Random UNCharmable Mobs.

ootpek · 12-21-2005, 08:02 PM

It seems that there are a few seemingly random mobs out there that just won't charm. I can understand Named mobs not being charmable. But regular run of the mill mobs I often get the message that the mob is not charmable. I know some other people are seeing this as well now from another thread so I'd like to start making a list of UNcharmable mobs and even post an idea for a fix. Living Tombs. Gnolls in the front hall are charmable. Gnolls in the Priestess area are NOT. WHy? Not sure which class it is that has a vision buff that gives them different colour aura's around mobs so they can see the archtype of the mob but maybe we could get something like that? Cast "Mind Awareness" buff on myself and I can see a white aura around any mob that has a mind I can charm. That way the sony programmers don't have to fix all the mobs, just program up a nice little vision spell.

Eidolen · 12-21-2005, 08:18 PM

Skeletal Cobras in the Sinking Sands.

Message Edited by Eidolen on 12-21-2005 10:18 AM

Barash · 12-21-2005, 08:18 PM

I believe Erudites get their Aura sight as a race ability. It shows only casters who are either mages or clerics

ootpek · 12-21-2005, 08:42 PM

Yeah...something like that should be easy to program. Use the same code except instead of checking the Mobs class to determine the aura check the "Charmable=0" variable.

Skua · 12-23-2005, 03:50 PM

Wait a MIN!!!!!!are u sure Skeletal cobras in SS are INMUNE TO CHARM? i hope no! , with my main the other day finishing a quest , i passed near them and wonder , when my coercer lvl up i will charm those non stop looks awesome as pet =) .Necro have them as Spell Dot Pet SMILEY

can some1 confirm that plz? ; ;

Toyi · 12-23-2005, 08:08 PM

99,9% certain that the skeletal cobra's cannot be charmed. I too am intersted in a list of non-charm-creatures. My first discovery was a few weeks ago in the Jungle Cove in Feerrott (Quest: The Cleansing of the Cove) I think it was an Awakened mariner, but I am not exactly certain. It has been a while. It may have been one of the other skeletons as well. I do recall however that something with "marine" was in the name.

Skua · 12-23-2005, 08:33 PM

/cry ...i want 1 as pet ; ; is intended? , why can charm skeletons and not skele cobras?

arabprin · 12-23-2005, 10:12 PM

I know a lot if not all NPCs that can see invis are not charmable. The desert tarantulas are a good example. Do the cobras see invis?

ootpek · 12-23-2005, 10:22 PM

I'm somewhat sure that see invis mobs can still be charmed, cept for those random ones you mentioned. I'm going to go a hunting tonight and make a more comprehensive list in SS and PoF anyway and see if there's any pattern.

Tlacl · 12-24-2005, 02:02 PM

Ashland wisps in nektulos are uncharmable too.

Wrapye · 12-26-2005, 07:35 AM

I've sent QA on test server a number of mobs that are uncharmable, but should be. The list was:

Bracken sprites in Zek

Molten Fragments in Lavastorm

Dune and Desert Tarantulas in SS

Bitterwind Pioneers in EF

Skittish Scarabs in SS

The QA responded that in addition to epics and nameds not being charmable, those mobs that are in short supply but are needed to complete a quest are made uncharmable, which explained the Skittish Scarabs. He admitted that the others looked like bugs to him, and that he would pass them along. I'll pass others mentioned in this thread along as well, but be aware of the 'needed for a quest' logic is in there as well. That shouldn't exclude the skeletal cobras. There are plenty of them around.

Yes, the argument that almost every mob in the game is used for one quest or another was made. The key point is that the mob in question only has a small number up at any time. IMO, there aren't enough coercers on any server to threaten the ability of any player from being able to complete a quest requiring non-named mobs.

Message Edited by sacremon on 12-25-2005 09:36 PM

PluvianMi · 12-26-2005, 05:49 PM

It would be nice if SOE would at least change the spell description to mention that there are numerous mobs other than epics that aren't charmable. As it stands it only says epics aren't charmable.

Are there spells for other classes that get this type of "random" exception in the mobs they have no chance to work against?

The was charm is right now I'd just as soon have the ability to get "real" pets is a similar manner as other classes and totally get rid of the charm line of spells.

ootpek · 12-28-2005, 07:33 PM

Ok I can agree in principle to Quest mobs not being charmable. BUT! Can we get some indication of when they aren't? ie: My mind aura sight spell above? Also...what quest needs the gnolls deeper in Living Tombs? I think they should be charmable. Should we just bug report any uncharmable we see unless we know they are in "short supply"? Just frustrating.

