Does the level or quality of the charm determine how often it breaks?

Contradicti · 03-08-2006, 04:14 PM

I've read mixed reports on this topic.

I'd like to know whether a level 20 adept 3 charm spell would hold a mob better withiut it breaking charm compared to the level 33 app1 spell?

I know the levle 33 is suppose to last longer but if i was charming level 34 stuff, would the adept 3 level 20 spell be better?

Also I can't seem to find a list of our spells anymore on this website. Has Sony taken down all the class spells or something? If not then where is the link for all our spells?

Finally, since I can't find our spells anymore, do we can an upgrade to Breeze at level 18? I'm currently level 29 but I don't want to bother upgrading this to adept 3 if we get a new one anytime soon.

Contradiction.

I · 03-08-2006, 06:36 PM

There are 2 stickies at the top of this forum with up to date spells for the Coercer class, can't help with the charm sorry, I only ever use it soloing to help tackle groups of 3+ shrug

Anachronomicon · 03-08-2006, 06:45 PM

In as much as I've read and experienced, I would say that you are better off with the AD3 of the level 20 spell over the app1.

I still use a master1 charm from level 48 or whatever (Dominate) rather than going with the adept 1 of Domination. It seems to work alright.

Argan · 03-09-2006, 12:08 AM

The higher lvl the charm the less likely it is to break (aka master breaks less) also its dependent on your current level. Also if your charm is master version then your charmed pet will also use master versions of its attacks, so its more bad [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] of a pet with it.

Mandelbro · 03-09-2006, 12:19 AM

3 things factor into a mob breaking charm (or resisting any spell, for that matter)- Relative level of the spell vs. mob- Relative level of the caster vs. mob- Quality of the spell (app1234/adept123/master12)So a lower level version of charm will hold a mob worse than a higher level. However, the higher quality of that spell will counter that.I still use Beguile (Master I) in my 60's. I don't have a problem holding mobs, and I would much rather trade off the massive damage that the old Master I version gives me over an Adept III of the current tier.

Mandelbro · 03-09-2006, 12:21 AM

I should qualify that last post as 3 things that you can control which factor into a mob resisting. A mob's general resistances can be temporarily debuffed, but in general you don't have control over a mob's wisdom or specific resist stats. Some mobs will be more resistant to mental, ergo they will break charm more often. Just an example.

Tanatus · 03-09-2006, 01:49 AM

Here is a deal ...

In every single SOE game Level is the God. Thus chance to brake mostly depend on ratio your lvl vs. lvl of mob. Second most important factor is TYPE of the mob - humanoids, brawler type of mobs, enchanter type of mob due to native high mental resist will brake charm often (myself I found that easiest to control are warlocks, furies and animals). Last but not least is quality of your charm its mainly affect resist/stability vs. even-yellow conned mobs...

Let me give you some examples how it work

Vs. Red conned mobs .... bleh lol foget about it

Vs. Orange conned mobs .... practically no matter what you use - charm will brake often

Vs. Yellow/Even conned mobs ..... ah here its getting interesting ... master charm will have superior stability over Adept 3 and Adept 3 will be notably better then Adept 1 (say for dominate - while master will score 20 min duration most of the time, Adept 3 will give results closer to 15 min median and Adept 1 10 min)

Vs. Blue/Green - same [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] like vs. orange but here you have upper hand and charm will be stable no matter what you use Adept 1 or Master 1

From person exp: Imo ideal pet for Master 1 charm is even con or yellow +1 lvl, pet should have no more 2 arrow up, warlock, fury or brigand type with most agressive attack script loaded

zit · 03-09-2006, 02:42 AM

Contradiction wrote:
I've read mixed reports on this topic.

I'd like to know whether a level 20 adept 3 charm spell would hold a mob better withiut it breaking charm compared to the level 33 app1 spell?

yes. an adept 3, no matter at what lvl you have recieved the spell, will hold better than an app1.

in this case the only determining factor when comparing two spells is the quality, aka weather the spell is app, adept or master.

the spell being lvl 10 or lvl 60 has no influence at all on resist checks.

