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07-30-2006, 01:25 PM
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Here's our labs zone parse today.... Allies: (57:46) 31934785 | 9213.73 [HH Illu-Fusion-20411]
And i was asked by the conj and zerker to post these rarities, first one for conj (the slavering alzid) Allies: (01:42) 1459742 | 14311.20 [HH Illu-Ice Nova-18083] 2nd one for conj (trash mob) Allies: (01:02) 864612 | 13945.35 [HH Illu-Fusion-17411]
this one for zerker (trash mob) Allies: (00:55) 683237 | 12422.49 [HH Illu-Fusion-11928] and what the hell here's one for the necro (uustalastus xiterrax) and nec used undead tide aoe's forbidden until named dropped. Allies: (01:4 one for me (single target trash) Allies: (01:03) 663360 | 10529.52 [HH Illu-Ice Nova-11931]
heres another single target trash Allies: (01:01) 666344 | 10923.67 [HH Illu-Ice Nova-15971] (3 mob trash with less than 3 groups)- we were reforming for vyemm Allies: (01:24) 683330 | 8134.88 [HH Illu-Fusion-11652]
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07-30-2006, 08:23 PM
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wish i could remember what the highest i have hit without dying was, im pretty sure it was just over 3k dps on one of the big groups of snakes (non heroic ones) in DT heh actaully my favorite is poets palace the return, can get like 9k+ in there heh
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07-30-2006, 11:43 PM
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There are some personal bests for a lot of our members. We have had moments where we were only 300 DPS away from the 15K barrier with a different raid set-up than the usual min/max guilds and our highest DPS was usually Illu with around 2-2.5+ DPS. I would say that it is possible for anyone playing a wizzy properly to obtain the 1600 mark pretty easily. As for the one poster that stated something about only being able to get 300-400 DPS as a wizzy without dying, what was your tank doing that entire time? Seriously. I play the supposed "worst" tanking class in the entire game and as long as I'm on my toes the only classes that seem to be able to peel agro from me are zerkers that go completly ape [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] on a mob as soon as I pull it. O.o Oh, and brawlers, but that's a different story in itself -_- (seen to many flame threads about those guys already =D). I guess the moral of the story is that just because someone tells you that you can't break a certian barrier DPS wise that others are doesn't mean that you can't do it persay. We have a conjy that had literally has studied his class to the point of creating excell spread sheets so that he can figure out what casting order is the most efficient to maximize his DPS during a long fight and during short fights. Find out a casting order that works for you. Experiment with it. Eventually it will come down to second nature and you'll be showing up everyone around you. Now, I do want to point out 2 things with the parses that Illusive posted here. The first part is the MT for this raid, which was myself, a SK. The fact remains that anything is possible if I can tank against a monster like Illu and the rest of my raid force going no holds bar with DPS and only sustain few casualties. =D Second, I just wanted to brag about hitting 1K DPS as a tank =D. Just wanted to brag about that one hehe.
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07-31-2006, 01:09 AM
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If I used (dps) for the raid it would be 17-22k on some fights too. Very nice getting 2650 and not dieing, i wonder how much dps you could of done if you had amends, harmonious link and synergisim on you?
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07-31-2006, 01:14 AM
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I just dont want to turn this post into a guild vs guild war or try to do anything like that.
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07-31-2006, 01:52 AM
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Message Edited by HerzenFunia on 07-31-2006 01:53 AM |
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07-31-2006, 01:53 AM
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You're spoiled because you're the best [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] wizzy that I know. And, yes, he's right, we don't turn ppl away because of class. We have learned to succed without the concept of Min/Maxing a raid with extremely positive results.
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07-31-2006, 03:24 AM
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that is the most imporant factor, This is after all a game, that your supposed to have fun playing. I think a lot of people forget that on these forums.
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07-31-2006, 08:06 PM
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Ohhh Illu, now I have my AA's respeced, I plan to make u beg for Amends.. and to catch up with Naldir at least on the crit counts... So beware... Let the Carnage begin!!!! Hakanese LvL 70 Paladin. ( A Pally without a clue) |
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07-31-2006, 08:15 PM
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I think i'll bring a repair kit or two for you
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08-01-2006, 12:51 AM
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Here we go again.
