tank pet nerf?

DanielAtchison · 12-01-2006, 06:57 PM

did anyone else notice the tank pet has ben nerfed and SoE didnt tell anyone about it?whats everyone else think about this?

Banditman · 12-01-2006, 07:14 PM

Parse? Facts? Data? Just fishing?

JamesRay · 12-01-2006, 08:27 PM

The entire combat mechanic has been changed due to the expanding of caps/skills/etc.

It doesn't take a parse to recognize your tank pet doesn't work the same anymore.

However, if you dump 5 points into enhance: earth pet, it will help recover some of the loss.

Renpatsu · 12-01-2006, 08:43 PM

I rarely use the tank pet, but on the two occasions I used it since EoF, it was working quite fine - soloing and a bit tanking for a group. So I cannot confirm a 'nerf' really. Things work different after the combat changes overall, but I had no troublesome experience so far.

DanielAtchison · 12-02-2006, 01:07 AM

from lvl 35 and being able to kill a 25 named.... to not being able to kill the same named..... not fishing... something has changed since last week

Mystfit · 12-03-2006, 08:59 AM

I can't speak for much except that I, at the same time as the update, got a new tank pet (the rumbler) and he RULES..like totally..could he have rules more before, I dunno, but he seems pretty sweet right now...

Crim001 · 12-03-2006, 10:47 PM

DanielAtchison wrote:from lvl 35 and being able to kill a 25 named.... to not being able to kill the same named..... not fishing... something has changed since last week

Perhaps you don't have all the spells you need to upgrade, upgraded?I haven't noticed anything, I'm still burning down mobs, so I'm happy.

EQ2Playa432 · 12-03-2006, 11:34 PM

Well I just started playing my conjuror again, but I've been sololing blue ^s in Kaladim, and I noticed that my pet tank can't handle mobs as he used to.

AndyI · 12-03-2006, 11:42 PM

Ou tank pet not tanking half as good as before eof and being a raiding conjurer I cant really put too many AA into the tank pet. But whats much worse than the tank pet dieing like [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] (if you buff it, it lasts 30 secs at least), is its agro. It simply doesnt have any. While tanks notice when their taunts get resisted and/or can put on tread and/or proc gear, my pet cant and it sucks tanking now.

DanielAtchison · 12-04-2006, 08:04 PM

all my spells are adept 3

Renpatsu · 12-04-2006, 09:03 PM

AndyIEG wrote:

Ou tank pet not tanking half as good as before eof and being a raiding conjurer I cant really put too many AA into the tank pet.

But whats much worse than the tank pet dieing like [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] (if you buff it, it lasts 30 secs at least), is its agro. It simply doesnt have any. While tanks notice when their taunts get resisted and/or can put on tread and/or proc gear, my pet cant and it sucks tanking now.

I cannot confirm the aggro problem with the tank pet either. Even against yellow cons, mine worked pretty well - raiding AA setup here as well.

I am just guessing if it is perhaps a zone specific issue, like many pre-EoF zones probably still need to be tuned because of the combat revamp. My experiences are from EoF zones exclusively.

DanaDark · 12-07-2006, 01:13 AM

I have the lvl 24 master 1 tank pet...

After EoF came out, I noticed a 10-14% decrease in it's abilities to stay alive and take damage.

Sure, this meant those really close fights were no longer doable, but most of everything I did I could still do, and now have adepted just fine to.

Za · 12-07-2006, 02:41 AM

Not pet specific. All ^^^ and named mobs were boosted after EoF. If you compare your tank to non named mobs you'll find it to be exactly the same as before, but vs named and ^^^ mobs, it will take a beating more often.

DanaDark · 12-07-2006, 02:47 AM

Yeah. And I do not even bother with solo mobs... if it isn't heroic... I aint gonna solo it. Unless it's named ofcoarse!

tass · 12-08-2006, 11:48 AM

The tank pet hasnt been nerfed. I know cause I tested it on beta lol.Actually if anything the pets were all buffed up in the last days of the testing due to survivability issues or somthing. What is being experienced is soe's way of trying to attempt to stop farming sort of. Names, herotics, and ur reg mobs were all beefed up. They can take harder hits and dish out better [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] kickings. So expect 1 hell of a time if ur used to killing off a named 10 levels below u or herotics.

Zarlaan · 12-08-2006, 01:01 PM

The enhance earth pet AA is not working properly. Currently none of the pets are receiving the benefits from the Conjurations line.

Themaginator · 12-10-2006, 12:56 PM

DanielAtchison wrote:did anyone else notice the tank pet has ben nerfed and SoE didnt tell anyone about it?whats everyone else think about this?

no it hasnt... heh and can we please say like The Devs or something i dunno why but it really bothers me when people say SoE its not like the entire Online department of Sony did it lol

RanmaBoyType · 12-11-2006, 09:35 AM

I cannot confirm anything, ever since LU13 the tank pet sucked, so i stopped using it. My wifey FURY tanks better and holds aggro better than the tank pet, so when we duo, she tanks and i pull out the fire pet, which is master, with master offense stance, and she still holds aggro and can take a hit.

conji tank pet = totally worthless.

