PvP Tactics

[Brew01]

I'm a lvl 37 Coercer on Venakor (Solfire) and I've read a few posts where people seem to be having a hard time solo pvping so I figured I would post how I do it and maybe help my fellow Coercers add some tricks to there pvp game.  Currently I'm top on my server for kills little over 1k.  

 

As a Solo PvP coercer you really should get the see stealth totem Butterfly also you will want the highest lvl Heroic Caster NPC you can charm safely. In TS this would be the lvl 25-29 ^^^ Skelly casters near RoV or the Gnoll Defilers ^^^ near Split Paw.

 

1. Don't forget all Scouts but Ranger won't be able to see you (including on track) while your invised unless they have see invis so always travel self invised.

2. If you walk upon a scout that is invis try and tab onto him or click as fast as you can so you can get the Single target Mez off Quick.

3. After you mez cast all your Debuffs you have for resists and spells as well as your reactives (despotic mind / Haurspx) Root last NONE of these break mez

4. Break mez with stifle followed by your mana drain dots

5. Cast your Blink clears there target window

6. Use your DD spells as fast as they come up

7. After one cycle of DD spells typically your Melee reactive (Haruspx) needs to be casted again Make sure you do this. 

8. If you get other PvPers coming Switch and mez as fast as you can

9. Continue to cast DDs/Dots and your melee reactive as much as possible till death (Despotic Mind typically last whole fight, If it does drop try to make sure its on them if you think they are a flight risk sprint = initial cast 10% of casters mana Despotic mind master 1 does 320% off there HP have had lvl 48 get hit by 1800 when trying to sprint away)

 

This is basically how i kill Qs all day when bored and can't find a grp / scout partner.  As a coercer we are VERY good at pvp you just have to get practice in and learn what works best for your style.  Don't give up on your toon at the lower lvls I almost did and I'm happy i stuck it out.  I would like to hear of other peoples tactics also or if you have an idea that would improve mine plz post away.

 

I want to make another point real quick this tactic is good with or without a pet. A pet will of course make the fight go a lot faster and give you the ability to kill perhaps a higher lvl PC that you normally wouldn't go after but its definitely NOT required. I am constantly killing yellow scouts/casters not so much the tanks and healers I can kill them but the fights are a lot harder.

Forgot to mention we have a stun we can cast while running can't remember name of it but its the deaggy/stun that looks sorta like a brain great for the fleeing victim.

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Scouts... When you root a scout DON"T get within there Ranged atk zone. So basically you either want to get right up in there face so your Melee reactives can be in play which is what I do or I'm not sure if its possible but maybe try to stay out of there ranged zoned yet still able to nuke.  Rangers are VERY easy to kill as long as they can't use there Bow which is almost certain death for us.

Add: Group PvP as a Coercer when facing a group or more then 2 enemies post lvl 40

 

Treat your buffs like you would a typical PvE grp. Haste your fighters / scouts and toss your tank the aggy increaser. One difference I typically cast Synergic (sp?) link on myself in a PvP group.

 

Pets: Don't even bother Group PvP can and almost always will involve a lot of zoning. Might be different if your higher lvl I'm not sure I'm only lvl 42.

 

I'm curently going down the agi AA and have found the spell time reduction to be very useful. Make sure you constantly cast this spell preferably on a healer since it increases targets casting time as well.

 

Your group must stay together make sure everone is on the same page and you don't all rush after individual targets. If your MT chases one person the whole group MUST be with him so take caution and watch what the MT does.

 

1. Assist MT! As the grp rushes into battle make sure to stay within the cluster at all times. This reduces the ability of your enemy to tab onto you quickly. 

2. Cast AE mez and your int Debuff / Grp mana regen

3. Cast Spell Lash Very important spell you must always make sure its active during the fight.

4. Cast all your reactives spells on the MTs target while AE mez is active. Lasts around 7.5 sec in PvP so might not get all of them casted before AE mez is gone.

5. Cast Blink by this time someone has figured out you're a caster and will try to take you out. Use blink / run around as much as needed to lose aggy.

6. Cast Fear its great to watch a full grp run away from the battle. On a side note Make sure your grp assist the MT because Fear will break if the person is damaged. Fear almost never recovers in time for a second use so make sure the enemy is near you when you cast it.

 

By now the fight is crazy so you can go a few ways from here. All three of the follow tactics work great but I would pick one and stick to it depending on your style / mood for the day.

 

1. Stop assisting the MT and use tab to switch between targets dropping either a spell reactive on a caster or melee reactive on fighters / scouts. My logic for this is the healer well become overwhelmed with people to heal and get confused.