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08-01-2006, 05:38 AM
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aight aight.. kk.. imma be blunt. i parse between 800-3k dps... it depends on the situation. I'm not saying i'm consistent on 1600dps. before you qoute me on that.. i'm tossing u the range of which my dps may fall into. Look at my gear, my group setup, my raid setup and this depends on the classes that are in the raid. The more dps classes are there in my raids, the higher my dps is. A wizard alone cannot be the hero of the raid. You've seen this in your regular group exp hunts. If you run outta power, that means your group lacks dps... It's the same on raids. |
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08-01-2006, 05:43 AM
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Message Edited by Admhel on 07-31-2006 09:52 PM |
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08-01-2006, 09:53 AM
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well at least we know there are 2 honest wizards on this forum. Some fights with aoe stuns, interrupts raidwide aoes resists, we just do less dps, and that range is entirely possible depending on the situation like you said.
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08-01-2006, 07:25 PM
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ok ok.. . so aa making up alot of this dps? i am seeing 20k ice comets... thats from next spell crits? So what is ur casting order?... I hit then with iceshield dont even use sunstrike.. and use electric flash rarely... I am rairly allowed to aoe alot... on the raids. . finger pointing and turning of the mobs can be bad...
ps.. .sup with a SK as the mt? cant u give ur armor and avoid check buf to the other tank and be more usefull? |
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08-01-2006, 08:11 PM
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the SK MT that we raid with is at the mit cap, and knows what the @#$# he's doing. He also can hit 1k dps while MT'ing. so uhm yeah loose the perception that sk's dont make great mt's.
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08-01-2006, 11:00 PM
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Please, I'm hearing enough of this on the combat discussion forums. -_- I'm fed up with the myth that we're not [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn]ing tanks pal. We just have the OPTION of being a mild buff bot if necessary. A plate tank is a tank. Period.
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08-02-2006, 01:57 AM
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Please repost those parses with EXTDPS instead of the unrealistic DPS numbers. No one baselines using DPS in ACT. EXTDPS is the universal standard because DPS is inflated.Why?Situation:I step in 40 sec into the fight, cast fusion. My fight duration? 5 seconds. 20k dmg / 5 sec. I did 4k dps! Woo hoo!Reality:No I didn't. I slacked off and fired one measely nuke. If the mob died at 45 sec, I really did 444.44 dps. That's what EXTDPS would show.
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08-02-2006, 02:07 AM
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There's this SK on my server that I've grouped with a bit, only SK I've grouped with regularly too.I've been holding back lots (just doing regular nameds and such), but I found out the problem was the player not the class
 me: hmm, I seem to be getting aggro more easily than usual today.Tank: Maybe I should taunt more than just for the pull?me: .....yeah, how about we give that a try, eh?
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08-02-2006, 02:15 AM
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OMG, I almost lost my soda when I read that post. Thanks for the laugh. If I seem a bit offensive I appologize, but I've delt with the myth that we're the worst tanking class in the game for too long now. I've tried to at least open up the eyes of those around me that we're fine as a tank if you know how to play the class, but I'm constantly flamed on the boards any time I mention SK and tank in the same sentence. -_- I honestly wish that SoE would give SK's half the tools that the other tanking classes utilitze so that those of us who ARE fine with our hate gain could show everyone else how [expletive haxx0red by Raijinn] overpowered we would be WITH the tools other tanks have. =/
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08-02-2006, 02:27 AM
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the raid's dps figure is posted in ext dps, and the damage total is also listed and sorted by total damage, thus someone who does a fusion 5 seconds at the end of the fight might have a high dps figure but hes going to be at the bottom of the damage parse because of total damage. Just because you dont approve of the plethora of information provided to you doesn't mean its any less usefull to the rest of us. 1. personal dps gives an idea of what a classes potential is, and helps to stop overzealous dps people from dps'ing before the dps call to try to look good in ext dps on a raid parse. 2. ext raid dps is good to see (instead of just dps) because you can see how long it took the raid to kill x mob doing x dps. 3. sorting by personal damage(not dps) is also good to see how much total damage a player has done to the raid mob and at what dps they did it. 4. a parser is a tool, its not designed to enlarge an "3-[Removed for Content]", if your looking for that I dont know how to help you Message Edited by IllusiveThoughts on 08-01-2006 03:28 PM
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08-02-2006, 09:24 AM
