freezing whorl and steal breath are no longer stacking!!?

TheKra · 12-21-2004, 05:33 AM

Ever since the recent downtime on Friday the two dot spells Freezing Whorl and Steal Breath are no longer stacking. You can cast Incinerate and Freezing Whorl or Incinerate and Steal Breath but not Freezing Whorl and Steal Breath together or all 3 together anymore. The icon shows up in the maintained spell box but there is no damage being reported in chat text. This has to be a bug because it would be completely ridiculous if it was intended. The 2 spells are not of the same type of elemental damage or offer the same debuffs so they should be able to stack fine and have been stacking fine up until Saturday. I have tried it out on several different mobs that it worked fine on before the downtime and it has nothing to do with resists or anything like that. SOE please look into this as soon as possible. thanks

Xander

33 Warlock

Kithicor

Loath · 12-21-2004, 07:34 PM

yeap, posted on this. Definitely messed up.

Naren · 12-21-2004, 08:11 PM

stacking fine for me SMILEY

Arsen · 12-21-2004, 08:58 PM

It seemed like there were stacking last night for me. I'll double check to make sure though.

Solan Swiftfist · 12-21-2004, 08:58 PM

Narenek, I bet it isn't stacking. Both icons show up but ONLY one damage will show. I talked several Warlocks about this last night and it all happend to them so you can't be the only one working.

Message Edited by Solan Swiftfist on 12-21-2004 07:59 AM

WabbitHunt · 12-21-2004, 11:16 PM

No, they don't stack. I got Steel breath last night and added it as my third dot. Whorl, Incinerate, and then SB. As the ticks go by from round 2 (because round 1, sure each spell will hit) and on, only Incinerate and SB tick. Whorl has been overwritten.

Sucks...But hey, brite side -> SB does 50+ a tick. /drool

Arsen · 12-21-2004, 11:30 PM

http://eq2.stratics.com Is reporting that they are aware of the DOT issue and are working on a fix for it, but that it will be a while yet. I looked through Moorgard's post here though, but couldn't find where he made it.

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Yes, we know about the stacking issues with DoTs and such. It is on the list to be fixed, and it won't take years to happen. But it does require a code change, which takes more time to address than designer data.

You have to understand that our team worked totally insane hours up to the launch of the game, and no department put in more hours per capita than the coders. As such we've been giving extra time off to the members of our team, so our staff is somewhat light right now. This is why we are fixing things on the basis of either being critical (breaks the game) or trivial (extremely low risk of hurting anything).

The DoT issue, while very important to a certain percentage of the population, doesn't completely break the game. At the same time, it requires a change that would touch enough other systems to be something we don't want to rush. Thus it falls into the middle ground of being something we really want to fix but don't want to risk breaking the game over it.

Once everyone is back after the holidays we'll be addressing all kinds of issues like this one.
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Moorgard
EverQuest II Community Guy

WabbitHunt · 12-22-2004, 01:21 AM

Good find. I can live with Moorgard's answer for the time being.

Jacmac · 12-22-2004, 02:25 AM

Arsenal wrote:

Yes, we know about the stacking issues with DoTs and such. It is on the list to be fixed, and it won't take years to happen. But it does require a code change, which takes more time to address than designer data.

You have to understand that our team worked totally insane hours up to the launch of the game, and no department put in more hours per capita than the coders. As such we've been giving extra time off to the members of our team, so our staff is somewhat light right now. This is why we are fixing things on the basis of either being critical (breaks the game) or trivial (extremely low risk of hurting anything).

The DoT issue, while very important to a certain percentage of the population, doesn't completely break the game. At the same time, it requires a change that would touch enough other systems to be something we don't want to rush. Thus it falls into the middle ground of being something we really want to fix but don't want to risk breaking the game over it.

Once everyone is back after the holidays we'll be addressing all kinds of issues like this one.
===========================
Moorgard
EverQuest II Community Guy

This cracks me up! I agree with him about the priorities and such, but the line about we (the customers) have to understand that SOE over-worked it's developer staff to rush the game out ahead of WoW, is just priceless.

Arsen · 12-22-2004, 02:38 AM

Jacmac wrote:

This cracks me up! I agree with him about the priorities and such, but the line about we (the customers) have to understand that SOE over-worked it's developer staff to rush the game out ahead of WoW, is just priceless.

Exactly... I understand the problem, but I also understand that I still pay the same monthly amount to play my Warlock as do other classes that are functioning better SMILEY

Its not a huge deal, but still a pain. Also since some of the DoTs are actually stacking while others aren't, you know that there is some configuration out there that allows for it.

