I havent seen anything wrong yet

[Leviathanx]

Alot of ppl have been saying how bad conjuror is now and how pets suck. But at lv 33 i was able to solo lv 35 yellow with one to 2 up arrow in zek, and my pet wouldnt go past half health. I could even solo a group of say 3 yellows with like one up arrow on one of the mobs. Seemed odd to me what ppl were saying about their experiences.

[BigRedWo]

I feel that the people who are complaining are the ones who haven't spent the time upgrading gear and spells.  With okay gear, and mostly adept3 spells, I feel like super mage.  I die more than I used to, but I feel so much more confident with grouped mobs than before the combat changes.

[Skalis]

I like my new conjurer, more fun than berfore imo. Soloing lvl 50 at 47. One thing I hate is the very slow invisible combined with that almost nothing is grey. This makes some things time consuming.

 

/Auope

[Geothe]

Adjustments are needed for people. that is for sure.

 

The biggest thing:  If you want to continue to solo, and Adept 3 pet is a MUST.  Its that simple. lol

 

But, Adept 3 spells wont be as difficult of a thing to come buy either with rares being more common.  So for those people that say "but i'm new and I have no money, so I can't afford a rare for and Adept 3"  Go out and harvest your own!.

 

I spent like 4-5 hours harvesting in TS on Sunday.

The results:

1 sparkling flower

1 Dandelion Fiber

1 Severed Fir

2 Steel Clusters

2 Rough Jaspers

2 Palladium Clusters

 

So there is a hex doll and 4 spell upgrades right there, along with some bartering Rares to trade to the scholar in exchange for their time.

[XtremSummo]

Yup, it's taking some players longer than others to adjust to the changes in the conjuror class. There are a few things that players need to do if they're going to get to grips with things it seems:

 

1) Understand that we now have 6 pets. Earth + Def Stance, Earth + Off Stance, Air + Def Stance, Air + Off Stance, Fire + Def Stance and Fire + Off stance. For any given situation, there will be one Pte/Stance combo that is the best. If your Earth pet is taking too much damage in offensive stance, then try it with Defensive stance and modify your own casting as a result.

 

If that doesn't work then you might try going with an Air Pet in Def stance to see whether killing quicker is better for that mob/situation - but you'll perhaps need to drop your own damage profile a little to avoid pulling aggro - and so on. There are a great many different adjustments you can make before finding the right set-ups and knowing which are best for which type of situation will make a real difference to your performance.

 

2) Read the descriptions on your spells again. Many spells have had their damage, effects, casting times etc changed. If you're looking to do best damage getting the right combinations of spells is key. You really need to relearn your toolset from scratch. Quite a few spell lines have been extended, others joined together etc. It's really worth taking the time to re-read the descriptions on your spells and think about how that should affect your tactics.

 

3) Buff your Intelligence. Go to the broker now and look for items for every slot that buff your intelligence. I have friends who never focussed on their Int stats before who found themselves very weak after the changes came in. One level 38 friend did some buying at the broker spending a maximum of 2 gold on any single item with most items costing ~60s - and doubled his Intelligence in the process. His damage went up considerably as a result and his general performance was much, much better.

 

4) Don't resist change. Whatever you may think of the changes, the conjuror tactics and strategy did change dramatically. If you haven't considerably changed what you're doing, then you're almost certainly not getting the best out of your new conjuror tools. If you resist change, then you'll suck. Better to embrace the change and learn how best to take advantage.

 

Those are the big tips I'd give.

X

[Loral]

/em applauds softly.

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XtremSummons wrote:

4) Don't resist change. Whatever you may think of the changes, the conjuror tactics and strategy did change dramatically. If you haven't considerably changed what you're doing, then you're almost certainly not getting the best out of your new conjuror tools. If you resist change, then you'll suck. Better to embrace the change and learn how best to take advantage.

 

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Look, what more can be added? This point alone resumes ALL the problems the people that complain/whine are facing. It is also the philosophy that I try to show people. Read all your spells, learn their new effects/cast/recast/power again, then design new strategies and combinations for the various situations.

