New changes, all I can say is YAY!! - Page 2

KaynanEmberwood · 09-07-2005, 12:45 AM

MillsFairchild wrote:
I don't blame you for writing about the dmg/power change, Kaisa. You're a tester, that's your job. But the way you made it sound (to me, at least) was that the damage on Pschotic Spectrum needed to come down instead of everything else going up. I'm not in any way laying blame here. I just want to clarify why I was getting so upset everytime you posted about the spell. I now realize what you were trying to say - boost the rest. When I assumed you meant nerf Psychotic Spectrum.

Yea, I suppose I should have mentioned in those posts how I felt out our single target nukes. I've been calling for, at the very least, doubling of their damage across the board since I started playing on beta. I still don't see how us nuking for 600-800 is in anyway overpowering.

Parsleybi · 09-07-2005, 01:09 AM

Sorry, all I can say is Nay :smileysad:

Throught my levelling, I have to admit that as much as I love casting mezz, if I was honest, most times it was probably unnecessary. In fact, once the tanks I have grouped with managed to get their ebon armour, they would often send me messages telling me not to mezz, yes, even in groups of several heroics (in Permafrost and CT) as people were using aoe spells and that the incomming damage was not a problem.

A minor adjustment to how mezzes are now in live and boosting dps/soloing capability is what I always wanted for the class changes, not a boost to CC that we didn't reallly need. The nerf to psychotic spectrum has to be the most disappointing thing I have read in the rollercoaster of Illusionist changes, since that spell alone would have more than doubled our current dps. I too thought that reading this Dev post:

Damage spell inconsistency - Examining the inconsistent amounts in regards to single-target damage spells versus AoE damage spells.

would mean that our nukes would be raised in effectiveness not the other way round. I'm not a hardcore player, and i recently upgraded Psychotic Spectrum to Adept 3 in anticipation. Looking at it now, it is barely more effective than my live level 30 training spell Esdia's Chromatic Clash!!!

Unfortunately, it seems that at this late stage, the Devs are playing the popularity game, making U-turns all over the place based on opinion. I just wish people would have listened to Count Drakenkorin and other players on beta about the advantages that the boost in DPS gave.

The list of mezzes we have now is plain overkill. With the lengthy duration of the AOE mezz (and no self-mezzing) and shorter recast of single mezzes, we could have carried out CC aptly with just the one mezz (which our Coercer brethren are rightly sniggering about on their boards :smileywink SMILEY .

Now that the enchanter sub-classes are being further differentiated into a mezz-specialist and a power regen specialist, I can guess which will become the more desired class. I'm hoping Spellshield lives up to its expectations to help us out in group/raid desirability.

I would be grateful if Count Drakenkorin or another Beta tester could post an updated DPS estimate since the last numbers being estimated were 300-350dps. I would imagine that we are now around the 200dps mark if we are lucky.

Anu'hu · 09-07-2005, 03:17 AM

Heh, I wish people would listen to the beta testers also like Kaisa and Count Drakenkoria. Im still having problems wrapping my mind around the changes they have put it, its mind boggling. Oh well, I guess i'll have to get used to it since the expansion drops the 13th, not. Oh and Kaisa I'm not mad at you, I know you meant well:smileyhappy:, leave it to the Devs to take a simple statement about the DPS of our single target nukes not being inline with our AoEs, and totally screwing it up. If either you (meaning Kaisa) or Count Drakenkoria have time to do some DPS numbers the way things are now, that would be very helpful to see where we stand as a whole:smileytongue:. Thanks!

Zimm Dreamweaver - 50 illusionist of Atonia Bayle

Halcyon Affinity

ToeP · 09-07-2005, 03:25 AM

Well mes is critical to small group gameplay so I'm very heartened to see them restored to their previous glory.

Now just need to put group invis back to something that resembles it's former self...

Toepeg

50 Illisionist of Oggok

KaynanEmberwood · 09-07-2005, 03:26 AM

I don't do any parses, but I'm gonna take some more screenshots of our damage spells with the recent changes and post them tonight.

Whether or not that will tell you anything, I dunno SMILEY

SunT · 09-07-2005, 04:50 AM

KaynanEmberwood wrote:

I don't do any parses, but I'm gonna take some more screenshots of our damage spells with the recent changes and post them tonight.