Inuki1 · 12-12-2006, 01:57 AM

RanmaBoyType wrote:

I cannot confirm anything, ever since LU13 the tank pet sucked, so i stopped using it. My wifey FURY tanks better and holds aggro better than the tank pet, so when we duo, she tanks and i pull out the fire pet, which is master, with master offense stance, and she still holds aggro and can take a hit.

conji tank pet = totally worthless.

Wow. I couldn't disagree more.

Ever since LU13? The tank pet has since become awesome for holding aggro and tanking in general. Buff it up with EV and BP and send it into a group of heroics, and I can AE my heart out and still not steal aggro.

As someone who solo's 80% of the time using the tank pet, it is definately my pet du jour.

RanmaBoyType · 12-12-2006, 07:48 AM

a group of heroics are weaker than any single heroic is. Try sending that same pet against a triple up of the same level as the groups you fight and see how well he holds up

Renpatsu · 12-12-2006, 04:23 PM

My tank pet did hold aggro fine on a 72 named heroic, aggro isn't an issue with Blazing line from my point of view.

Inuki1 · 12-14-2006, 12:15 AM

RanmaBoyType wrote:
a group of heroics are weaker than any single heroic is. Try sending that same pet against a triple up of the same level as the groups you fight and see how well he holds up

Pre-LU29 this was no problem for me either. My main targets while soloing was big game type stuff that was even conning with me. I used to regularly do Scornfeathers when the names were yellow to me. It was tough sometimes, and I had to use every trick in my arsenal to pull it off (Yeddhads, potions, etc), but it was certainly doable. When they got to even conning or blue conning it became even easier.

After LU29, it's become a lot more iffy. I find I can still do ^^^, it just requires some adapting.

Anyway, my point is that you should really give the tank pet a try again. With Adept3 pet and Adept3/Master2 defensive stance, the fella never loses aggro. Especially with Blazing/EV.

12-01-2006, 07:14 PM	#2
Banditman Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7,459	Parse? Facts? Data? Just fishing? __________________

12-01-2006, 08:43 PM	#4
Renpatsu Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 188	I rarely use the tank pet, but on the two occasions I used it since EoF, it was working quite fine - soloing and a bit tanking for a group. So I cannot confirm a 'nerf' really. Things work different after the combat changes overall, but I had no troublesome experience so far. __________________ Ceneen, Warden of Elysium on Lucan D'Lere

12-03-2006, 08:59 AM	#6
Mystfit Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 2,984	I can't speak for much except that I, at the same time as the update, got a new tank pet (the rumbler) and he RULES..like totally..could he have rules more before, I dunno, but he seems pretty sweet right now... __________________

12-03-2006, 10:47 PM	#7
Crim001 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Somewhere in the middle of nowhere in So Cal Posts: 305	DanielAtchison wrote:from lvl 35 and being able to kill a 25 named.... to not being able to kill the same named..... not fishing... something has changed since last week Perhaps you don't have all the spells you need to upgrade, upgraded?I haven't noticed anything, I'm still burning down mobs, so I'm happy. __________________

12-04-2006, 09:03 PM	#11
Renpatsu Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 188	AndyIEG wrote: Ou tank pet not tanking half as good as before eof and being a raiding conjurer I cant really put too many AA into the tank pet. But whats much worse than the tank pet dieing like [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] (if you buff it, it lasts 30 secs at least), is its agro. It simply doesnt have any. While tanks notice when their taunts get resisted and/or can put on tread and/or proc gear, my pet cant and it sucks tanking now. I cannot confirm the aggro problem with the tank pet either. Even against yellow cons, mine worked pretty well - raiding AA setup here as well. I am just guessing if it is perhaps a zone specific issue, like many pre-EoF zones probably still need to be tuned because of the combat revamp. My experiences are from EoF zones exclusively. __________________ Ceneen, Warden of Elysium on Lucan D'Lere

12-01-2006, 06:57 PM	#1
DanielAtchison Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: VA Posts: 119	did anyone else notice the tank pet has ben nerfed and SoE didnt tell anyone about it?whats everyone else think about this?

12-01-2006, 08:27 PM	#3
JamesRay Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 324	The entire combat mechanic has been changed due to the expanding of caps/skills/etc. It doesn't take a parse to recognize your tank pet doesn't work the same anymore. However, if you dump 5 points into enhance: earth pet, it will help recover some of the loss.

12-02-2006, 01:07 AM	#5
DanielAtchison Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: VA Posts: 119	from lvl 35 and being able to kill a 25 named.... to not being able to kill the same named..... not fishing... something has changed since last week

12-03-2006, 11:34 PM	#8
EQ2Playa432 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 966	Well I just started playing my conjuror again, but I've been sololing blue ^s in Kaladim, and I noticed that my pet tank can't handle mobs as he used to.