Naren · 12-22-2004, 05:58 PM

yeah i noticed last night, icons are stacking but the damage isnt. The debuff part still appears to be working though as i tend to get higher nukes with it on than off.. might be why the icon still appears

12-21-2004, 08:58 PM	#4
Arsen Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 158	It seemed like there were stacking last night for me. I'll double check to make sure though. __________________ Let's keep the discussion out of the realm of the absurd. - SOELegal

12-21-2004, 11:30 PM	#7
Arsen Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 158	http://eq2.stratics.com Is reporting that they are aware of the DOT issue and are working on a fix for it, but that it will be a while yet. I looked through Moorgard's post here though, but couldn't find where he made it. ------------- Yes, we know about the stacking issues with DoTs and such. It is on the list to be fixed, and it won't take years to happen. But it does require a code change, which takes more time to address than designer data. You have to understand that our team worked totally insane hours up to the launch of the game, and no department put in more hours per capita than the coders. As such we've been giving extra time off to the members of our team, so our staff is somewhat light right now. This is why we are fixing things on the basis of either being critical (breaks the game) or trivial (extremely low risk of hurting anything). The DoT issue, while very important to a certain percentage of the population, doesn't completely break the game. At the same time, it requires a change that would touch enough other systems to be something we don't want to rush. Thus it falls into the middle ground of being something we really want to fix but don't want to risk breaking the game over it. Once everyone is back after the holidays we'll be addressing all kinds of issues like this one. =========================== Moorgard EverQuest II Community Guy __________________ Let's keep the discussion out of the realm of the absurd. - SOELegal

12-22-2004, 02:25 AM	#9
Jacmac Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 39	Arsenal wrote: Yes, we know about the stacking issues with DoTs and such. It is on the list to be fixed, and it won't take years to happen. But it does require a code change, which takes more time to address than designer data. You have to understand that our team worked totally insane hours up to the launch of the game, and no department put in more hours per capita than the coders. As such we've been giving extra time off to the members of our team, so our staff is somewhat light right now. This is why we are fixing things on the basis of either being critical (breaks the game) or trivial (extremely low risk of hurting anything). The DoT issue, while very important to a certain percentage of the population, doesn't completely break the game. At the same time, it requires a change that would touch enough other systems to be something we don't want to rush. Thus it falls into the middle ground of being something we really want to fix but don't want to risk breaking the game over it. Once everyone is back after the holidays we'll be addressing all kinds of issues like this one. =========================== Moorgard EverQuest II Community Guy This cracks me up! I agree with him about the priorities and such, but the line about we (the customers) have to understand that SOE over-worked it's developer staff to rush the game out ahead of WoW, is just priceless. __________________

12-22-2004, 02:38 AM	#10
Arsen Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 158	Jacmac wrote: This cracks me up! I agree with him about the priorities and such, but the line about we (the customers) have to understand that SOE over-worked it's developer staff to rush the game out ahead of WoW, is just priceless. Exactly... I understand the problem, but I also understand that I still pay the same monthly amount to play my Warlock as do other classes that are functioning better Its not a huge deal, but still a pain. Also since some of the DoTs are actually stacking while others aren't, you know that there is some configuration out there that allows for it. __________________ Let's keep the discussion out of the realm of the absurd. - SOELegal

12-21-2004, 05:33 AM	#1
TheKra Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1	Ever since the recent downtime on Friday the two dot spells Freezing Whorl and Steal Breath are no longer stacking. You can cast Incinerate and Freezing Whorl or Incinerate and Steal Breath but not Freezing Whorl and Steal Breath together or all 3 together anymore. The icon shows up in the maintained spell box but there is no damage being reported in chat text. This has to be a bug because it would be completely ridiculous if it was intended. The 2 spells are not of the same type of elemental damage or offer the same debuffs so they should be able to stack fine and have been stacking fine up until Saturday. I have tried it out on several different mobs that it worked fine on before the downtime and it has nothing to do with resists or anything like that. SOE please look into this as soon as possible. thanks Xander 33 Warlock Kithicor

12-21-2004, 07:34 PM	#2
Loath Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 7	yeap, posted on this. Definitely messed up.

12-21-2004, 08:11 PM	#3
Naren General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 18	stacking fine for me

12-21-2004, 08:58 PM	#5
Solan Swiftfist Loremaster Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 46	Narenek, I bet it isn't stacking. Both icons show up but ONLY one damage will show. I talked several Warlocks about this last night and it all happend to them so you can't be the only one working. Message Edited by Solan Swiftfist on 12-21-2004 07:59 AM

12-21-2004, 11:16 PM	#6
WabbitHunt Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 29	No, they don't stack. I got Steel breath last night and added it as my third dot. Whorl, Incinerate, and then SB. As the ticks go by from round 2 (because round 1, sure each spell will hit) and on, only Incinerate and SB tick. Whorl has been overwritten. Sucks...But hey, brite side -> SB does 50+ a tick. /drool

12-22-2004, 01:21 AM	#8
WabbitHunt Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 29	Good find. I can live with Moorgard's answer for the time being.

12-22-2004, 05:58 PM	#11
Naren General Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 18	yeah i noticed last night, icons are stacking but the damage isnt. The debuff part still appears to be working though as i tend to get higher nukes with it on than off.. might be why the icon still appears