2. Assist MT or find that one annoying caster / scout and unload all your reactive spells / dd / dot / debuffs till dead.

3. Or by this time you should know who the Healer is so concentrait all your DPS / Debuffs on this person.

 

Don't forget you can set up a button to >>Go Back to Last Target<<. Very useful when you are taunted off the healer.

 

Try to estimate when the mez immunity is gone and look for that pesky scout or caster who likes to pelt your grp from outside the battle. Single target mez if found and then cast your AE mez. During a typical battle you will be able to land mez more then once. I like to hit it pretty much any time i see its up just to be sure. 

 

If you use this tactic or just add some of what I've said to your bag of tricks you will become a huge asset to any PvP group you join.

 

As before add your own tactic or improve on mine but plz post any ideas so I can compare and improve my own PvP abliity.

Message Edited by Brew01 on 05-07-2006 01:45 PM

[33kerry]

Thank  you,  just what I have been looking for. Any others?

[Rile]

I am terrible at PvP but I don't think it is my class's fault really. Well, okay I hate the timers but beyond that. My only piece of advice for everyone is to do whatever you can to get Despotic Mind Master in PvP. I know some of you find it useless in PvE servers but in PvE this is our best spell. It single handedly makes us the best priest killers. Also, we can stop runners like no other. I got this Master for dirt cheap basically out of luck and it has been my number 1 PvP spell ever. Spell Lash will come in handy to, so as soon as I can I will try to upgrade that. Between Despotic Mind/Spell Lash, I can't imagine any caster type who will want to use any ability on a Coercer without seriously hurting themselves.

[SikkistVendetta]

That's correct... at lvl 55, I can kill any priest with that spell (usually add spell whip just for kicks).

 

They take any amount of dmg, the first thing the do is heal themselves.... let them, reactives will own them.

[Flachett]

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Brew01 wrote:

This is basically how i kill Qs all day when bored and can't find a grp / scout partner.  As a coercer we are VERY good at pvp you just have to get practice in and learn what works best for your style.  Don't give up on your toon at the lower lvls I almost did and I'm happy i stuck it out.  I would like to hear of other peoples tactics also or if you have an idea that would improve mine plz post away.

 

IMessage Edited by Brew01 on 04-23-2006 06:43 AM

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thanks for posting this! I just came back to eq2 (been away about a year) and started a coercer on the same realm as you actually and wasnt sure If it was the one I was gonna stick with, I think now it just might be.

[Brew01]

NP at all Flachette1 and send me a tell if you need some help in game I'll do what I can.  I'm sure once you get used to how a coercer works you will enjoy PvP just as much as I have.  The coercer is so complex with many tools in which we can utilize for PvP and PvE its a lot more fun then just clicking autoatk / spamming buttons.  Once you get good at PvP its hard not to be proud of your low hp cloth wearing toon.

 

I just hope that later in lvls it doesn't change. However after reading a lot of the post from higher lvl mages it seems we don't stand a chance against the amount of DPS the melee types can put out.  I'm worried about the issues they bring up and how it will effect my pvp game.  Hopefully SOE will have some kind of fix in place before I have to experience what so many higher lvl casters have been complaining about.

[Ykryo]

Greetings!

Mr. Corpse Candle, meet Mr. Qeynosian.  Oh my, they just don't get along well together at all.

-Lythian

[Vyndycti]

Let me make sure I have this right.

 

How do you (Brew01) do you number 3 moves while the pvp player is mezed for  that max time of 6 sec?

 

 

(3. After you mez cast all your Debuffs you have for resists and spells as well as your reactives (despotic mind / Haurspx) Root last NONE of these break mez)

[Brew01]

I'm not sure how long the Mez last since I don't have the spell in front of me. I can tell you however from play experience that I have plenty of time to cast both my debuffs both my reactives and lastly the root with time to spare every time I solo kill. I have master 2 on my single target mez no idea what your using but perhaps you should upgrade. So unless the person is smart and cast something like Manastone converts life into power which can break mez, I always get all five of these spells off.

Instead of calling me out and implying that I can't do the described tactic maybe you should try it for yourself. I'm sure I've mentioned before that I have the most kills on my server for coercers and I'm number 2 overall so its obvious I've used this tactic a number of times with no problem. Solfire is my name just in case you want to look on the boards.

While I'm on the subject imo if someone is mezed they should not be able to use items like manastone or for that matter any thing that can inflect personally damage in order to break mez which is basically our win or lose factor for most pvp fights.

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Went in game and got the exact times...

