So anyone already know what our lvl 64 training choices?

Tanatus · 03-02-2006, 02:33 AM

I really hope it will be our lvl 61 charm.....

Murdaben · 03-02-2006, 02:46 AM

Does it really matter that much? the difference in pets between Master 1 and Master 2 is probably not al that large. Most likely its not as large as the jump from Adept 3 to Master 1.If you are solong a lot I guess it does matter. But who solos a coercer? At this level, if you are soloing a lot you are a pet calls like conj or necro, or else your soclial skills or your guild pretty much suck.Raid-wise, it doesnt matter much at all unless you take a regen. Group-wise is pretty much the same, with mezzing probably being mre important for grouping.And after hitting 70, raids are all thats left, which means all us coercers become are buffbots again until the next grind up after the next level-cap expansion.So this is a big shoulder shrug for me. I wouldnt hold my breath wondering. But I'll tell you whenI hit that level probably next week (or talk to one of the elitle guild buffbots they are leveling up that I've seen lately 24-7 online).

Tanatus · 03-02-2006, 02:52 AM

You never know .... one day may be coercer will able charm none named mobs in raid instances (so far only 2 places I know where you could do that SC and LJ)

Major problem is that Master 1 tier 5/6 about as good as Adept 3 tier 7 (well Master 2 Magus >>>> Adept 1 Auspex) so the only spells that worth getting from tier 7 is masters or no upgrade at all for those who already have full set of t6 masters...

Genereally higher version of spell have less resistance and longer duration thus I would not getting Adept 3 of Domination while I have Master 1 Dominate but will definitly go after Master 2 Domination

What else it good for? - well aside of raiding (and yes that the only thing that left at lvl 70) you still have farming (and if you have [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] load alts you oughta do it a lot)

VampTou · 03-02-2006, 02:56 AM

Judging by the lvl 24 choices (was a long time ago, might not remember correctly), mana regen (Ease) will be put as the Master II choice instead of the charm (for the lvl 61 spells)... then again, I am not 64 yet so I might be wrong.

Daz · 03-03-2006, 08:33 PM

Ease was a Master II choice

Harmonious Link was another. I forget the other two atm

Domination was not a Master II choice though.

Daz · 03-03-2006, 08:46 PM

Marred Psyche was third but I still can't remember third =

shwig · 03-03-2006, 11:00 PM

Ease, Harmonious Link, Perilous Gaze, and Marred Psyche. It's pretty much the shaft if you ask me hehe.

Tanatus · 03-04-2006, 04:30 AM

Now who that morron that put Ease for M2 choice????

Look at this

mana regeneration hard capped at 75 points per tic from outside ot natural regeneration sourses....

for crist sake lets take Adept 1 of each of next spells

Ease, Beholder Eye and Gorging Toughts

31, 11 and ~16 (technically 31 but you have cool down period before you can recast spell) which is .... 58... upgrading those into Adept 3 give +20% roughtly which is 70/tic out max possible 75 .... Toss here that ppl do have some FT items (one that comes for range from Nest or GEBs are particularly easy to get) ...

So [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]???? Why we got shaft???? Assasins got pretty nasty DOT, Warlocks got PRIMARY AoE attack upgrade Void Abs - why we cannt get PRIMARY class defining skill???

Edward Longshank · 03-04-2006, 04:34 AM

Tanatus wrote:
mana regeneration hard capped at 75 points per tic from outside ot natural regeneration sourses....
for crist sake lets take Adept 1 of each of next spells
Ease, Beholder Eye and Gorging Toughts

Gorging Thoughts does not count toward the power regen cap.

Tanatus · 03-04-2006, 04:36 AM

Said who?

Pins · 03-04-2006, 10:35 AM

Tanatus wrote:
Now who that morron that put Ease for M2 choice????
Look at this
mana regeneration hard capped at 75 points per tic from outside ot natural regeneration sourses....
for crist sake lets take Adept 1 of each of next spells
Ease, Beholder Eye and Gorging Toughts
31, 11 and ~16 (technically 31 but you have cool down period before you can recast spell) which is .... 58... upgrading those into Adept 3 give +20% roughtly which is 70/tic out max possible 75 .... Toss here that ppl do have some FT items (one that comes for range from Nest or GEBs are particularly easy to get) ...
So [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]???? Why we got shaft???? Assasins got pretty nasty DOT, Warlocks got PRIMARY AoE attack upgrade Void Abs - why we cannt get PRIMARY class defining skill???

