Attn. Devs; Deter, soul flay need fixing

tyessak · 02-23-2005, 01:23 AM

what kind of a sick joke is this?

1/ flashfreeze gets upgraded with a 1sec casttime stun... while its upgrade DETER a lvl 40 some stun wasnt?

2/ noxious bolt another lvl 20somthing spell gets its dmg tripled etc... while its upgrade SOUL FLAY a lvl 40 something nuke only hits for around 200dmg? how can a lvl 20 nuke same line hit for like 4times the level 40 version that is just bad gamedevelopment. tho i got the lvl 40 bolt trait spell in place of noxious bolt.. get a clue and fix minor things like this

im sure all u warlocks know this problem and arent to upset by it since we actually got alot of help this go round but i figure if i keep bringing it up they may fix it or change them somehow more to our liking like devastation or somthin.. plus it would be nice to actually use non lvl 20 spells on lvl 50++ mobs.

since it is their vision to only use armor that cons around our level for benefits.. should be same type of thinking with spells..

dont get me wrong having 4 hotkey row bars full up is fun and all.. but not alot of view space on a laptop hehe

WaachBack · 02-23-2005, 01:26 AM

I would have to agree. I will not even use a "stun" that would take 4 seconds to cast. Please fix.

Quas · 02-23-2005, 08:52 AM

It appears those two spells were overlooked in the revision. And BTW Noxious Bolt is L30. SMILEY

Dae · 02-23-2005, 02:00 PM

Nullification also takes 4 seconds to cast. This could do with being the same as Tongue Twist.

fed · 02-23-2005, 07:43 PM

This was posted in the spell forum before the patch, but wasn't fixed. Why am I not surprised though?edit: I spel guud

Message Edited by feday on 02-23-2005 03:43 PM

Moraeulfthebla · 02-26-2005, 11:44 AM

Yes, please improve Soul Flay and lower the cast time on Deter to reflect the changes to noxious bolt and flashfreeze. Soul Flay is current a entirely useless spell. Entirely.Furthermore, Torment of Shadows still does not do the aforementioned 3x dd damage that it is supposed to do. it only does about 100dmg dd and it should do 300ish dd. And dark nebula doesnt do 3x damage either like its supposed to. it only does about 130dmg and it should do almost 500.

Splatterpunk28 · 02-27-2005, 12:33 AM

tyessak47 wrote:

what kind of a sick joke is this?

1/ flashfreeze gets upgraded with a 1sec casttime stun... while its upgrade DETER a lvl 40 some stun wasnt?

2/ noxious bolt another lvl 20somthing spell gets its dmg tripled etc... while its upgrade SOUL FLAY a lvl 40 something nuke only hits for around 200dmg? how can a lvl 20 nuke same line hit for like 4times the level 40 version that is just bad gamedevelopment. tho i got the lvl 40 bolt trait spell in place of noxious bolt.. get a clue and fix minor things like this

How about we get some specifics via spell description on both Noxious Bolt vs Soul Flay and Flashfreeze vs Deter. It should be pretty obvious by the spell description alone that there's an issue:

Flashfreeze Adept I (level 29 spell)

Power: 88

Cast time: 1.0sec

Recovery time: 0.5sec

Duration: 3.8sec

Recast time: 45.0sec

-Stun Target

-Inflicts 305dmg to target

I would post other spell info, but I either don't have the spell or the spell isn't mastered yet (con white or less), so the numbers aren't final. If anyone can post the spell info for Soul Flay, Noxious Bolt, and Deter (mastered only plz), we can see how badly these 2traits need updating.

Kaz · 02-27-2005, 02:33 AM

lvl 50 warlock hereSoul Flay adept 3: (lvl 43.6)Power 103Cast time 2.0 secondsRecovery time 0.5 secondsDuration 0.5 secondsRecast 2.0 seconds*Inflict 232-314 damage on target*###ERROR SMILEY

OSSIBLE SPELL RECURSION###Noxious Bolt App3: (lvl 30.6)Power 76Cast time 2.0 secondsRecovery time 0.5 secondsDuration 0.5 secondsRecast time 6.5 seconds*Inflict 469-635 damage on target*###ERROR SMILEY

OSSIBLE SPELL RECURSION###Heneva's Viral Blast: (LVL 40)Power 101Cast time 2.0 secondsRecover time 0.5 secondsDuration 1.0 secondsRecast time 6.5 seconds*Inflict 642-868 damage on target*###ERROR SMILEY

OSSIBLE SPELL RECURSION###Note that I put the spells in order of damage done while they are all in the same spell line. Both of the lower level spells in this family do more damage by a very large margin even when comparing app3 to adept3 of the highest level spell.Deter: Adept I (lvl 44)Power 152Casting time 4.0 secondsRecovery time 0.5 secondsDuration 8.0 secondsRecast time 45.0 seconds*Inflicts 245-299 damage on target*Stun target

Splatterpunk28 · 02-27-2005, 03:15 AM

Mastered spell skills for comparison:

Flashfreeze: Adept I (lvl 29) vs Deter: Adept I (lvl 44)
Power 88 vs 152
Casting time 1.0 vs 4.0 seconds
Recovery time 0.5 seconds
Duration 3.8 vs 8.0 seconds
Recast time 45.0 seconds
*Inflicts 305 vs 245-299 damage on target
*Stun target

Flashfreeze recently had it's casting time reduced to 1sec and it's dmg tripled, shouldn't Deter get that same update?

