Blood Pact

Cly · 12-10-2006, 08:07 PM

I was thinking about taking the blood pact AA for keeping my pet up during raids. But there is the cost of 62 mana per second - does this mean I am going out of mana within a minute or two for just keeping up the aoe-immune? Did anyone test this ability?

Does the aoe-immune also effect the swarm pets?

Message Edited by Clywd on 12-10-2006 07:08 AM

Omgidomms · 12-10-2006, 08:58 PM

It only goes for your main pet.
And the pact line seems like a line for those that want to be support, not front-line dps.

You are "waisting" alot of aa points in that line just to get the spell, and it does't seem that uber either :

I think most necro's are going full out in both Rotting and the Gravecalling AA-line, atleast that's where i'm heading..
But i'm only spec'd for dps, not sure what kind of necro you wanna be SMILEY

Cly · 12-10-2006, 11:21 PM

Well, I want my raid to be as successfull as possible. So I was thinking to take the ooze pet and keep it up for a full fight for debuffing the raid boss, or taking the scout pet and dealing as much damage as possible.

My first view was also to take "obviously" lifeburn, but well, I'm not so sure about it now. While it is awesome for playing in groups or in easy raid zones like labs or deathtoll, it would be not so smart to use it on tougher mobs. And the tough mobs are my goal.

Sic Boy · 12-11-2006, 01:57 AM

Clywd wrote:

Well, I want my raid to be as successfull as possible. So I was thinking to take the ooze pet and keep it up for a full fight for debuffing the raid boss, or taking the scout pet and dealing as much damage as possible.

My first view was also to take "obviously" lifeburn, but well, I'm not so sure about it now. While it is awesome for playing in groups or in easy raid zones like labs or deathtoll, it would be not so smart to use it on tougher mobs. And the tough mobs are my goal.

Actually I have no problem using Lifeburn on tougher mobs, use it on Chel'Drak and Matron every time, and it's incredibly useful on a lot of the EoF raid bosses. You simply have to be more careful how and when you are using it on a mob like that. Obviously if he's got a huge AoE you time it right, or if he mind wipes you don't cast it right after the wipe. Lifeburn is an incredibly powerful spell, just needs some planning to not screw you and your raid over.

Psyr · 12-11-2006, 05:36 PM

I respecc'd and tried both the AoE prevention and the Ooze pet... imho the AoE prevention is a huge waste as it does kill a bunch of mana in one fight (if you maintain it), I think it worked out to 5200ish total mana for a 60sec fight. The ooze pet I havent found useful either, yeah it debuffs but it wasn't very noticable. Tried it on DT named's and Chel'drak. I figure if my DPS is gonna suffer 1k+ then the debuffs from this ooze pet should make the other peoples DPS in my raid increase noticably but parse files don't show that. My overall decision is gonna be lifeburn with a mix of lil odds and ends.

Menthus · 12-12-2006, 02:12 AM

The ooze pet doesn't debuff the enemies' defense. It debuffs their offense.

quamdar · 12-13-2006, 05:09 AM

would be nice if they atleast made it hit every 6 seconds instead of every second. every second is too much imo.

Truffor · 12-13-2006, 12:30 PM

Well, I suppose it's to be used when AoE are predictable and timed. You just have to use pact few secs and cancel it as soon as AoE occured.It depends of your guild and encounters.I'll go where tide is SMILEY

Triste-Lune · 12-14-2006, 07:09 PM

I think i ll got for the grave calling line because i really like the shadow beast look, i ll have all the possible pet that way.The pact line is extemely tempting. I think if you are the only necro in your guild you should go for the pact line to maintain a permanent DPS and not bother with AOE, if there are 2 necros in the guild discuss on who takes wich line. Because no matter i really think the Ooze debuff is really a nice help to a raid.

Cly · 12-14-2006, 10:49 PM

At the moment I am the only necro in my guild, yes. I'm also afraid of the big mana costs. If it stays like this the ability is quite useless - one minute is much too short, especially as the recast of the ooze pet is only 5 seconds.