Whether or not that will tell you anything, I dunno

Thanks so much Kaisa. Without you and a select few others, we would be sitting in the dark. the entire community owes you its gratitude.

Ly · 09-07-2005, 10:35 AM

You'll have to wait for Kaisa to see the full affect of INT on our damage spells... but here they are for now. These are as of right now SMILEY ((This should also give us a comparison point to use when looking at INT affect after Kaisa posts hers))

Message Edited by Lynx on 09-06-2005 11:36 PM

zit · 09-07-2005, 11:32 AM

which would mean atm upgrading from app 1 to adept 1 will increase damage by ~ 37%.

upgrading from 46 INT to 341 INT will increase by another ~34%.

or with other words: a spell cast at adept 1 and 341 INT will do roughly 83% more damage than a spell cast at apprentice 1 and only 46 INT.

so if examine a spell at apprentice 1 and low INT that shows 100 damage, when upgrade would do 180 damage.

if upgrade to adept 3 or master and according INT would more than double the damage.

our main nuke Scorching Beam with upgrade to adept 1 and good INT is going to do 250-340 damage for 60 power.

Psychotic Spectrum now will do 75-93 x4 = 300-372 per target for 140 power.

summary: our AE got brought in line with our single nuke. its doing about same damage for higher power cost, so it no longer is more power efficient to use our AE on single target.

could also just say: both sux now ....which was obvious anyways. :smileytongue:

zit · 09-07-2005, 12:54 PM

edited: moved to new thread as was hard to read (endless lines cause of pics above).

Message Edited by zitha on 09-07-2005 02:01 AM

evil_drag · 09-07-2005, 11:00 PM

Mez sems good :smileyhappy:., now we have to ask for best insight., is low yet :smileyindifferent:

Neverborn · 09-08-2005, 11:49 AM

Ya well... they took away our epic mez... i expected as much...

mio · 09-12-2005, 01:06 PM

One week ago we were happy. Now, Oblivion opens his arms to receive us among is true kind.

09-07-2005, 12:45 AM	#31
KaynanEmberwood Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 198	MillsFairchild wrote: I don't blame you for writing about the dmg/power change, Kaisa. You're a tester, that's your job. But the way you made it sound (to me, at least) was that the damage on Pschotic Spectrum needed to come down instead of everything else going up. I'm not in any way laying blame here. I just want to clarify why I was getting so upset everytime you posted about the spell. I now realize what you were trying to say - boost the rest. When I assumed you meant nerf Psychotic Spectrum. Yea, I suppose I should have mentioned in those posts how I felt out our single target nukes. I've been calling for, at the very least, doubling of their damage across the board since I started playing on beta. I still don't see how us nuking for 600-800 is in anyway overpowering. __________________ Kaisa 53rd Illusionist of Antonia Bayle

09-07-2005, 01:09 AM	#32
Parsleybi Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 17	Sorry, all I can say is Nay :smileysad: Throught my levelling, I have to admit that as much as I love casting mezz, if I was honest, most times it was probably unnecessary. In fact, once the tanks I have grouped with managed to get their ebon armour, they would often send me messages telling me not to mezz, yes, even in groups of several heroics (in Permafrost and CT) as people were using aoe spells and that the incomming damage was not a problem. A minor adjustment to how mezzes are now in live and boosting dps/soloing capability is what I always wanted for the class changes, not a boost to CC that we didn't reallly need. The nerf to psychotic spectrum has to be the most disappointing thing I have read in the rollercoaster of Illusionist changes, since that spell alone would have more than doubled our current dps. I too thought that reading this Dev post: Damage spell inconsistency - Examining the inconsistent amounts in regards to single-target damage spells versus AoE damage spells. would mean that our nukes would be raised in effectiveness not the other way round. I'm not a hardcore player, and i recently upgraded Psychotic Spectrum to Adept 3 in anticipation. Looking at it now, it is barely more effective than my live level 30 training spell Esdia's Chromatic Clash!!! Unfortunately, it seems that at this late stage, the Devs are playing the popularity game, making U-turns all over the place based on opinion. I just wish people would have listened to Count Drakenkorin and other players on beta about the advantages that the boost in DPS gave. The list of mezzes we have now is plain overkill. With the lengthy duration of the AOE mezz (and no self-mezzing) and shorter recast of single mezzes, we could have carried out CC aptly with just the one mezz (which our Coercer brethren are rightly sniggering about on their boards :smileywink. Now that the enchanter sub-classes are being further differentiated into a mezz-specialist and a power regen specialist, I can guess which will become the more desired class. I'm hoping Spellshield lives up to its expectations to help us out in group/raid desirability. I would be grateful if Count Drakenkorin or another Beta tester could post an updated DPS estimate since the last numbers being estimated were 300-350dps. I would imagine that we are now around the 200dps mark if we are lucky.