You sir, are a completely [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn].

Power Regeneation is capped at 1.5xlevel, or 105 at level 70. So you can get up to 52.5 from items, and then up to the cap of 105 at the top. You do also know that GT does not count towards the cap because it does NOT add to in-combat regen stat. Therefore, yah. Enough said.

Tanatus · 03-05-2006, 12:51 AM

Pinski lol then I made enchanter I made coercer not illusionist thus

a) I meant to be CHARMER (coercer) not BUFFER (illusionist)

b) Dude I dont give a danm +-10power a tic it wont make or brake nor group neither raid - want to see raw numbers? here we go

Ease Adept 1 - 31 power/tic

Ease Master 2 - 42 power/tic (I know because I HAD to chose this one because rest things were total joke)

I said once I repeat once more personally for your Pinski - while other classes (not all but many) got as lvl 64 training option PRIMARY ability coercer got big SHAFT. We are not are buffers like illusionists meant to be on design we have to pretend that we are because pracitcally none of our primary class defining abilities work during raid - no charm, no stun, no stifle, rarely mez (I barely remember T6 raiding situation then mezing turns to be more usefull then AE stuning).

If I'd have an option respec Ease into either Root or Charm I'll do it next day it be annonced

VampTou · 03-05-2006, 03:49 AM

I must say I do not really agree with you, Tanatus. Ease is, in fact, a coercer primary skill. Arguing that we should get charm Master 2 at lvl 64 because... well.. hmm.. because then we would be able to rule the world and spray "Coercer OMG!!!!11!!one!!11" on every wall.. well, I do not agree with such an argument. It is pretty much like a necro or a conj arguing that they should get master 2 pets... well.. they don't.

Pins · 03-05-2006, 05:41 AM

Tanatus wrote:
Pinski lol then I made enchanter I made coercer not illusionist thus
a) I meant to be CHARMER (coercer) not BUFFER (illusionist)
b) Dude I dont give a danm +-10power a tic it wont make or brake nor group neither raid - want to see raw numbers? here we go
Ease Adept 1 - 31 power/tic
Ease Master 2 - 42 power/tic (I know because I HAD to chose this one because rest things were total joke)
I said once I repeat once more personally for your Pinski - while other classes (not all but many) got as lvl 64 training option PRIMARY ability coercer got big SHAFT. We are not are buffers like illusionists meant to be on design we have to pretend that we are because pracitcally none of our primary class defining abilities work during raid - no charm, no stun, no stifle, rarely mez (I barely remember T6 raiding situation then mezing turns to be more usefull then AE stuning).
If I'd have an option respec Ease into either Root or Charm I'll do it next day it be annonced

Wow man, wow. Mr. Oh Withering Silence doesn't stifle epics, to the new coercers aren't buff-bots. Wow. Talk to any other coercer and they'll look go, uhm, we don't charm except to solo, when we raid, we're buffers, when we group we're stun/stiflers. Wow, is all I can see, you are sooo intelligent. And quit posting bullcrap about the warlock class as well, mr. smarty, you aren't as intelligent as you think, most people disagree with you because you spew so many lies it's pathetic.

Raidi Sovin'faile · 03-05-2006, 04:27 PM

uhm, we don't charm except to solo ... when we group we're stun/stiflers

I agree with everything else you've said, but I've always used charm in regular groups. What else am I going to do with the extra slots? Give a bit of extra power and resistance and some +DPS? In fights that autoattack will hardly ever be used? I don't know about you, but I don't lose any ability in stunning or stifling having a charmed pet up. Not to mention that stunning and stifling isn't exactly required for most regular group fighting... which leaves us with just our reactives (which don't work well with stuns or stifles), and regular nukes.