So I skip it for the moment and start thinking again, where to spent the next points.

quamdar · 12-15-2006, 09:42 AM

Truffor wrote:Well, I suppose it's to be used when AoE are predictable and timed. You just have to use pact few secs and cancel it as soon as AoE occured.It depends of your guild and encounters.I'll go where tide is

yeah i think that probably is what they want us to use it for but in that case i will just tell my pet to back off every once in a while and save the AA since i already do that anyway. guess there really isn't a lot of other stuff to spend the AA on though.

Message Edited by quamdar on 12-14-2006 11:43 PM

Triste-Lune · 12-15-2006, 01:45 PM

i dont have the blood pact line i have maxed rotting and working on the gravecalling line cause i want to have a fourth pet (might respect very soon if i find out it s not that good and doesnt suit my playstile). To my mind Blood pact is just a skill you toggle on and off every time the MT calls out "AOE inc in 10" you just click the skill, and once he calls "AOE just hitted" you toggle it off. I dont know if there is a recast timer and if there is one what it is.

quamdar · 12-16-2006, 03:56 AM

Triste-Lune wrote:i dont have the blood pact line i have maxed rotting and working on the gravecalling line cause i want to have a fourth pet (might respect very soon if i find out it s not that good and doesnt suit my playstile). To my mind Blood pact is just a skill you toggle on and off every time the MT calls out "AOE inc in 10" you just click the skill, and once he calls "AOE just hitted" you toggle it off. I dont know if there is a recast timer and if there is one what it is.

right click and inspect in game and you can see all the spell info. 1 second cast, 10 second recast.

Colossaltitan · 12-17-2006, 12:13 AM

I personally think Blood Pact is a better option for the raiding Necromancer.

Your only other option really, is the Gravecalling line, which doesn't add much at all to your DPS.

Instead you can get your Heart recast down to 20seconds, have a better heal and rez, for when its needed, not to mention an AoE Immune pet for the fights that just hit it a little too hard.

quamdar · 12-17-2006, 04:01 AM

yeah, there is definitely not much else to spend the AA on.

12-11-2006, 01:57 AM	#4
Sic Boy Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 19	Clywd wrote: Well, I want my raid to be as successfull as possible. So I was thinking to take the ooze pet and keep it up for a full fight for debuffing the raid boss, or taking the scout pet and dealing as much damage as possible. My first view was also to take "obviously" lifeburn, but well, I'm not so sure about it now. While it is awesome for playing in groups or in easy raid zones like labs or deathtoll, it would be not so smart to use it on tougher mobs. And the tough mobs are my goal. Actually I have no problem using Lifeburn on tougher mobs, use it on Chel'Drak and Matron every time, and it's incredibly useful on a lot of the EoF raid bosses. You simply have to be more careful how and when you are using it on a mob like that. Obviously if he's got a huge AoE you time it right, or if he mind wipes you don't cast it right after the wipe. Lifeburn is an incredibly powerful spell, just needs some planning to not screw you and your raid over.

12-11-2006, 05:36 PM	#5
Psyr Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 12	I respecc'd and tried both the AoE prevention and the Ooze pet... imho the AoE prevention is a huge waste as it does kill a bunch of mana in one fight (if you maintain it), I think it worked out to 5200ish total mana for a 60sec fight. The ooze pet I havent found useful either, yeah it debuffs but it wasn't very noticable. Tried it on DT named's and Chel'drak. I figure if my DPS is gonna suffer 1k+ then the debuffs from this ooze pet should make the other peoples DPS in my raid increase noticably but parse files don't show that. My overall decision is gonna be lifeburn with a mix of lil odds and ends. __________________ -=Mythandril=- 70 Necro on Guk

12-13-2006, 05:09 AM	#7
quamdar Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 610	would be nice if they atleast made it hit every 6 seconds instead of every second. every second is too much imo. __________________ quamdar crushbone server

12-14-2006, 07:09 PM	#9
Triste-Lune Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 482	I think i ll got for the grave calling line because i really like the shadow beast look, i ll have all the possible pet that way.The pact line is extemely tempting. I think if you are the only necro in your guild you should go for the pact line to maintain a permanent DPS and not bother with AOE, if there are 2 necros in the guild discuss on who takes wich line. Because no matter i really think the Ooze debuff is really a nice help to a raid. __________________ outside of a dog reading is man's best friend. Inside it s too dark to read...

