EverQuest II Community Summit -- Voice Your Concerns Here - Page 3

Kuva · 10-03-2005, 11:20 PM

Eirgorn wrote:
Either way your post was tactless and less than helpful in anyway to the thread.

Yup, guilty as charged. Apologies. I plead the Monday morning effect :smileymad:

KBern · 10-04-2005, 12:17 AM

I greatly appreciate you putting your time in to this man.

Makes me happy some good info has gone directly to the devs.:smileyvery-happy:

Xalmat · 10-04-2005, 01:00 AM

Here's the class specific notes.Roots and Snares are a little bit overpowered. Don't be surprised if they get toned down in effectiveness. I can safely say that snare kiting is getting nerfed, so enjoy it while you can because it won't be in the game for much longer.There was a question about the benefits to upgrading roots and stuns. Basically, upgrading roots and stuns decreases the resist rate of those spells (IE: An Adept I Stun or Root is more likely to land than an Apprentice IV, and much more likely to land than Apprentice I). This applies to all classes across the game.Necromancer Revivication *should* improve the amount of HP and Power healed when cast per rank. If it is not, /bug it.The 1-damage rule change for pets is not working how they want. Simply put, they put it in to stop AFK campers, and to that end it hasn't worked at all (because they changed their strategies, such as casting a low level nuke and/or casting a low level AoE nuke). They also acknowledge that it has harmed legitimate players.Lockeye was unaware that pets aren't properly scaling (he was on vacation just prior to the Summit). He will be looking into pets to make sure they are properly scaling. As to the benefits of scaling, higher ranks do more damage than lower ranks.We all know that, when any one swarm pet dies, the entire spell breaks. Lockeye actually wanted to fix it just prior to DoF release, but he ran out of time. It is definitely on his list of things to work on, though.Pet heals are not going to get better than they are, nor are pets going to get mitigation. Simply put, it would make Summoners too powerful (We would be able to take out white-con ^^^ heroics through straight up pet tanking). Scout and Mage pets aren't receiving HP boosts for the same reason.However, Lockeye does want to make Mage pets a bit less suicidal, as far as charging-next-to-mobs-to-cast-spells goes. I basically interpreted that as the pets will want to attack at range whenever possible and not want to beeline towards the mob, but if a mob beelines towards the pet the pet will not try to back off.Conjuror Brand buffs are meant to be a defense type spell, while the Necro equivalents are meant to be an offense type spell. The same thing goes with Sorcerers and Enchanters.HP-to-power conversion spells are where the dev team wants them to be. Don't expect them to get better.The reason Necromancer stuns don't have a damage component is because they last significantly longer than Conjuror and Sorcerer stuns. Though I was under the impression they last the same amount of time. Besides that, he also says Necromancer stuns don't do damage because it helps to separate the classes a little bit, to make them a bit less cookie cutter.Lockeye has no idea why Necromancers have their new DoT/snare line. It wasn't something he did.Robe of the Invoker is definitely being nerfed as far as what classes can wear it. My guess? It will become Mage only in the very near future.Pets and their taunts are about where the dev team wants them to be. Fighter pets are meant to be tanks for only soloers, duos, and trios, and are not meant to replace player tanks in any capacity. As Lockeye put it, using a Fighter as a tank is about the same as making a Scout a tank, both in terms of aggro generation and actual tanking ability.Shrink spells will not happen, simply because it will cause too many problems.Levitation is not happening.Will there be more Entertainment spells for 50+? Possibly, but adding new Entertainment spells is a low priority. Don't hold your breath anytime soon.Pet graphics are a legacy issue from the original EQ2 team and original EQ2 concepts. Much like the Entertainment spells, adding some new pet graphics (especially for Necromancer Zombie pets) is a low priority at this time.

El Chupacabr · 10-04-2005, 01:05 AM

Our stun certainly is not longer than the other mages equivelents... hopefully he'll double check that statement. Still curious about the deficiency in single target concentration buffs vs. all other mages.

Xalmat · 10-04-2005, 01:08 AM

I wish I had time to bring it up, Chup SMILEY

El Chupacabr · 10-04-2005, 01:33 AM

No worries, I'm just glad some summoner went SMILEY

. Edit: And I don't want to push my luck... necro's are right about where they should be (though it's tough to hear that amid the screams of "NERF!") and I'd rather be a bit cautious in my suggestions for "adjustment".