Mandelbro · 12-30-2005, 05:20 AM

ootpek, why do you need another spell to tell you if a mob is charmable or not? Charm does that already. Want to find out if a mob is charmable? Try charming it! What a concept.

PluvianMi · 12-30-2005, 09:34 PM

Other uncharmable mobs:

Bull Crocodiles

Croc Hunters

Skeletal Cobras (retested recently)

Shrouded Pulverizers

Trathe · 01-03-2006, 06:14 PM

You might want to test writ quest mobs because these all seem to be writ quest mobs.

Nuhus · 01-03-2006, 07:06 PM

Just a tip, and I've only found a couple like this.... Ice Wolves in EF will still get attacked by the Bitterwind Explorers if you have them charmed and the Caimen (however you spell it) crocs in SS will still get attacked by the Crocodile Hunters while charmed. It's the only situations where I have run into this, but some of the Bitterwind Explorers are heroic. I'm not sure if that is supposed to happen, but it does. :smileyindifferent: And they will attack you after they kill your pet.

Message Edited by Nuhus on 01-03-2006 09:07 AM

Mistletoes · 01-04-2006, 09:40 PM

Aha! That explains it! My coercer was grouped with a warlock in zek, and we were nearly finished killing the lion patriarch, when suddenly we were attacked by a sprite. I was asking what the warlock did to aggro the sprite, and he swore up and down that he did nothing. Now that I think about it, I had an orc for a pet.

I'll bet this is a good general rule to be aware of. If the mob you're charming has a natural tendency to fight with other mobs in the area, expect to be attacked by those mobs, even if they are non-aggro based on their outline.

Good catch.

RaspenJ · 01-04-2006, 11:41 PM

Looks like everything in the heroic arena is un-charmable. The solo arena allows it though.-RJ-Edit: Splitpaw, I mean.

Message Edited by RaspenJho on 01-04-2006 12:42 PM

12-23-2005, 03:50 PM	#5
Skua General Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 660	Wait a MIN!!!!!!are u sure Skeletal cobras in SS are INMUNE TO CHARM? i hope no! , with my main the other day finishing a quest , i passed near them and wonder , when my coercer lvl up i will charm those non stop looks awesome as pet =) .Necro have them as Spell Dot Pet can some1 confirm that plz? ; ; __________________ English isnt my 1 language !!!! My spelling sux i know

12-23-2005, 08:33 PM	#7
Skua General Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 660	/cry ...i want 1 as pet ; ; is intended? , why can charm skeletons and not skele cobras? __________________ English isnt my 1 language !!!! My spelling sux i know

12-23-2005, 10:12 PM	#8
arabprin General Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 29	I know a lot if not all NPCs that can see invis are not charmable. The desert tarantulas are a good example. Do the cobras see invis? __________________ Clickie!

12-26-2005, 07:35 AM	#11
Wrapye Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 912	I've sent QA on test server a number of mobs that are uncharmable, but should be. The list was: Bracken sprites in Zek Molten Fragments in Lavastorm Dune and Desert Tarantulas in SS Bitterwind Pioneers in EF Skittish Scarabs in SS The QA responded that in addition to epics and nameds not being charmable, those mobs that are in short supply but are needed to complete a quest are made uncharmable, which explained the Skittish Scarabs. He admitted that the others looked like bugs to him, and that he would pass them along. I'll pass others mentioned in this thread along as well, but be aware of the 'needed for a quest' logic is in there as well. That shouldn't exclude the skeletal cobras. There are plenty of them around. Yes, the argument that almost every mob in the game is used for one quest or another was made. The key point is that the mob in question only has a small number up at any time. IMO, there aren't enough coercers on any server to threaten the ability of any player from being able to complete a quest requiring non-named mobs. Message Edited by sacremon on 12-25-2005 09:36 PM __________________

01-03-2006, 06:14 PM	#16
Trathe Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 52	You might want to test writ quest mobs because these all seem to be writ quest mobs. __________________ RTM, Trathe Veni, Vidi, Velcro - "I came, I saw, I stuck around"

12-21-2005, 08:02 PM	#1
ootpek Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 144	It seems that there are a few seemingly random mobs out there that just won't charm. I can understand Named mobs not being charmable. But regular run of the mill mobs I often get the message that the mob is not charmable. I know some other people are seeing this as well now from another thread so I'd like to start making a list of UNcharmable mobs and even post an idea for a fix. Living Tombs. Gnolls in the front hall are charmable. Gnolls in the Priestess area are NOT. WHy? Not sure which class it is that has a vision buff that gives them different colour aura's around mobs so they can see the archtype of the mob but maybe we could get something like that? Cast "Mind Awareness" buff on myself and I can see a white aura around any mob that has a mind I can charm. That way the sony programmers don't have to fix all the mobs, just program up a nice little vision spell.