And for the love of god, if you are geared in handcrafted/App4, do not complain that you cannot solo Heroics anymore.

[Xalmat]

Another classic quote by Loralor!

[Thibor24]

Conjurer is now my most fun character to play.

 

Ad3 air pet is great.

 

I now feel like im a benefit to a group and am the soloing champ

 

My warlock got kicked hard, and my warden is so not fun hes been mothballed.

 

As for melee i've never been able to get a melee char to 30, they are just too dull.

[Loral]

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Xalmat wrote:
Another classic quote by Loralor!

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Xalmat stop that, my head won't go thru the door anymore! :smileyvery-happy:

[j]

Personaly this  nothing is wrong burry out heads in the sand   syndrom going around is very annoying .

 

 

There are problems with the class esp compared to where we were before  and the game itself has a ton of problems like the  crapng on  the solo player.

 

 

 

[Ellestil]

The more time I spend on my Conjuror with the new changes, the better I get at taking mobs that are very challenging. If I took a green ^^^ mob the other day, Im sure there are others out there that can take higher. Just because you can't achieve something doesn't mean the class is broken. Sure there are some tweaks that would be nice, like a better pet heal, or a better mana tap. You can't really tell the potential of a given class until you are decked out with max int and all master spells. Even then your playstyle will affect your outcomes. As long as you are in average gear and can take average solo mobs you are in the right range. Improve your gear and spells and you should be able to handle harder mobs.

And yes make sure you know which spells are best to use now. I'll give you a great example. Blazing Presence use to inrease the pets mana pool and was rarely used by a level 50 Conj. Now it is a buff placed on the pet that allows 5 procs for great damage. It is our version of a wizards nuke, but relies on the pet to carry it out. If I was soloing and still under the assumption that Blazing Presence was worthless, my performance would greatly suffer.

My advice, find a Conjuror that seems to be doing well soloing and ask him how he does it. Most players I know that play a pet class love to share strategies. And try all kinds of tactics. Don't rely on just sending the earth pet in and healing until mob is dead. This won't work anymore unless its a solo mob that con's lower than you. For more challenging mobs, use every trick and tool at your disposal and you'll find you can do more than you thought possible.

Ellestil 51 Conjuror Najena--Shadow Syndicate

[schrammy]

Yea guys hang in there and listen to those experienced Conjurers, they know what they're talking about.

I'm a necro myself and i must say I LIKE alot of the changes. In fact: Each day i feel that i'm taking tougher mobs.

 

If you can get to the Stinkin Sands there is alot of INT gear dropping. 5 points of INT matter a TON now.

 

I run around now with a complete set of spare jewelry with int on them. Depending on the situation (aggrowise) i put on the int stuff or the resist stuff.

 

 

Test as much as you can and you will see that you can develop a playstyle to suit you. I have seen posts on the necro boards that they have found strategies to kill up to yellow^^^ mobs again. (probably with REAL good gear but still)

As for myself i have no problems chainpulling yellow ^^  mobs.

[Loral]

JVD

You just come here and keep saying in every thread that you have actually lost power with the changes, yet you still never give info about yourself or the mobs you are fighting.

Please enlighten us:

Level, average gear level (handcrafted, legendary, fabled), average spell level, mobs you are trying to tackle, most common pet/stance combo, most common spell order strategy, etc.

As you seem to be one of the very few left that think we are all "putting our head in the sand", I am very curious as to where you stand in the ladder.

[Nezumigami]

coming from a 60 mage (over 10000 CoTh served!)  turned beastie (sorry I like puppies) in EQ1 (like that means anything but..)  I don't mind playing a class people think are nerfed, in fact the less press the summoner classes get the better, less doofuses playing the class. Yes we are nerfed and suck really bad please reroll everyone!!!! I'll go on having fun in my own noob way. Summoners are not an uber easy class please reroll paladin ASAP!! If folks like Xalmat and the other nice above posters are the median of conjurers I'm happy to throw my goofy pet in the mix anyday.  easy classes are boring..fun classes are fun. and come on who doesnt want to unleash a batch of etheral fish stalkers at work???