Message Edited by El Chupacabras on 10-03-2005 05:42 PM

Kuva · 10-04-2005, 03:12 AM

Xalmat wrote:Here's the class specific notes....

Thank you! Really appreciate the time and work you did. I take it you didn't have a chance to mention the "summon corpse" ability that was originally in the description of our rez spell in beta, but was removed from the description before live (and presumably not implemented).

Urbanna · 10-04-2005, 09:38 AM

Xalmat wrote:
Here's the class specific notes.

Thanks =)

Scary about the snares....our snares are just barely effective...no chance of kiting =/ Our rez is exactly the same at master 1 as it is at app1. Our stuns are pitiful to say the least. Oh well...I guess that just means we have to educate the devs some more on the classes they created but don't play lol

Ernyssyen · 10-04-2005, 03:06 PM

i cant find any note about the pet models SMILEY

zombie zombie zombie zombie .... is this realy the way they see the necro ?

if i ever find a master spell ill pay ever price just to dont did couse of boredom

MrGrimm9 · 10-04-2005, 04:53 PM

Snare kiting does not even apply to necros because we can't. The snare breaks instantly after a couple of hits. Lockeye said that our stuns are for longer than other mage classes that is why they don't do damage? Conj and necro stuns are exactly the same. 3 second cast time, 7 second duration. Theirs does damage and ours does not. In beta it was a 2 second cast time and a 8 second stun. I think someone changed the conj and necro stun at the same time and forgot to leave the necro one alone because ours does nothing else. I just wish either our stun had a 2 second cast time, or a 8 second duration. Also have they commented on our AE damage as well as our lifetapping ability, overall dps and lich form? I heard that some really bad nerfs were coming...

Message Edited by MrGrimm999 on 10-06-2005 05:42 AM

MrGrimm9 · 10-04-2005, 05:03 PM

Also any chance of us getting a stifle? I think every mage class in the game has a stifle or interupt but us.

Xalmat · 10-04-2005, 10:35 PM

Why are you asking me all these questions? The summit is over, I have no method of conveying these questions except by the same feedback method you guys have.

MrGrimm9 · 10-04-2005, 10:42 PM

No, I think you misunderstood me, I was wondering if you had any news or if you talked/heard at all about any of the things I mentioned.

Xalmat · 10-04-2005, 10:53 PM

If I didn't post it already, then I have no news.

Romka · 10-05-2005, 08:23 AM

Xalmat wrote:...... Lockeye has no idea why Necromancers have their new DoT/snare line. ......

O.M.G. O.M.F.G. Ima put this quote into my signature. SOE Dev, spells designer says "I have no idea where you got that spell from". Right. It was my grandmom that designed and put this spell line in game. Ridiculous. It's a Sony. (c)

KBern · 10-05-2005, 05:58 PM

I just hope they leave the root alone if no damage is done to the rooted mob.

I love using the new root as CC for adds. Fear, root....and go back to fighting target.

If they make it break a bit easier when damage is done, I am fine with that. I just hope they let it work the same when no damage is being done.

Urbanna · 10-05-2005, 06:11 PM

KBern wrote:
I just hope they leave the root alone if no damage is done to the rooted mob.

I love using the new root as CC for adds. Fear, root....and go back to fighting target.

If they make it break a bit easier when damage is done, I am fine with that. I just hope they let it work the same when no damage is being done.

I forsee a doubled/trippled recast timer AND easier break...but then again...I'm optimistic.........

El Chupacabr · 10-05-2005, 06:23 PM

Well, they should nerf us since necros are so uber we're tanking for groups instead of guardians and /afk killing group heroics!

/sarcasm

I've been weeping crocodile tears for the last couple weeks... if the roots take a hit (I expect a duration shortening with a recast increase) it's not gonna be all that big a deal, the roots are handy but nothing that would hurt any more than a slight alteration in playstyle.

KBern · 10-05-2005, 06:28 PM

El Chupacabras wrote:

Well, they should nerf us since necros are so uber we're tanking for groups instead of guardians and /afk killing group heroics!

/sarcasm

I've been weeping crocodile tears for the last couple weeks... if the roots take a hit (I expect a duration shortening with a recast increase) it's not gonna be all that big a deal, the roots are handy but nothing that would hurt any more than a slight alteration in playstyle.