12-15-2006, 09:42 AM	#11
quamdar Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 610	Truffor wrote:Well, I suppose it's to be used when AoE are predictable and timed. You just have to use pact few secs and cancel it as soon as AoE occured.It depends of your guild and encounters.I'll go where tide is yeah i think that probably is what they want us to use it for but in that case i will just tell my pet to back off every once in a while and save the AA since i already do that anyway. guess there really isn't a lot of other stuff to spend the AA on though. Message Edited by quamdar on 12-14-2006 11:43 PM __________________ quamdar crushbone server

12-10-2006, 08:07 PM	#1
Cly General Join Date: May 2005 Location: Innovation Posts: 45	I was thinking about taking the blood pact AA for keeping my pet up during raids. But there is the cost of 62 mana per second - does this mean I am going out of mana within a minute or two for just keeping up the aoe-immune? Did anyone test this ability? Does the aoe-immune also effect the swarm pets? Message Edited by Clywd on 12-10-2006 07:08 AM

12-10-2006, 08:58 PM	#2
Omgidomms Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 132	It only goes for your main pet. And the pact line seems like a line for those that want to be support, not front-line dps. You are "waisting" alot of aa points in that line just to get the spell, and it does't seem that uber either : I think most necro's are going full out in both Rotting and the Gravecalling AA-line, atleast that's where i'm heading.. But i'm only spec'd for dps, not sure what kind of necro you wanna be

12-10-2006, 11:21 PM	#3
Cly General Join Date: May 2005 Location: Innovation Posts: 45	Well, I want my raid to be as successfull as possible. So I was thinking to take the ooze pet and keep it up for a full fight for debuffing the raid boss, or taking the scout pet and dealing as much damage as possible. My first view was also to take "obviously" lifeburn, but well, I'm not so sure about it now. While it is awesome for playing in groups or in easy raid zones like labs or deathtoll, it would be not so smart to use it on tougher mobs. And the tough mobs are my goal.

12-12-2006, 02:12 AM	#6
Menthus Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 32	The ooze pet doesn't debuff the enemies' defense. It debuffs their offense.

12-13-2006, 12:30 PM	#8
Truffor Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 115	Well, I suppose it's to be used when AoE are predictable and timed. You just have to use pact few secs and cancel it as soon as AoE occured.It depends of your guild and encounters.I'll go where tide is

12-14-2006, 10:49 PM	#10
Cly General Join Date: May 2005 Location: Innovation Posts: 45	At the moment I am the only necro in my guild, yes. I'm also afraid of the big mana costs. If it stays like this the ability is quite useless - one minute is much too short, especially as the recast of the ooze pet is only 5 seconds. So I skip it for the moment and start thinking again, where to spent the next points.

12-15-2006, 01:45 PM	#12
Triste-Lune Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 482	i dont have the blood pact line i have maxed rotting and working on the gravecalling line cause i want to have a fourth pet (might respect very soon if i find out it s not that good and doesnt suit my playstile). To my mind Blood pact is just a skill you toggle on and off every time the MT calls out "AOE inc in 10" you just click the skill, and once he calls "AOE just hitted" you toggle it off. I dont know if there is a recast timer and if there is one what it is. __________________ outside of a dog reading is man's best friend. Inside it s too dark to read...

12-16-2006, 03:56 AM	#13
quamdar Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 610	Triste-Lune wrote:i dont have the blood pact line i have maxed rotting and working on the gravecalling line cause i want to have a fourth pet (might respect very soon if i find out it s not that good and doesnt suit my playstile). To my mind Blood pact is just a skill you toggle on and off every time the MT calls out "AOE inc in 10" you just click the skill, and once he calls "AOE just hitted" you toggle it off. I dont know if there is a recast timer and if there is one what it is. right click and inspect in game and you can see all the spell info. 1 second cast, 10 second recast. __________________ quamdar crushbone server

12-17-2006, 12:13 AM	#14
Colossaltitan Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 1,792	I personally think Blood Pact is a better option for the raiding Necromancer. Your only other option really, is the Gravecalling line, which doesn't add much at all to your DPS. Instead you can get your Heart recast down to 20seconds, have a better heal and rez, for when its needed, not to mention an AoE Immune pet for the fights that just hit it a little too hard.

12-17-2006, 04:01 AM	#15
quamdar Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 610	yeah, there is definitely not much else to spend the AA on. __________________ quamdar crushbone server