Questions about Charm

Nemi · 03-31-2006, 08:34 PM

Hi all,

New Coercer here - played a monk since just after release but when I don't want to tank I've started a Coercer alt. Hoping you kind folks can help me out.

I have Adept3 Charm (not been lucky enough to find a Master yet), what does this actually mean? I've read in the update notes and stickies that it only affects the quality of the skills the pet will use, is that it?

What is the difference of charming a v, v v, no arrow, ^ , ^ ^ or ^ ^ ^ ? Is there any?

It seems no matter what level of mob I charm, even a ^ arrow pet versus a v arrow mob, the pet will lose (at Adept3 Charm)

Hope you guys can clear it up for me.

Apathyloves · 03-31-2006, 08:41 PM

lvl of charm = lvl of spells/CA the charmed mob will useno difference in charming different arrow types as they all become no arrow when charmed. heorics have BIG power pool thoughm1 really truly, truly really is the way to gonektulos.willbender

Nemi · 03-31-2006, 08:56 PM

Thanks for the feedback. I had thought of this but I can't understand then how a no arrow pet using Adept3 skills regularly gets beat by a V arrow mob and always gets beat by a no arrow mob?

I would have thought the pet should always win these fights?

(The examples are the same level and type of mob, only seperated by arrow con)

EDIT: Or do mobs always use Master level skills?

Message Edited by Nemi on 03-31-200603:57 PM

Alaeth · 04-01-2006, 01:21 AM

What level of spells mobs natively use seems to depend on how many arrows they have. Based on the limited testing I've done, ^^^ mobs will cast at Adept III and no-arrows will cast at Adept I, but I'm not sure how it scales aside from those. I'm surprised your pets aren't able to win one-on-one with Adept III Charm, though; I only had Adept I charm during the teen levels as an Enchanter, and I remember my pets basically having a 50% chance to win or lose against other mobs of the same type/level if I did nothing to help (which makes sense). It might have something to do with the type of pet, as priest and mage pets get more benefit from upgraded Charm quality than fighter and scout pets do, since more of their damage comes from spells than auto attack.

03-31-2006, 08:34 PM	#1
Nemi Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 603	Hi all, New Coercer here - played a monk since just after release but when I don't want to tank I've started a Coercer alt. Hoping you kind folks can help me out. I have Adept3 Charm (not been lucky enough to find a Master yet), what does this actually mean? I've read in the update notes and stickies that it only affects the quality of the skills the pet will use, is that it? What is the difference of charming a v, v v, no arrow, ^ , ^ ^ or ^ ^ ^ ? Is there any? It seems no matter what level of mob I charm, even a ^ arrow pet versus a v arrow mob, the pet will lose (at Adept3 Charm) Hope you guys can clear it up for me.

03-31-2006, 08:41 PM	#2
Apathyloves Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 81	lvl of charm = lvl of spells/CA the charmed mob will useno difference in charming different arrow types as they all become no arrow when charmed. heorics have BIG power pool thoughm1 really truly, truly really is the way to gonektulos.willbender

03-31-2006, 08:56 PM	#3
Nemi Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 603	Thanks for the feedback. I had thought of this but I can't understand then how a no arrow pet using Adept3 skills regularly gets beat by a V arrow mob and always gets beat by a no arrow mob? I would have thought the pet should always win these fights? (The examples are the same level and type of mob, only seperated by arrow con) EDIT: Or do mobs always use Master level skills? Message Edited by Nemi on 03-31-200603:57 PM

04-01-2006, 01:21 AM	#4
Alaeth Loremaster Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 144	What level of spells mobs natively use seems to depend on how many arrows they have. Based on the limited testing I've done, ^^^ mobs will cast at Adept III and no-arrows will cast at Adept I, but I'm not sure how it scales aside from those. I'm surprised your pets aren't able to win one-on-one with Adept III Charm, though; I only had Adept I charm during the teen levels as an Enchanter, and I remember my pets basically having a 50% chance to win or lose against other mobs of the same type/level if I did nothing to help (which makes sense). It might have something to do with the type of pet, as priest and mage pets get more benefit from upgraded Charm quality than fighter and scout pets do, since more of their damage comes from spells than auto attack.