Noxious Bolt App3: (lvl 30.6) vs Heneva's Viral Blast Adept II (40training) vs Soul Flay Adept III (43.6)
Power 76 vs 101 vs 103
Cast time 2.0 seconds
Recovery time 0.5 seconds
Duration 0.5 vs 1.0 vs 0.5 seconds
Recast time 6.5 vs 6.5 vs 2.0 seconds
*Inflict 469-635 vs 642-868 vs 232-314 damage on target

They need to update Soul Flay like they did noxious bolt (triple it's damage and make the recast 6.5seconds.)

No more line items for description on the HVB training? It's supposed to have a chance to interrupt and deal additional instant damage...?

Message Edited by Splatterpunk28 on 02-26-2005 02:48 PM

Kaz · 02-27-2005, 04:23 AM

The only reason I know that Heneva's does do additional damage occasionally is because I have noticed "Viral Blast" on my parse logs. I'll dig up some numbers from the damage it's done on a 10 minute single mob raid encounter if you want an idea on how often it goes off and for how much.

Message Edited by Kaziq on 02-26-2005 03:25 PM

Frozen · 02-27-2005, 04:17 PM

Isn't Dark Pyre a bit too weak for its level?

tyessak · 02-28-2005, 01:47 AM

YES

Raxe Sla · 03-02-2005, 04:45 PM

I agree, whats the deal...

fed · 03-02-2005, 06:47 PM

Raxe Slade wrote:
I agree, whats the deal...

The deal is they only fix stuff they got 1k posts about.

Solan Swiftfist · 03-02-2005, 08:13 PM

I can't believe they ignored upgrade spells. I could care less about other spells that should of been changed because we did get a nice upgrade, but Deter and Sou Flay which is in the same line of upgraded spells is just lazy.

02-23-2005, 01:23 AM	#1
tyessak Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 24	what kind of a sick joke is this? 1/ flashfreeze gets upgraded with a 1sec casttime stun... while its upgrade DETER a lvl 40 some stun wasnt? 2/ noxious bolt another lvl 20somthing spell gets its dmg tripled etc... while its upgrade SOUL FLAY a lvl 40 something nuke only hits for around 200dmg? how can a lvl 20 nuke same line hit for like 4times the level 40 version that is just bad gamedevelopment. tho i got the lvl 40 bolt trait spell in place of noxious bolt.. get a clue and fix minor things like this im sure all u warlocks know this problem and arent to upset by it since we actually got alot of help this go round but i figure if i keep bringing it up they may fix it or change them somehow more to our liking like devastation or somthin.. plus it would be nice to actually use non lvl 20 spells on lvl 50++ mobs. since it is their vision to only use armor that cons around our level for benefits.. should be same type of thinking with spells.. dont get me wrong having 4 hotkey row bars full up is fun and all.. but not alot of view space on a laptop hehe __________________ Filthed I reserve the right to filthed u or this message if i so choose the order of which is of no consequence

02-23-2005, 01:26 AM	#2
WaachBack Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 228	I would have to agree. I will not even use a "stun" that would take 4 seconds to cast. Please fix. __________________

02-23-2005, 02:00 PM	#4
Dae Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 330	Nullification also takes 4 seconds to cast. This could do with being the same as Tongue Twist. __________________ Wormwood Hex - Ratonga! - [Warlock (50) / Tailor (50)] Ponk Fury - Ratonga! - [Berserker (not 50)] D Khar - Splitpaw Server

02-23-2005, 07:43 PM	#5
fed Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 83	This was posted in the spell forum before the patch, but wasn't fixed. Why am I not surprised though?edit: I spel guud Message Edited by feday on 02-23-2005 03:43 PM __________________

02-26-2005, 11:44 AM	#6
Moraeulfthebla Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 30	Yes, please improve Soul Flay and lower the cast time on Deter to reflect the changes to noxious bolt and flashfreeze. Soul Flay is current a entirely useless spell. Entirely.Furthermore, Torment of Shadows still does not do the aforementioned 3x dd damage that it is supposed to do. it only does about 100dmg dd and it should do 300ish dd. And dark nebula doesnt do 3x damage either like its supposed to. it only does about 130dmg and it should do almost 500. __________________ == Moraeulf Dhyr'Khan == 50th Warlock of Malus Dei Najena server

02-23-2005, 08:52 AM	#3
Quas Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 63	It appears those two spells were overlooked in the revision. And BTW Noxious Bolt is L30.