12-03-2006, 11:42 PM	#9
AndyI Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7	Ou tank pet not tanking half as good as before eof and being a raiding conjurer I cant really put too many AA into the tank pet. But whats much worse than the tank pet dieing like [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] (if you buff it, it lasts 30 secs at least), is its agro. It simply doesnt have any. While tanks notice when their taunts get resisted and/or can put on tread and/or proc gear, my pet cant and it sucks tanking now.

12-04-2006, 08:04 PM	#10
DanielAtchison Loremaster Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: VA Posts: 119	all my spells are adept 3

12-07-2006, 01:13 AM	#12
DanaDark Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Location: San Jose, Ca Posts: 195	I have the lvl 24 master 1 tank pet... After EoF came out, I noticed a 10-14% decrease in it's abilities to stay alive and take damage. Sure, this meant those really close fights were no longer doable, but most of everything I did I could still do, and now have adepted just fine to.

12-07-2006, 02:41 AM	#13
Za General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,084	Not pet specific. All ^^^ and named mobs were boosted after EoF. If you compare your tank to non named mobs you'll find it to be exactly the same as before, but vs named and ^^^ mobs, it will take a beating more often.

12-07-2006, 02:47 AM	#14
DanaDark Loremaster Join Date: May 2005 Location: San Jose, Ca Posts: 195	Yeah. And I do not even bother with solo mobs... if it isn't heroic... I aint gonna solo it. Unless it's named ofcoarse!

12-08-2006, 11:48 AM	#15
tass Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,097	The tank pet hasnt been nerfed. I know cause I tested it on beta lol.Actually if anything the pets were all buffed up in the last days of the testing due to survivability issues or somthing. What is being experienced is soe's way of trying to attempt to stop farming sort of. Names, herotics, and ur reg mobs were all beefed up. They can take harder hits and dish out better [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] kickings. So expect 1 hell of a time if ur used to killing off a named 10 levels below u or herotics.

12-08-2006, 01:01 PM	#16
Zarlaan Lord Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 15	The enhance earth pet AA is not working properly. Currently none of the pets are receiving the benefits from the Conjurations line.

12-10-2006, 12:56 PM	#17
Themaginator Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 833	DanielAtchison wrote:did anyone else notice the tank pet has ben nerfed and SoE didnt tell anyone about it?whats everyone else think about this? no it hasnt... heh and can we please say like The Devs or something i dunno why but it really bothers me when people say SoE its not like the entire Online department of Sony did it lol

12-11-2006, 09:35 AM	#18
RanmaBoyType Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 440	I cannot confirm anything, ever since LU13 the tank pet sucked, so i stopped using it. My wifey FURY tanks better and holds aggro better than the tank pet, so when we duo, she tanks and i pull out the fire pet, which is master, with master offense stance, and she still holds aggro and can take a hit. conji tank pet = totally worthless. __________________ Chan Clan Stats - eq2 Players

12-12-2006, 01:57 AM	#19
Inuki1 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 74	RanmaBoyType wrote: I cannot confirm anything, ever since LU13 the tank pet sucked, so i stopped using it. My wifey FURY tanks better and holds aggro better than the tank pet, so when we duo, she tanks and i pull out the fire pet, which is master, with master offense stance, and she still holds aggro and can take a hit. conji tank pet = totally worthless. Wow. I couldn't disagree more. Ever since LU13? The tank pet has since become awesome for holding aggro and tanking in general. Buff it up with EV and BP and send it into a group of heroics, and I can AE my heart out and still not steal aggro. As someone who solo's 80% of the time using the tank pet, it is definately my pet du jour.

12-12-2006, 07:48 AM	#20
RanmaBoyType Loremaster Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 440	a group of heroics are weaker than any single heroic is. Try sending that same pet against a triple up of the same level as the groups you fight and see how well he holds up __________________ Chan Clan Stats - eq2 Players

12-12-2006, 04:23 PM	#21
Renpatsu Loremaster Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 188	My tank pet did hold aggro fine on a 72 named heroic, aggro isn't an issue with Blazing line from my point of view. __________________ Ceneen, Warden of Elysium on Lucan D'Lere

12-14-2006, 12:15 AM	#22
Inuki1 Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 74	RanmaBoyType wrote: a group of heroics are weaker than any single heroic is. Try sending that same pet against a triple up of the same level as the groups you fight and see how well he holds up Pre-LU29 this was no problem for me either. My main targets while soloing was big game type stuff that was even conning with me. I used to regularly do Scornfeathers when the names were yellow to me. It was tough sometimes, and I had to use every trick in my arsenal to pull it off (Yeddhads, potions, etc), but it was certainly doable. When they got to even conning or blue conning it became even easier. After LU29, it's become a lot more iffy. I find I can still do ^^^, it just requires some adapting. Anyway, my point is that you should really give the tank pet a try again. With Adept3 pet and Adept3/Master2 defensive stance, the fella never loses aggro. Especially with Blazing/EV.