Nah, I charm a mage or priest pet and add 500 damage (or 300 damage + debuff) dots and 2-3k nukes to my arsenal. Can you honestly say that +DPS on two guys in the group is better than even a single 3k nuke per fight? At +50% DPS, the melee's would have to be doing 6k damage from auto attack alone to cover each of your nukes... that simply ain't happenin. Not to mention that your pet is also casting more than just that, and meleeing on top of it all too.

If I can't use charm in a regular group, I feel like I'm running around fighting with one hand tied behind my back.

Now go back to disagreeing with everything else he's saying. I agree, we shouldn't get charm as our training... it'd defeat the purpose of having a choice of 4. I mean, who in their right mind would EVER choose anything other than a master 2 Charm? Bwahahaha...

Fighters don't get stances... summoners don't get pets... we don't get charms. It's as simple as that. And as a warlock, I recall there were some nice choices at those levels, I could be tempted to choose something other than the AoE. Not only that, if I had a master 1 in my AoE, I'd DEFINATELY choose something else.. whereas even if I had a master 1 in my charm, I'd STILL probably choose master 2, since upgrades mean EVERYTHING for charm. I mean, look at the leap between adept 3 and master 1! Master 2 would probably give us 9k nukes as the regular thing.

Tanatus · 03-05-2006, 10:53 PM

Pinski give me a favor and stop using term "we" please sau "I" - unlike someone .... like you I have been playing coercer since release ... and there are not that many ppl who did the same and as a such created coercer having in mind original design of class (or at least plan that been mentioned by SOE). Dude you playing (or actually may be already not? - my coercer lvl 64 - what lvl you illusionist?)

But lets back to old times shall we?

Whitering Silence lol it DID stifle epic wayyyyyyy back in time .... then all stifles been changed so many time that the only thing remained constant is fact that they still drain power from epic (very much useless but thats the different story all together)

Dude - I have warlock lvl 60 .... you are not so you are the one who have zero clue what warlock and what cannt. I am not paying attention much to warlock class untill up to I finish with my coercer (aka lvl 70 + 50AA)

Things I am telling ppl is expirience from first hands so dude if you want spread bull [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] about coercer class or warlock please give everyone a favor MAKE EM and play at least to the lvl 60 then come here and pretend what you a little clue about things you trying to talk here

Nerj · 03-06-2006, 01:07 AM

Have to agree with Tanatus on this. If we are supposed to be these great Mana regen mages why then would they give us a starting AA spell that REQUIRES us to be BELOW 10% in Mana to use? If we are supposed to be Mana pimps change the class name from Coercer to Mana Pimper.

The Master choices are obviously for those that want to two box a character.

Tanatus · 03-07-2006, 02:37 AM

Exactly - I made coercer at resease to be an operator of charmed pet with serious array of spells to control it .... And I still remember time then I almost got corpal syndrom on crack that was need to be refreshed every 3 min

Sonorod · 03-08-2006, 02:41 AM

Tanatus wrote:
Exactly - I made coercer at resease to be an operator of charmed pet with serious array of spells to control it .... And I still remember time then I almost got corpal syndrom on crack that was need to be refreshed every 3 min

I made a coercer at release too and there wasn't a charm at release...we had beguile at like lvl 37 or 38, so what did you do until then? Let me guess, regen, stuns, and stifles and mezzes. Or were you somehow imposing your real willpower upon digital creations?

Personally I actually thought it was a tough choice between taking Ease and Marred Psyche. A 1K debuff can make a huge diff in a group, solo, or raid encounter when you realize that we are debuffing all resitances.

Would I have taken Domination as M2 were it an option? Maybe. It would have been a lot harder to say no to than that Perilous Gaze crap. Am I happy with my adept 3? Very.

By the way, I thought I had see the regen on Ease Master I was 41, can anyone confirm? That would really make my choice of Ease M2 kind of lame. The M2 should carry the same difference as Adept3 and M1 IMO. 7 points is nice, but a master Ease isn't that far out of reach and only the one point diff there would mean I'm using my /respec.

And oh yeah, breezing raid forces sucked! even when they increased it to 15 mins! By the time you got done with everyone you'd move 50ft and have to put it up again! Group buff FTW!!