Mezmerize Master 2 = 15sec in pvp

Terible awe Master 1 = 7.5sec in pvp

so as you can see even our aoe mez last longer then 6 secs

Message Edited by Brew01 on 04-26-2006 02:20 PM

[TheFat]

Also, from what I've read, they've changed the manastone. It no longer "inflicts" X amount of damage it "costs" X amount of health so it no longer breaks mez. I believe the vessel of Fyr'Un may be one of the only items left that "inflicts" damage and breaks mez.

[Brew01]

Thanks for the update fates, makes me feel a lot better knowing people can't break mez with an item which almost everyone has by the time they are 50.  However last night I was fighting a monk named (Bash) who broke my mez after only like 2 secs. I wonder how he did it perhaps he used the vessel?? I have no clue... 

 

On a side note I have to say out of all Classes the MONK if played correctly is the hardest for me to kill.  With there natural mental resists and line of mental buffs it gets ugly 1v1.  Don't get me wrong we can beat monks they are just very hard to kill some times.

[Pins]

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Brew01 wrote:

Thanks for the update fates, makes me feel a lot better knowing people can't break mez with an item which almost everyone has by the time they are 50.  However last night I was fighting a monk named (Bash) who broke my mez after only like 2 secs. I wonder how he did it perhaps he used the vessel?? I have no clue... 

 

On a side note I have to say out of all Classes the MONK if played correctly is the hardest for me to kill.  With there natural mental resists and line of mental buffs it gets ugly 1v1.  Don't get me wrong we can beat monks they are just very hard to kill some times.

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Brawlers get a Cure All(arcane, noxious, elemental, trauma) that can be used while stifled/stunned.  Thus he broke through your mez.

[krazykaj]

    Yeah, monks are a very nasty thing to have to tangle with.  They are made to do casters in on a daily basis.  Avoid them at all cost.

[Darthor]

I had a question about interrupts in pvp.  I know healers have a hard time with longer casting spells, but I was wondering if, assuming my char will be going down the entire chronomancer line, would the additional focus and/or anti-interrupt skills in the WIS/INT AA lines still be warranted in pvp, or do higher level Coercers not have much of a problem with being interrupted?  If not, then I would probably prefer the additional avoidance in the STR line. Anyone else made a similar decision?

[Brew01]

Bump added my Grp tactic and as far as the AA goes Darth I'm not sure but I enjoy casting my spells faster even tho it may effect my reactive spells.

[Brew01]

Ever fight a conj solo? Always getting your butt kicked by his/her pet? Well let me tell you I've found a pretty good tactic for dealing with the so called PvP kings.

 

1st   Root the pet 9 out of 10 times a conj will have the scout pet up so no nukes only melee Root the pet and back away.

2nd  Single target mez the Conj

3rd   Cast resist debuff and then unload every reactive / debuff you can find Make sure you land your Mind reactive and spell whip/lash

4th   Check pets root if its almost gone Single target mez pet

5th   Cast your dots dds stiffles and stun over and over

 

Watch your reactives make sure they are up they will kill the conj. (your dots / dds are just extra damage). If done right you can kill the conj before his pet ever even enters the battle.

 

I have killed Orange Conned Conjs a few times with this tactic so I know it works Orange to a lvl 50 anyway time will tell for later lvls.

[Brew01]

Little trick to kill monks have used it many times and now I'm not so worried about finding one while solo.

 

The first thing you do to a monk is ROOT the cure all spell they have will cure root / mez but its on a timer so cast ROOT first and back up. 

 

The monk now uses the cure all spell and it is on a timer (Not sure what timer is) and you can now use mez and get the full time in order to land you mental debuff and your melee reactive / spell reactives.

 

I've killed monks +2 lvls higher to me doing this when typically I would be free status due to stuns.

[Eluzay]

*cough*bump*cough

[Violator]

Love PVP with my coercer, currently lvl 36 and running a little better then 10-1 kill to death. However, I have ran into a few paladins that give me real trouble. Seems once they get their ward off, there is nothing I can do to get through the ward. Although, the idea just hit me to cast dispel on them. Have to try that later. But, at any rate, any idea on getting through the ward?

[Mastera]

Been pvpin with a 25 coercer and loving it...solo or grouped.Nice to lock down a whole group so they can't evac.

[dimsoul2]

if only charming had some use in pvp I mean, why not let us charm a PC, then force them to attack their teamates??? Dont even get me started about posession...

[Zearo]

I believe you can have charm'd players attack thier comrades, BUT they have to attack you for your "pet" to attack back.