Yeah what am I doing here when I can be solo groups of orange heroics and only using 10% power and never taking a hit WHILE doing my nails.

/nod

But I agree, root wont break or make my playstyle but the improved version is nice to have a root I can trust for CC purposes.

I never use root while killing a mob, just to hold it off until I am ready to kill it.

Eirgo · 10-05-2005, 06:37 PM

Edit - deleted post due to lack of relevency.

I had just quoted some guy that is posting the same BS all over the combat and encounters forums. He was getting to me, but there was no need for me to bring his mindless drivel here.

Sorry guys : )

Message Edited by Eirgorn on 10-05-2005 08:03 AM

El Chupacabr · 10-05-2005, 07:41 PM

Don't feel bad, the "let the mages pet tank" posts are really getting to me too. For some reason alot of tanks are thinking if a group wants the mage to tank it must be because the tank pets are overpowered as opposed to the proper tank either not being upgraded enough or just not being very good at their class (yep, I said it).

Traigus · 10-05-2005, 07:52 PM

My pet does tank over live tanks in groups sometimes.. especially if the guildie in question is 3-4 levels lower then I am (and my pet). In many ways, level is king. Putting the player in DPS moda and pet tanking does work well in that situation. With an equal or higher level tank, I always go with the live guy (as opposed to the dead guy). -T

El Chupacabr · 10-05-2005, 08:14 PM

Three or four levels lower and I might consider using a pet to tank, too, due to taunt resist issues alone. Guess I should have said an even level tank +/-2.

Xalmat · 10-05-2005, 08:29 PM

El Chupacabras wrote:Don't feel bad, the "let the mages pet tank" posts are really getting to me too. For some reason alot of tanks are thinking if a group wants the mage to tank it must be because the tank pets are overpowered as opposed to the proper tank either not being upgraded enough or just not being very good at their class (yep, I said it).

I guess I should remind folk that the devs do not want our pets tanking for a full group, and would rather have player tanks doing that instead.

El Chupacabr · 10-05-2005, 08:36 PM

Xalmat wrote:

El Chupacabras wrote:
Don't feel bad, the "let the mages pet tank" posts are really getting to me too. For some reason alot of tanks are thinking if a group wants the mage to tank it must be because the tank pets are overpowered as opposed to the proper tank either not being upgraded enough or just not being very good at their class (yep, I said it).

I guess I should remind folk that the devs do not want our pets tanking for a full group, and would rather have player tanks doing that instead.

So would I. If the tank cannot hold agro then someone's gonna have to do the job, whether it be a summoner or a scout (yes, I've been in groups where the tank could not hold agro from most anyone in the group, come to find out their taunts are all in the app ranges). When that happens, sometimes a summoner has to step up... I refuse to do it in full groups since I shouldn't have to band-aid for the group due to a flatleaver but you better believe I'll do it in a group of four with no tank proper present.

KBern · 10-05-2005, 08:40 PM

Our pets are by no means a replacement for a real tank.

Healers will be the first ones to tell us this too lol. The lack of mitigation makes for a bad group tank if fighting difficult mobs, though they can stand in at times.

I mean they are "tank" pets for a reason.

But personally give me a RL tank who knows what he is doing in a group, and let me play DPS as I should and that makes my day.

What people fail to realize is when they see our pets in a group tanking well, that is night and day from us being solo due to our pets can take advantage of all the group buffs being laid on them by other classes that we cannot provide when soloing.

10-03-2005, 11:20 PM	#61
Kuva Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 75	Eirgorn wrote: Either way your post was tactless and less than helpful in anyway to the thread. Yup, guilty as charged. Apologies. I plead the Monday morning effect :smileymad:

10-04-2005, 12:17 AM	#62
KBern Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,372	I greatly appreciate you putting your time in to this man. Makes me happy some good info has gone directly to the devs.:smileyvery-happy: __________________

10-04-2005, 01:00 AM	#63
Xalmat EQ2Achieve.com Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 5,895	Here's the class specific notes.Roots and Snares are a little bit overpowered. Don't be surprised if they get toned down in effectiveness. I can safely say that snare kiting is getting nerfed, so enjoy it while you can because it won't be in the game for much longer.There was a question about the benefits to upgrading roots and stuns. Basically, upgrading roots and stuns decreases the resist rate of those spells (IE: An Adept I Stun or Root is more likely to land than an Apprentice IV, and much more likely to land than Apprentice I). This applies to all classes across the game.Necromancer Revivication should improve the amount of HP and Power healed when cast per rank. If it is not, /bug it.The 1-damage rule change for pets is not working how they want. Simply put, they put it in to stop AFK campers, and to that end it hasn't worked at all (because they changed their strategies, such as casting a low level nuke and/or casting a low level AoE nuke). They also acknowledge that it has harmed legitimate players.Lockeye was unaware that pets aren't properly scaling (he was on vacation just prior to the Summit). He will be looking into pets to make sure they are properly scaling. As to the benefits of scaling, higher ranks do more damage than lower ranks.We all know that, when any one swarm pet dies, the entire spell breaks. Lockeye actually wanted to fix it just prior to DoF release, but he ran out of time. It is definitely on his list of things to work on, though.Pet heals are not going to get better than they are, nor are pets going to get mitigation. Simply put, it would make Summoners too powerful (We would be able to take out white-con ^^^ heroics through straight up pet tanking). Scout and Mage pets aren't receiving HP boosts for the same reason.However, Lockeye does want to make Mage pets a bit less suicidal, as far as charging-next-to-mobs-to-cast-spells goes. I basically interpreted that as the pets will want to attack at range whenever possible and not want to beeline towards the mob, but if a mob beelines towards the pet the pet will not try to back off.Conjuror Brand buffs are meant to be a defense type spell, while the Necro equivalents are meant to be an offense type spell. The same thing goes with Sorcerers and Enchanters.HP-to-power conversion spells are where the dev team wants them to be. Don't expect them to get better.The reason Necromancer stuns don't have a damage component is because they last significantly longer than Conjuror and Sorcerer stuns. Though I was under the impression they last the same amount of time. Besides that, he also says Necromancer stuns don't do damage because it helps to separate the classes a little bit, to make them a bit less cookie cutter.Lockeye has no idea why Necromancers have their new DoT/snare line. It wasn't something he did.Robe of the Invoker is definitely being nerfed as far as what classes can wear it. My guess? It will become Mage only in the very near future.Pets and their taunts are about where the dev team wants them to be. Fighter pets are meant to be tanks for only soloers, duos, and trios, and are not meant to replace player tanks in any capacity. As Lockeye put it, using a Fighter as a tank is about the same as making a Scout a tank, both in terms of aggro generation and actual tanking ability.Shrink spells will not happen, simply because it will cause too many problems.Levitation is not happening.Will there be more Entertainment spells for 50+? Possibly, but adding new Entertainment spells is a low priority. Don't hold your breath anytime soon.Pet graphics are a legacy issue from the original EQ2 team and original EQ2 concepts. Much like the Entertainment spells, adding some new pet graphics (especially for Necromancer Zombie pets) is a low priority at this time. __________________ EQ2Achieve - Your guide to all EverQuest II Achievements

10-04-2005, 01:05 AM	#64
El Chupacabr Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 850	Our stun certainly is not longer than the other mages equivelents... hopefully he'll double check that statement. Still curious about the deficiency in single target concentration buffs vs. all other mages. __________________ Want to learn about Necromancers? Check out The Necromancer FAQ

10-04-2005, 01:08 AM	#65
Xalmat EQ2Achieve.com Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 5,895	I wish I had time to bring it up, Chup __________________ EQ2Achieve - Your guide to all EverQuest II Achievements

10-04-2005, 01:33 AM	#66
El Chupacabr Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 850	No worries, I'm just glad some summoner went . Edit: And I don't want to push my luck... necro's are right about where they should be (though it's tough to hear that amid the screams of "NERF!") and I'd rather be a bit cautious in my suggestions for "adjustment". Message Edited by El Chupacabras on 10-03-2005 05:42 PM __________________ Want to learn about Necromancers? Check out The Necromancer FAQ

10-04-2005, 03:12 AM	#67
Kuva Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 75	Xalmat wrote:Here's the class specific notes.... Thank you! Really appreciate the time and work you did. I take it you didn't have a chance to mention the "summon corpse" ability that was originally in the description of our rez spell in beta, but was removed from the description before live (and presumably not implemented).