Mandelbro · 03-08-2006, 05:56 AM

Sonorod wrote:
And oh yeah, breezing raid forces sucked! even when they increased it to 15 mins! By the time you got done with everyone you'd move 50ft and have to put it up again! Group buff FTW!!

Remember the aggro that would generate as well? In a full raid force, no matter who pulled or how, that epic mofo was coming straight for me. It was always a bit of a race to see if the MT would get aggro before I died. :smileyvery-happy: Good times.

Tanatus · 03-09-2006, 02:20 AM

Sonorod lol IF you are REALLY had coercer at release then you might remember that coercers were champs of DPS before lvl 37...... I was outdamaging every single class in game at release even w/o charm and was kinda happy with it.... You just fogot time then DoT were stacking WITHIN line... Basically stacking 5 dots in conjuction with 2 roots was working awesome.... Coercers lost grace past lvl 37 then every single class got "primo" skill ..... coercer got too .... but not skill ..... shaft.... But since I was kinda racing to lvl 50 and had consistent group of ppl with whom I group I did not care much about DPS in group we had monk AND zerker (you DO remember prenerfed zerkers right?). Once I hit lvl 50 and start raid on regular base.... I curse playing coercer because of corpal syndrom ...... 15 min duration of crack 24 ppl .... with best connection and fast computer it was around 8 min 23s to crack everyone .... 3-5 min to put your hands into cold water and then risen and repeat GRRRRR..... So I said [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] this and made a golden child of SOE (in that time) .... warlock and been happy ever after .... till LU13 then warlocks got a shaft... Then at LU16 charm was shuddenly fixed and I happens to buy during LU15 M1 Dominate for .... like 70gp? So been happy ever after with coercer again

03-02-2006, 02:56 AM	#4
VampTou General Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 47	Judging by the lvl 24 choices (was a long time ago, might not remember correctly), mana regen (Ease) will be put as the Master II choice instead of the charm (for the lvl 61 spells)... then again, I am not 64 yet so I might be wrong. __________________ I'm a control freak, comes with the job.

03-03-2006, 11:00 PM	#7
shwig General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 46	Ease, Harmonious Link, Perilous Gaze, and Marred Psyche. It's pretty much the shaft if you ask me hehe. __________________ Shwiggy Glaze 60 Coercer - 60 Woodworker Guk

03-04-2006, 04:34 AM	#9
Edward Longshank Newbie Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 24	Tanatus wrote: mana regeneration hard capped at 75 points per tic from outside ot natural regeneration sourses.... for crist sake lets take Adept 1 of each of next spells Ease, Beholder Eye and Gorging Toughts Gorging Thoughts does not count toward the power regen cap.

03-04-2006, 10:35 AM	#11
Pins General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,040	Tanatus wrote: Now who that morron that put Ease for M2 choice???? Look at this mana regeneration hard capped at 75 points per tic from outside ot natural regeneration sourses.... for crist sake lets take Adept 1 of each of next spells Ease, Beholder Eye and Gorging Toughts 31, 11 and ~16 (technically 31 but you have cool down period before you can recast spell) which is .... 58... upgrading those into Adept 3 give +20% roughtly which is 70/tic out max possible 75 .... Toss here that ppl do have some FT items (one that comes for range from Nest or GEBs are particularly easy to get) ... So [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]???? Why we got shaft???? Assasins got pretty nasty DOT, Warlocks got PRIMARY AoE attack upgrade Void Abs - why we cannt get PRIMARY class defining skill??? You sir, are a completely [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]. Power Regeneation is capped at 1.5xlevel, or 105 at level 70. So you can get up to 52.5 from items, and then up to the cap of 105 at the top. You do also know that GT does not count towards the cap because it does NOT add to in-combat regen stat. Therefore, yah. Enough said. __________________ Calaglin, Former Illusionist/Guild Leader of Dissolution on Nektulos Calaglin, Former Illusionist/Guild Leader of Confirmed on Unrest

03-05-2006, 03:49 AM	#13
VampTou General Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 47	I must say I do not really agree with you, Tanatus. Ease is, in fact, a coercer primary skill. Arguing that we should get charm Master 2 at lvl 64 because... well.. hmm.. because then we would be able to rule the world and spray "Coercer OMG!!!!11!!one!!11" on every wall.. well, I do not agree with such an argument. It is pretty much like a necro or a conj arguing that they should get master 2 pets... well.. they don't. __________________ I'm a control freak, comes with the job.