03-09-2006, 12:08 AM	#4
Argan Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 47	The higher lvl the charm the less likely it is to break (aka master breaks less) also its dependent on your current level. Also if your charm is master version then your charmed pet will also use master versions of its attacks, so its more bad [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] of a pet with it. __________________

03-09-2006, 02:42 AM	#8
zit General Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 573	Contradiction wrote: I've read mixed reports on this topic. I'd like to know whether a level 20 adept 3 charm spell would hold a mob better withiut it breaking charm compared to the level 33 app1 spell? yes. an adept 3, no matter at what lvl you have recieved the spell, will hold better than an app1. in this case the only determining factor when comparing two spells is the quality, aka weather the spell is app, adept or master. the spell being lvl 10 or lvl 60 has no influence at all on resist checks.

03-08-2006, 04:14 PM	#1
Contradicti Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 12	I've read mixed reports on this topic. I'd like to know whether a level 20 adept 3 charm spell would hold a mob better withiut it breaking charm compared to the level 33 app1 spell? I know the levle 33 is suppose to last longer but if i was charming level 34 stuff, would the adept 3 level 20 spell be better? Also I can't seem to find a list of our spells anymore on this website. Has Sony taken down all the class spells or something? If not then where is the link for all our spells? Finally, since I can't find our spells anymore, do we can an upgrade to Breeze at level 18? I'm currently level 29 but I don't want to bother upgrading this to adept 3 if we get a new one anytime soon. Contradiction.

03-08-2006, 06:36 PM	#2
I Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 8	There are 2 stickies at the top of this forum with up to date spells for the Coercer class, can't help with the charm sorry, I only ever use it soloing to help tackle groups of 3+ shrug

03-08-2006, 06:45 PM	#3
Anachronomicon Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 47	In as much as I've read and experienced, I would say that you are better off with the AD3 of the level 20 spell over the app1. I still use a master1 charm from level 48 or whatever (Dominate) rather than going with the adept 1 of Domination. It seems to work alright.

03-09-2006, 12:19 AM	#5
Mandelbro Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 235	3 things factor into a mob breaking charm (or resisting any spell, for that matter)- Relative level of the spell vs. mob- Relative level of the caster vs. mob- Quality of the spell (app1234/adept123/master12)So a lower level version of charm will hold a mob worse than a higher level. However, the higher quality of that spell will counter that.I still use Beguile (Master I) in my 60's. I don't have a problem holding mobs, and I would much rather trade off the massive damage that the old Master I version gives me over an Adept III of the current tier.

03-09-2006, 12:21 AM	#6
Mandelbro Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 235	I should qualify that last post as 3 things that you can control which factor into a mob resisting. A mob's general resistances can be temporarily debuffed, but in general you don't have control over a mob's wisdom or specific resist stats. Some mobs will be more resistant to mental, ergo they will break charm more often. Just an example.

03-09-2006, 01:49 AM	#7
Tanatus Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,003	Here is a deal ... In every single SOE game Level is the God. Thus chance to brake mostly depend on ratio your lvl vs. lvl of mob. Second most important factor is TYPE of the mob - humanoids, brawler type of mobs, enchanter type of mob due to native high mental resist will brake charm often (myself I found that easiest to control are warlocks, furies and animals). Last but not least is quality of your charm its mainly affect resist/stability vs. even-yellow conned mobs... Let me give you some examples how it work Vs. Red conned mobs .... bleh lol foget about it Vs. Orange conned mobs .... practically no matter what you use - charm will brake often Vs. Yellow/Even conned mobs ..... ah here its getting interesting ... master charm will have superior stability over Adept 3 and Adept 3 will be notably better then Adept 1 (say for dominate - while master will score 20 min duration most of the time, Adept 3 will give results closer to 15 min median and Adept 1 10 min) Vs. Blue/Green - same [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] like vs. orange but here you have upper hand and charm will be stable no matter what you use Adept 1 or Master 1 From person exp: Imo ideal pet for Master 1 charm is even con or yellow +1 lvl, pet should have no more 2 arrow up, warlock, fury or brigand type with most agressive attack script loaded