10-04-2005, 09:38 AM	#68
Urbanna General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 326	Xalmat wrote: Here's the class specific notes. Thanks =) Scary about the snares....our snares are just barely effective...no chance of kiting =/ Our rez is exactly the same at master 1 as it is at app1. Our stuns are pitiful to say the least. Oh well...I guess that just means we have to educate the devs some more on the classes they created but don't play lol __________________

10-04-2005, 03:06 PM	#69
Ernyssyen Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 223	i cant find any note about the pet models zombie zombie zombie zombie .... is this realy the way they see the necro ? if i ever find a master spell ill pay ever price just to dont did couse of boredom

10-04-2005, 04:53 PM	#70
MrGrimm9 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 154	Snare kiting does not even apply to necros because we can't. The snare breaks instantly after a couple of hits. Lockeye said that our stuns are for longer than other mage classes that is why they don't do damage? Conj and necro stuns are exactly the same. 3 second cast time, 7 second duration. Theirs does damage and ours does not. In beta it was a 2 second cast time and a 8 second stun. I think someone changed the conj and necro stun at the same time and forgot to leave the necro one alone because ours does nothing else. I just wish either our stun had a 2 second cast time, or a 8 second duration. Also have they commented on our AE damage as well as our lifetapping ability, overall dps and lich form? I heard that some really bad nerfs were coming... Message Edited by MrGrimm999 on 10-06-2005 05:42 AM __________________ Medievh of Mistmoore 60 Necromancer 49 Jeweler Member of Static

10-04-2005, 05:03 PM	#71
MrGrimm9 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 154	Also any chance of us getting a stifle? I think every mage class in the game has a stifle or interupt but us. __________________ Medievh of Mistmoore 60 Necromancer 49 Jeweler Member of Static

10-04-2005, 10:35 PM	#72
Xalmat EQ2Achieve.com Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 5,895	Why are you asking me all these questions? The summit is over, I have no method of conveying these questions except by the same feedback method you guys have. __________________ EQ2Achieve - Your guide to all EverQuest II Achievements

10-04-2005, 10:42 PM	#73
MrGrimm9 Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 154	No, I think you misunderstood me, I was wondering if you had any news or if you talked/heard at all about any of the things I mentioned. __________________ Medievh of Mistmoore 60 Necromancer 49 Jeweler Member of Static

10-04-2005, 10:53 PM	#74
Xalmat EQ2Achieve.com Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 5,895	If I didn't post it already, then I have no news. __________________ EQ2Achieve - Your guide to all EverQuest II Achievements

10-05-2005, 08:23 AM	#75
Romka Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 169	Xalmat wrote:...... Lockeye has no idea why Necromancers have their new DoT/snare line. ...... O.M.G. O.M.F.G. Ima put this quote into my signature. SOE Dev, spells designer says "I have no idea where you got that spell from". Right. It was my grandmom that designed and put this spell line in game. Ridiculous. It's a Sony. (c) __________________

10-05-2005, 05:58 PM	#76
KBern Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,372	I just hope they leave the root alone if no damage is done to the rooted mob. I love using the new root as CC for adds. Fear, root....and go back to fighting target. If they make it break a bit easier when damage is done, I am fine with that. I just hope they let it work the same when no damage is being done. __________________

10-05-2005, 06:11 PM	#77
Urbanna General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 326	KBern wrote: I just hope they leave the root alone if no damage is done to the rooted mob. I love using the new root as CC for adds. Fear, root....and go back to fighting target. If they make it break a bit easier when damage is done, I am fine with that. I just hope they let it work the same when no damage is being done. I forsee a doubled/trippled recast timer AND easier break...but then again...I'm optimistic......... __________________

10-05-2005, 06:23 PM	#78
El Chupacabr Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 850	Well, they should nerf us since necros are so uber we're tanking for groups instead of guardians and /afk killing group heroics! /sarcasm I've been weeping crocodile tears for the last couple weeks... if the roots take a hit (I expect a duration shortening with a recast increase) it's not gonna be all that big a deal, the roots are handy but nothing that would hurt any more than a slight alteration in playstyle. __________________ Want to learn about Necromancers? Check out The Necromancer FAQ