[Zearo]

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Violatortn wrote:

Love PVP with my coercer, currently lvl 36 and running a little better then 10-1 kill to death. However, I have ran into a few paladins that give me real trouble. Seems once they get their ward off, there is nothing I can do to get through the ward. Although, the idea just hit me to cast dispel on them. Have to try that later. But, at any rate, any idea on getting through the ward?

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Hit 40 and then paladins will run from you....But you gotta stifle them first, and then start casting your reactives.....As a coercer you can always garuntee a green melee'r will attack you.Cast a nuke for low damage, they will laugh at you and your pathetic nukes......They charge, you mezYou cast reactives they laugh somemore.....They die in a heartbeat.....Oh and 40 you get Spell Lash, it does like 550 damage master 1 whenever someone casts a spell or CA

[Zearo]

Anyone here know about the infamous....Grey Killing Status Gaining Coercer Trick?Ill post if noone knows what i am talking about.... I am sure its well known, but you never know

[dimsoul2]

I havent played in like 8 months, so enlighten us.

[Jibber Mong]

Nice write up Solfire.

Be interested if there is any lvl 70 coercers out there who successfully solo pvp vs other lvl 70's (anyone can kill greens heh) without using a master charmed pet. For me its resist after resist despite having lots of masters. The problem with the strat you detailed solfire is all it takes is one or two resists and its all over. If i could get the spells to land i'd be doing pretty much the same as illustrated in your original post. Fighting mages isn't so bad as their spells resist as much as mine do, but a well geared melee type will just laugh as your mez/root/stifle/auspex is resisted and he kills you in seconds.

Maybe once i get m1 charm solo pvp will be an option again but for now if there isn't a group or raid invite incomming i play my bruiser for solo pvp.

[Zearo]

Ok the Coercer trick is as follows:Go to a zone where Qs will be xp'ingThis zone should be greyed out and then some, you need to be able to annihilate a group of 6 by yourself.Ok go through the zone and watch for Qs, Target thier mob they are killing and charm the mob  (you must be fast, if they kill it before you charm it, its a nogo, if you are casting your nukes and your pet dies, its a nogo)So I wait for a multiple encounter mob, and charm.Open up with PW, followed by my reactives, and stifle the scoutThe game mechanic at work here is this:  That thing you are charming is now part of your group, those Qs do NOT know that, so they keep bashing it for xp, but its also a threat on your life.  So you can now attack anyone engaged to your new pet.It works all the time, but you have to be quicker killing them, then they your pet.

[Brew01]

Thanks jabber ya its tough the higher you get when i wrote that I was a lowbie lvling strictly with pvp here recently i've been only playing a few hours a week with work family.

I'm now 59 almost 60 and to be honest my tactic hasn't changed a whole lot I have to be creative with my stuns a bit half way through the fight but I still can kill anyone slightly yellow and below and almost always be in the yellow / green hp.

I kill mid 60 casters all the time tyrannical mind / spell lash combo is evil I love it. However most times I have to cast my debuff and the reactives a few times and hope they land before mez goes off.

I always try and break mez if I get to that point with my debuff dot it has a 40% resistibly on a master which is very nice and help land all the other spells like mind bend / stifles / daze.

When I hit 70 I'll do another write up tellin how I do my solo pvp because I will no matter what figure out a way to solo pvp with my coercer at all lvls.

Mind you I lvl slow for many reasons one is I have all the spells that count at either adept 3 or master plus the best pvp / bought gear I can find and have a little over 15p waitin for lvl 62 for my next set of gear so I don't go out pvping with sub par items.

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Cob as far as that tactic you just put up I know it however its a very cheap way to get fame and one that probably can get you banned if you used on an every night basis.

IMO just go out and get xp grps in the open non instance zones pvp will find you or watch the channels and help when people call out Q locations coercers don't need to kill greys to get fame we have the tools to do it legit its just not a one button kills like some of the other classes.

 

Message Edited by Brew01 on 08-14-2006 12:06 AM

[Zearo]

I know its cheap Brew, I don't even do it anymore as I am grinding to 70.  After 53 or so PvP gets lame as you just run into 70s with nothing better to do.  Though I love to farm for the ?s in SH so sometimes I get a little naughty.   But everyone gets mad while pvping, maybe you run into nothing but full groups of oranges....And everyone needs a way to release thier anger......Seems us coercers have the perfect trick...... (TO OAKMYST FOREST)

[Mastera]

Just posted a fraps of some chanter fun in pvp:http://eqiiforums.station.sony.com/eq2/board/message?board.id=pvp&message.id=90709#M90709Its a shame I enjoy pvping more with my 25 coercer than my assassin...but hey....whaddaya gonna do? :smileytongue: