizara's Castigation. It's the only divine resist debuff you'll get (in the initial release), and with the reactive heal issue, this one helps reduce the number of heals lost to damage shield resists. It's also the biggest mitigation debuff you'll see before the expansion (-800). Can't see myself still using any of the others. Message Edited by Trucido_Deus on 06-03-2005 01:20 PM It's not the only divine mitigation debuff we get. Harrowing Inquest, our power drain at lvl45, also debuffs the target for 1005 divine mitigation at adept III (as well as 1005 mental and magic). Can't recall, but guessing 800-900 at adept I. Good point about the bugged reactives though, hadn't thought of that. Message Edited by Keeg on 06-05-2005 08:52 PM __________________ Keeg 50 Inquisitor of Oggok

06-07-2005, 11:32 AM	#15
Trucido_De Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 15	You know, for some reason I had it in my head that Harrowing Inquest did Heat, Cold and Mental. Heh, glad you pointed that out. Go my ability to read!