12-21-2005, 08:18 PM	#2
Eidolen Loremaster Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 32	Skeletal Cobras in the Sinking Sands. Message Edited by Eidolen on 12-21-2005 10:18 AM

12-21-2005, 08:18 PM	#3
Barash Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1	I believe Erudites get their Aura sight as a race ability. It shows only casters who are either mages or clerics

12-21-2005, 08:42 PM	#4
ootpek Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 144	Yeah...something like that should be easy to program. Use the same code except instead of checking the Mobs class to determine the aura check the "Charmable=0" variable.

12-23-2005, 08:08 PM	#6
Toyi General Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 32	99,9% certain that the skeletal cobra's cannot be charmed. I too am intersted in a list of non-charm-creatures. My first discovery was a few weeks ago in the Jungle Cove in Feerrott (Quest: The Cleansing of the Cove) I think it was an Awakened mariner, but I am not exactly certain. It has been a while. It may have been one of the other skeletons as well. I do recall however that something with "marine" was in the name.

12-23-2005, 10:22 PM	#9
ootpek Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 144	I'm somewhat sure that see invis mobs can still be charmed, cept for those random ones you mentioned. I'm going to go a hunting tonight and make a more comprehensive list in SS and PoF anyway and see if there's any pattern.

12-24-2005, 02:02 PM	#10
Tlacl Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 15	Ashland wisps in nektulos are uncharmable too.

12-26-2005, 05:49 PM	#12
PluvianMi Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 195	It would be nice if SOE would at least change the spell description to mention that there are numerous mobs other than epics that aren't charmable. As it stands it only says epics aren't charmable. Are there spells for other classes that get this type of "random" exception in the mobs they have no chance to work against? The was charm is right now I'd just as soon have the ability to get "real" pets is a similar manner as other classes and totally get rid of the charm line of spells.

12-28-2005, 07:33 PM	#13
ootpek Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 144	Ok I can agree in principle to Quest mobs not being charmable. BUT! Can we get some indication of when they aren't? ie: My mind aura sight spell above? Also...what quest needs the gnolls deeper in Living Tombs? I think they should be charmable. Should we just bug report any uncharmable we see unless we know they are in "short supply"? Just frustrating.

12-30-2005, 05:20 AM	#14
Mandelbro Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 235	ootpek, why do you need another spell to tell you if a mob is charmable or not? Charm does that already. Want to find out if a mob is charmable? Try charming it! What a concept.

12-30-2005, 09:34 PM	#15
PluvianMi Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 195	Other uncharmable mobs: Bull Crocodiles Croc Hunters Skeletal Cobras (retested recently) Shrouded Pulverizers

01-03-2006, 07:06 PM	#17
Nuhus Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,480	Just a tip, and I've only found a couple like this.... Ice Wolves in EF will still get attacked by the Bitterwind Explorers if you have them charmed and the Caimen (however you spell it) crocs in SS will still get attacked by the Crocodile Hunters while charmed. It's the only situations where I have run into this, but some of the Bitterwind Explorers are heroic. I'm not sure if that is supposed to happen, but it does. :smileyindifferent: And they will attack you after they kill your pet. Message Edited by Nuhus on 01-03-2006 09:07 AM __________________ SOE will kill off EQ2 before it would naturally die.. 11/10/2004-9/19/2010 - for me

01-04-2006, 09:40 PM	#18
Mistletoes Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 128	Aha! That explains it! My coercer was grouped with a warlock in zek, and we were nearly finished killing the lion patriarch, when suddenly we were attacked by a sprite. I was asking what the warlock did to aggro the sprite, and he swore up and down that he did nothing. Now that I think about it, I had an orc for a pet. I'll bet this is a good general rule to be aware of. If the mob you're charming has a natural tendency to fight with other mobs in the area, expect to be attacked by those mobs, even if they are non-aggro based on their outline. Good catch.

01-04-2006, 11:41 PM	#19
RaspenJ Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 38	Looks like everything in the heroic arena is un-charmable. The solo arena allows it though.-RJ-Edit: Splitpaw, I mean. Message Edited by RaspenJho on 01-04-2006 12:42 PM