02-27-2005, 12:33 AM	#7
Splatterpunk28 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 447	tyessak47 wrote: what kind of a sick joke is this? 1/ flashfreeze gets upgraded with a 1sec casttime stun... while its upgrade DETER a lvl 40 some stun wasnt? 2/ noxious bolt another lvl 20somthing spell gets its dmg tripled etc... while its upgrade SOUL FLAY a lvl 40 something nuke only hits for around 200dmg? how can a lvl 20 nuke same line hit for like 4times the level 40 version that is just bad gamedevelopment. tho i got the lvl 40 bolt trait spell in place of noxious bolt.. get a clue and fix minor things like this How about we get some specifics via spell description on both Noxious Bolt vs Soul Flay and Flashfreeze vs Deter. It should be pretty obvious by the spell description alone that there's an issue: Flashfreeze Adept I (level 29 spell) Power: 88 Cast time: 1.0sec Recovery time: 0.5sec Duration: 3.8sec Recast time: 45.0sec -Stun Target -Inflicts 305dmg to target I would post other spell info, but I either don't have the spell or the spell isn't mastered yet (con white or less), so the numbers aren't final. If anyone can post the spell info for Soul Flay, Noxious Bolt, and Deter (mastered only plz), we can see how badly these 2traits need updating.

02-27-2005, 02:33 AM	#8
Kaz Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 70	lvl 50 warlock hereSoul Flay adept 3: (lvl 43.6)Power 103Cast time 2.0 secondsRecovery time 0.5 secondsDuration 0.5 secondsRecast 2.0 secondsInflict 232-314 damage on target###ERROROSSIBLE SPELL RECURSION###Noxious Bolt App3: (lvl 30.6)Power 76Cast time 2.0 secondsRecovery time 0.5 secondsDuration 0.5 secondsRecast time 6.5 secondsInflict 469-635 damage on target###ERROROSSIBLE SPELL RECURSION###Heneva's Viral Blast: (LVL 40)Power 101Cast time 2.0 secondsRecover time 0.5 secondsDuration 1.0 secondsRecast time 6.5 secondsInflict 642-868 damage on target###ERROROSSIBLE SPELL RECURSION###Note that I put the spells in order of damage done while they are all in the same spell line. Both of the lower level spells in this family do more damage by a very large margin even when comparing app3 to adept3 of the highest level spell.Deter: Adept I (lvl 44)Power 152Casting time 4.0 secondsRecovery time 0.5 secondsDuration 8.0 secondsRecast time 45.0 secondsInflicts 245-299 damage on targetStun target

02-27-2005, 03:15 AM	#9
Splatterpunk28 Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 447	Mastered spell skills for comparison: Flashfreeze: Adept I (lvl 29) vs Deter: Adept I (lvl 44) Power 88 vs 152 Casting time 1.0 vs 4.0 seconds Recovery time 0.5 seconds Duration 3.8 vs 8.0 seconds Recast time 45.0 seconds Inflicts 305 vs 245-299 damage on target Stun target Flashfreeze recently had it's casting time reduced to 1sec and it's dmg tripled, shouldn't Deter get that same update? Noxious Bolt App3: (lvl 30.6) vs Heneva's Viral Blast Adept II (40training) vs Soul Flay Adept III (43.6) Power 76 vs 101 vs 103 Cast time 2.0 seconds Recovery time 0.5 seconds Duration 0.5 vs 1.0 vs 0.5 seconds Recast time 6.5 vs 6.5 vs 2.0 seconds *Inflict 469-635 vs 642-868 vs 232-314 damage on target They need to update Soul Flay like they did noxious bolt (triple it's damage and make the recast 6.5seconds.) No more line items for description on the HVB training? It's supposed to have a chance to interrupt and deal additional instant damage...? Message Edited by Splatterpunk28 on 02-26-2005 02:48 PM

02-27-2005, 04:23 AM	#10
Kaz Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 70	The only reason I know that Heneva's does do additional damage occasionally is because I have noticed "Viral Blast" on my parse logs. I'll dig up some numbers from the damage it's done on a 10 minute single mob raid encounter if you want an idea on how often it goes off and for how much. Message Edited by Kaziq on 02-26-2005 03:25 PM

02-27-2005, 04:17 PM	#11
Frozen Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 49	Isn't Dark Pyre a bit too weak for its level?

02-28-2005, 01:47 AM	#12
tyessak Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 24	YES __________________ Filthed I reserve the right to filthed u or this message if i so choose the order of which is of no consequence

03-02-2005, 04:45 PM	#13
Raxe Sla Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 58	I agree, whats the deal...

03-02-2005, 06:47 PM	#14
fed Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 83	Raxe Slade wrote: I agree, whats the deal... The deal is they only fix stuff they got 1k posts about. __________________

03-02-2005, 08:13 PM	#15
Solan Swiftfist Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 46	I can't believe they ignored upgrade spells. I could care less about other spells that should of been changed because we did get a nice upgrade, but Deter and Sou Flay which is in the same line of upgraded spells is just lazy.