10-05-2005, 06:28 PM	#79
KBern Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,372	El Chupacabras wrote: Well, they should nerf us since necros are so uber we're tanking for groups instead of guardians and /afk killing group heroics! /sarcasm I've been weeping crocodile tears for the last couple weeks... if the roots take a hit (I expect a duration shortening with a recast increase) it's not gonna be all that big a deal, the roots are handy but nothing that would hurt any more than a slight alteration in playstyle. Yeah what am I doing here when I can be solo groups of orange heroics and only using 10% power and never taking a hit WHILE doing my nails. /nod But I agree, root wont break or make my playstyle but the improved version is nice to have a root I can trust for CC purposes. I never use root while killing a mob, just to hold it off until I am ready to kill it. __________________

10-05-2005, 06:37 PM	#80
Eirgo Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 587	Edit - deleted post due to lack of relevency. I had just quoted some guy that is posting the same BS all over the combat and encounters forums. He was getting to me, but there was no need for me to bring his mindless drivel here. Sorry guys : ) Message Edited by Eirgorn on 10-05-2005 08:03 AM __________________ CLASS BUFF/DEBUFF CHARTS

10-05-2005, 07:41 PM	#81
El Chupacabr Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 850	Don't feel bad, the "let the mages pet tank" posts are really getting to me too. For some reason alot of tanks are thinking if a group wants the mage to tank it must be because the tank pets are overpowered as opposed to the proper tank either not being upgraded enough or just not being very good at their class (yep, I said it). __________________ Want to learn about Necromancers? Check out The Necromancer FAQ

10-05-2005, 07:52 PM	#82
Traigus Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 84	My pet does tank over live tanks in groups sometimes.. especially if the guildie in question is 3-4 levels lower then I am (and my pet). In many ways, level is king. Putting the player in DPS moda and pet tanking does work well in that situation. With an equal or higher level tank, I always go with the live guy (as opposed to the dead guy). -T __________________ 80 BRU 80 NEC, 80 SK, 80 DEF, 74 WDN, 67 BRG, assorted 30s.

10-05-2005, 08:14 PM	#83
El Chupacabr Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 850	Three or four levels lower and I might consider using a pet to tank, too, due to taunt resist issues alone. Guess I should have said an even level tank +/-2. __________________ Want to learn about Necromancers? Check out The Necromancer FAQ

10-05-2005, 08:29 PM	#84
Xalmat EQ2Achieve.com Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 5,895	El Chupacabras wrote:Don't feel bad, the "let the mages pet tank" posts are really getting to me too. For some reason alot of tanks are thinking if a group wants the mage to tank it must be because the tank pets are overpowered as opposed to the proper tank either not being upgraded enough or just not being very good at their class (yep, I said it). I guess I should remind folk that the devs do not want our pets tanking for a full group, and would rather have player tanks doing that instead. __________________ EQ2Achieve - Your guide to all EverQuest II Achievements

10-05-2005, 08:36 PM	#85
El Chupacabr Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 850	Xalmat wrote: El Chupacabras wrote: Don't feel bad, the "let the mages pet tank" posts are really getting to me too. For some reason alot of tanks are thinking if a group wants the mage to tank it must be because the tank pets are overpowered as opposed to the proper tank either not being upgraded enough or just not being very good at their class (yep, I said it). I guess I should remind folk that the devs do not want our pets tanking for a full group, and would rather have player tanks doing that instead. So would I. If the tank cannot hold agro then someone's gonna have to do the job, whether it be a summoner or a scout (yes, I've been in groups where the tank could not hold agro from most anyone in the group, come to find out their taunts are all in the app ranges). When that happens, sometimes a summoner has to step up... I refuse to do it in full groups since I shouldn't have to band-aid for the group due to a flatleaver but you better believe I'll do it in a group of four with no tank proper present. __________________ Want to learn about Necromancers? Check out The Necromancer FAQ

10-05-2005, 08:40 PM	#86
KBern Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,372	Our pets are by no means a replacement for a real tank. Healers will be the first ones to tell us this too lol. The lack of mitigation makes for a bad group tank if fighting difficult mobs, though they can stand in at times. I mean they are "tank" pets for a reason. But personally give me a RL tank who knows what he is doing in a group, and let me play DPS as I should and that makes my day. What people fail to realize is when they see our pets in a group tanking well, that is night and day from us being solo due to our pets can take advantage of all the group buffs being laid on them by other classes that we cannot provide when soloing. __________________