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yes a parser is a tool I take the information as it is. . damage, ext dps or dps. . .so no big... and as the shadow thing. . .I just was wondering if it was the fact they dot and dpsed... and well if it did not work out u can allways just fd. . .right? Hum I was think the pally might be intresting. . with a agro transfer on the sk? with dirge hate mod.. .hum would increase and transfer? ok well i am around 600dps 1m.30s fight no trub no iliu .. .mainly one mob at a time and a slow build up.. using pet and ice shield and cease as often as i can.. sometimes agro from the main mob got the better of us dpsers, the tank only had dirge. and whoot got my first 18000 ice nova... nice... but no wer near the 1600dps even a good ways away from there .. . anyone else wanta post ther dsp for solo attackin... raid mobs? |
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08-02-2006, 04:39 PM
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Whenever I raid I have none of the support classes that everyone else seems to have (i.e. no troub, no chanter, at best it's a Pally and a Dirge for hate control), and I only have 40 AAs (Maxed out Brainstorm and Freehand, now working on Agi line) and I can generally stick around 1000 dps, up to 1200 on AE encounters. I can't Fusion more than one mob or I just die instantly, so that's far from satisfying, and sort of limits the dps a bit. One time I did have a troub I peaked at about 1450, there was no Pally there though so it still wasn't ideal.Then again, I'm nowhere near as experienced at raiding as everyone else in this thread seems to be, I only raid twice a week tops and one of them tends to be a pickup 
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08-02-2006, 04:50 PM
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Going by another wizards parse is not going to help you much. Its good for one thing, a general idea of what that wizard did during his fight on that mob. There are way to many things to take into consideration. Group make up, spell quality, casting sequence, AA makeup, type of mob, gear, etc. Like Rumil posted, I can do from 800 to 3K dps on a fight depending on the situation. Even lower then that on some trash mobs in a raid, only thing I can get off is Sunstrike before they die. We are like one of our own nukes, we have min/maxes we can reach on different fights. The best thing a wizard can do is download ACT, run it during a raid and start trying out different things. Then, stick with the one that produces the best results for your play style.
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08-02-2006, 05:01 PM
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It's good for seeing where other Wizards are in comparison to the classes they raid with, even given the amount of varibles present.
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08-02-2006, 05:17 PM
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You can accomplish that by running your own ACT. Dont need another wizards parse, compare it with your own. If the other wizard isnt in your raid, like I said, just to much to take into account to help you much, imo. Except maybe a number to shoot for if you are not reaching the posted amount of DPS. Message Edited by Silentstalk on 08-02-2006 06:20 AM Message Edited by Silentstalk on 08-02-2006 06:33 AM
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08-02-2006, 07:14 PM
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I run act. . and i merge the info.. . so we see damage thats not on line with some other wizy, we then ask "hay how u do it?" I have no problem with onthers parse.. I would like to see the spell they cast and the order tho.. for me with max int in any group, i think it is aa and group buffers. but then again i am using deagros alot and very little aoes but still sometimes things get the best of me...
so please show me the parses... but tell the spells u used and who was buffin u...
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08-02-2006, 08:01 PM
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I gave useful information. Run your ACT during your raids, try different spell orders until you hit the best. Doing the same thing over and over but expecting different results isnt going to help you learn the class. And thats what it boils down to. Knowing what to cast and when on raids is part of learning the class. And raid set up will change your casting order every time. You are asking for one wizards group/spell set up because he posted a parse with DPS you have yet to reach. You will need to ask for his MT group setup as well. Oh, dont forget to ask him to list his master 1 spells, gear he was wearing for that raid, if he cast that nuke during a dispatch. Poor guy will miss a raid by the time he is done with his post. Just get the best gear you can, upgrade your spells when you can and do your best. Im in no way trying to shoot you down for asking questions, Im just trying to incourage you to find your own path, its part of the fun of this game.
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08-02-2006, 11:34 PM
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as for telling someone to upgrade when they have masters mainly, ad3 and can cap int solo, i dont know what to say.. purhaps someone did not notice them in the message, sometime the text blends together...
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08-03-2006, 01:11 AM
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Going to be blunt here then Im done with the subject. Those masters who have, not the only spells we use. Also, I already know how much extra dps we can do with certain group set ups, different AA lines, different caster orders, etc. And I did it all by my little self. Please try and understand where Im comming from on my posts. You seem to be missing my point. Test things yourself. You, yourself, test all those things you mentioned during your raids. Once you find the one that produces the most DPS during your raids, stick with in and you win EQ2!
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