[schrammy]

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Nezumigami wrote:
coming from a 60 mage (over 10000 CoTh served!)  turned beastie (sorry I like puppies) in EQ1 (like that means anything but..)  I don't mind playing a class people think are nerfed, in fact the less press the summoner classes get the better, less doofuses playing the class. Yes we are nerfed and suck really bad please reroll everyone!!!! I'll go on having fun in my own noob way. Summoners are not an uber easy class please reroll paladin ASAP!! If folks like Xalmat and the other nice above posters are the median of conjurers I'm happy to throw my goofy pet in the mix anyday.  easy classes are boring..fun classes are fun. and come on who doesnt want to unleash a batch of etheral fish stalkers at work???

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Come to think of it... Yea Nezumigami is absolutely right. Summoner class sucks all of the unhappy people should reroll !!!

 

[j]

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Loralor wrote:

JVD

You just come here and keep saying in every thread that you have actually lost power with the changes, yet you still never give info about yourself or the mobs you are fighting.

Please enlighten us:

Level, average gear level (handcrafted, legendary, fabled), average spell level, mobs you are trying to tackle, most common pet/stance combo, most common spell order strategy, etc.

As you seem to be one of the very few left that think we are all "putting our head in the sand", I am very curious as to where you stand in the ladder.

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I have explained many times .

 

 

I'm now lvl 42. My air pet is adept 3 ,  i have the master 2 defensive stance and everything else is mostly app4-adept 1 unless the spell doesn't have an upgrade because soe forgot it .

 

My gear is in the middle of the road. Its not uber but its not crap .  Of course i'm a solo player so I don't have a guild giving me stuff and the loot that drops is crappy .  Of course you don't seem to care about the solo player .

 

I try taking on lvl 44-46s that con solo to me .  If I don't get any adds the fight will be won but I will have much less power and my pet will be greatly damaged  which will cause me to spend more time twiddling my fingers watching tv . Or  if i get adds it will most likely land me dead   or my pet dead . Which means even more down time to cast my pet and all its buffs .

 

Not to mention that now all the rewards are less than they were prepatch and now with the bonus exp gone its even slower to lvl than prepatch. Much slower .

 

 

Now if I take on blue mobs or white mobs , i can kill faster but the exp is so reduced that it will be the same outcome very little movement towards a lvl than before.  Some of you like xalmart or whatever are happy about this . God only knows why . But  He should not be happy about this and neither should you .  Not many of us were at lvl cap for months before the patch so we could get adept 3s and master 1 spells out the wazooo and the best armor and items .  But as a result of this patch to solo effectively you need group based rewards  or rewards priced out of the normal price lvls of a soloer .  Yes adept 3 prices are slowly inching down. That is true . But it will still be awhile before it drops down to a price I can afford .We are still looking at around 80g for an adept 3 tier 4 and about 1.1p for an adept 3 tier 5 . Which means two adept 3s and i'm out of cash unless i can harvest them myslef (did get one which will go to my earth pet)  but that still leaves the leet armor that I will need that is hard to get because i need to find pick up groups to do it .

 

 

As i've been saying all along solo players are [Removed for Content] .  I'm not talking about someone who likes to solo but are in a guild so they can do all raid and group based encounters for leet gear and then solo when the guildmates aren't around. I'm talking about the person who solos 80% of the time . They are screwd and if you don't believe me reroll a character to its 20s and play with all app3- adept 1s  with decent gear  (no twinking now) and see how well you do

[DragonMaster2385]

So your whole basis is that you can't solo orange mobs with no difficulty anymore?  This was the whole purpose of the combat change, to make it harder and make more sense.  Every class is going to find it harder to solo these mobs, not just conjs.  Many people have started to see the change and how much sense it makes; don't you think it is time for you to open your eyes?  And when it comes to not being in a guild or trying to solo 80% of the time, I guess I would have to ask "why?"  If you are playing a massivly multiplayer online game, why are you running solo most of the time?  If you want a 'solo' based MMO, I suggest you go try out WoW, as you can solo to level 60 in just a few months.

 

NOBODY has been nerfed, the enemies have just gotten better.

[Loral]

Okay, NOW  I see where you are coming from, in part.

Please, add one thing in your balance JVD. The /con system also changed alot.

Normally, if you are in average gear with average spells, a battle against a white-con solo mob will stretch your skills, as it is exactly your strenght. If you get a notch above average (ad1 spells, a bit more than handcrafted gear) then the battle will get progressively easier.

You are battling stuff 2-4 levels above you. Of course it will be hard. You say you win theses, then it means you are at that level of effectiveness. Of course any add, even a low green, that adds to that battle will kill you.

So your choices are basically to include in your strategy a way to advoid adds, or to fight lower stuff. First one is not always easy, as you have to know your battlefied area very well, know the behavior of the mobs, their pathings, etc. The second one is a notch less rewarding on the XP-per-kill ratio, but the kill-per-minute ratio goes up accordingly.

You just have to find your own middle ground, and preferences.

Now, what are your battle strategies? I assume you are using Ad3 Air pet with Master2 Volatile. What buffs do you have on? What is your usual casting order in a typical fight?

Message Edited by Loralor on 09-21-2005 11:53 AM

[Boat Meadow]

I heard that DoF was a bit easier than the old zones, so even though I was only level 42 I headed over there.   Started with the crocs a couple levels above me (all mobs I mention in this thread will be no up arrow/no down arrow).  They were a piece of cake.  Kept trying harder and harder mobs.  I'm now taking out level 50 mobs (at level 42).  They are a challenge and a long fight, but never really a risk of dying unless something else jumps in.  I have most Adept III and a full set of rare player made T5 armor.  My pet is certainly weaker, but boy does he hold aggro.  I let him get the first punch in and then I just start casting and casting.  It's very rare I can pull the aggro no matter how hard I try.  As someone who has soloed most of his 42 levels I am enjoying this immensely!  I am using the earth pet (Adept III).

[j]

You still don't understand at all .

 

Lvling by soloing is impossible.  Completing solo quests now requires a duo  team  unless your 3-4 lvls above the quest lvl .

 

 

It has nothing to do with what I fight. If i got decent money and exp from killing blues i t wouldn't matter as long as it was fun . But solo isn't fun. You do alot more work for alot less reward .

 

 

Its very simple and there is no way around it for soe. All solo players are saying the same thing and no matter how many times you all shout relearn your class the simple truth is it doesn't matter. The end result is a slower lvl crawl for the solo player. Much reduced over what it was pre patch  after they made a huge deal at the begning of the year to make soloing more fun and rewarding. This is complete back tracking on soe's part.

[DragonMaster2385]

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jvd wrote:

You still don't understand at all .

 

Lvling by soloing is impossible.  Completing solo quests now requires a duo  team  unless your 3-4 lvls above the quest lvl .

 

 

It has nothing to do with what I fight. If i got decent money and exp from killing blues i t wouldn't matter as long as it was fun . But solo isn't fun. You do alot more work for alot less reward .

 

 

Its very simple and there is no way around it for soe. All solo players are saying the same thing and no matter how many times you all shout relearn your class the simple truth is it doesn't matter. The end result is a slower lvl crawl for the solo player. Much reduced over what it was pre patch  after they made a huge deal at the begning of the year to make soloing more fun and rewarding. This is complete back tracking on soe's part.

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I bold, italiced, and underlined that because I thought that it was very important.  Take a look a the post RIGHT above yours.  He sated that he is soloing mobs 8 levels higher than him and he is having a blast.  Wow, you are right, every solo player is saying the exact same thing.

 

It's ok, if you need help inserting your foot into your mouth, I'm sure someone here can help you.

[j]

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They are a challenge and a long fight, but never really a risk of dying unless something else jumps in.  I have most Adept III and a full set of rare player made T5 armor

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Yes because i'd love to see how many solo players actually have a full set of rare t5 armor and mostly adept 3s .