03-02-2006, 02:33 AM	#1
Tanatus Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,003	I really hope it will be our lvl 61 charm.....

03-02-2006, 02:46 AM	#2
Murdaben Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 69	Does it really matter that much? the difference in pets between Master 1 and Master 2 is probably not al that large. Most likely its not as large as the jump from Adept 3 to Master 1.If you are solong a lot I guess it does matter. But who solos a coercer? At this level, if you are soloing a lot you are a pet calls like conj or necro, or else your soclial skills or your guild pretty much suck.Raid-wise, it doesnt matter much at all unless you take a regen. Group-wise is pretty much the same, with mezzing probably being mre important for grouping.And after hitting 70, raids are all thats left, which means all us coercers become are buffbots again until the next grind up after the next level-cap expansion.So this is a big shoulder shrug for me. I wouldnt hold my breath wondering. But I'll tell you whenI hit that level probably next week (or talk to one of the elitle guild buffbots they are leveling up that I've seen lately 24-7 online).

03-02-2006, 02:52 AM	#3
Tanatus Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,003	You never know .... one day may be coercer will able charm none named mobs in raid instances (so far only 2 places I know where you could do that SC and LJ) Major problem is that Master 1 tier 5/6 about as good as Adept 3 tier 7 (well Master 2 Magus >>>> Adept 1 Auspex) so the only spells that worth getting from tier 7 is masters or no upgrade at all for those who already have full set of t6 masters... Genereally higher version of spell have less resistance and longer duration thus I would not getting Adept 3 of Domination while I have Master 1 Dominate but will definitly go after Master 2 Domination What else it good for? - well aside of raiding (and yes that the only thing that left at lvl 70) you still have farming (and if you have [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] load alts you oughta do it a lot)

03-03-2006, 08:33 PM	#5
Daz Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 28	Ease was a Master II choice Harmonious Link was another. I forget the other two atm Domination was not a Master II choice though.

03-03-2006, 08:46 PM	#6
Daz Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 28	Marred Psyche was third but I still can't remember third =

03-04-2006, 04:30 AM	#8
Tanatus Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,003	Now who that morron that put Ease for M2 choice???? Look at this mana regeneration hard capped at 75 points per tic from outside ot natural regeneration sourses.... for crist sake lets take Adept 1 of each of next spells Ease, Beholder Eye and Gorging Toughts 31, 11 and ~16 (technically 31 but you have cool down period before you can recast spell) which is .... 58... upgrading those into Adept 3 give +20% roughtly which is 70/tic out max possible 75 .... Toss here that ppl do have some FT items (one that comes for range from Nest or GEBs are particularly easy to get) ... So [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]???? Why we got shaft???? Assasins got pretty nasty DOT, Warlocks got PRIMARY AoE attack upgrade Void Abs - why we cannt get PRIMARY class defining skill???

03-04-2006, 04:36 AM	#10
Tanatus Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,003	Said who?

03-05-2006, 12:51 AM	#12
Tanatus Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,003	Pinski lol then I made enchanter I made coercer not illusionist thus a) I meant to be CHARMER (coercer) not BUFFER (illusionist) b) Dude I dont give a danm +-10power a tic it wont make or brake nor group neither raid - want to see raw numbers? here we go Ease Adept 1 - 31 power/tic Ease Master 2 - 42 power/tic (I know because I HAD to chose this one because rest things were total joke) I said once I repeat once more personally for your Pinski - while other classes (not all but many) got as lvl 64 training option PRIMARY ability coercer got big SHAFT. We are not are buffers like illusionists meant to be on design we have to pretend that we are because pracitcally none of our primary class defining abilities work during raid - no charm, no stun, no stifle, rarely mez (I barely remember T6 raiding situation then mezing turns to be more usefull then AE stuning). If I'd have an option respec Ease into either Root or Charm I'll do it next day it be annonced