09-07-2005, 03:26 AM	#35
KaynanEmberwood Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 198	I don't do any parses, but I'm gonna take some more screenshots of our damage spells with the recent changes and post them tonight. Whether or not that will tell you anything, I dunno __________________ Kaisa 53rd Illusionist of Antonia Bayle

09-07-2005, 04:50 AM	#36
SunT Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 821	KaynanEmberwood wrote: I don't do any parses, but I'm gonna take some more screenshots of our damage spells with the recent changes and post them tonight. Whether or not that will tell you anything, I dunno Thanks so much Kaisa. Without you and a select few others, we would be sitting in the dark. the entire community owes you its gratitude. __________________ Retired Roamin Nome, 70 Illusionist/60Jeweler Crack Bot, Nektulos Argyll, 60 Paladin / Heresy, 62 Defiler

09-07-2005, 10:35 AM	#37
Ly Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 41	You'll have to wait for Kaisa to see the full affect of INT on our damage spells... but here they are for now. These are as of right now ((This should also give us a comparison point to use when looking at INT affect after Kaisa posts hers)) Message Edited by Lynx on 09-06-2005 11:36 PM __________________ _________________________________ Rune Stormwynd Keep Qeynos, Steamfont Server (Eaten up by Oasis) Visit us at http://www.stormwynd.com !!

09-07-2005, 03:17 AM	#33
Anu'hu Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 32	Heh, I wish people would listen to the beta testers also like Kaisa and Count Drakenkoria. Im still having problems wrapping my mind around the changes they have put it, its mind boggling. Oh well, I guess i'll have to get used to it since the expansion drops the 13th, not. Oh and Kaisa I'm not mad at you, I know you meant well:smileyhappy:, leave it to the Devs to take a simple statement about the DPS of our single target nukes not being inline with our AoEs, and totally screwing it up. If either you (meaning Kaisa) or Count Drakenkoria have time to do some DPS numbers the way things are now, that would be very helpful to see where we stand as a whole:smileytongue:. Thanks! Zimm Dreamweaver - 50 illusionist of Atonia Bayle Halcyon Affinity

09-07-2005, 03:25 AM	#34
ToeP Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 27	Well mes is critical to small group gameplay so I'm very heartened to see them restored to their previous glory. Now just need to put group invis back to something that resembles it's former self... Toepeg 50 Illisionist of Oggok

09-07-2005, 11:32 AM	#38
zit General Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 573	which would mean atm upgrading from app 1 to adept 1 will increase damage by ~ 37%. upgrading from 46 INT to 341 INT will increase by another ~34%. or with other words: a spell cast at adept 1 and 341 INT will do roughly 83% more damage than a spell cast at apprentice 1 and only 46 INT. so if examine a spell at apprentice 1 and low INT that shows 100 damage, when upgrade would do 180 damage. if upgrade to adept 3 or master and according INT would more than double the damage. our main nuke Scorching Beam with upgrade to adept 1 and good INT is going to do 250-340 damage for 60 power. Psychotic Spectrum now will do 75-93 x4 = 300-372 per target for 140 power. summary: our AE got brought in line with our single nuke. its doing about same damage for higher power cost, so it no longer is more power efficient to use our AE on single target. could also just say: both sux now ....which was obvious anyways. :smileytongue:

09-07-2005, 12:54 PM	#39
zit General Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 573	edited: moved to new thread as was hard to read (endless lines cause of pics above). Message Edited by zitha on 09-07-2005 02:01 AM

09-07-2005, 11:00 PM	#40
evil_drag Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 98	Mez sems good :smileyhappy:., now we have to ask for best insight., is low yet :smileyindifferent: __________________

09-08-2005, 11:49 AM	#41
Neverborn General Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 117	Ya well... they took away our epic mez... i expected as much...

09-12-2005, 01:06 PM	#42
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