 

Yea that sounds like a solo player.

 

As i've been saying in my posts a real solo player isn't ap erson in a guild that solos when nothing else is going on. A solo player is a person who mainly solos .

[DragonMaster2385]

he said that he soloed most of the way up to level 42, and it is VERY possiable for him to get that stuff solo.  First, he could be making a lof of his own spells with rares that he got on his own.  Then, he could buy all of the gear with the cash he makes from crafting.  See, now you are flat out calling another poster a lier about how much he solos.  The only reason you are saying that is because he hurts your point. 

You said that you think soloing is no fun and every other solo player is saying the same thing.  The other poster said he is a solo player and he is having a blast.  I then called you out on your false claim and you state that he is lieing about being a solo player?  Get real.

[j]

Calling him a lier ? No he siad he mostly solo'd so that is what  51% of the time and the rest of the time he was with his guild grouping ?

 

 

No that is not a solo player.  IF he had anyone helping him out with giving him cheap gear  or making cheap combines that is not solo playing , that is a guild player .

 

Of course he barely gave any more info than mostly expect for his gear which looking at the market  would have cost him around 15p for his gear and another 5-8 pp for 4 tier 5 spells .  I'm sorry show me someone who mostly solos that has that much money. Even if you figure he was lucky and got all his rares he would still be spending 1-3 pp on all that for parts and combines . Then you factor in this is only his tier 5 . What was he using at tier 2-4 ? Was he using crap and if so how was his soloing experiance ?  Was he able to get this because the old system was broken and now its replaced with a new broken system that you had to take advantage of the old one to be able to take advantage of the new broken system ?

 

 

As I said  i've been soloing and i'm a crafter (27 sage) and I have no where near the money to buy what he has bought even with the increase in rare drops

[Boat Meadow]

Ok, I'll chime back in.  I soloed about 95% of the time up to level 42.  I am also a level 31 tailor and have made a lot of money selling hex dolls.  I buy my rares off the broker and then find someone to make the stuff, shopping around for a good price.  None of my stuff was made by anyone in my guild - just other friendly players I found along the way.  I have always had a full set of rare armor (at ever tier).  Crafting is the answer.  When you can buy a dandelion for 30G and turn it into a hex doll that you sell for 50G (and I sell out quickly) it doesn't take long to see the plat rolling.  So, yeah, I dropped about 4pp for my current full suit of armor.  Shelling out 2pp for rubies to make the adept IIIs isn't too bad either.  Heck, at this point, one run through Harclaves nets about 40g in drops...  This is also my highest character and no one helped twink me along.

[Boat Meadow]

FYI, I also went back to DoF last night and they have made the orange mobs much harder - can still do the high level yellows, but not the oranges anymore.

[Melianteas]

Well I am enjoying as never my conjuror, level 37 I am now, and I dont have full expensive gera, not legendary armours.Only adept I and a single adept III my tellurian soldier. And Im doing it quite well solo. I tried oranges if they don'thave arrows up there is not problem.

It's simple for players who doesnt have the money for pay for  adept III spellsor amazing armour/jewlery: moobs up arrows are  marked to kill in grups no solo. Okis yesterday a 3 up arrows gnoll jumped on me I did it but was green. So... Im going to get same xp killing a lonely 3 arrow green as killing a group (2 or 3) moobs yellow without arrows. I prefer those yellow are easy and quickly.

No, I dont see anything wrong maybe the healing spell when we use our tank and the timmers. But in general I like the changes.

[liveja]

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jvd wrote:

 

Lvling by soloing is impossible

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Do you mean "impossible" for ALL classes, or just "impossible" for Conjurers?