03-05-2006, 05:41 AM	#14
Pins General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 3,040	Tanatus wrote: Pinski lol then I made enchanter I made coercer not illusionist thus a) I meant to be CHARMER (coercer) not BUFFER (illusionist) b) Dude I dont give a danm +-10power a tic it wont make or brake nor group neither raid - want to see raw numbers? here we go Ease Adept 1 - 31 power/tic Ease Master 2 - 42 power/tic (I know because I HAD to chose this one because rest things were total joke) I said once I repeat once more personally for your Pinski - while other classes (not all but many) got as lvl 64 training option PRIMARY ability coercer got big SHAFT. We are not are buffers like illusionists meant to be on design we have to pretend that we are because pracitcally none of our primary class defining abilities work during raid - no charm, no stun, no stifle, rarely mez (I barely remember T6 raiding situation then mezing turns to be more usefull then AE stuning). If I'd have an option respec Ease into either Root or Charm I'll do it next day it be annonced Wow man, wow. Mr. Oh Withering Silence doesn't stifle epics, to the new coercers aren't buff-bots. Wow. Talk to any other coercer and they'll look go, uhm, we don't charm except to solo, when we raid, we're buffers, when we group we're stun/stiflers. Wow, is all I can see, you are sooo intelligent. And quit posting bullcrap about the warlock class as well, mr. smarty, you aren't as intelligent as you think, most people disagree with you because you spew so many lies it's pathetic. __________________ Calaglin, Former Illusionist/Guild Leader of Dissolution on Nektulos Calaglin, Former Illusionist/Guild Leader of Confirmed on Unrest

03-05-2006, 04:27 PM	#15
Raidi Sovin'faile Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,320	uhm, we don't charm except to solo ... when we group we're stun/stiflers I agree with everything else you've said, but I've always used charm in regular groups. What else am I going to do with the extra slots? Give a bit of extra power and resistance and some +DPS? In fights that autoattack will hardly ever be used? I don't know about you, but I don't lose any ability in stunning or stifling having a charmed pet up. Not to mention that stunning and stifling isn't exactly required for most regular group fighting... which leaves us with just our reactives (which don't work well with stuns or stifles), and regular nukes. Nah, I charm a mage or priest pet and add 500 damage (or 300 damage + debuff) dots and 2-3k nukes to my arsenal. Can you honestly say that +DPS on two guys in the group is better than even a single 3k nuke per fight? At +50% DPS, the melee's would have to be doing 6k damage from auto attack alone to cover each of your nukes... that simply ain't happenin. Not to mention that your pet is also casting more than just that, and meleeing on top of it all too. If I can't use charm in a regular group, I feel like I'm running around fighting with one hand tied behind my back. Now go back to disagreeing with everything else he's saying. I agree, we shouldn't get charm as our training... it'd defeat the purpose of having a choice of 4. I mean, who in their right mind would EVER choose anything other than a master 2 Charm? Bwahahaha... Fighters don't get stances... summoners don't get pets... we don't get charms. It's as simple as that. And as a warlock, I recall there were some nice choices at those levels, I could be tempted to choose something other than the AoE. Not only that, if I had a master 1 in my AoE, I'd DEFINATELY choose something else.. whereas even if I had a master 1 in my charm, I'd STILL probably choose master 2, since upgrades mean EVERYTHING for charm. I mean, look at the leap between adept 3 and master 1! Master 2 would probably give us 9k nukes as the regular thing.

03-05-2006, 10:53 PM	#16
Tanatus Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,003	Pinski give me a favor and stop using term "we" please sau "I" - unlike someone .... like you I have been playing coercer since release ... and there are not that many ppl who did the same and as a such created coercer having in mind original design of class (or at least plan that been mentioned by SOE). Dude you playing (or actually may be already not? - my coercer lvl 64 - what lvl you illusionist?) But lets back to old times shall we? Whitering Silence lol it DID stifle epic wayyyyyyy back in time .... then all stifles been changed so many time that the only thing remained constant is fact that they still drain power from epic (very much useless but thats the different story all together) Dude - I have warlock lvl 60 .... you are not so you are the one who have zero clue what warlock and what cannt. I am not paying attention much to warlock class untill up to I finish with my coercer (aka lvl 70 + 50AA) Things I am telling ppl is expirience from first hands so dude if you want spread bull [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] about coercer class or warlock please give everyone a favor MAKE EM and play at least to the lvl 60 then come here and pretend what you a little clue about things you trying to talk here

03-06-2006, 01:07 AM	#17
Nerj Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 254	Have to agree with Tanatus on this. If we are supposed to be these great Mana regen mages why then would they give us a starting AA spell that REQUIRES us to be BELOW 10% in Mana to use? If we are supposed to be Mana pimps change the class name from Coercer to Mana Pimper. The Master choices are obviously for those that want to two box a character. __________________ Lockeye wrote: I've watched coercers who solo higher con heroics using 2 unbreakable roots while keeping 2 separate encounters locked down at the same time (no other class could pull off such a heroic feat). That is called Crowd Control. What Enchanter's are supposed to do.

03-07-2006, 02:37 AM	#18
Tanatus Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,003	Exactly - I made coercer at resease to be an operator of charmed pet with serious array of spells to control it .... And I still remember time then I almost got corpal syndrom on crack that was need to be refreshed every 3 min

03-08-2006, 02:41 AM	#19
Sonorod Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 139	Tanatus wrote: Exactly - I made coercer at resease to be an operator of charmed pet with serious array of spells to control it .... And I still remember time then I almost got corpal syndrom on crack that was need to be refreshed every 3 min I made a coercer at release too and there wasn't a charm at release...we had beguile at like lvl 37 or 38, so what did you do until then? Let me guess, regen, stuns, and stifles and mezzes. Or were you somehow imposing your real willpower upon digital creations? Personally I actually thought it was a tough choice between taking Ease and Marred Psyche. A 1K debuff can make a huge diff in a group, solo, or raid encounter when you realize that we are debuffing all resitances. Would I have taken Domination as M2 were it an option? Maybe. It would have been a lot harder to say no to than that Perilous Gaze crap. Am I happy with my adept 3? Very. By the way, I thought I had see the regen on Ease Master I was 41, can anyone confirm? That would really make my choice of Ease M2 kind of lame. The M2 should carry the same difference as Adept3 and M1 IMO. 7 points is nice, but a master Ease isn't that far out of reach and only the one point diff there would mean I'm using my /respec. And oh yeah, breezing raid forces sucked! even when they increased it to 15 mins! By the time you got done with everyone you'd move 50ft and have to put it up again! Group buff FTW!! __________________

03-08-2006, 05:56 AM	#20
Mandelbro Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 235	Sonorod wrote: And oh yeah, breezing raid forces sucked! even when they increased it to 15 mins! By the time you got done with everyone you'd move 50ft and have to put it up again! Group buff FTW!! Remember the aggro that would generate as well? In a full raid force, no matter who pulled or how, that epic mofo was coming straight for me. It was always a bit of a race to see if the MT would get aggro before I died. :smileyvery-happy: Good times.

03-09-2006, 02:20 AM	#21
Tanatus Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 2,003	Sonorod lol IF you are REALLY had coercer at release then you might remember that coercers were champs of DPS before lvl 37...... I was outdamaging every single class in game at release even w/o charm and was kinda happy with it.... You just fogot time then DoT were stacking WITHIN line... Basically stacking 5 dots in conjuction with 2 roots was working awesome.... Coercers lost grace past lvl 37 then every single class got "primo" skill ..... coercer got too .... but not skill ..... shaft.... But since I was kinda racing to lvl 50 and had consistent group of ppl with whom I group I did not care much about DPS in group we had monk AND zerker (you DO remember prenerfed zerkers right?). Once I hit lvl 50 and start raid on regular base.... I curse playing coercer because of corpal syndrom ...... 15 min duration of crack 24 ppl .... with best connection and fast computer it was around 8 min 23s to crack everyone .... 3-5 min to put your hands into cold water and then risen and repeat GRRRRR..... So I said [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] this and made a golden child of SOE (in that time) .... warlock and been happy ever after .... till LU13 then warlocks got a shaft... Then at LU16 charm was shuddenly fixed and I happens to buy during LU15 M1 Dominate for .... like 70gp? So been happy ever after with coercer again