 

If you mean that solo XP'ing is impossible for ALL classes -- & in another thread, you DID say that soloing for XP & loot was "down across the board for all classes" -- than you are simply, totally, entirely, 100% incorrect. There's no gentle way to say this either: that claim simply REEKS of wrong. I say this from personal experience: I'm a level 25 Swashbuckler, I'm not in a guild, I'm not geared to the hilt with fabled & legendary stuff, the only CAs I have above Adept 1 are the ones I've received via the level-up process, & I've solo'd perhaps 80% of my 25 levels. Since the combat patch, my ability to solo has improved dramatically. This morning, I gained about 25% of level 26 just by casually soloing mobs in Thundering Steppes.

 

If, however, you're only speaking of Conjurers, then you should make that more clear, so the rest of us know exactly what you're saying.

Message Edited by livejazz on 09-22-2005 01:44 PM

[Geothe]

"jvd wrote:

 

Lvling by soloing is impossible"

 

 

That's funny.

and here I have gone from lvl 20 to lvl 33 without a single problem on my conj since the revamp.

 

and he has yet to even form a group with -anyone-

 

Wow.  guess he should be deified then being as he is able to accomplish the "impossible" with ease...  heh

[dobepinch]

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jvd wrote:

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Loralor wrote:

JVD

You just come here and keep saying in every thread that you have actually lost power with the changes, yet you still never give info about yourself or the mobs you are fighting.

Please enlighten us:

Level, average gear level (handcrafted, legendary, fabled), average spell level, mobs you are trying to tackle, most common pet/stance combo, most common spell order strategy, etc.

As you seem to be one of the very few left that think we are all "putting our head in the sand", I am very curious as to where you stand in the ladder.

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I have explained many times .

 

 

I'm now lvl 42. My air pet is adept 3 ,  i have the master 2 defensive stance and everything else is mostly app4-adept 1 unless the spell doesn't have an upgrade because soe forgot it .

 

My gear is in the middle of the road. Its not uber but its not crap .  Of course i'm a solo player so I don't have a guild giving me stuff and the loot that drops is crappy .  Of course you don't seem to care about the solo player .

 

I try taking on lvl 44-46s that con solo to me .  If I don't get any adds the fight will be won but I will have much less power and my pet will be greatly damaged  which will cause me to spend more time twiddling my fingers watching tv . Or  if i get adds it will most likely land me dead   or my pet dead . Which means even more down time to cast my pet and all its buffs .

 

Not to mention that now all the rewards are less than they were prepatch and now with the bonus exp gone its even slower to lvl than prepatch. Much slower .

 

 

Now if I take on blue mobs or white mobs , i can kill faster but the exp is so reduced that it will be the same outcome very little movement towards a lvl than before.  Some of you like xalmart or whatever are happy about this . God only knows why . But  He should not be happy about this and neither should you .  Not many of us were at lvl cap for months before the patch so we could get adept 3s and master 1 spells out the wazooo and the best armor and items .  But as a result of this patch to solo effectively you need group based rewards  or rewards priced out of the normal price lvls of a soloer .  Yes adept 3 prices are slowly inching down. That is true . But it will still be awhile before it drops down to a price I can afford .We are still looking at around 80g for an adept 3 tier 4 and about 1.1p for an adept 3 tier 5 . Which means two adept 3s and i'm out of cash unless i can harvest them myslef (did get one which will go to my earth pet)  but that still leaves the leet armor that I will need that is hard to get because i need to find pick up groups to do it .

 

 

As i've been saying all along solo players are [Removed for Content] .  I'm not talking about someone who likes to solo but are in a guild so they can do all raid and group based encounters for leet gear and then solo when the guildmates aren't around. I'm talking about the person who solos 80% of the time . They are screwd and if you don't believe me reroll a character to its 20s and play with all app3- adept 1s  with decent gear  (no twinking now) and see how well you do

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Well I'm kinda new to this game.  I started about a week before the CU.  Level 26 now and broke as a Joke so I can't afford upgrades on my spell.  I did get a deal on my tellarian soldier (adept 1 for 1 gold) I think that's a good deal anyway.  I don't know anything about this good, fabled, legendary equipment or anything like that.  I use the stuff that has been given to me in my leveling quests.  I'm having a great time as a Conjurer.  I don't know what his problem is.  You just have to be careful and use your pets.